Hi All,

I read postings in this group with some delay (I'm so busy guy, yeah, yeah
:-) so I'm answering now on subject mentioned some time before (I scanned
follow-ups and found no ultimate answer; if there was one, however, don't be
mad at me). The hint that works: place space before the closing </P> tag.
Works pretty well for NS (IE doesn't need it), also with CSS. Hope it helps.

Regards
Przemek Jackowski

Hi HTMLers,

When reading articles about XML, many of them mention that there are XML
editors.  Does anyone know what they mean by this?  I know, for example,
while working in NoteTabPro, one can do a "Save File As" and save the file
as ".html, .htm, ...".  Is what they are implying, by speaking of an XML
editor, having the ability to save the file as ".xml, .xsl, etc."?

Eric and/or Jody, is it in the plans for NTP to include this capability?  I
know that I can write XML code in NTP.  Is it possible, now, to save this
type file as an XML file in NTP?

Regards,

Wayland Fowler
Software Engineer (and all around nice guy!)
(281) 280-4446

Hi Wayland,

Try Modify | Change HTML Tags | To xhtml and see if that is what
you are looking for.

>When reading articles about XML, many of them mention that there
>are XML editors.  Does anyone know what they mean by this?  I
>know, for example, while working in NoteTabPro, one can do a
>"Save File As" and save the file as ".html, .htm, ...".  Is what
>they are implying, by speaking of an XML editor, having the
>ability to save the file as ".xml, .xsl, etc."?
>
>Eric and/or Jody, is it in the plans for NTP to include this
>capability?  I know that I can write XML code in NTP.  Is it
>possible, now, to save this type file as an XML file in NTP?


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Wayland_B_Fowler@... wrote:
> When reading articles about XML, many of them mention that there are XML
> editors.  Does anyone know what they mean by this?  I know, for example,
> while working in NoteTabPro, one can do a "Save File As" and save the file
> as ".html, .htm, ...".  Is what they are implying, by speaking of an XML
> editor, having the ability to save the file as ".xml, .xsl, etc."?

Usually when they say "XML editor", they mean an editor that has syntax
highlighting for XML and maybe some debugging features. It's more than
being able to save as .xml, notepad can do that! Somebody has probably
written a clip for NoteTab that supports XML, but the syntax
highlighting won't be as good as a specific "XML editor". Not to knock
NoteTab or anything....

Emmett Hawkins

Can anyone tell me what command line options are sent to TIDY when the command
is invoked from the NOTETAB PRO menu?

I've just discovered TIDYGUI and the new (August 2000) version of TIDY and now
am thinking about playing with it/them on some WORD generated files that I have.

Greg

I just opened an XML file in NoteTab Pro and it does color coding the same way
as if it were HTML. In essence it colors tags and comments. Since XML and HTML
tags are similar, NoteTab seems capable of handling them both.

NoteTab makes a good XML editor since XML documents are essentially only ASCII
text files. It does lack built in tools for validating and parsing XML, but
there are plenty of stand alone tools to do this already, and most of them are
free. NoteTab can usually be made to work in conjunction with these extra tools.

There are clip libraries (check the NoteTab site) for doing XML, XSLT, XHTML,
XHTML CSS. I haven't seen any for XSL yet.

There are several types of tools one can use in creating XML documents. There
are tools for checking the document integrity (validators). NoteTab can be used
to activate these stand alone tools.

There are tools for parsing XML (displaying XML in a meaningful way). IE5 has
some basic capabilities for doing this.

There are tools for coding XML documents. XML SPY is one good example. It has
buttons you can click to insert all sorts of XML elements and tags into your
document. Some of these tools are graphical, others are text based. XML SPY is
graphical, Microsoft XML Notepad is too. NoteTab on the other hand is text
based, but CLIPS and ClipBars can add a lot of graphical capabilities like icons
and dialog boxes (wizards) to your work environment to facilitate things.
NoteTab gives you unlimited capabilities for customization in this area. Most
other XML editors are not as generous and some cannot be customized at all (MS
XML Notepad).

