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#15227 From: "Leslie R. Pastor" <lrpastor@...>
Date: Wed Nov 2, 2005 6:04 am
Subject: Gaming: From Gamesmanship to Zero-Sum Game
richard_pastor
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From my initial foray into understanding how 'control' paradigms influence whole
populations of entire countries, I developed an understanding of how 'control'
paradigms can be 'localized' in their influence upon individual 'human'
objectives.  The control of civilization including the separation of entire
cultures from each other into distinct and separate societies has been an
ongoing 'system' since the beginning of recorded history.  The strong and the
powerful have always attempted and succeeded in controlling their sphere of
influence.  They've accomplished their objectives primarily via the creation of
'banking' infrastructures.  Since the regulation of 'commerce' is the ultimate
societal 'control.'  The creation of money and monetary 'control' is the primary
extension of monetary control via their 'private' centralized banking monopoly
granted to them by each of the societal 'governments' under their sphere of
influence. The creation of 'monetized' debt and the taxing infrastructure is the
ultimate 'control' of all individuals within each and every societal grouping
upon planet Earth.  It is the perfect form of 'control' because it is 'hidden'
and 'muted' from public perception.  For 'slavery' is often overlooked when
there are no overt chains and whips nor screams and yells of horror and pain
from a life of overt toil and a droll existence.  But taxation and 'inflation'
are forms of slavery nonetheless, for these rob us of our labor and force us to
lose the value of our achievements, causing us to transfer a portion of our
'earnings' and thus our 'time' to both the 'taxman' and to unelected
'monetarists' who continually 'inflate' the circulated 'currency' to sustain
their objectives of control.

The financial titans of the American sphere of influence, namely the Rockefeller
and Morgan families acquired their wealth via a
governmental grant of special privilege via the creation of 'corporations' and
'cartelization' of the growing 'industrial' might of the American empire during
the late 1880s through the initial beginning stages of the technological
development of American Industry.
Once firmly in 'established' control, these families have refused to relinquish
their sphere of influence, maintaining a life and death grip upon the existing
infrastructure.  They're in the catbird seat and wish to remain there. 
Unfortunately, they may lead us all to perdition if they are unwilling to accept
change with due diligence.  With the rise of China and the influence of the
Russell Trust, mainland China is accelerating full speed ahead into the
twenty-first [21st] century.  The American worker is footing the entire bill for
China's expansion, primarily via China's control of the American Economic
Machinery [T-Bills, Bonds, and US Notes] and China gains immensely from this
arrangement, firstly by 'controlling' the value of the dollar, secondly by
controlling the economy of the United States, and indirectly its foreign policy.
The question we should be asking is why the US Government allowed China to
'control' the United States so fundamentally and absolutely?  If a Communist
Chinese government is able to harness the wealth of the people of the United
States and extract such huge concessions and grants of privilege, then why
didn't our own US Government not 'use' this same methodology and principle to
'rebuild' our own 'infrastructure' and 'revitalize' the American Economic
Machinery for its own people, instead of virtually giving it away to a potential
albeit discrete 'enemy.'  What is the sense of that, unless there is and has
been a predetermined goal of robbing the American people blind from the very
inception of the Federal Reserve System?

Nikola Tesla not only gave us the system of power generation at Niagara Falls,
but he established alternating current as the primary means of 'transmission'
worldwide.  He also gave us free energy generation from his laboratory in
Shoreham, Long Island with his 'magnifying transmitter.'  Tesla proved that
'energy' was freely available and could be extracted from the ambient as 'energy
from the vacuum,' which has been theoretically and actually verified by Myron
Wyn Evans, and Jean-Louis Naudin.  Documentation is readily available to those
who exercise 'due diligence.'  We are being lied to, on a systemic basis,
systematically and are being provided with artificial 'intelligence,' by
specially trained gaming experts, who have skillfully applied significant
'gamesmanship' whose intent has been to apply a series of interesting
'protocols' kindred to a global zero-sum game known as the Control Paradigm
Matrix.  This game has been played and applied from the dawn of civilization to
our present dilemma of scarcity.  A dilemma caused by a number of factors that
have stymied the controllers themselves.  Things can get quickly out of hand and
indeed out of control, even for the 'controllers.'

Therein lies the dilemma, a crossroads has been reached, and significant
alternatives are already in place, known and objectified.
The problem of change-over lies in how much knowledge the controllers wish to
relinquish in order to maintain 'jurisdictional' functionality.  For knowledge
indeed is a dangerous thing to those who misuse it, or don't know how to manage
it.  For with 'free energy' one is truly free.

Myron Wyn Evans has received a Civil List Pension from the Queen of England,
because of his brilliant accomplishments.  He has provided a truly Unified Field
Theory and has verified James Clerk Maxwell and ultimately sustained and
completed Albert Einstein's long sought after UFT.  I believe he is ultimately
destined for the Nobel Peace Prize in Physics.

All the Best,
Leslie R. Pastor

PS: Game theory is a branch of mathematics that uses models to study
interactions with formalized incentive structures ("games"). It has applications
in a variety of fields, including economics, evolutionary biology, political
science, and military strategy. Game theorists study the predicted and actual
behavior of individuals in games, as well as optimal strategies. Seemingly
different types of interactions can exhibit similar incentive structures, thus
all exemplifying one particular game.
John von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern first formalized the subject in 1944 in
their book Theory of Games and Economic Behavior.  Source:
http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Game_theory

People long have used games of one sort or another to amuse or advance
themselves. These games may be simple or complex in nature and can embody a wide
variety of forms. Despite whatever differences exist among individual games, all
games share as an end or objective the separation of winners from losers as well
as the fact that their playing is guided by a set of rules. Consequently, in
playing a game, it is understood that if all of the contestants are to have a
fair chance of winning they will be apprised of the rules of that particular
game in advance of the contest and the rules will be applied equally and fairly.

For the purposes of this study of the assassination of President John F.
Kennedy, an exercise which represents an attempt to place the murder in a
context of "gaming," a "game" will be defined as "a procedure for gaining an
end" as well as "a physical or mental competition conducted according to rules
with the participants in direct opposition to each other."

In the case of the assassination of JFK, certain members of America's
intelligence services and representatives of other agencies of the United States
government chose to play a deadly game, the rules of which remained hidden from
all but themselves and a few others. This was only to be expected because, in
the world of intelligence with its particular and peculiar covert nature, the
theory and practice of gaming can exist in an entirely different context or
dimension than they do for most people. As President Dwight D. Eisenhower once
observed of the craft of intelligence, "These activities have their own rules
and methods of concealment which seek to mislead and obscure."

Counter intelligence expert Melvin Beck also likened the craft of intelligence
to a game in his book Secret Contenders:


   Any case officer contemplating a double agent operation is convinced, or
should be, that the opposition probably knows that he is an intelligence officer
of the CIA. Indeed, there is always the tantalizing possibility that the walk-in
agent is a "plant."...If so, that only heightens the competition. What ensues
may be likened to a chess game, American Intelligence Service versus Russian
Intelligence Service, in which moves and countermoves are studied, projected,
and applied. That is probably the simplest description of what double agent
operations are--games. Source:
http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/04th_Issue/game.theory.html


------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Research: Over-Unity and Free Energy

   The Inverse Faraday Effect
   by Dr. Myron Evans - AIAS Director
   Definition of a Photon by Dr. Myron Evans - Director, AIAS
   http://www.cheniere.org/references/photon.htm
   O(3) Electrodynamics (French)
   http://www.cheniere.org/references/O(3)_Electrodyn_FR.pdf
   Invoking O(3) electrodynamics
   http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/021702.htm
   List of AIAS Papers, and Some Others of Interest
   http://www.cheniere.org/references/aias%20papers.htm
   Lorentz' Surface Integration Trick
   http://www.cheniere.org/references/lorentz.htm
   Energy Density of the Vacuum
   http://www.cheniere.org/references/energydensityofvacuum.htm
   Foundations of Electro-Magnetism
   http://www.cheniere.org/images/EMfndns1/index.html
   Links to Related Information
   http://www.cheniere.org/links.htm
   The Anti-Gravity Papers
   http://www.gaiaguys.net/Masons.vacuons.htm
   Myron W. Evans
   http://www.aias.us/
   http://www.aias.us/book01/book01.html
   http://www.cheniere.org/priore/priore%20grant%20material/Evans%20Letter.doc
   http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030203a.htm
   http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0471184462.html
   http://www.atomicprecision.com/new.html
   http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/the_new_theory_of_everything.htm
   http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?article_id=66540&cat_id=581

#15228 From: "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@...>
Date: Thu Nov 3, 2005 10:31 pm
Subject: Tesla Conversion Project now Open Source
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Good Day Everyone!

