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#14337 From: "Stefan Hartmann" <harti@...>
Date: Sat Jan 1, 2005 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: H2O splitting on demand via catalysator
overunity2001
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Happy new year to all energy researchers.
Regards, Stefan.

#14338 From: JDEnterprizes@...
Date: Sun Jan 2, 2005 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: Re: H2O splitting on demand via catalysator
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Happy New Year to you also Stefan. God bless ya!

Cheers,

Jim


-----Original Message-----
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To: free-energy@yahoogroups.com; nuenergy@yahoogroups.com;
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Sweet-VTA@yahoogroups.com; greenglow@yahoogroups.com;
watercar@yahoogroups.com; Dr. Linnard Griffin <picker@...>
Sent: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:11:58 +0100
Subject: [nuenergy] Re: H2O splitting on demand via catalysator

Happy new year to all energy researchers.
Regards, Stefan.


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#14339 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 4:16 pm
Subject: The best prayer I have heard in a long time!
nuenergy_sci...
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Heavenly Father, Help us remember that the jerk who cut us off in
traffic last night is a single mother who worked nine hours that day and
is rushing home to cook dinner, help with homework, do the laundry and
spend a few precious moments with her children.

Help us to remember that the pierced, tattooed, disinterested young man
who can't make change correctly is a worried 19-year-old college
student, balancing his apprehension over final exams with his fear of
not getting his student loans for next semester.

Remind us, Lord, that the scary looking bum, begging for money in the
same spot every day is a slave to addictions that we can only imagine in
our worst nightmares.

Help us to remember that the old couple walking annoyingly slow through
the store aisles and blocking our shopping progress are savoring this
moment, knowing that, based on the biopsy report she got back last week,
this will be the last year that they go shopping together.

Heavenly Father, remind us each day that, of all the gifts you give us,
the greatest gift is love. It is not enough to share that love with
those we hold dear.
Open our hearts not to just those who are close to us, but to all
humanity. Let us be slow to judge and quick to forgive, show patience,
empathy and love.
                  Amen 

#14340 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 8:47 pm
Subject: As The World Burns
nuenergy_sci...
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     Submitted by B.A. Perreault

#14341 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Thu Jan 6, 2005 3:11 pm
Subject: First short test of ionvalves & Radiant Energy Power Generation
nuenergy_sci...
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Stefan,
 
When they were shipped each cell was generating over 1.8 volts.
I suspect that sitting weeks in customs without water has done
them some harm. They were drawing 15 ma. through an LED
before they were sent out to you. The 1.5 volts is probably their
stable point.
 
I would like to point out that the proof-of-concept is only a
demonstration of how ions in a conductive solution can be efficiently
converted into electrical current. It does not fully represent the
concept of radiant energy power generation. For this, a small amount
of naturally occurring radioactive material (N.O.R.M.) needs to be
added to the valves. When this is done and a small amount of acid or
alkaloid is added, over one kilowatt of power can be obtained from
each valve. A valve that is made to output high current by adding an
acid or alkaloid will only last for a few hours. Adding N.O.R.M. to this
cell allows it to output energy continuously, without break, for several
hundred hours, until the anode is completely used. With this type of
valve it is possible to obtain kilowatts of power. Can anyone state that
a battery can do this? The answer is no, they can not say yes in all
honesty. I believe the concept of this discovery was the power source
behind T. H. Moray's radiant energy device. Is this my "original"
discovery? Truthfully, I have to say no it is not. In fact, I have recently
unearthed documents that show that Moray was not it's original
discoverer either. So what? I don't see what the stink is that certain
people are stirring up. The bottom line is that an important method of
electrical power generation is being revived. In the process of
rediscovery I have made a monumental original discovery in regards
to certain nuclear reactions, which I will not discuss with anyone at this
time. I have openly shared my radiant energy research with everyone,
I am happy with my accomplishments, this is all that matters in the end,
isn't it?
 
The big question of the day is if and when people will get over the
paranoia of the use of N.O.R.M. in the valves. This may not happen in
my lifetime. This is shameful in my opinion.
 
I have developed practical techniques to obtain high-grade radioactive
oxides from radioactive ores, what the valves require. Chemical
processing is not necessary. My separation technique is safe and does
not fall under regulatory restrictions, at least here in the State of
New Hampshire. The wall that I now face is that I have not found a good
source of N.O.R.M. I have only obtained a bucketful of the hot rocks over
the years for my research. Many people can't seem to understand why I
have not built a high-wattage device if I really have what I claim to have
discovered (rediscovered). The plain and simple fact is that I don't have
enough material. Point me to a good source and I will be able to produce
the goods!
 
                      -B.A. Perreault
 
 
 
 
 

--- In free-energy@yahoogroups.com, "overunity2001" <harti@h...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I picked uop yeasterday the 2 ionvalves Bruce
> did send me from the customs office and did a quick test today.
>
> Without filling in any additional saltwater, I get from each cell
> around 1.5 Volts DC.
> Both cells together in series now light up a white LED with 2.75 Volts
> and 3.5 mA at the LED and the LED shines very bright.
> Each cell has a graphite rod about 20 cm long inside and
> I wonder how Bruce gets 1.5 Volts from it, when I did
> only get maximum 1.1 Volts from it without any other chemicals
> than NaCL.
>
> This is quite a nice output for such a cell.
>
> I will do now some more tests and longer duration output
> measurements.
>
> Regards, Stefan.

#14342 From: Mark Bennett <blackice@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1656
blackiceuk
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> Subject: First short test of ionvalves & Radiant Energy Power
> Generation

Hi Bruce

So a location with high radon levels would or wouldn't be a good source?

Can one gather and use radon for the valve?

M

#14343 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1656
nuenergy_sci...
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Mark,

A location  with a high radon level indicates that there
is "radium" in the ground. Where there is radium,
there is uranium. :)

                        -Bruce P.