Then there are tools which go beyond XML coding. What I'm referring to are
things like search and replace tools, code colouring, scripting, automation etc.
NoteTab is one of the most powerful editors (for any file format) in this
regard.

NoteTab has a built in Regex. This feature alone is worth 10 times the present
price for NoteTab Pro. A Regex tool can literally save you hundreds of hours of
repetitive and mind numbing work, which can translate into thousands of $$$ in
savings.

NoteTab has the CLIP scripting language. There is no end to how much work CLIPS
can do for you. I'll use one example from my work. I manage a large glossary of
XML terms. It's built as a NoteTab Outline file. I once converted that file to
HTML manually. It took me an entire week of mind numbing work. With a CLIP (or
NoteTab's built in HTML converter) I can convert that entire glossary to fully
formatted and linked HTML (with over 500 cross links and a full table of
contents), in mere SECONDS!! Not weeks, days, hours or minutes, but SECONDS!!

If you think that's powerful, hold on. NoteTab can also link to the PERL
interpreter and others. PERL scripting is vastly more powerful than CLIPS can
ever be.

CLIPS and other scripting tools can also be used to automate a lot of repetitive
and time consuming tasks such updating folders full of files, generating reports
and much more.

Hope this helps.

Bryan




Red Leader wrote:
>
> Wayland_B_Fowler@... wrote:
> > When reading articles about XML, many of them mention that there are XML
> > editors.  Does anyone know what they mean by this?  I know, for example,
> > while working in NoteTabPro, one can do a "Save File As" and save the file
> > as ".html, .htm, ...".  Is what they are implying, by speaking of an XML
> > editor, having the ability to save the file as ".xml, .xsl, etc."?

Jody, Emmett, Brian,

I thank you all for your replies.

I just recently started learning and using HTML for some local intranet
pages (rather simple stuff at that).  The HTML language does not seem too
difficult.  Because I am the only one in my group to even attempt that, I
have been given the task of learning XML for interfacing with a database
tool to customize/improve its reporting capabilities.  This database tool
uses forms (customized by us) for entering data, although it will not
"pretty print" the forms, only the data.  So my task, also, includes
retrieving data from the database tool and presenting in an MSIE5.5 browser
to look like the tool's form, then it can be printed.

I can see that I have my work cut out, learning more of the nuances of
HTML, learning XML, learning more about NoteTabPro (I'm relatively new to
NTP), learning more about Clips (how to write and incorporate them).  I am
more than confident about NTP's capabilities, just need to learn more about
it.  Practice, practice, practice.

Brian, you seem to already have XML experience, may I send you an
occasional question?

Thanks, you guys for your input.

Regards,

Wayland Fowler
Software Engineer (and all around nice guy!)
(281) 280-4446

Hi Wayland,

I have a good example of a Clip library that handles XML files. Software
developers now have a new standard for publishing descriptions of their
products. This standard has the acronym PAD and it is stored in the form of
a plain XML file. Take a look at the following page to see what NoteTab is
capable of doing with these PAD files:

     http://www.notetab.com/pad/

Regards,
Eric Fookes
-----------
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    http://www.notetab.com  and  http://www.notetab.ch








...

> I just recently started learning and using HTML for some local intranet
> pages (rather simple stuff at that).  The HTML language does not seem too
> difficult.  Because I am the only one in my group to even attempt that, I
> have been given the task of learning XML for interfacing with a database
> tool to customize/improve its reporting capabilities.  This database tool
> uses forms (customized by us) for entering data, although it will not
> "pretty print" the forms, only the data.  So my task, also, includes
> retrieving data from the database tool and presenting in an
> MSIE5.5 browser
> to look like the tool's form, then it can be printed.

Does this database tool return XML. If so just send an abbreviated example.

Some thoughts on using xml with notetab

on learning html with xml in mind.
Learn xhtml instead of html and stick to the strict dtd.
In doing so you will understand the concepts of well formedness and
validation and the separation of structure from presentation which are also
important concepts in xml.
Learn JavaScript and how to use the DOM (DocumentObjectModel.)