 

I am happy to announce that in moving forward with my next proof-of-concept project the Tesla Conversion Prototype Project is now made available as an open source... http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm

 

The Proof of Concept Prototype Program group discussion archives will be open for a few days if group settings permit this...

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pocpp/

 

In a few days from this announcement I will again close the discussion list archives to the public. A new project will commence. When this project is digested within the Proof of Concept Prototype Program it too will become an open source. Others projects will follow and cycle the same way.

 

                  -B.A. Perreault

 

 
 
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#15229 From: Mark Bennett <blackice@...>
Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 9:23 am
Subject: Blacklight in the news
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Fuel's paradise? Power source that turns physics on its head

· Scientist says device disproves quantum theory
· Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths

Alok Jha, science correspondent
Friday November 4, 2005
The Guardian

It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that
costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and
produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough, how
about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its
head.

Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical
engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have
built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more
heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have
verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight
Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring
the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling
his creation.

The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics, the
physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is theoretically
impossible. "Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to
convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I
don't think [Mills's] theory should be supported," said Jan Naudts, a
theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.

What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills's claim that
he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms,
with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his "hydrino",
the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the
formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge
amounts of energy.

This is scientific heresy. According to quantum mechanics, electrons
can only exist in an atom in strictly defined orbits, and the shortest
distance allowed between the proton and electron in hydrogen is fixed.
The two particles are simply not allowed to get any closer.

According to Dr Mills, there can be only one explanation: quantum
mechanics must be wrong. "We've done a lot of testing. We've got 50
independent validation reports, we've got 65 peer-reviewed journal
articles," he said. "We ran into this theoretical resistance and there
are some vested interests here. People are very strong and fervent
protectors of this [quantum] theory that they use."

Rick Maas, a chemist at the University of North Carolina at Asheville
(UNC) who specialises in sustainable energy sources, was allowed
unfettered access to Blacklight's laboratories this year. "We went in
with a healthy amount of scepticism. While it would certainly be nice
if this were true, in my position as head of a research institution, I
really wouldn't want to make a mistake. The last thing I want is to be
remembered as the person who derailed a lot of sustainable energy
investment into something that wasn't real."

But Prof Maas and Randy Booker, a UNC physicist, left under no doubt
about Dr Mill's claims. "All of us who are not quantum physicists are
looking at Dr Mills's data and we find it very compelling," said Prof
Maas. "Dr Booker and I have both put our professional reputations on
the line as far as that goes."

Dr Mills's idea goes against almost a century of thinking. When
scientists developed the theory of quantum mechanics they described a
world where measuring the exact position or energy of a particle was
impossible and where the laws of classical physics had no effect. The
theory has been hailed as one of the 20th century's greatest
achievements.

But it is an achievement Dr Mills thinks is flawed. He turned back to
earlier classical physics to develop a theory which, unlike quantum
mechanics, allows an electron to move much closer to the proton at the
heart of a hydrogen atom and, in doing so, release the substantial
amounts of energy he seeks to exploit. Dr Mills's theory, known as
classical quantum mechanics and published in the journal Physics Essays
in 2003, has been criticised most publicly by Andreas Rathke of the
European Space Agency. In a damning critique published recently in the
New Journal of Physics, he argued that Dr Mills's theory was the result
of mathematical mistakes.

Dr Mills argues that there are plenty of flaws in Dr Rathke's critique.
"His paper's riddled with mistakes. We've had other physicists contact
him and say this is embarrassing to the journal and [Dr Rathke] won't
respond," said Dr Mills.

While the theoretical tangle is unlikely to resolve itself soon, those
wanting to exploit the technology are pushing ahead. "We would like to
understand it from an academic standpoint and then we would like to be
able to use the implications to actually produce energy products," said
Prof Maas. "The companies that are lining up behind this are household
names."

Dr Mills will not go into details of who is investing in his research
but rumours suggest a range of US power companies. It is well known
also that Nasa's institute of advanced concepts has funded research
into finding a way of using Blacklight's technology to power rockets.

According to Prof Maas, the first product built with Blacklight's
technology, which will be available in as little as four years, will be
a household heater. As the technology is scaled up, he says, bigger
furnaces will be able to boil water and turn turbines to produce
electricity.

In a recent economic forecast, Prof Maas calculated that hydrino energy
would cost around 1.2 cents (0.7p) per kilowatt hour. This compares to
an average of 5 cents per kWh for coal and 6 cents for nuclear energy.

"If it's wrong, it will be proven wrong," said Kert Davies, research
director of Greenpeace USA. "But if it's right, it is so important that
all else falls away. It has the potential to solve our dependence on
oil. Our stance is of cautious optimism."

Alternative energy

Cold fusion

More than 16 years after chemists' claims to have created a star in a
jar imploded in acrimony, the US government has said it might fund more
research. Mainstream physicists still balk at reports that a beaker of
cold water and metal electrodes can produce excess heat, but a hardy
band of scientists across the world refuse to let the dream die.

Methane hydrates

The US and Japan are leading attempts to tap this source of fossil fuel
buried beneath the seabed and Arctic permafrost. A mixture of ice and
natural gas, hydrates are believed to contain more carbon than existing
reserves of oil, coal and gas put together.

Solar chimneys

Sunlight heats trapped air, which rises through a giant chimney and
drives turbines. Leonardo da Vinci designed such a power tower and the
Australian company Enviromission plans to build one. Despite being
scaled down recently, the concrete chimney will still stand some 700
metres over the outback.

Nuclear fusion

Turns nuclear power on its head by combining atoms rather than
splitting them to release energy - copying the reaction at the heart of
the sun. After years of arguments the world has agreed to build a test
reactor to see whether it works on a commercial scale. Called Iter, it
could be switched on within a decade.

Wave generators

No longer a dead duck, the hopes of engineers are riding on bobbing
floats again. The British company Trident Energy recently unveiled a
design that uses a linear generator to convert the motion of the sea
into electricity. A wave farm just a few hundred metres across could
power 62,000 homes.
David Adam

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0%2C3605%2C1627424%2C00.html

#15230 From: "doctor_whodini" <doctor_whodini01@...>
Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: Blacklight in the news
doctor_whodini
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Bruce,

Its the same old song and dance with these guys in regards to the
establishment:
"... According to Dr Mills, ... "We ran into this theoretical
resistance and there are some vested interests here. People are very
strong and fervent protectors of this [quantum] theory that they
use." ..."

Another example of science being a religion.