----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Bennett" <blackice@...>
To: <nuenergy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nuenergy] Digest Number 1656


>
>> Subject: First short test of ionvalves & Radiant Energy Power
>> Generation
>
> Hi Bruce
>
> So a location with high radon levels would or wouldn't be a good source?
>
> Can one gather and use radon for the valve?
>
> M
>

#14344 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Sun Jan 9, 2005 8:31 pm
Subject: Afraid of Radiation? Low Doses are aciually Good for You!
nuenergy_sci...
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Good Day Everyone!
 
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the
Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NCR), two federal
entities charged with addressing radiation safety, hold
the view that exposure to any amount of ionizing
radiation, no matter how small, is harmful. No amount
of radioactivity can be proclaimed safe. Accordingly,
the EPA and the NCR have set extremely stringent
regulatory limits for public exposure to radiation – 15
and 100 mrem (millirem)/year respectively.
 
Along with the EPA and NRC, elected government
officials, newspaper science writers, TV reporters and
journalists, and, consequently, most Americans believe
that low doses of radiation are harmful. People have
'radiophobia' – the fear that any level of ionizing radiation,
no matter how small, is dangerous. Why? To find out
read this article...
 
 
             Submitted by B.A. Perreault

#14345 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Sun Jan 9, 2005 10:14 pm
Subject: U.S. Soldiers Flee to Canada to Avoid Service in Iraq
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#14346 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:47 am
Subject: Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get
nuenergy_sci...
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By SPECIAL TO CITIZEN-TIMES
Jan. 4, 2005 6:46 p.m.

Before we tune in to the second inauguration of President George Bush,
perhaps you should read this. When we ignore history, we are condemned
to repeat it. Oh, not here in the good ol U.S.A., you say. Never here,
the land of the free and home of the brave, the bastion of democracy for
the free world. Well, open your eyes, America. We may not relive the
human catastrophe of the Holocaust on our own soil, but were learning
how to borrow from what helped it start. Billboards in Florida extol
George Bush as Our Leader, placed by the conservative media conglomerate
Clear Channel, owner/operator of scores of TV, radio and other news
media across the country. German for leader is Fuehrer. Our conservative
government is railroading a dismantling of social programs under the
guise of economic reform, while waving the banners of domestic safety
initiatives as the best form of security for our nation. Unfortunately,
security is not closed borders, guns on every corner and limited civil
rights. We cant be secure if our roads, bridges and schools are
crumbling; if our water, air and food are dirty; if people arent healthy
because they cant pay to see their doctors; and if we must remain in the
workforce until were 70-plus years old with an average lifespan of mid-
to high 70s, what kind of American Dream retirement is that? And now we
have the Orwellian Patriot Act and the just passed 563-page Intelligence
Reform Bill (Have you read it? You authorized your conservative elected
officials to vote for it. ...) to shield us from harms way and still no
responsible economic solutions, no new jobs, no health insurance for all
Americans. We did get, however, a conservative invasion of our schools
to remind us of the apocalyptic future we have in store, as the
Revelations-reading religious right proclaims at every turn, while
generals and clergy boast that our presidents re-election was through
divine intervention (Gen. William Boykin and Rev. Pat Robertson). As
Hitler descended from the clouds in the Leni Riefenstahl propaganda film
Triumph of the Will. ... Lets top if off with a Cornell University poll
just released and reported by the Associated Press, warning that a near
majority of citizens favor restricting the civil liberties of
Muslim-Americans. Whats next, will they have to wear a red crescent on
their clothes like Jews wore their Stars of David during the Third
Reich? I know many of you reading this will think that this is merely
the alarmist ranting of a disgruntled liberal. But think again. When we
close our eyes to little things that happen around us, suddenly those
small steps along a dangerous path take us far away from where we
started. We are nearing the precipice. Our nation is evolving into
something very dangerous, and we have a responsibility to stop it. Be
afraid of those who follow these principles blindly, of those who
profess their allegiance to our leader undyingly. Those who accuse my
words of being anti-American and anti-Bush have, regrettably, succumbed
to the mass hysteria being created by a new American fascism and will be
held accountable as accomplices, just as many aging Germans bear their
guilt-by-silence still to this day.

Richard Nantelle III holds degrees in German studies from UNC-Chapel
Hill and Ohio State University. He lives in Asheville.


http://www.citizen-times.com/cache/article/editorial/73296.shtml

--
I am not complicit in the crimes of this administration


#14347 From: "rolandpj" <roland@...>
Date: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:34 am
Subject: Gustav le Bon's books?
rolandpj
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Hi all

Where can I get a copy of Gustav le Bon's books on radioactivity?

Thanks
Roland

#14348 From: William Kelly MacInnis <kellymac@...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:43 am
Subject: RE: Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get
kelly_macinnis
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Ok,
 
So that's the problem. How do we fix it? We have had four years of this the next four will likely be the last for any thing resembling democracy. what do we do?
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nu Energy Research Laboratories [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:47 PM
To: Nu Energy
Subject: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

By SPECIAL TO CITIZEN-TIMES
Jan. 4, 2005 6:46 p.m.