On using notetab with xml.
If you are working in a m$oft environment you need to learn how to
instantiate com objects in a suitable host for the ms xml parser is a com
object.
The HOSTS
a)  wsh  as a client can instantiate COM objects
b) ie5 as gui client can instantiate COM objects
c)  iis5 as a server  can instantiate COM objects

a)WSH
Using the WSH and notetab you can instantiate the ms xml parser(var doc =
new ActiveXObject("microsoft.xmldom"). Load a local xml file
then use dom methods to extract data from the file or directly manipulate it
and then send any results back to Notetab with^$GetOutput()$
You can also use the same methods to work with xml files on the web.  How
this is done was posted recently. see my post. RE: Re[2]: [NH] Opera and
objectDetection

b) ie5.
If you are working with an intranet  which uses ie5 browsers then you can do
the same sort of thing for  the ie5 browser can host COM objects. Although
you can use Data islands in ie I prefer to use a simular method as outlined
above in a script block.
var doc = new ActiveXObject("microsoft.xmldom"
doc.load('xmlfile.xml')
/*...use dom methods ....*/


c) iis5 or iis4
with asp jscript script block
var doc = Server.CreateObject("Microsoft.XMLDOM");
doc.load(Server.MapPath("xmlfile.xml"));

Of course you need to have a iis5 server installed on your system to test
this. If you have w2k this is on disk as an install option otherwise
download the nt4 option pack.
The latest version of notetab enables you to preview your pages through a
server. (great stuff)
options/preview server side and set your path to the server here.

The best way to learn about this stuff is by downloading the ms xml sdk
available at.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/xml/default.asp

This feels as if it should be straightforward, but I can't manage it ...

I want to refer to a web page (called, say, tomorrow.htm) from a number
of other pages so that the contents of tomorrow.htm are incorporated
seamlessly in the page which is calling it ... in other words I don't
want just to link to tomorrow.htm.

From its description in the HTML Reference Library, the <EMBED> tag
should do this.  (Quote:  "The <EMBED> element will allow you to embed
documents, or objects of any type.")   But IE5.5 is apparently ignoring
this instruction:

<EMBED SRC="tomorrow.htm">
</EMBED>

The URL for tomorrow.htm works perfectly well in a standard hyperlink.
How do I get the result I want?  Hints and comments would be much
appreciated. -- D+

Hi David,

you wrote:
>I want to refer to a web page (called, say, tomorrow.htm) from a number
>of other pages so that the contents of tomorrow.htm are incorporated
>seamlessly in the page which is calling it ... in other words I don't
>want just to link to tomorrow.htm.
>
> From its description in the HTML Reference Library, the <EMBED> tag
>should do this.  (Quote:  "The <EMBED> element will allow you to embed
>documents, or objects of any type.")   But IE5.5 is apparently ignoring
>this instruction:
>
><EMBED SRC="tomorrow.htm">
></EMBED>
>
>The URL for tomorrow.htm works perfectly well in a standard hyperlink.
>How do I get the result I want?  Hints and comments would be much
>appreciated. -- D+

I'm afraid that you misunderstand the purpose of EMBED. It is not to embed
html files, but 'objects'. That is, sound, video, java...
Example: <EMBED src="tralalala.wav"></EMBED>.

Depending on exactly what you want to do, you could use either Frames or
SSI (and some other luanguages). If your only concern is IE you can have a
floating Frame, <IFRAME>. If your host supports SSI you can truly embed
content with the include Directive. Some info concerning that can be found
here: http://www.bignosebird.com/sdocs/include.shtml

There is probably as third, really simple way to do it ...But the above is
what strikes me. Hope you get it to work!

Lotta

Thanks, Lotta, that's a very helpful suggestion ... Frames will do just
what I want, and I can even add a link to the inserted material within
<NOFRAMES> for extra insurance.

If that third "really simple" way occurs to anyone, please let us know -
it could be handy in other circumstances.

D+

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lotta" <loro@...>
To: <ntb-html@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NH] Embedding ... or is it?