Bill


--- In nuenergy@yahoogroups.com, Mark Bennett <blackice@p...> wrote:
>
> Fuel's paradise? Power source that turns physics on its head
>
> · Scientist says device disproves quantum theory
> · Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths
>
> Alok Jha, science correspondent
> Friday November 4, 2005
> The Guardian
>
> It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power
that
> costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and
> produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough,
how
> about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on
its
> head.
>
> Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied
electrical
> engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to
have
> built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times
more
> heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have
> verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company,
Blacklight
> Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to
bring
> the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from
unveiling
> his creation.
>
> The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics,
the
> physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is
theoretically
> impossible. "Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to
> convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60
years. I
> don't think [Mills's] theory should be supported," said Jan Naudts,
a
> theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.
>
> What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills's claim
that
> he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the
atoms,
> with just a single proton circled by one electron. In
his "hydrino",
> the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and
the
> formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge
> amounts of energy.
>
> This is scientific heresy. According to quantum mechanics,
electrons
> can only exist in an atom in strictly defined orbits, and the
shortest
> distance allowed between the proton and electron in hydrogen is
fixed.
> The two particles are simply not allowed to get any closer.
>
> According to Dr Mills, there can be only one explanation: quantum
> mechanics must be wrong. "We've done a lot of testing. We've got 50
> independent validation reports, we've got 65 peer-reviewed journal
> articles," he said. "We ran into this theoretical resistance and
there
> are some vested interests here. People are very strong and fervent
> protectors of this [quantum] theory that they use."
>
> Rick Maas, a chemist at the University of North Carolina at
Asheville
> (UNC) who specialises in sustainable energy sources, was allowed
> unfettered access to Blacklight's laboratories this year. "We went
in
> with a healthy amount of scepticism. While it would certainly be
nice
> if this were true, in my position as head of a research
institution, I
> really wouldn't want to make a mistake. The last thing I want is to
be
> remembered as the person who derailed a lot of sustainable energy
> investment into something that wasn't real."
>
> But Prof Maas and Randy Booker, a UNC physicist, left under no
doubt
> about Dr Mill's claims. "All of us who are not quantum physicists
are
> looking at Dr Mills's data and we find it very compelling," said
Prof
> Maas. "Dr Booker and I have both put our professional reputations
on
> the line as far as that goes."
>
> Dr Mills's idea goes against almost a century of thinking. When
> scientists developed the theory of quantum mechanics they described
a
> world where measuring the exact position or energy of a particle
was
> impossible and where the laws of classical physics had no effect.
The
> theory has been hailed as one of the 20th century's greatest
> achievements.
>
> But it is an achievement Dr Mills thinks is flawed. He turned back
to
> earlier classical physics to develop a theory which, unlike quantum
> mechanics, allows an electron to move much closer to the proton at
the
> heart of a hydrogen atom and, in doing so, release the substantial
> amounts of energy he seeks to exploit. Dr Mills's theory, known as
> classical quantum mechanics and published in the journal Physics
Essays
> in 2003, has been criticised most publicly by Andreas Rathke of the
> European Space Agency. In a damning critique published recently in
the
> New Journal of Physics, he argued that Dr Mills's theory was the
result
> of mathematical mistakes.
>
> Dr Mills argues that there are plenty of flaws in Dr Rathke's
critique.
> "His paper's riddled with mistakes. We've had other physicists
contact
> him and say this is embarrassing to the journal and [Dr Rathke]
won't
> respond," said Dr Mills.
>
> While the theoretical tangle is unlikely to resolve itself soon,
those
> wanting to exploit the technology are pushing ahead. "We would like
to
> understand it from an academic standpoint and then we would like to
be
> able to use the implications to actually produce energy products,"
said
> Prof Maas. "The companies that are lining up behind this are
household
> names."
>
> Dr Mills will not go into details of who is investing in his
research
> but rumours suggest a range of US power companies. It is well known
> also that Nasa's institute of advanced concepts has funded research
> into finding a way of using Blacklight's technology to power
rockets.
>
> According to Prof Maas, the first product built with Blacklight's
> technology, which will be available in as little as four years,
will be
> a household heater. As the technology is scaled up, he says, bigger
> furnaces will be able to boil water and turn turbines to produce
> electricity.
>
> In a recent economic forecast, Prof Maas calculated that hydrino
energy
> would cost around 1.2 cents (0.7p) per kilowatt hour. This compares
to
> an average of 5 cents per kWh for coal and 6 cents for nuclear
energy.
>
> "If it's wrong, it will be proven wrong," said Kert Davies,
research
> director of Greenpeace USA. "But if it's right, it is so important
that
> all else falls away. It has the potential to solve our dependence
on
> oil. Our stance is of cautious optimism."
>
> Alternative energy
>
> Cold fusion
>
> More than 16 years after chemists' claims to have created a star in
a
> jar imploded in acrimony, the US government has said it might fund
more
> research. Mainstream physicists still balk at reports that a beaker
of
> cold water and metal electrodes can produce excess heat, but a
hardy
> band of scientists across the world refuse to let the dream die.
>
> Methane hydrates
>
> The US and Japan are leading attempts to tap this source of fossil
fuel
> buried beneath the seabed and Arctic permafrost. A mixture of ice
and
> natural gas, hydrates are believed to contain more carbon than
existing
> reserves of oil, coal and gas put together.
>
> Solar chimneys
>
> Sunlight heats trapped air, which rises through a giant chimney and
> drives turbines. Leonardo da Vinci designed such a power tower and
the
> Australian company Enviromission plans to build one. Despite being
> scaled down recently, the concrete chimney will still stand some
700
> metres over the outback.
>
> Nuclear fusion
>
> Turns nuclear power on its head by combining atoms rather than
> splitting them to release energy - copying the reaction at the
heart of
> the sun. After years of arguments the world has agreed to build a
test
> reactor to see whether it works on a commercial scale. Called Iter,
it
> could be switched on within a decade.
>
> Wave generators
>
> No longer a dead duck, the hopes of engineers are riding on bobbing
> floats again. The British company Trident Energy recently unveiled
a
> design that uses a linear generator to convert the motion of the
sea
> into electricity. A wave farm just a few hundred metres across
could
> power 62,000 homes.
> David Adam
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0%2C3605%2C1627424%2C00.html
>

#15231 From: "Allan" <adsaa4@...>
Date: Fri Nov 4, 2005 11:43 pm
Subject: Re: Tesla Conversion Project now Open Source
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--- In nuenergy@yahoogroups.com, "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@n...>
wrote:

> I am happy to announce that in moving forward with my next proof-of-
concept project the Tesla Conversion Prototype Project is now made
available as an open source... http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm


Bruce. In the drawing you suggest a insulated antenna. What material
should be used as this insulation. Should it be treated in any way?

     - Allan.

#15232 From: "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@...>
Date: Sun Nov 6, 2005 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: Tesla Conversion Project now Open Source
nuenergy_sci...
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Allan,
 
Teflon would be nice but it is very expensive. The plastic coating
on the wire in coax cable is actually designed to prevent electrostatic
build up. Perhaps ordinary hook up wire from radio shack could
be used?
 
                         -Bruce P.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [nuenergy] Re: Tesla Conversion Project now Open Source

--- In nuenergy@yahoogroups.com, "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@n...>
wrote:

> I am happy to announce that in moving forward with my next proof-of-
concept project the Tesla Conversion Prototype Project is now made
available as an open source... http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm


Bruce. In the drawing you suggest a insulated antenna. What material
should be used as this insulation. Should it be treated in any way?

    - Allan.







#15233 From: "fleubis" <jdavis@...>
Date: Mon Nov 7, 2005 5:47 pm
Subject: Power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than it should
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Nice to see we are back to ENERGY instead of politics!  Here's a
scientist claiming that quantum theory must be wrong.  Lots more output
than input--our kind of game! It'll be interesting to see how long this
lasts before this guy gets shot down.

James

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1627424,00.html

#15234 From: "Chris Swinson" <tesla@...>
Date: Mon Nov 7, 2005 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: Power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than it should
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Subject: [nuenergy] Power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat
than it should


> Nice to see we are back to ENERGY instead of politics!  Here's a
> scientist claiming that quantum theory must be wrong.  Lots more output
> than input--our kind of game! It'll be interesting to see how long this
> lasts before this guy gets shot down.
>
> James
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1627424,00.html
>
>



a nice find, I didnt spot that one.

Have heard of this guy a lot, I dont think hes in the know as such, hes
actually a magician by trade if I remember right, he will come and see your
devices of free energy if you pay for his flight. Though I didnt like what I
read in his "terms" , seemed like he had the right to copy your entire
design for free or waffle to that effect.

Whats happening to all these other hydro cars ? they have been around for
years now but companies live in fear of the general public getting hold of
them in fear of them blowing themselves up.