Before we tune in to the second inauguration of President George Bush,
perhaps you should read this. When we ignore history, we are condemned
to repeat it. Oh, not here in the good ol U.S.A., you say. Never here,
the land of the free and home of the brave, the bastion of democracy for
the free world. Well, open your eyes, America. We may not relive the
human catastrophe of the Holocaust on our own soil, but were learning
how to borrow from what helped it start. Billboards in Florida extol
George Bush as Our Leader, placed by the conservative media conglomerate
Clear Channel, owner/operator of scores of TV, radio and other news
media across the country. German for leader is Fuehrer. Our conservative
government is railroading a dismantling of social programs under the
guise of economic reform, while waving the banners of domestic safety
initiatives as the best form of security for our nation. Unfortunately,
security is not closed borders, guns on every corner and limited civil
rights. We cant be secure if our roads, bridges and schools are
crumbling; if our water, air and food are dirty; if people arent healthy
because they cant pay to see their doctors; and if we must remain in the
workforce until were 70-plus years old with an average lifespan of mid-
to high 70s, what kind of American Dream retirement is that? And now we
have the Orwellian Patriot Act and the just passed 563-page Intelligence
Reform Bill (Have you read it? You authorized your conservative elected
officials to vote for it. ...) to shield us from harms way and still no
responsible economic solutions, no new jobs, no health insurance for all
Americans. We did get, however, a conservative invasion of our schools
to remind us of the apocalyptic future we have in store, as the
Revelations-reading religious right proclaims at every turn, while
generals and clergy boast that our presidents re-election was through
divine intervention (Gen. William Boykin and Rev. Pat Robertson). As
Hitler descended from the clouds in the Leni Riefenstahl propaganda film
Triumph of the Will. ... Lets top if off with a Cornell University poll
just released and reported by the Associated Press, warning that a near
majority of citizens favor restricting the civil liberties of
Muslim-Americans. Whats next, will they have to wear a red crescent on
their clothes like Jews wore their Stars of David during the Third
Reich? I know many of you reading this will think that this is merely
the alarmist ranting of a disgruntled liberal. But think again. When we
close our eyes to little things that happen around us, suddenly those
small steps along a dangerous path take us far away from where we
started. We are nearing the precipice. Our nation is evolving into
something very dangerous, and we have a responsibility to stop it. Be
afraid of those who follow these principles blindly, of those who
profess their allegiance to our leader undyingly. Those who accuse my
words of being anti-American and anti-Bush have, regrettably, succumbed
to the mass hysteria being created by a new American fascism and will be
held accountable as accomplices, just as many aging Germans bear their
guilt-by-silence still to this day.

Richard Nantelle III holds degrees in German studies from UNC-Chapel
Hill and Ohio State University. He lives in Asheville.


http://www.citizen-times.com/cache/article/editorial/73296.shtml

--
I am not complicit in the crimes of this administration



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#14349 From: "mritcher1" <MRitcher1@...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:17 am
Subject: Good Idea
mritcher1
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#14350 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:18 am
Subject: Re: Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get
nuenergy_sci...
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Kelly,

 

My suggestion is to try to become as invisible as humanly possible

to any government agency. Get off the grid, store food, etc... Put a

plan into place for yourself to flee to Canada with your family if it

becomes necessary. I do feel that there will come a time when the

general public will wake up and this will be the time to take action to

take back what has been taken and to bring the people who have

committed acts of high treason against our Nation to justice. All that

I have been able to personally do is to warn list members, friends and

family of what is happening. I must now become silent because I fear

becoming a target. I am certain that in some respects I already am a

target. I have received some nasty e-mails because of my stand against

our tyrannical Government. With the re-election of Bush and other fascist

Government officials the world will surely react by collapsing the US

dollar. We will be lucky if we don't get nuked. All we can do now is to

wait and see what comes next and prepare for the worse.

 

                              -Bruce P.

 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

Ok,
 
So that's the problem. How do we fix it? We have had four years of this the next four will likely be the last for any thing resembling democracy. what do we do?
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nu Energy Research Laboratories [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:47 PM
To: Nu Energy
Subject: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

By SPECIAL TO CITIZEN-TIMES
Jan. 4, 2005 6:46 p.m.

Before we tune in to the second inauguration of President George Bush,
perhaps you should read this. When we ignore history, we are condemned
to repeat it. Oh, not here in the good ol U.S.A., you say. Never here,
the land of the free and home of the brave, the bastion of democracy for
the free world. Well, open your eyes, America. We may not relive the
human catastrophe of the Holocaust on our own soil, but were learning
how to borrow from what helped it start. Billboards in Florida extol
George Bush as Our Leader, placed by the conservative media conglomerate
Clear Channel, owner/operator of scores of TV, radio and other news
media across the country. German for leader is Fuehrer. Our conservative
government is railroading a dismantling of social programs under the
guise of economic reform, while waving the banners of domestic safety
initiatives as the best form of security for our nation. Unfortunately,
security is not closed borders, guns on every corner and limited civil
rights. We cant be secure if our roads, bridges and schools are
crumbling; if our water, air and food are dirty; if people arent healthy
because they cant pay to see their doctors; and if we must remain in the
workforce until were 70-plus years old with an average lifespan of mid-
to high 70s, what kind of American Dream retirement is that? And now we
have the Orwellian Patriot Act and the just passed 563-page Intelligence
Reform Bill (Have you read it? You authorized your conservative elected
officials to vote for it. ...) to shield us from harms way and still no
responsible economic solutions, no new jobs, no health insurance for all
Americans. We did get, however, a conservative invasion of our schools
to remind us of the apocalyptic future we have in store, as the
Revelations-reading religious right proclaims at every turn, while
generals and clergy boast that our presidents re-election was through
divine intervention (Gen. William Boykin and Rev. Pat Robertson). As
Hitler descended from the clouds in the Leni Riefenstahl propaganda film
Triumph of the Will. ... Lets top if off with a Cornell University poll
just released and reported by the Associated Press, warning that a near
majority of citizens favor restricting the civil liberties of
Muslim-Americans. Whats next, will they have to wear a red crescent on
their clothes like Jews wore their Stars of David during the Third
Reich? I know many of you reading this will think that this is merely
the alarmist ranting of a disgruntled liberal. But think again. When we
close our eyes to little things that happen around us, suddenly those
small steps along a dangerous path take us far away from where we
started. We are nearing the precipice. Our nation is evolving into
something very dangerous, and we have a responsibility to stop it. Be
afraid of those who follow these principles blindly, of those who
profess their allegiance to our leader undyingly. Those who accuse my
words of being anti-American and anti-Bush have, regrettably, succumbed
to the mass hysteria being created by a new American fascism and will be
held accountable as accomplices, just as many aging Germans bear their
guilt-by-silence still to this day.

Richard Nantelle III holds degrees in German studies from UNC-Chapel
Hill and Ohio State University. He lives in Asheville.


http://www.citizen-times.com/cache/article/editorial/73296.shtml


#14351 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:45 pm
Subject: Back Door Draft Alert! URGENT
nuenergy_sci...
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Hello Everyone!
 