Hi David,

you wrote:
>I want to refer to a web page (called, say, tomorrow.htm) from a number
>of other pages so that the contents of tomorrow.htm are incorporated
>seamlessly in the page which is calling it ... in other words I don't
>want just to link to tomorrow.htm.
>
> From its description in the HTML Reference Library, the <EMBED> tag
>should do this.  (Quote:  "The <EMBED> element will allow you to embed
>documents, or objects of any type.")   But IE5.5 is apparently ignoring
>this instruction:
>
><EMBED SRC="tomorrow.htm">
></EMBED>
>
>The URL for tomorrow.htm works perfectly well in a standard hyperlink.
>How do I get the result I want?  Hints and comments would be much
>appreciated. -- D+

I'm afraid that you misunderstand the purpose of EMBED. It is not to
embed
html files, but 'objects'. That is, sound, video, java...
Example: <EMBED src="tralalala.wav"></EMBED>.

Depending on exactly what you want to do, you could use either Frames or
SSI (and some other luanguages). If your only concern is IE you can have
a
floating Frame, <IFRAME>. If your host supports SSI you can truly embed
content with the include Directive. Some info concerning that can be
found
here: http://www.bignosebird.com/sdocs/include.shtml

There is probably as third, really simple way to do it ...But the above
is
what strikes me. Hope you get it to work!

Lotta

I've just got round to revisiting the HTML Tidy site and picked up the latest
version.  That led on to me realising that I should now be creating my new
material in XHTML 1.0 rather than HTML 4.0.

I'm still using NoteTab Pro v4.2/np and its libraries all have upper case tags
and various dialogues include HTML 4.0 deprecated attributes.  I know I could
re-write them all, but why re-invent the wheel.

Does v4.3 do a better job or has anyone out there got a set of libraries and
toolbar buttons set up for XHTML 1.0?  Links please?

Greg

Hi,

Greg wrote:
>Does v4.3 do a better job or has anyone out there got a set of libraries and
>toolbar buttons set up for XHTML 1.0?  Links please?

There is one written by Grant at
http://www.notetab.com/html.htm   -->  HTML Tags | xhtml.zip

Lotta

Hi Greg,

> upper case tags

in "View > Options > HTML Files" you may turn off uppercase tags.

Gerd



----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Chapman" <greg@...>
To: "NoteTab HTML List" <ntb-html@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 3:44 PM
Subject: [NH] XHTML support


> I've just got round to revisiting the HTML Tidy site and picked up the latest
> version.  That led on to me realising that I should now be creating my new
> material in XHTML 1.0 rather than HTML 4.0.
>
> I'm still using NoteTab Pro v4.2/np and its libraries all have upper case
tags
> and various dialogues include HTML 4.0 deprecated attributes.  I know I could
> re-write them all, but why re-invent the wheel.
>
> Does v4.3 do a better job or has anyone out there got a set of libraries and
> toolbar buttons set up for XHTML 1.0?  Links please?
>
> Greg
>
>
>

Hi Greg,

>I'm still using NoteTab Pro v4.2/np and its libraries all have
>upper case tags and various dialogues include HTML 4.0 deprecated
>attributes.  I know I could re-write them all, but why re-invent
>the wheel.

Look in Options under HTML Files and see if create XHTML files is
what you want.  When you click on it Create tags in uppercase
will become unchecked.

>Does v4.3 do a better job or has anyone out there got a set of
>libraries and toolbar buttons set up for XHTML 1.0?  Links
>please?

No work has been done in that area.  Here is the link, but it
will time out in 14 days:

http://www.notetab.ch/temp/ntp483b3.zip

Happy HTML'n!
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Hi Greg,

>Can anyone tell me what command line options are sent to TIDY
>when the command is invoked from the NOTETAB PRO menu?

I can't tell you, but maybe Eric will get a chance to reply.  He
is busy trying to get the different versions (for different types
of downloads) of MailBag Assistant ready.