Chris

#15235 From: Robin van Spaandonk <rvanspaa@...>
Date: Mon Nov 7, 2005 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: Power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than it should
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In reply to  Chris Swinson's message of Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:27:15
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Hi,
[snip]
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1627424,00.html
>>
>>
>
>
>
>a nice find, I didnt spot that one.
>
>Have heard of this guy a lot, I dont think hes in the know as such, hes
>actually a magician by trade if I remember right, he will come and see your
>devices of free energy if you pay for his flight. Though I didnt like what I
>read in his "terms" , seemed like he had the right to copy your entire
>design for free or waffle to that effect.

You appear to be talking about James Randi, not Randell Mills. The
two are poles apart, don't confuse them.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.

#15236 From: "fleubis" <jdavis@...>
Date: Mon Nov 7, 2005 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: Tesla Conversion Project now Open Source
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This device would seem to require an extrmely long and high antenna to
capture static potential difference. We all know that the higher up you
go, the greater the potential difference to ground. Of course if you
are willing to wait long enough, even a short antenna will eventually
charge the capacitor and arc across the spark plug.

At any rate it seems more like Plauson and Tesla.

James



--- In nuenergy@yahoogroups.com, "Allan" <adsaa4@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In nuenergy@yahoogroups.com, "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@n...>
> wrote:
>
> > I am happy to announce that in moving forward with my next proof-of-
> concept project the Tesla Conversion Prototype Project is now made
> available as an open source... http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm
>
>
> Bruce. In the drawing you suggest a insulated antenna. What material
> should be used as this insulation. Should it be treated in any way?
>
>     - Allan.
>

#15238 From: "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@...>
Date: Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:17 pm
Subject: Barry Shows Gasification Machine, But Can't Turn It On
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#15239 From: Mark Bennett <blackice@...>
Date: Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:43 pm
Subject: On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets
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On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets:

An Empirical Study
Ali Rahimi1, Ben Recht 2, Jason Taylor 2, Noah Vawter 2
17 Feb 2005

1: Electrical Engineering and Computer Science department, MIT.
2: Media Laboratory, MIT.


Abstract

Among a fringe community of paranoids, aluminum helmets serve as the
protective measure of choice against invasive radio signals. We
investigate the efficacy of three aluminum helmet designs on a sample
group of four individuals. Using a $250,000 network analyser, we find
that although on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio
frequencies in either directions (either emanating from an outside
source, or emanating from the cranium of the subject), certain
frequencies are in fact greatly amplified. These amplified frequencies
coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the
Federal Communication Commission (FCC). Statistical evidence suggests
the use of helmets may in fact enhance the government's invasive
abilities. We theorize that the government may in fact have started the
helmet craze for this reason.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

#15240 From: "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@...>
Date: Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:20 pm
Subject: My feedback on Increasing Fuel Efficiency of Gasolene Combustion
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Hello Michael & All,

 

In my opinion the opposite holds true, the hydrogen should be eliminated from the electrolyzer. I will go one step further and say that the oxygen should be converted to ozone. This has the effect of allowing the hydrocarbon (petroleum) to completely burn. Ozone in the mix will also burn any carbon build-up in the engine. I have had this concept on the back burner for a few years. I am presently testing a prototype for a product that will boost the power of an engine.

 

People are starting to get whiff of the use of ozone to increase fuel burn efficiency... http://fueleconomytips.com/

 

"Ozone is 3 or more oxygen atoms combined into a single molecule. In its 2 atom state, oxygen gas is quite stable. It is fairly happy with life and isn’t looking for any changes. In the combustion process, it takes extreme pressures, temperatures, and even a spark to get it mad enough to get nasty with the fuel molecules in the combustion process. Ozone, on the other hand, is the big bully looking to pick a fight with anything or anybody that gets near it. Ozone is unstable in its ionic state and therefore is far more reactive with the fuel molecules. What this means is that a little bit of ozone in the combustion process lights things quicker, and burns hotter and more ferociously than oxygen alone. Ozone puts more power to the wheels on the same amount of fuel, or requires less fuel for the same amount of power."

 

My prototype is an electronic version and if test results are positive you will be able to buy it from my website in about a month for around sixty dollars.

 

The concept is not new... http://www.tinyurl.com/9spk7

I was surprised to see that this was actually invented way back in 1929. I think that the patent doesn't mention MPG gain because fuel cost was not a concern back then.

 

                               -Bruce P.

 

 

 

 

From: michaeljp86@...
Date: Thu Nov 10, 2005  11:04 am
Subject: Re: [energy2000 / energy 21) Re: DIY: Hydrogen & Oxygen & Gas car
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I think it is best to keep the oxygen out of the engine. The engine wants to
run at a certine air/fuel ratio so the oxygen sensor controls this. If it
gets more oxygen then you need more fuel to keep the air/fuel ratio the same.
When the hydrogen burns it uses up the oxygen so the the computer says to rich
and since it cant control the hydrobooster it gives it less gas, in fuel
injection it closes the injectors sooner. So if it gets more oxygen then it
needs more fuel to make it even so your using up about 1/2 of the hydrogen. In
my
mind you get better fuel economy by leaving the oxygen out of the engine. I
would think that you should get twice the hydrogen then oxygen out of water.

Mikey

 

 

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#15241 From: "Leslie R. Pastor" <lrpastor@...>
Date: Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:57 pm
Subject: The Aetheric Principles
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From my initial foray http://users.pandora.be/wouter.termote/Links_from_others.htm and existing links regarding Tesla's initial discoveries of the ancient aether, I have gained some fundamental insights into what appears to be significant sources of data, regarding anomaly discovery.  This ties in with my continuing suspicions regarding the 'control' paradigm.  Modern Scientific Theories of the Ancient Aether http://www.mountainman.com.au/aetherqr.htm and the ongoing theories of the Aether have provided
http://www.mountainman.com.au/aether.html significant caches of resource data, for those who have a knowledgebase.
 
Einstein's 'luminiferous aether' was believed to have been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether dealt a final 'death blow.'  The EIs are not amused.  They regard ANY 'anomaly' as being non-productive or conducive to their 'objective' reality-based 'models.'
 
All the Best,
Leslie R. Pastor
 
PS: What is a Paradigm Shift - Thomas S. Kuhn spent his entire life providing the answer to that question
 
Research:
 
Aetheric Related Research:
 
Absolutely Aether
 
Thermodynamics and Free Energy
 
The Mysteries of Myths of Heat: A Brief History of Hot & Cold by Eugene F. Mallove
 
What is Electromagnetic Education?
 
Historical Timeline Omits Tesla [1856 - 1943] One of the greatest 'inventors' who ever lived.
 
Does the Bible Teach a Spherical Earth?
 
Intelligent Design Obviously Opposes Darwin
 
Intelligent Design Proposes an Intelligent Designer
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

#15242 From: "jan_p_cack" <jan_p_cack@...>
Date: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:20 am
Subject: New Concept?
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Hello,
  A little while back I had an idea and want to share it. Please feel
free to e-mail me your thoughts and opinions. I have not made any
pics yet so I hope I can adequetly describe this concept for you.
  If you had 2 very large diameter wheels, side by side, with enough
distance between them to suspend a carriage big enough to carry 1
person. Consider these "wheels" to be spokeless, without a center of
any kind, and a smooth rim for "guided rollers". The "carriage
assembly" would be "free spinning" on the rims with multiple roller
assemblys. This will provide the least obstructions and easily
enable a low center of gravity for stability. In a neutral state the
weight of the carriage would "balance" itself on the inside of the
wheels.
  Incorperated into the carriage would be a "flywheel" of ample
size/weight. this flywheel could be "powered" by many different
sources but, for simplicity, consider human/pedal power. This
flywheel would be orientated the same direction as the wheels,
spinning at a very high rpm. I believe the "torque" created by the
flywheel would be enough to "shift" your center of gravity. If the
weight is shifted foward this would force the "vehicle" to roll
foward. This seems like a pretty effecient form of "inertial
propulsion".
  That is the basic concept in its simpliest form. I have been
thinking beyond this and wondered if you manually pivot the flywheel
on its axis, as it's spinning, will this create a "pivot" reaction
on the vehicle for a controlled turn? I also thought if you use 2
flywheels and could build/buy a "syncro-mesh, variable speed,
counter-rotating gearbox assembly", something that could "transfer"
torque/rpm's from one flywheel to the other this may provide for a
controlled forward/reverse reaction.
  I cannot imagine this form, or variable, to be any more than a
whimsical toy. Maybe someone else can realize more potential in
this, it just came to me and seemed kinda cool and interesting.
Looking forward to your responses.
  Jan P. Cack

#15243 From: Mark Bennett <blackice@...>
Date: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:31 am
Subject: saucer doc on History Channel tonight
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Hi

I'm in the UK and this plays tonight - can anyone record to DVD?