It has just came to my attention that the Military War Machine
here in the former USA is recalling troops that have been
MEDICALLY discharged. If you or anyone now finds yourself
in being called into IRAQ I urge you to head for Canada for
refuge. The odds could be high that if you hand over your mind
and soul you will be returning home in a body bag, or worse,
crippled for life. God only knows how many American troops
are being killed and crippled in the IRAQ invasion. May our
Creator be with us in our darkest hours.
 
                              -Bruce A. Perreault

#14352 From: "wouter termote" <wouter.termote@...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:54 pm
Subject: Re: Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get
wouter.termote@...
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The solution is simple:
 
Reduce the money spent on elections and time on televisionof candidates prior to the elections.
So money given by industies, groups or countries that will harm the US for there profit can not do their thing anymore.
 
Don't forget, today the presidency is for sale in the US. The poeple controlling TV and have money decide for the next president.
 
So simple is it.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

Kelly,

 

My suggestion is to try to become as invisible as humanly possible

to any government agency. Get off the grid, store food, etc... Put a

plan into place for yourself to flee to Canada with your family if it

becomes necessary. I do feel that there will come a time when the

general public will wake up and this will be the time to take action to

take back what has been taken and to bring the people who have

committed acts of high treason against our Nation to justice. All that

I have been able to personally do is to warn list members, friends and

family of what is happening. I must now become silent because I fear

becoming a target. I am certain that in some respects I already am a

target. I have received some nasty e-mails because of my stand against

our tyrannical Government. With the re-election of Bush and other fascist

Government officials the world will surely react by collapsing the US

dollar. We will be lucky if we don't get nuked. All we can do now is to

wait and see what comes next and prepare for the worse.

 

                              -Bruce P.

 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

Ok,
 
So that's the problem. How do we fix it? We have had four years of this the next four will likely be the last for any thing resembling democracy. what do we do?
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nu Energy Research Laboratories [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:47 PM
To: Nu Energy
Subject: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

By SPECIAL TO CITIZEN-TIMES
Jan. 4, 2005 6:46 p.m.

Before we tune in to the second inauguration of President George Bush,
perhaps you should read this. When we ignore history, we are condemned
to repeat it. Oh, not here in the good ol U.S.A., you say. Never here,
the land of the free and home of the brave, the bastion of democracy for
the free world. Well, open your eyes, America. We may not relive the
human catastrophe of the Holocaust on our own soil, but were learning
how to borrow from what helped it start. Billboards in Florida extol
George Bush as Our Leader, placed by the conservative media conglomerate
Clear Channel, owner/operator of scores of TV, radio and other news
media across the country. German for leader is Fuehrer. Our conservative
government is railroading a dismantling of social programs under the
guise of economic reform, while waving the banners of domestic safety
initiatives as the best form of security for our nation. Unfortunately,
security is not closed borders, guns on every corner and limited civil
rights. We cant be secure if our roads, bridges and schools are
crumbling; if our water, air and food are dirty; if people arent healthy
because they cant pay to see their doctors; and if we must remain in the
workforce until were 70-plus years old with an average lifespan of mid-
to high 70s, what kind of American Dream retirement is that? And now we
have the Orwellian Patriot Act and the just passed 563-page Intelligence
Reform Bill (Have you read it? You authorized your conservative elected
officials to vote for it. ...) to shield us from harms way and still no
responsible economic solutions, no new jobs, no health insurance for all
Americans. We did get, however, a conservative invasion of our schools
to remind us of the apocalyptic future we have in store, as the
Revelations-reading religious right proclaims at every turn, while
generals and clergy boast that our presidents re-election was through
divine intervention (Gen. William Boykin and Rev. Pat Robertson). As
Hitler descended from the clouds in the Leni Riefenstahl propaganda film
Triumph of the Will. ... Lets top if off with a Cornell University poll
just released and reported by the Associated Press, warning that a near
majority of citizens favor restricting the civil liberties of
Muslim-Americans. Whats next, will they have to wear a red crescent on
their clothes like Jews wore their Stars of David during the Third
Reich? I know many of you reading this will think that this is merely
the alarmist ranting of a disgruntled liberal. But think again. When we
close our eyes to little things that happen around us, suddenly those
small steps along a dangerous path take us far away from where we
started. We are nearing the precipice. Our nation is evolving into
something very dangerous, and we have a responsibility to stop it. Be
afraid of those who follow these principles blindly, of those who
profess their allegiance to our leader undyingly. Those who accuse my
words of being anti-American and anti-Bush have, regrettably, succumbed
to the mass hysteria being created by a new American fascism and will be
held accountable as accomplices, just as many aging Germans bear their
guilt-by-silence still to this day.

Richard Nantelle III holds degrees in German studies from UNC-Chapel
Hill and Ohio State University. He lives in Asheville.


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#14353 From: "nuenergy_scientist" <bap@...>
Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: Good Idea
nuenergy_sci...
Send Email Send Email
 
I have ordered one for myself. The odds of us being nuked is going up
each day. This product might also help me to find the ores that I am
looking for. I'll take it to the local uranium mine and see how it
responds.

                    -Bruce P.




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>
> http://www.nukalert.com

#14354 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get
nuenergy_sci...
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Wouter,
 
How do we do this when we have no control over how
the money is spent? In fact, we the people have little
control over anything these days including our personal
lives. Get caught in the court system and you will
discover just how many rights that you don't have. Our
Beloved U.S. Constitution is now DEAD. This is a hard
realty to face. If you think that this is not true then you are
living under false hopes like I was not too long ago. It is
time now for all of us to get into survival mode.
 
                         -Bruce P.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

The solution is simple:
 
Reduce the money spent on elections and time on televisionof candidates prior to the elections.
So money given by industies, groups or countries that will harm the US for there profit can not do their thing anymore.
 
Don't forget, today the presidency is for sale in the US. The poeple controlling TV and have money decide for the next president.
 