Happy HTML'n!
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Hi, all,
I was recently trying to do something similiar for a help menu for a small
site.  Here is what I found out (I'll omit my cussin')
<embed></embed> Is supposed to work with  anything but html pages.  However
support for this stinks.  The official replacement for <embed></embed> is
<object></object> which supposedly will embed anything, but  of course almost
all older browsers than about six months old do not support it, and even those
don't necessarily do things as expected.
<iframe></iframe> is an embedding element specifically for html documents and
works well, I think in Netscape 5+ and Explorer 3+ or so, but not for Opera
(which I don't have, but am reading a good book.)
For Netscape you can use the <layer></layer> element to embed another html
document.
It all depends on how inclusive or exclusive you want to make your final
product.
Trying to be the most inclusive possible, I came up with this skeleton
document:

<html>
      <head>
      </head>
      <body>
      Page content.
           <!-- In Netscape 3+ browsers, you can access
                HTML documents using the src attribute
                of the layer element. -->
           <layer src="layersrc.html">
           <!-- Anything in the nolayer element will be
                skipped by Netscape 5 as well as
                earlier versions of Netscape.  Even
                though Netscape 5 recognizes the iframe
                element, placing it inside the nolayer
                element keeps you from viewing
                redundant content. -->
                <nolayer>
                     <!-- All the modern browsers,
                          including, hopefully, new releases
                          of Opera will be able to display
                          iframe content. -->
                     <iframe src="layersrc.html" />
                          <!-- And just in case up and
                               coming browsers will not be
                               able to display the iframe content,
                               and to include anybody who is using
                               Lynx or Netscape 2 or IE 2 or some
                               browser I've never heard of. -->
                          <noiframe>
                               Please check out
                               <a href="alternateorthesamelayersrc.html">this
                               page</a> to see your missed
                               content, as your browser is
                               supporting neither inline
                               frames nor layers, and I'd
                               hate for you to miss out on
                               it.
                          </noiframe>
                </nolayer>
           </layer>
      </body>
</html>

Both the layer elements and iframe elements can take height and width
attributes.  If you don't specify them the browser will decide for you, and
you might not like the choice.  Iframe always has scrollbars unless you ask it
not to have them, and this might detract from your seamlessness. I think I've
just about run dry.
I imagine server side includes would be simpler to implement, but I don't have
a lot of experience with them.  In Netscape, there are a couple more ways I
found to embed html documents using DHTML, but IE did not support them very
well.
And yes, like Lotta said, there's probably more. . .
What I eventually did was us DHTML to display help content on a small div
element which functioned as a layer accesible to both Netscape and I.E.  The
whole site was geared toward DHTML, after all, I'm proud of whatever I can do,
but I tried to do it in such a way that  older browsers just would not see
they were missing anything after all I don't want to insult anyone in their
choice of browsers.
Good luck,
Stephen

>
> I'm still using NoteTab Pro v4.2/np and its libraries all have upper case tags
> and various dialogues include HTML 4.0 deprecated attributes.  I know I could
> re-write them all, but why re-invent the wheel.
>
> Does v4.3 do a better job or has anyone out there got a set of libraries and
> toolbar buttons set up for XHTML 1.0?  Links please?
>
>

Two things to help you, both easy.
My new version of NoteTab Pro (4.82), under the Modify drop down menu can change
everything to xhtml including the ending slashes on img and br, etc. tags. :
Modify|Change HTML tags|To XHTML.
If you have a tidy config file, there is a switch " output-xhtml: yes" which
will,
change the HTML 4.0 tags to good and proper xhtml.
I am not worried too much about the deprecated attributes in existing documents
as
I tend to declare everything transitional.
Good luck
Stephen

>  Here is what I found out (I'll omit my cussin') ...

Thanks for all that, Stephen.  Seems there are few paths that a helpful
person has not trodden already, cussin' as necessary.

>  <embed></embed> Is supposed to work
>   with anything but html pages

In that case the HTML Reference Library is definitely misleading when it
says:  "The <EMBED> element will allow you to embed documents, or
objects of any type."  I even tried it with a plain .TXT file, since
text was all I was trying to insert.  Nothing doing.  (That was before
Lotta's suggestion of using frames.)

My own description of <EMBED> would be as follows:  "The function of the
<EMBED> element is to bring up a message telling you about yet another
plugin you don't have on your system and are probably better off
without."

D+

Hello,

Stephen wrote:
>Trying to be the most inclusive possible, I came up with this skeleton
>document:


Ha ha! That was good!