Cheers

Mark


Premieres:
Monday, November 14 @ 8pm ET/PT
Ever since the military started using sophisticated airplanes, they
have sought ways to build an aircraft that can fly undetected, maneuver
like a helicopter and fly like a jet. The Nazis were the first to
pursue the idea of building a disc-shaped aircraft. After the war, the
Americans, Canadians and Russians all were able to build aircraft
similar to the German prototype, perhaps based on the concepts smuggled
out by German engineers. This episode looks at top secret flying saucer
designs of the Air Force, with specific dates, times and locales of
flights that may point to the real explanation behind the many UFO
sightings beginning in 1947, and why the saucer design was abandoned
for stealth technology.    TVPG  cc


other in the series:

Beyond The War of the Worlds.
Airs on Monday, November 21 at 8:00pm ET

   In print worldwide for over a century, The War of the Worlds is H.G.
Wells at his best. Beginning with its literary origins, we trace the
path of this amazing story from riveting magazine serial through the
panic broadcast of 1938, and then to major motion pictures. We uncover
the long-forgotten 1968 broadcast that again drove thousands into the
streets of Buffalo, New York; and gain exclusive access to a new
animated feature film. Loaded with state-of-the-art special effects and
stunning reenactments, we revisit not only the famous but the obscure,
including the radio broadcast in Ecuador that cost 20 people their
lives. Filled with vintage film clips and previously unseen
interpretations of the Martians, this is one you won't want to
miss!  TVPG
Russian Roswell.
Airs on Friday, November 25 at 10:00am ET

   Welcome to the remote, top-secret military base Kapustin Yar, the
Soviet "Area 51"--where the wreckage from no fewer than eight UFO crash
incidents and their occupants were transported and studied between 1945
and `91. We expose this never-before-seen installation through
interviews, on-camera tours, dramatic reenactments, and extensive
recreations. We also explore the many Russian UFO crashes over the
decades and show the ways in which Soviet UFO research scientists at
Kapustin Yar used and processed the wreckage...and the alien
bodies. Join us as we investigate the facts and myths surrounding
Kapustin Yar, as well as the many UFO crashes that still circulate in
the lore and consciousness of the Russian people.  TVPG

UFOs and the White House.
Airs on Monday, November 28 at 8:00pm ET

   Did you know that the office of President of the United States has had
a direct involvement with UFOs for over 50 years? Since WWII, every
Chief Executive has publicly discussed, issued, or received documents
from the White House pertaining to "Unidentified Flying Objects". Many
of these documents have never been seen on television before and some
of the stories surrounding these UFO-presidential encounters are
broadcast for the first time. Find out which administrations had to
defend our country from unidentified objects...who was sitting in the
Oval Office during the biggest UFO sightings...and how the government's
UFO files are handled, depending on political affiliations. We'll
gather the facts and glean information from presidential libraries that
reveal startling insight on UFOs and the White House.  TVPG


#15244 From: "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@...>
Date: Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:17 pm
Subject: Free Energy will be made possible on January 1rst, 2006!
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Good Day Everyone!

 

And a very good day that it is indeed. This is an announcement to inform everyone that I have created a new Yahoo discussion list where I am presently releasing information that I have coveted over the years in regards to my findings on generating clean electrical power from the dissociation of matter into electrical power.

 

It might surprise many of you that T. Henry Moray did not use radioactive material in an actual radiant energy power device until the 1950’s. This information appears in the personal notes of a person who witnessed Moray’s handy-work in person. This is but one jewel that is contained in the notes. These notes have only been shared amongst a select few researchers. They now reside on my newly created Yahoo discussion group… http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radiant_energy/

 

To view these notes and other relevant information in regards to the radiant energy power device you will need to subscribe to… http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/radiant_energy

 

I believe that several free-energy devices that appear to have drawn energy from disintegration of matter into energy, as described in the group description, only a few researchers realized how to efficiently convert it into electrical current and even fewer people actually knew where the power was being extracted from. People, whom I will not name, have been disseminating information for years that is far removed from the reality of radiant energy power generation, covering it up with deceptive theories. It is time to set the record straight and put the lame theories to rest forever. They have done a terrible disservice to humanity.

 

The real shocker in the course of my research came to me when I discovered early 1900 patents that show that Moray was not the original inventor of the “radiant energy receiver.” The patents had remained hidden because the inventor shortened his name when he immigrated to America. This served well over the years to protect the invention from prying eyes.

 

The patents represent a crude but functional radiant energy power device. Adding the “Swedish Stone” detector to the circuit was Moray’s actual contribution to the device, increasing the efficiency of conversion several-fold. The two men worked together until Moray passed away in May 1974. I will add the patents to the group file section on January 1rst, 2006 to start the new year off in the correct direction. With these patents it will become possible for you to build a radiant energy power generator that is both self-sustaining and will also provide useful electrical power.

 

                    Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault
 
 
 

#15245 From: "Andrew Bellon" <andrew@...>
Date: Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:52 am
Subject: Re: The Aetheric Principles
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Hi Leslie --

Never thought I'd see it -- December 2005 Scientific American (just
published) has cover article on plausable fluid models of
spacetime...yes, the "ether."

best regards,
ab

--- In nuenergy@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie R. Pastor" <lrpastor@o...> wrote:
>
> From my initial foray
http://users.pandora.be/wouter.termote/Links_from_others.htm and
existing links regarding Tesla's initial discoveries of the ancient
aether, I have gained some fundamental insights into what appears to
be significant sources of data, regarding anomaly discovery.  This
ties in with my continuing suspicions regarding the 'control'
paradigm.  Modern Scientific Theories of the Ancient Aether
http://www.mountainman.com.au/aetherqr.htm and the ongoing theories of
the Aether have provided
> http://www.mountainman.com.au/aether.html significant caches of
resource data, for those who have a knowledgebase.
>
> Einstein's 'luminiferous aether' was believed to have been
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether dealt a final 'death
blow.'  The EIs are not amused.  They regard ANY 'anomaly' as being
non-productive or conducive to their 'objective' reality-based 'models.'
>
> All the Best,
> Leslie R. Pastor
>
> PS: What is a Paradigm Shift - Thomas S. Kuhn spent his entire life
providing the answer to that question
> http://homepages.ed.ac.uk/ajbird/research/papers/Paradigm.pdf
> http://www-tech.mit.edu/V116/N28/kuhn.28n.html
> http://www.des.emory.edu/mfp/Kuhnsnap.html
> http://www.des.emory.edu/mfp/Kuhn.html
>
> Research:
>
> Aetheric Related Research:
> http://www.answers.com/topic/aether
> http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Luminiferous_aether
> http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/00archive.htm
> http://www.dipmat.unipg.it/~bartocci/fis/aeth-web.htm
> http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep6/ep6-aeth.htm
> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ascension/esp_ascension_5.htm
> http://ascension2000.com/ConvergenceIII/
> http://www.aethmogen.com/wri/reprint/ebnews/p1.shtml
> http://open-site.org/Science/Physics/Modern/Luminiferous_Aether/
> http://www.quantumaetherdynamics.com/intro.html
>
> Absolutely Aether
> http://home.iprimus.com.au/longhair1/page1.html
>
> Thermodynamics and Free Energy
> http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/thermo.html
>
> The Mysteries of Myths of Heat: A Brief History of Hot & Cold by
Eugene F. Mallove
> http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue37/mysteries.html
> http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue37/index.html
>
> What is Electromagnetic Education?
> http://www.electronetwork.org/education/elements/
>
> Historical Timeline Omits Tesla [1856 - 1943] One of the greatest
'inventors' who ever lived.
> http://history.hyperjeff.net/electromagnetism.html
>
> Does the Bible Teach a Spherical Earth?
> http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2001/PSCF9-01Schneider.html
>
> Intelligent Design Obviously Opposes Darwin
> http://www.azinet.com/evolution/intelligent_design.html
> http://www.praguepost.com/P03/2005/Art/1020/news7.php
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5007508&ft=1&f=2
> http://www.harvard-magazine.com/on-line/110518.html
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1504223/posts
> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/july-dec05/evolution_8-05.html
> http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/dn8058
>
> Intelligent Design Proposes an Intelligent Designer
> http://www.leaderu.com/offices/dembski/docs/bd-whatwhen.html
> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05291/590339.stm
> http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=38812
> http://www.leaderu.com/focus/idpublicsquare.html
> http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20574
> http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/ohioboardtalk.htm
>