So simple is it.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

Kelly,

 

My suggestion is to try to become as invisible as humanly possible

to any government agency. Get off the grid, store food, etc... Put a

plan into place for yourself to flee to Canada with your family if it

becomes necessary. I do feel that there will come a time when the

general public will wake up and this will be the time to take action to

take back what has been taken and to bring the people who have

committed acts of high treason against our Nation to justice. All that

I have been able to personally do is to warn list members, friends and

family of what is happening. I must now become silent because I fear

becoming a target. I am certain that in some respects I already am a

target. I have received some nasty e-mails because of my stand against

our tyrannical Government. With the re-election of Bush and other fascist

Government officials the world will surely react by collapsing the US

dollar. We will be lucky if we don't get nuked. All we can do now is to

wait and see what comes next and prepare for the worse.

 

                              -Bruce P.

 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

Ok,
 
So that's the problem. How do we fix it? We have had four years of this the next four will likely be the last for any thing resembling democracy. what do we do?
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nu Energy Research Laboratories [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:47 PM
To: Nu Energy
Subject: [nuenergy] Americans are closing their eyes and letting a new form of fascism get

By SPECIAL TO CITIZEN-TIMES
Jan. 4, 2005 6:46 p.m.

Before we tune in to the second inauguration of President George Bush,
perhaps you should read this. When we ignore history, we are condemned
to repeat it. Oh, not here in the good ol U.S.A., you say. Never here,
the land of the free and home of the brave, the bastion of democracy for
the free world. Well, open your eyes, America. We may not relive the
human catastrophe of the Holocaust on our own soil, but were learning
how to borrow from what helped it start. Billboards in Florida extol
George Bush as Our Leader, placed by the conservative media conglomerate
Clear Channel, owner/operator of scores of TV, radio and other news
media across the country. German for leader is Fuehrer. Our conservative
government is railroading a dismantling of social programs under the
guise of economic reform, while waving the banners of domestic safety
initiatives as the best form of security for our nation. Unfortunately,
security is not closed borders, guns on every corner and limited civil
rights. We cant be secure if our roads, bridges and schools are
crumbling; if our water, air and food are dirty; if people arent healthy
because they cant pay to see their doctors; and if we must remain in the
workforce until were 70-plus years old with an average lifespan of mid-
to high 70s, what kind of American Dream retirement is that? And now we
have the Orwellian Patriot Act and the just passed 563-page Intelligence
Reform Bill (Have you read it? You authorized your conservative elected
officials to vote for it. ...) to shield us from harms way and still no
responsible economic solutions, no new jobs, no health insurance for all
Americans. We did get, however, a conservative invasion of our schools
to remind us of the apocalyptic future we have in store, as the
Revelations-reading religious right proclaims at every turn, while
generals and clergy boast that our presidents re-election was through
divine intervention (Gen. William Boykin and Rev. Pat Robertson). As
Hitler descended from the clouds in the Leni Riefenstahl propaganda film
Triumph of the Will. ... Lets top if off with a Cornell University poll
just released and reported by the Associated Press, warning that a near
majority of citizens favor restricting the civil liberties of
Muslim-Americans. Whats next, will they have to wear a red crescent on
their clothes like Jews wore their Stars of David during the Third
Reich? I know many of you reading this will think that this is merely
the alarmist ranting of a disgruntled liberal. But think again. When we
close our eyes to little things that happen around us, suddenly those
small steps along a dangerous path take us far away from where we
started. We are nearing the precipice. Our nation is evolving into
something very dangerous, and we have a responsibility to stop it. Be
afraid of those who follow these principles blindly, of those who
profess their allegiance to our leader undyingly. Those who accuse my
words of being anti-American and anti-Bush have, regrettably, succumbed
to the mass hysteria being created by a new American fascism and will be
held accountable as accomplices, just as many aging Germans bear their
guilt-by-silence still to this day.

Richard Nantelle III holds degrees in German studies from UNC-Chapel
Hill and Ohio State University. He lives in Asheville.


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#14355 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:46 pm
Subject: Because of a Lie - off topic
nuenergy_sci...
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Dead because of a lie!

Dead because selfish people in government wanted a war and lied
to get one, aided by selfish people in the media.

The government and the media traded the blood of these young      
Americans for their personal gain.

 

Look at their faces.
How can you not be angry?
--
I am not complicit in the crimes of this administration




 

 

#14356 From: david williams <res03287@...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: Because of a Lie - off topic
res03287
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if only we had more control over our own goverment.

Nu Energy Research Laboratories <bap@...> wrote:
 
 
Dead because of a lie!

Dead because selfish people in government wanted a war and lied
to get one, aided by selfish people in the media.

The government and the media traded the blood of these young      
Americans for their personal gain.

 

Look at their faces.
How can you not be angry?
--
I am not complicit in the crimes of this administration




 

 


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#14357 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:59 pm
Subject: How to Avoid the Draft or National Service
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If you care Please Let any Girl or Boy 17 to 50 have this
information on how to Not Volunteer for the Draft or
National Service.

Tricking you is another way the Government Avoids that
Pesky 13th Amendment No slavery nor involuntary
servitude, Constitution Problem.

Now if only there was a "Pearl Harbor" type of event to
really pull this nation together...

    Oh wait they tried that already!!

NO DODGING... JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER...
HERE'S HOW:

I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE
"DRAFT" works. I realize that most people THINK they
know how it works, but in most cases they are in error!
AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada
will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada
and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which
could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.'

Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is
truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to
fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another
matter, I believe. ICE No need to "dodge" the ball if they're
not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand'
and refuse to VOLUNTEER!

    1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a
certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical
and mental tests...then he is classified with a number
indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all the way down to
4F(unfit for duty).

    2. Mr.A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the
military and to appear at a certain military base for that
purpose on a date specified.

    3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his
arrest will be issued.

    4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another
brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the
yellow line (painted on the floor).

    5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the
army (or whatever) to take one step forward...(Oh, oh,
THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is
done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced
into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...
thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly
swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Constitution of the United States of America and will defend
it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the
orders of the President and the officers appointed over me,
so help me God."

    6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW
CLAIM THEY WERE"DRAFTED"... they stepped forward
voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily!

    7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT
STEP FORWARD AND THEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say
something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know
what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I
AM NOT VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...
If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!"