Just wanted to add that IFRAME is not supported by NN 4.5 and as Stephen
said Opera does not support it. BTW I didn't know it is now included in the
standard. That should mean that Opera will support it ASP (as much as they
brag about supporting the standard they have to.)

Object is supposed to embed HTML files as well (and does in IE and Opera).
See the w3c link below.

It is also supposed to substitute <IMG> (and does in Opera or if you use IE
and like your pics with scroll bars. Does not in NN4.5).

For sound I guess EMBED (maybe backed up with bgsound) is the best choice
even if non standard. IS there a standard for background sound?


It's a wonderful world!

Lotta

Objects, Images, and Applets in HTML documents:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html

OBJECT - Embedded Object:
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/object.html

Does your web host support Server Side Includes? (SSI) I would find out
as I think this is exactly what you're looking for. You can include
html, text, whatever and of course it works with all browsers as
everything is done on the server. The page extensions will be .shtml
instead of .html. Basically you can write a skeleton page and put
<!--#include file="includefile.htm" --> and the page that the server
sends out will insert the text or html file where you told it to. Check
out
http://www.bignosebird.com/ssi.shtml
It does put some extra processing load on the server of course, which is
why some hosts don't support it.

---
Emmett Hawkins

10/10/00 02:05:02

What puzzles me, with a thousand and one web pages under my belt, and a few
billion
by others around the world, is that if XHTML with /> tags etc and lower case was
to
become compulsory, most web pages in the world would cease to work. As this
isn't
going to happen, a great many people will continue to use even HTML 3.2 and
without
declaring a "transitional" or otherwise tag. So I move to a mix of HTML 4, HTML
3.2 and
now this XHTML (so called "well formed HTML") and use Note Tab accordingly, now,
but I hardly think this is going to make that much difference otherwise the web
would
shrink by 99%.

I use HTML 4 and style sheets because it allows better formatting. With Print
Preview in
Internet Explorer I'm even printing work directly out from HTML files because of
the style
sheets in my teacher training work, as well as putting these on my website.

Incidentally, off topic, the installation of Internet Explorer 5.5 has given me
greyed out
DUN password hell.

Adrian Worsfold

web: http://www.pluralist.co.uk
email: adrian@...

Hey All,

A similar functionality can be gained with PHP. I am just now getting up to
some semblance of speed with it. I just bought the book, "PHP Fast & Easy
Web Development, by Julie C. Meloni, Pub. Prima Tech (CD with PHP, MySQL,
Apache for Win & Linux included). I found her web site
[http://www.thickbook.com] a couple months ago, and she gave the clearest,
simplest explanation of how to get PHP, MySQL, and Apache to talk to each
other. My PC is Win95, but the web site is hosted on Unix, since it is
cheaper. The examples she gives in the book are real-world applications
that can easily be modified to suit a variety of needs.

I do not normally get excited about computer books, but this one is simple
enough for total beginners, but has enough real examples to help the more
advanced learn something.
Sort of like what my calculus book never had in college, a complicated
enough example to help you figure out the problem that only the math lovers
ever got right. ;-)

If you have a web host that has PHP, it is simple enough for the beginner
to put to use. I look forward to being able to have truly browser neutral
pages, without spending all my time coding pages.

Another thing that might do what is discussed previously in this thread is
XML, something Grant has shared a lot of. (PHP and other server-side
languages can format pages for XML purposes, another thing I look forward
to figuring out, since it allows for easy communication of various data
formats.

HTH,


Lawrence M. (Larry) Hamilton, Jr.
Webmaster Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc.
webmaster@...
http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/

Thanks Jody and others.....

> >I'm still using NoteTab Pro v4.2/np

That should have read v4.82/np, of course!

> Look in Options under HTML Files and see if create XHTML files is
> what you want.

Dooh!
Who's the dummy then?

> > has anyone out there got a set of libraries and
> > toolbar buttons set up for XHTML 1.0?

> There is one written by Grant at
> http://www.notetab.com/html.htm   -->  HTML Tags | xhtml.zip

Turns out I may not need it!  But I'll have a look later.