#15246 From: "Leslie R. Pastor" <lrpastor@...>
Date: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:21 am
Subject: Re: Re: The Aetheric Principles
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Thanks, Andrew

All the best,
Leslie R. Pastor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Bellon" <andrew@...>
To: <nuenergy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:52 PM
Subject: [nuenergy] Re: The Aetheric Principles


> Hi Leslie --
>
> Never thought I'd see it -- December 2005 Scientific American (just
> published) has cover article on plausable fluid models of
> spacetime...yes, the "ether."
>
> best regards,
> ab
>
> --- In nuenergy@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie R. Pastor" <lrpastor@o...> wrote:
> >
> > From my initial foray
> http://users.pandora.be/wouter.termote/Links_from_others.htm and
> existing links regarding Tesla's initial discoveries of the ancient
> aether, I have gained some fundamental insights into what appears to
> be significant sources of data, regarding anomaly discovery.  This
> ties in with my continuing suspicions regarding the 'control'
> paradigm.  Modern Scientific Theories of the Ancient Aether
> http://www.mountainman.com.au/aetherqr.htm and the ongoing theories of
> the Aether have provided
> > http://www.mountainman.com.au/aether.html significant caches of
> resource data, for those who have a knowledgebase.
> >
> > Einstein's 'luminiferous aether' was believed to have been
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether dealt a final 'death
> blow.'  The EIs are not amused.  They regard ANY 'anomaly' as being
> non-productive or conducive to their 'objective' reality-based 'models.'
> >
> > All the Best,
> > Leslie R. Pastor
> >
> > PS: What is a Paradigm Shift - Thomas S. Kuhn spent his entire life
> providing the answer to that question
> > http://homepages.ed.ac.uk/ajbird/research/papers/Paradigm.pdf
> > http://www-tech.mit.edu/V116/N28/kuhn.28n.html
> > http://www.des.emory.edu/mfp/Kuhnsnap.html
> > http://www.des.emory.edu/mfp/Kuhn.html
> >
> > Research:
> >
> > Aetheric Related Research:
> > http://www.answers.com/topic/aether
> > http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Luminiferous_aether
> > http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/00archive.htm
> > http://www.dipmat.unipg.it/~bartocci/fis/aeth-web.htm
> > http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep6/ep6-aeth.htm
> > http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ascension/esp_ascension_5.htm
> > http://ascension2000.com/ConvergenceIII/
> > http://www.aethmogen.com/wri/reprint/ebnews/p1.shtml
> > http://open-site.org/Science/Physics/Modern/Luminiferous_Aether/
> > http://www.quantumaetherdynamics.com/intro.html
> >
> > Absolutely Aether
> > http://home.iprimus.com.au/longhair1/page1.html
> >
> > Thermodynamics and Free Energy
> > http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/thermo.html
> >
> > The Mysteries of Myths of Heat: A Brief History of Hot & Cold by
> Eugene F. Mallove
> > http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue37/mysteries.html
> > http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue37/index.html
> >
> > What is Electromagnetic Education?
> > http://www.electronetwork.org/education/elements/
> >
> > Historical Timeline Omits Tesla [1856 - 1943] One of the greatest
> 'inventors' who ever lived.
> > http://history.hyperjeff.net/electromagnetism.html
> >
> > Does the Bible Teach a Spherical Earth?
> > http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2001/PSCF9-01Schneider.html
> >
> > Intelligent Design Obviously Opposes Darwin
> > http://www.azinet.com/evolution/intelligent_design.html
> > http://www.praguepost.com/P03/2005/Art/1020/news7.php
> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5007508&ft=1&f=2
> > http://www.harvard-magazine.com/on-line/110518.html
> > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1504223/posts
> > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/july-dec05/evolution_8-05.html
> > http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/dn8058
> >
> > Intelligent Design Proposes an Intelligent Designer
> > http://www.leaderu.com/offices/dembski/docs/bd-whatwhen.html
> > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05291/590339.stm
> > http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=38812
> > http://www.leaderu.com/focus/idpublicsquare.html
> > http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20574
> > http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/ohioboardtalk.htm
> >
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#15247 From: "Doctor Whodini" <doctor_whodini01@...>
Date: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:57 pm
Subject: RE: [radiant_energy] Frequency Range?
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I call this the "Telluric Potential". Its a "chirp" signal that repeats between 12.6 to 12.9 cycles per second during the course of the day and is "buried" in the aether. I'm presently developing software that will synchronize my ZPOD device to this chirp signal rate. The duty cycle of the chirp signal is rather tight - its around 5%. For more info, see:
 
Bill
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Nu Energy Industries [mailto:bap@...]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:22 PM
To: radiant_energy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [radiant_energy] Frequency Range?

Hello Chris,
 
I am glad that you bring up what frequency we should build our device to operate at;
 

"Thunderstorms behave like batteries which are connected with the highly conducting ionosphere and earth via the barely conducting lower and middle atmosphere. The passive electric continuous current flowing outside the thunderstorm regions down to the earth is part of the global electric circuit. In fair weather regions far away from thunderstorm areas, one measures a downward-directed current density which is believed to be driven by the global thunderstorm activity. This current density is remarkably constant with height. Since the air is electrically conducting, the current is accompanied by a downward-directed electric field of the order of 100 volts per meter on the ground. The average potential between ground and the ionosphere, called the atmospheric electric potential is 240 kV. but varying between about 180 and 400 kV. The electric field on the earth's surface is always at right angles to the ground. This indicates that the earth's surface behaves like an electric equipotential layer for continuous electric fields with greater electric current density at higher altitudes along the surface. One source of the space charge near the ground is due to the electrode effect. The negative ions drift upward and the positive ions drift downward under the influence of the vertical electric field.

Thunderstorms are the main source of electromagnetic energy within the lower atmosphere and are believed to drive the global electric circuit. Typical thunderslouds are convective cumulo-nimbus clouds with vigorous updrafts and downdrafts. Most, but not all accumulate a net positive electric charge in their upper and a net negative charge in their lower regions. The electric fields from these charges become sufficiently intense to reverse the fair weather field over and beneath the clouds and to generate electric currents that can maintain the negative charge of the earth against the fair weather. About 2,000 thunderstorms are active around the earth at all times. The maximum intensity over the respective areas is at mid afternoon local time, but the global activity displays a dependence on the global time with a maximum of activity near 1800 h. UTC when the large continents of Africa and South America are both under the suns influence and therefore both experiencing peak thunderstorm authority.

Telluric currents will flow in the surface layers of the earth. Since thunderstorm maximum events occur at low latitudes in the afternoon and evenings, these telluric currents must be directed equator ward during the daytime and poleward at night. Telluric currents are a relatively shallow surface phenomena, yielding 1/2 day hemispheric telluric currents in the 102 to103 ampere range. The intensity of telluric currents are then adequate to supply the flow from the global fair weather charge accumulator to the bases of the thunderstorms. Electric currents will flow between hemispheres at all times and the current density at any location is a direct function of the interhemispheric currents and their potential gradients.