    8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the
room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...
at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be
called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or
more military people present there as witnesses.

    9. IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the
tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge.
However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into
the military... because of the Constitutional prohibition against
"involuntary servitude"... which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER
"DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING!

One thing to say is what the cops are coached to say on the witness
stand: "Am I ordered?"

If the recruiter says No, then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter
says Yes, then "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me,
a civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question
until you get Yes or No.

If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United
States Government" then "Which clause of the Constitution gives
you, a military officer, to order me, a civilian?"

Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter says Yes,
then obviously leave. If the recruiter says No, then "Am I under
arrest? Am I your prisoner? Am I kidnapped? If I'm not free, then
what am I?" and again, keep repeating the question.

Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney."

Another thing to say is, of course, nothing at all. I think I would go
with "Am I free to go?" because if you get to Yes, then you can
leave and he would look bad ordering an arrest. If you ask the
question three times and don't get a yes or no, then "Well I must
be free to go, because I asked you three times and you won't tell
me I'm not." Then I would slowly turn around and leave, and if he
keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating the question.

    === Here's an excerpt from a book:

The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step
forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify
their induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called,
he answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony,
he went home instead of to camp. When the MP's came for him, he
went to court for a writ of habeas corpus to retain his freedom. "The
officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would
make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the
Army has no claim on me."
   
Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish
games. Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and
he was inducted before the whole group as any fool there could
plainly see." Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the
draft law required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into
a soldier. As the Army decided to have one step forward constitute
the ceremony, and Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier.
U.S. Court of Appeals, 1954

#14358 From: "Zell, Chris" <chriszell@...>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:22 pm
Subject: RE: How to Avoid the Draft or National Service
wetmtech
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Utter nonsense.  They can't bring back the draft without embracing a GAY MILITARY - and that's not going to happen.  Everybody would show up
claiming to be homosexual to avoid the draft, in numbers that would swamp the system.
 
As long as Democrats ( YES, DEMOCRATS!) are kept out of power, it's extremely unlikely we'll ever have a draft.  The Pentagon and Rumsfeld
want a trained, professional army - NOT draftees.
It is the DEMOCRATS who have repeatedly recommended a draft in Congress - in their quest for "equality".  Just check the affiliation of such bill's
co-sponsors.


From: Nu Energy Research Laboratories [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:59 PM
To: Nu Energy
Cc: tapten
Subject: [nuenergy] How to Avoid the Draft or National Service

If you care Please Let any Girl or Boy 17 to 50 have this
information on how to Not Volunteer for the Draft or
National Service.

Tricking you is another way the Government Avoids that
Pesky 13th Amendment No slavery nor involuntary
servitude, Constitution Problem.

Now if only there was a "Pearl Harbor" type of event to
really pull this nation together...

    Oh wait they tried that already!!

NO DODGING... JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER...
HERE'S HOW:

I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE
"DRAFT" works. I realize that most people THINK they
know how it works, but in most cases they are in error!
AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada
will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada
and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which
could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.'

Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is
truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to
fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another
matter, I believe. ICE No need to "dodge" the ball if they're
not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand'
and refuse to VOLUNTEER!

    1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a
certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical
and mental tests...then he is classified with a number
indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all the way down to
4F(unfit for duty).

    2. Mr.A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the
military and to appear at a certain military base for that
purpose on a date specified.

    3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his
arrest will be issued.

    4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another
brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the
yellow line (painted on the floor).

    5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the
army (or whatever) to take one step forward...(Oh, oh,
THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is
done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced
into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...
thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly
swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Constitution of the United States of America and will defend
it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the
orders of the President and the officers appointed over me,
so help me God."

    6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW
CLAIM THEY WERE"DRAFTED"... they stepped forward
voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily!

    7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT
STEP FORWARD AND THEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say
something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know
what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I
AM NOT VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...
If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!"

    8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the
room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...
at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be
called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or
more military people present there as witnesses.

    9. IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the
tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge.
However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into
the military... because of the Constitutional prohibition against
"involuntary servitude"... which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER
"DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING!

One thing to say is what the cops are coached to say on the witness
stand: "Am I ordered?"

If the recruiter says No, then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter
says Yes, then "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me,
a civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question
until you get Yes or No.

If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United
States Government" then "Which clause of the Constitution gives
you, a military officer, to order me, a civilian?"

Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter says Yes,
then obviously leave. If the recruiter says No, then "Am I under
arrest? Am I your prisoner? Am I kidnapped? If I'm not free, then
what am I?" and again, keep repeating the question.

Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney."

Another thing to say is, of course, nothing at all. I think I would go
with "Am I free to go?" because if you get to Yes, then you can
leave and he would look bad ordering an arrest. If you ask the
question three times and don't get a yes or no, then "Well I must
be free to go, because I asked you three times and you won't tell
me I'm not." Then I would slowly turn around and leave, and if he
keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating the question.

    === Here's an excerpt from a book:

The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step
forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify
their induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called,
he answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony,
he went home instead of to camp. When the MP's came for him, he
went to court for a writ of habeas corpus to retain his freedom. "The
officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would
make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the
Army has no claim on me."
   
Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish
games. Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and
he was inducted before the whole group as any fool there could
plainly see." Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the
draft law required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into
a soldier. As the Army decided to have one step forward constitute
the ceremony, and Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier.
U.S. Court of Appeals, 1954


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#14359 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:55 pm
Subject: Re: How to Avoid the Draft or National Service
nuenergy_sci...
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Chris,
 
There is already a back-door draft in place. What's this issue got
to do with either democrats or republicans? Party division is an
illusion. The majority of our "elected officials" are a bunch of rats
in the cornfield eating away at our crops.
 
                            -Bruce P.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: [nuenergy] How to Avoid the Draft or National Service

Utter nonsense.  They can't bring back the draft without embracing a GAY MILITARY - and that's not going to happen.  Everybody would show up
claiming to be homosexual to avoid the draft, in numbers that would swamp the system.
 