Thanks again, Trusty Listers!

Greg

At 07:24 AM 10/9/00 +0000, you wrote:
>  I want to refer to a web page (called, say, tomorrow.htm) from a number
>of other pages so that the contents of tomorrow.htm are incorporated
>seamlessly in the page which is calling it ... in other words I don't
>want just to link to tomorrow.htm.

The 'easy' way is Server Side Includes, aka SSI; you must of course be
running (or hosted on) a server that supports them. Personal Web Server
(PWS) for windows folks (comes with Front Page; can be downloaded from
Microsoft) can be used to test the effect.

Check these links for the scoop:
http://bignosebird.com/ssi.shtml
http://bignosebird.com/sdocs/include.shtml

Regards
Lynne Pitts

Hi Stephen,

> Two things to help you, both easy.
> My new version of NoteTab Pro (4.82), under the Modify drop down menu
> can change
> everything to xhtml including the ending slashes on img and br, etc. tags. :
> Modify|Change HTML tags|To XHTML.

Another  Dooh!   Why can't I RTFM!

> If you have a tidy config file, there is a switch " output-xhtml:
> yes" which will, change the HTML 4.0 tags to good and proper xhtml.

Mmm!  hadn't thought of that.  I normally just call HTML TIDY with CTRL-F7 and
let it do its own thing (which is why I asked recently about the command line
used).  It hadn't occurred to me that I might be able to create a config file
and get NoteTab to call tidy in the way I want (like using the WORD2000 option
on some of the files my students generated in WORD97).

> I am not worried too much about the deprecated attributes in existing
> documents as I tend to declare everything transitional.

I just write the code and let the results of a CTRL-F7 add the DTD.  If it comes
up with a "transitional" I will look through what I've produced and make it
"strict", if I can.

I have noticed that NoteTab/TIDY doesn't seem to replace a "transitional DTD"
with a strict one.  You have to delete the DTD line and then it will then
generate a "strict" line next time you call TIDY on an appropriately altered
file.

Greg

Adrian/ Rosemary Worsfold said...

> What puzzles me, with a thousand and one web pages under my belt, and
> a few billion by others around the world, is that if XHTML with />
> tags etc and lower case was to become compulsory, most web pages in
> the world would cease to work.  As this isn't going to happen, a
> great many people will continue to use even HTML 3.2 and without
> declaring a "transitional" or otherwise tag.

True! but one of the main purposes of XHTML is to prepare from new technologies.
If people don't update their sites to the new standard, we'll all have to
continue to suffer the bug ridden bloatware that is modern software as it
struggles to cope with every long forgotten old "standard" and proprietary code.
So as I update anything I'd prefer to use the latest standard, especially when
it can be done on the fly for me by my authoring tools (NoteTab Pro, Tidy and
Top Style Lite).

> Incidentally, off topic, the installation of Internet Explorer 5.5
> has given me greyed out DUN password hell.

I've been thinking about upgrading to that on my Win98SE system.  Tell me about
it off-list, so I can consider whether it's worth the hassle.

Greg

Hi Greg,

>> What puzzles me, with a thousand and one web pages under my
>> belt, and a few billion by others around the world, is that if
>> XHTML with /tags etc and lower case was to become compulsory,
>> most web pages in the world would cease to work.

>True! but one of the main purposes of XHTML is to prepare from
>new technologies.
>If people don't update their sites to the new standard, we'll all
>have to continue to suffer the bug ridden bloatware that is
>modern software as it struggles to cope with every long forgotten
>old "standard" and proprietary code.

I prefer to wait on the new software and then when they create
the latest and greatest HTML for it and they get all the kinks
worked out - change all my code then.

Happy HTML'n!
Jody

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Greg and others,

I also am considering the upgrade.  Please continue this thread online
either on this board or on the Off Topic board.

Ray Shapp

> Incidentally, off topic, the installation of Internet Explorer 5.5
> has given me greyed out DUN password hell.

I've been thinking about upgrading to that on my Win98SE system.  Tell me
about
it off-list, so I can consider whether it's worth the hassle.