Lightning discharges are breakdown electric currents in regions where the electric field locally exceeds about 400 kV/meter. Ground discharges normally transport negative charge (electrons) from the lower part of the cloud to the ground and are therefore part of the global circuit. Each ground discharge is generally made up of one or more intermittent partial discharges. A total lightning discharge, the time duration of which is about 1/3 second, is called a flash. Each component discharge, lasting of the order of tens of milliseconds, is called a stroke. Each lightning stroke is preceded by a barely luminous predischarge, the leader which produces a negatively charged ionized path between cloud and ground for the return stroke to follow. A corona sheath with a diameter of about one meter envelops the highly conductive leader channel. When the leader has approached to within 5 to 50 meters of the ground, a positively charged streamer from some point on the earth comes up to meet it, and then commences the return stroke which travels up the ionized path established by the leader. The negative charge in the channel is lowered to the ground. The return stroke is an upward movement of a luminous wave front with a velocity that reaches 0.1 to 0.3 of the speed of light with peak current amplitudes of 10 to 100 kA. within a few tens of microseconds. Subsequent return strokes follow, on the average of two or three occuring during one flash, but as many as 26 strokes have been detected in a single flash. A continuous current of 100 Amperes or more flows from the ground to the negatively charged portion of the cloud in the interval of the return strokes.

Luminous events occur at temperatures exceeding 10,000 degrees Kelvin. The visible spectrum of the lightning stroke consists mainly of neutral nitrogen and oxygen emissions. The temperature in return strokes can reach 30,000 K. and the pressure in the channel can increase to a peak of more than 106Pa. A pressure shock wave is thus generated which propagates away from the channel with a speed of about 3km/sec. This speed decreases rapidly as the shock front expands. The acoustic signal of the shock front is heard as thunder, which travels with the speed of sound (330 m/s). The maximum spectral amplitude of a thunder signal is near 100 Hz. The mean flash rate of lightning over the whole earth is estimated to be of the order of 100 flashes per second. These lightning flashes generate radio noise at frequencies greater than above 100kHz.

Lightning channels behave like huge antenna systems which radiate electromagnetic energy. These natural impulsive signals at frequencies below 100 kHz arise from coherent electric currents in lightning channels during return strokes and are called atmospherics. These signals are radiated throughout the earth and atmosphere, and propagate within the waveguide of the earth-ionosphere cavity. The waveguide thus has two windows of peak activity, one in the ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) range, and the other one in the VLF (Very Low Frequency) range. The phase velocity of the mode decreases with increasing frequency and is larger than the speed of light within the VLF range. The transmission function of the terrestrial waveguide has a window at extremely low frequencies and pulses containing significant spectral amplitudes in that range may be received around the earth where the waveguide behaves as a natural resonator. At these ELF ranges, resonances occurs for waves with horizontal wavelengths which are an integral multiple of the earth's circumference; and the spectral signals from lightning are amplified at these frequencies. The activity of this Schumann Resonance reflects the global lightning with maximum activity occurring between 1600 h and 200 h UTC."

 
 
 
"There are many interesting naturally occurring radio signals generated by electrical activity in the earths atmosphere. These include sferics, chirps, whistlers, and the “dawn chorus”. The Earth and surrounding space produce a variety of naturally occurring radio phenomena from lightning storms, solar events, auroras, geologic activity, and other related natural events. The most common generator of natural radio signals are the ever present thunderstorms on our planet. There are several hundred to more than a thousand thunderstorms occurring on Earth at any one time. The tremendous energy and the dimensions of this activity all allow significant RF energy to be generated in the audio frequency range (30-15000 Hz, or 0.03 to 15 kHz). Since this energy is electromagnetic, we cannot directly hear it, even though it is in the audio range. It is often asked by those unfamiliar with electronics, and physics in general, why these low frequencies, in the audible range, cannot be heard by the unaided ear. The reason is the mode of propagation. These waves are electromagnetic in nature, while audible sounds are mechanical in nature, consisting of changes in pressure in the conducting medium (water, air, etc.)." http://www.northcountryradio.com/Kitpages/elfrcvr.htm
 
 
"It seems that the surface of the earth and the underside of the ionosphere form a huge resonant cavity. On average within this cavity there are 2000 thousand lightning strikes per minute. These lightning strikes make this cavity ring electrically just like a bell but at much different frequencies or pitches. Note, we are talking about radio waves here, not sound waves. The method of propagation, and behavior are quite different. For example, we can hear a 350 Hz sound wave, but we cannot hear a 350 Hz radio wave. The reasons for this are outside the range of this article... if you really want to know, try a good physics textbook.

There appear to be 3 dominant groups of frequencies that are produced by these lightening flashes. The first is a group of frequencies from around 3 Hertz (That's old fashioned cycles per second) to about 30 Hertz, a second group, covering the spectrum from about 350 Hertz up to 6000 Hertz and a final group from 20,000 Hertz up and into the shortwave radio bands."
 
 
Moray operated his device at 6000 Hertz. This appears to be a good frequency for our device.
 
                     -Bruce P.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: xsyw9998
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:19 PM
Subject: [radiant_energy] Frequency Range?

Greetings all,

I've been praying for the day when I can put away my solar panels
once and for all. Perhaps that day is getting a bit closer.

In the meantime... Bruce, don't worry about the black suits. Make
available whatever you have on this subject and turn it loose. One of
the group members mentioned that we don't have a lot of time left. I
concur. If you listen to GCN (www.gcnlive.com) and RBN
(www.rbnlive.com) you know what I'm talking about. For those that
aren't aware or think it's a bunch of hooey, I beg you to reconsider.
Get yourself a shortwave radio or if you have the bandwidth, listen
to some of these shows on the 'net. Listen. THINK.

Back to the topic at hand:

One important consideration is the operating frequency. I =believe=
that any multiple of a frequency in the range of 7 to 9 Hz, the lower
the better, would be optimal. I base this partly on established fact
and partly on historical data. Working in the 7 to 9 Hz range
(efficiently) is costly due to the size of the coil involved,
assuming that you use only an air-core coil. Once you get up to
around 42 KHz, coil size becomes reasonable and managable. Refering
to a list I found a while back:

Keely: 42.8 KHz
Tesla: 40 to 200 Hz (notice the Master uses LOW frequencies!)
Coler: 180 KHz
Solar Bursts: 40 KHz to 100 KHz
Earth's Wave Cavity: 86 KHz (this one's questionable)

Now, check this out. Starting with 14.3 KHz (do the math):

14.3 * 3 = 42.9 KHz (VERY close to Keely)
14.3 * 6 = 86 KHz (see above)
14.3 * 9 = 128 KHz (haven't found anyone using this one)
14.3 * 12 = (approx) 180 KHz

Interesting, eh?

I'll have to do the math to see if a 14.3 KHz coil is reasonable in
wire length and physical size. More to come.

Best of luck to everyone in their endeavors and in the days to come.

Chris








#15248 From: "William Wright" <BJ1959@...>
Date: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:28 am
Subject: Joining as a new member
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Hi Bruce, I have been to some of your seminars in the past, and have built a radiant energy device to split water. Will keep you updated as God gives me the wisdom. bj1959@... Bill Wright

#15249 From: "murilo filo" <avalanchedrive@...>
Date: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:18 pm
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#15250 From: "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@...>
Date: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: Joining as a new member
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Hello William,
 
What circuit did you use?
Can you share some details
with the group?
 
              -Bruce P.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:28 PM
Subject: [nuenergy] Joining as a new member

Hi Bruce, I have been to some of your seminars in the past, and have built a radiant energy device to split water. Will keep you updated as God gives me the wisdom. bj1959@... Bill Wright

#15251 From: "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@...>
Date: Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:33 am
Subject: United States v. Deborah Davis
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#15252 From: "Leslie R. Pastor" <lrpastor@...>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:59 am
Subject: An Observation of The Control Paradigm - Tom Valone - Integrity Research Institute
richard_pastor
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Thomas Valone has been vindicated.  He is a prime example of a lifetime
demonstration of how the control paradigm works and functions as a complete
'system.'  The reality of the 'control' paradigm has been significantly
demonstrated via his own personal life experience.  He is truly a significant
individual of high moral standards, and I applaud his significant contributions.