As long as Democrats ( YES, DEMOCRATS!) are kept out of power, it's extremely unlikely we'll ever have a draft.  The Pentagon and Rumsfeld
want a trained, professional army - NOT draftees.
It is the DEMOCRATS who have repeatedly recommended a draft in Congress - in their quest for "equality".  Just check the affiliation of such bill's
co-sponsors.


From: Nu Energy Research Laboratories [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:59 PM
To: Nu Energy
Cc: tapten
Subject: [nuenergy] How to Avoid the Draft or National Service

If you care Please Let any Girl or Boy 17 to 50 have this
information on how to Not Volunteer for the Draft or
National Service.

Tricking you is another way the Government Avoids that
Pesky 13th Amendment No slavery nor involuntary
servitude, Constitution Problem.

Now if only there was a "Pearl Harbor" type of event to
really pull this nation together...

    Oh wait they tried that already!!

NO DODGING... JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER...
HERE'S HOW:

I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE
"DRAFT" works. I realize that most people THINK they
know how it works, but in most cases they are in error!
AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada
will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada
and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which
could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.'

Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is
truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to
fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another
matter, I believe. ICE No need to "dodge" the ball if they're
not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand'
and refuse to VOLUNTEER!

    1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a
certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical
and mental tests...then he is classified with a number
indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all the way down to
4F(unfit for duty).

    2. Mr.A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the
military and to appear at a certain military base for that
purpose on a date specified.

    3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his
arrest will be issued.

    4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another
brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the
yellow line (painted on the floor).

    5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the
army (or whatever) to take one step forward...(Oh, oh,
THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is
done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced
into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...
thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly
swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Constitution of the United States of America and will defend
it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the
orders of the President and the officers appointed over me,
so help me God."

    6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW
CLAIM THEY WERE"DRAFTED"... they stepped forward
voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily!

    7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT
STEP FORWARD AND THEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say
something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know
what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I
AM NOT VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...
If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!"

    8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the
room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...
at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be
called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or
more military people present there as witnesses.

    9. IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the
tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge.
However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into
the military... because of the Constitutional prohibition against
"involuntary servitude"... which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER
"DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING!

One thing to say is what the cops are coached to say on the witness
stand: "Am I ordered?"

If the recruiter says No, then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter
says Yes, then "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me,
a civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question
until you get Yes or No.

If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United
States Government" then "Which clause of the Constitution gives
you, a military officer, to order me, a civilian?"

Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter says Yes,
then obviously leave. If the recruiter says No, then "Am I under
arrest? Am I your prisoner? Am I kidnapped? If I'm not free, then
what am I?" and again, keep repeating the question.

Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney."

Another thing to say is, of course, nothing at all. I think I would go
with "Am I free to go?" because if you get to Yes, then you can
leave and he would look bad ordering an arrest. If you ask the
question three times and don't get a yes or no, then "Well I must
be free to go, because I asked you three times and you won't tell
me I'm not." Then I would slowly turn around and leave, and if he
keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating the question.

    === Here's an excerpt from a book:

The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step
forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify
their induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called,
he answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony,
he went home instead of to camp. When the MP's came for him, he
went to court for a writ of habeas corpus to retain his freedom. "The
officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would
make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the
Army has no claim on me."
   
Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish
games. Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and
he was inducted before the whole group as any fool there could
plainly see." Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the
draft law required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into
a soldier. As the Army decided to have one step forward constitute
the ceremony, and Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier.
U.S. Court of Appeals, 1954


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#14360 From: "Merlyn" <merlyn@...>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:49 pm
Subject: Off topic - Titan
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With things here on earth as they are could this be hope? I dont know
Off topic - good news I think... if we can get there

#14361 From: Zack Widup <w9sz@...>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: Off topic - Titan
w9sz
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Yes, I have always thought that by emphasizing the space program, we could
have a higher goal to work toward than blowing each other up.

An old friend of mine who works at JPL was the person who wrote the
programming that was sent to either the Galileo or Voyager spacecraft. If
you remember, this spacecraft had its entire computer program updated from
Earth a number of years ago. To me, that was quite a technological feat.

Zack

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Merlyn wrote:

> http://www.mg.co.za/content/l3.asp?cg=BreakingNews-InternationalNews&ao=178019
>
> With things here on earth as they are could this be hope? I dont know
> Off topic - good news I think... if we can get there
>

#14362 From: "Zell, Chris" <chriszell@...>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:34 pm
Subject: RE: How to Avoid the Draft or National Service
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  It's not a two party system - we have two factions of a 'Wall Street Party', with not much difference between them.  Even with that,  the co-sponsorship
  of draft bills in Congress have consistently shown Democratic interest in bringing it back, in the name of equality.
 
 
 
 
 
 


From: Nu Energy Research Laboratories [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:56 AM
To: nuenergy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nuenergy] How to Avoid the Draft or National Service

Chris,
 
There is already a back-door draft in place. What's this issue got
to do with either democrats or republicans? Party division is an
illusion. The majority of our "elected officials" are a bunch of rats
in the cornfield eating away at our crops.
 
                            -Bruce P.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: [nuenergy] How to Avoid the Draft or National Service

Utter nonsense.  They can't bring back the draft without embracing a GAY MILITARY - and that's not going to happen.  Everybody would show up
claiming to be homosexual to avoid the draft, in numbers that would swamp the system.
 
As long as Democrats ( YES, DEMOCRATS!) are kept out of power, it's extremely unlikely we'll ever have a draft.  The Pentagon and Rumsfeld
want a trained, professional army - NOT draftees.
It is the DEMOCRATS who have repeatedly recommended a draft in Congress - in their quest for "equality".  Just check the affiliation of such bill's
co-sponsors.


From: Nu Energy Research Laboratories [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:59 PM
To: Nu Energy
Cc: tapten
Subject: [nuenergy] How to Avoid the Draft or National Service

If you care Please Let any Girl or Boy 17 to 50 have this
information on how to Not Volunteer for the Draft or
National Service.

Tricking you is another way the Government Avoids that
Pesky 13th Amendment No slavery nor involuntary
servitude, Constitution Problem.