All the Best,
Leslie R. Pastor

PS:

Tom Valone was fired from his employment as a Patent Examiner, when he attempted
to host a COFE at the U.S. Dept of Commerce.  Here is his Arbitration Decision:
http://users.erols.com/iri/ValonePatentOfficeDecision.htm  As was expected, he
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Research:

Antony C. Sutton Wrote About Dr. Peter Zimmerman
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The Peter Zimmerman Affair and the Cold Fusion CheckMate
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Peter Zimmerman and Randell L. Mills http://www.blacklightpower.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hydrino/messages/3401?viscount=100
The Empire Strikes Back [Village Voice]
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What's New by Bob Park
http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/archives.html
Internet Infidels
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=2888248
Energy Crisis: The Failure of the Comprehensive National Energy Strategy [Tom
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http://users.erols.com/iri/crisis.html
Conference On Future Energy
http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue26/cofe.html
The First Conference On Future Energy
http://users.erols.com/iri/COFEReview.htm
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#15253 From: "Nu Energy Industries" <bap@...>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:11 pm
Subject: Why we're still split over the atom
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#15254 From: Mark Bennett <blackice@...>
Date: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:02 pm
Subject: might be of interest to some
blackiceuk
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Raw Deal: Horrible and Ironic Stories of Forgotten Americans (Paperback)
by  Ken Smith

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0922233209/qid=1133384371/sr=8-8/
ref=pd_bbs_8/103-5597593-8011005?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

one review:

The Real American Dream Realized, February 9, 2004

Reviewer:
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jumped out of a 10-story window because corporate greed ruined his
life.The story of the only human being in history with a 300 IQ. He
suffered because a country full of Babbitts forced him to
conform.Unable to do so,he died a pauper's death at 46.Too bad he
pioneered the concept of Black Holes in the late 1920's and quite
possibly rivaled Einstein in the realm of quantum physics.There are
many more.All are Americans who suffered terribly.Simply one of the
best books I ever read.It is worth it's weight in gold purely for
obscure conversation value among friends who believe the lies thier
schools taught them.

#15255 From: "Doctor Whodini" <doctor_whodini01@...>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 7:39 pm
Subject: RE: [intalek] FW: Re: A message from Don Smith
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Bruce,
 
The place where I'm at in my research and development is the same place where everything goes into Black Ops.
 
We have until September 2006. Its "game over" after this point.
 
Bill
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Doctor Whodini [mailto:doctor_whodini01@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:09 PM
To: INTALEK EMAIL GROUP
Subject: [intalek] FW: Re: A message from Don Smith

--- In radiant_energy@yahoogroups.com, "doctor_whodini"
<doctor_whodini01@i...> wrote:

Bruce,

There's one catch. His sparking system has to be in synchronization
with the Telluric Potential. Otherwise, he won't get this
amplification effect. Once he gets this effect, the idea is to phase
lock to it at this rate.

I'm presently working on a system that will do this.

Bill


--- In radiant_energy@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce A. Perreault"
<bap@n...> wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I just received this e-mail from Don Smith...
>
> "Dear  Bruce ,  You  are familiar  with sparking experiment and 
two
> capacitor plates ,  next  step is placing an  ungrounded 
transformer
> nearby in the  associated resonate  magnetic  flux  field ,  it 
can 
> one or several transformers ,  this is  Device  One 
http://altenergy-
> pro.com   from  my website .  This  arangengement  makes multiple 
> exact  copies of  the  flux  field  present which  is much  greater
> than the  electrical  input  due to  ambient energy  incorporated
> into the  resonate  magnetic  flux field being  generated .  Test
the
> output at  the  ungrounded  seperate  transformers .  I  hope this
> will  help .      Regards ,  Don  Smith"
>
>
> What if Don is correct and that the energy is actually being pumped
> out of the ambient energy field of the planet? It is an interesting
> thought and once group members build their own prototypes we can
all
> explore this possibility.
>
> I have asked Don to join our group because it is right up his ally
> what we are doing with radiant energy.
>
>                -Bruce P.
>

--- End forwarded message ---









#15256 From: Warren Rekow <w.rekow@...>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [intalek] FW: Re: A message from Don Smith
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Bill, please explain more why it will be "game over" in September. Are
you saying that you have been told to stop work, or that your work will
continue in a non-public domain, or something else?
Warren Rekow


On Dec 1, 2005, at 12:39 PM, Doctor Whodini wrote:

Bruce,
 
The place where I'm at in my research and development is the same place
where everything goes into Black Ops.
 
We have until September 2006. Its "game over" after this point.
 
Bill

#15257 From: "Doctor Whodini" <doctor_whodini01@...>
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2005 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: [radiant_energy] Freq. of the spark
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Gene,

The Schumann Resonance is one interpretation of what I call the "Telluric
Potential". It could be a combination of atmospheric and Earth generated
frequency. However, this frequecy is definitely NOT sinusoidal, but a
"chirp", and its exact nature of creation is a bit of a puzzle to me. Some
may call this a "scalar" effect:
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/ScalarWave_meyl.pdf

" ... Based on the effect back on the transmitter that Tesla sees, Tesla has
found the resonance of the earth and that lies, according to his
measurement, at 12 Hz. Since the Schumann resonance of a wave, which goes
with the speed of light, lies at 7.8 Hz, however, Tesla comes to the
conclusion that his wave has 1.5 times the speed of light (Tesla, 1905).
..."

Meyl goes on:
"... The discovery of Tesla radiation is denied and isn’t mentioned in the
textbooks
anymore. For this there are two reasons: ..."

As I mentioned before, EVERYTHING at this point enters Black Ops!

We're left with the Hutchison Effect.

Bill


> -----Original Message-----
> From: doctor_whodini [mailto:doctor_whodini01@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:53 PM
> To: doctor_whodini01@...
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [radiant_energy] Freq. of the spark
>
>
> --- In radiant_energy@yahoogroups.com, bellerian1@c... wrote:
>
> I presume telluric potential is the same as resonating the ionosphere
> at the schumann resonances to tap the same.   This is pretty simple
> to do with a 555 IC and some pots for the R positions.  The
> interesting note about the transformers has peaked my interest as
> they are not physically attached...   Presuming the transformers are
> capable of coupling with the radiant flux this seems it should
> work... this would work much better though if we used pancake coils
> to do away with needing to frequency match the output.  My 2 cents
> anyways...
>
> Gene
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> Bruce
>
>   What I understand, when the lightning strikes it travel up and down
> 20,000 times per second.
>
>   How much do you think the average freq. of the Spark ?
>
>   Ismael
>
>
>
>
>
> doctor_whodini <doctor_whodini01@i...> wrote:
>   Bruce,
>
> There's one catch. His sparking system has to be in synchronization
> with the Telluric Potential. Otherwise, he won't get this
> amplification effect. Once he gets this effect, the idea is to phase
> lock to it at this rate.
>
> I'm presently working on a system that will do this.
>
> Bill
>
>
> --- In radiant_energy@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce A. Perreault"
> <bap@n...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > I just received this e-mail from Don Smith...
> >
> > "Dear  Bruce ,  You  are familiar  with sparking experiment and
> two
> > capacitor plates ,  next  step is placing an  ungrounded
> transformer
> > nearby in the  associated resonate  magnetic  flux  field ,  it
> can
> > one or several transformers ,  this is  Device  One
> http://altenergy-
> > pro.com   from  my website .  This  arangengement  makes multiple
> > exact  copies of  the  flux  field  present which  is much  greater
> > than the  electrical  input  due to  ambient energy  incorporated
> > into the  resonate  magnetic  flux field being  generated .  Test
> the
> > output at  the  ungrounded  seperate  transformers .  I  hope this
> > will  help .      Regards ,  Don  Smith"
> >
> >
> > What if Don is correct and that the energy is actually being pumped
> > out of the ambient energy field of the planet? It is an interesting
> > thought and once group members build their own prototypes we can
> all
> > explore this possibility.
> >
> > I have asked Don to join our group because it is right up his ally
> > what we are doing with radiant energy.
> >
> >                -Bruce P.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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