Now if only there was a "Pearl Harbor" type of event to
really pull this nation together...

    Oh wait they tried that already!!

NO DODGING... JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER...
HERE'S HOW:

I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE
"DRAFT" works. I realize that most people THINK they
know how it works, but in most cases they are in error!
AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada
will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada
and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which
could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.'

Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is
truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to
fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another
matter, I believe. ICE No need to "dodge" the ball if they're
not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand'
and refuse to VOLUNTEER!

    1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a
certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical
and mental tests...then he is classified with a number
indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all the way down to
4F(unfit for duty).

    2. Mr.A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the
military and to appear at a certain military base for that
purpose on a date specified.

    3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his
arrest will be issued.

    4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another
brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the
yellow line (painted on the floor).

    5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the
army (or whatever) to take one step forward...(Oh, oh,
THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is
done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced
into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...
thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly
swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Constitution of the United States of America and will defend
it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the
orders of the President and the officers appointed over me,
so help me God."

    6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW
CLAIM THEY WERE"DRAFTED"... they stepped forward
voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily!

    7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT
STEP FORWARD AND THEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say
something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know
what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I
AM NOT VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...
If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!"

    8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the
room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...
at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be
called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or
more military people present there as witnesses.

    9. IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the
tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge.
However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into
the military... because of the Constitutional prohibition against
"involuntary servitude"... which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER
"DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING!

One thing to say is what the cops are coached to say on the witness
stand: "Am I ordered?"

If the recruiter says No, then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter
says Yes, then "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me,
a civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question
until you get Yes or No.

If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United
States Government" then "Which clause of the Constitution gives
you, a military officer, to order me, a civilian?"

Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter says Yes,
then obviously leave. If the recruiter says No, then "Am I under
arrest? Am I your prisoner? Am I kidnapped? If I'm not free, then
what am I?" and again, keep repeating the question.

Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney."

Another thing to say is, of course, nothing at all. I think I would go
with "Am I free to go?" because if you get to Yes, then you can
leave and he would look bad ordering an arrest. If you ask the
question three times and don't get a yes or no, then "Well I must
be free to go, because I asked you three times and you won't tell
me I'm not." Then I would slowly turn around and leave, and if he
keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating the question.

    === Here's an excerpt from a book:

The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step
forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify
their induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called,
he answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony,
he went home instead of to camp. When the MP's came for him, he
went to court for a writ of habeas corpus to retain his freedom. "The
officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would
make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the
Army has no claim on me."
   
Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish
games. Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and
he was inducted before the whole group as any fool there could
plainly see." Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the
draft law required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into
a soldier. As the Army decided to have one step forward constitute
the ceremony, and Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier.
U.S. Court of Appeals, 1954


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#14363 From: Whizard <matrix88@...>
Date: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:35 am
Subject: Nuclear batteries
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Interesting article :
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/publicfeature/sep04/0904nuc.html
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#14364 From: "Lasse p" <lars.persson@...>
Date: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:33 pm
Subject: Tesla & radium
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Hi all,
 
I just read in a lecture given by Tesla that the new vaccumtube he had perfected, the one able to recieve potentials up to and past 100 million volts, that now he could make radium or radium substitutes dirt cheap !!!!! does it ring a bell?  even tesla experimented with radioactive material, and even though there are no direct articles etc describing radioactive material in his inventions, the above statement must be an important one. otherwise he would not have mentioned it.
I can find no references to such material included into for example the car tesla drove around the countryside, but one cant deny the possibility that the central powersource in the motor was radioactive, and the rest maybe coils and caps in resonance. a type of system tesla was VERY much an expert in.
 
since several important inventors has relied on radioactive or artificial radioactive material in their power production systems, the way to get a working device seems to be in this general direction.
 
-govermental restrictions stops us ordinary people to get our hands on even low grade radioactive material, so the only way forwards is to actually change the propertys of a material and make it radioactive by artifical ways. i think that the tesla way is the most probable. Anyone can make a teslacoil that outputs hundreds of kilovolts or millions of volts.   connect one end of the coil to a vaccumtube and then we are speaking x-rays!   moray explaines how:  mix different materials together with fast electrons (this would be BETA-particles from some RA ore...) and then put a powerful x-ray on the mixture.   
result: alchemy...!
 
Lars
 
 

#14365 From: "Nu Energy Research Laboratories" <bap@...>
Date: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: Tesla & radium
nuenergy_sci...
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Lars,
 
Here are some interesting links in regards to Tesla's
views on radioactivity...
 
 
 
 
                           -Bruce P.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Lasse p
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: [nuenergy] Tesla & radium

Hi all,
 
I just read in a lecture given by Tesla that the new vaccumtube he had perfected, the one able to recieve potentials up to and past 100 million volts, that now he could make radium or radium substitutes dirt cheap !!!!! does it ring a bell?  even tesla experimented with radioactive material, and even though there are no direct articles etc describing radioactive material in his inventions, the above statement must be an important one. otherwise he would not have mentioned it.
I can find no references to such material included into for example the car tesla drove around the countryside, but one cant deny the possibility that the central powersource in the motor was radioactive, and the rest maybe coils and caps in resonance. a type of system tesla was VERY much an expert in.
 
since several important inventors has relied on radioactive or artificial radioactive material in their power production systems, the way to get a working device seems to be in this general direction.
 
-govermental restrictions stops us ordinary people to get our hands on even low grade radioactive material, so the only way forwards is to actually change the propertys of a material and make it radioactive by artifical ways. i think that the tesla way is the most probable. Anyone can make a teslacoil that outputs hundreds of kilovolts or millions of volts.   connect one end of the coil to a vaccumtube and then we are speaking x-rays!   moray explaines how:  mix different materials together with fast electrons (this would be BETA-particles from some RA ore...) and then put a powerful x-ray on the mixture.   
result: alchemy...!
 
Lars
 
 


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#14366 From: Lord Nelson <lordbrainiac@...>
Date: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:22 pm
Subject: Attention
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