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#30 From: Paul A <paul_in_wellington@...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 2:04 pm
Subject: Re:Lunch on Wednesday - barriers to uptake of EVs 		paul_in_well...
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Hi,
    Also at the time we had this meeting a promotion for the Climate Action Day, being held on saturday 8 Dec (Noon onwards) in the Wellington Civic Centre, was underway at Midland park so we parked up the "SynECO Voyager" 4kw peak MotorBike  in Midland park to give organisers,  Nigel T and the other promoters a draw card for promoting the Climate Action Day festival.
 
 I wont be there as I am in Xianmen,China seeing the Lithium powered eMOPED's and Motorbikes  soon to be on  the New Zealand market.
 
 You should hopefully see an example of one of these awesome machines at the
Climate Action Day Festival on Saturday ....
 So pop into the Wellington Civic Square after Midday Saturday 8th December
and take a look and register your interest in a  free demonstration ride.
 
 And if you keen register your interest in placing an order against the next shipment before they are all sold out!!    
 
regards,
 
Paul Arnold
 
SynECO Systems
 


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#29 From: Jörn Scherzer <joern.scherzer@...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 6:30 am
Subject: RE: Lunch on Wednesday - barriers to uptake of EVs 		joern.scherzer@...
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Tim et al

 

Your point 5 is interesting.

 

I note that there may actually be a potential, or perhaps need, to introduce a project-type mechanism into NZ which could work in conjunction with the proposed NZ ETS.

 

The ETS as it stands is not really designed to achieve large emission reductions within NZ. This is not itself a problem but it would be useful to identifying further measures to ensure a cost-effective supply of NZ Units resulting from reductions in domestic gross emissions. This could be done by some kind of project type mechanism, perhaps similar to the PRE mechanism that the government ran. However, this should be focused on the transport and household sector. For instance, if a company implemented certain measures in its housing estate resulting in a measurable amount of emission reductions, they could get a credit for it. In a way this is where the voluntary carbon market sector may be heading (recall the workshop recently on this where this possibility was raised, or recall the efficient light bulb where it notes on the package that all carbon savings from the use of the bulb accrues to the company selling them).

 

So ideally the government could encourage this by making it possible to earn such credits (for avoided emissions) – which of course would need to be certified, etc, in a way similar to the JI or CDM mechanism under the Kyoto Protocol. However, it appears that the govt at this stage is reluctant to do anything in that direction (according to a discussion I had with Murray Ward recently) and the current policies do not allow anything like that so the only way to do it would be through the voluntary carbon market.

 

In any case, I am not sure whether meridian has looked at that, but I could imagine that there is some potential in this, e.g. by replacing normal cars with electric cars, they could get carbon credits which could be tradable like any other credit. This may (1) further encourage the use/development of such vehicles AND (2) supply ETS credits within NZ, i.e. domestic emission reductions.

 

Roland Sapsford from EDS has apparently done some work on this, so it may be worth looking at more closely.

 

Lastly, does anybody know more about the Meridian EV trial, when, where, how, who, etc.?

 

Cheers

Joern

 

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From: nzeva@yahoogroups.com [mailto:nzeva@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timjones@...
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:38 PM
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nzeva] Lunch on Wednesday - barriers to uptake of EVs

 

Dear All,

Paul, Richard and I had lunch on Wednesday and talked of many things
relating to EVs. We discussed barriers that stand in the way of the
increased uptake of EVs (in the context of electric motorbikes and
electric cars), and also had a suggestion for this group for next year.
The wording is mine - Paul and Richard, please correct this as needed!

Regards
Tim Jones

Barriers

(1) Consumer ignorance - e.g. the "received wisdom" that EVs are
unreliable, slow, very short range etc. The Meridian trial next year
should help to address these issues, but workshops for the general public,
car and motorbike dealers etc. may also be needed. (Many people want to
stick to what they know - i.e. internal combustion engines - and there's a
psychological barrier to overcome before they will take EVs seriously.)

(2) Charging points. Although people can recharge at home, consumers feel
more confident in using EVs (bikes or cars) if there are public recharging
points. SynEco's bikes can be recharged from standard three-pin plugs.
Suggestion: these should be made available at council bike parks (e.g., in
Wellington, at Midland Park). Also, since pay-and-display ticketing
machines require electricity, maybe car recharging points could be
provided in conjunction with these? The key question is: who pays for and
installs these?

(3) Attitude of LTNZ vehicle certifiers. Some of them are fine, others,
again, want to stick to what they know, and that doesn't include EVs!
Ignorance and/or hostility to dealing with EVs (whether imported, or
conversions from IC cars) are not uncommon. For imported EVs, having a
good relationship with the manufacturer is crucial for the importer - e.g.
when LTNZ asks questions, being able to get answers promptly from the
manufacturer.

(4) Warranty issues for vehicle manufacturers with EV conversions.

(5) Carbon credits. It would help to bring down costs of EVs if the
manufacturer/converter/importer could claim carbon credits - presumably
for foregone emissions. Will this be do-able under NZ legislation? (I
can't see why not, but would like your opinion - could you post something
directly to the NZEVA list about this?)

I checked this out with a Ministry official who's in a position to know,
who told me that there is no existing legislation or project mechanism
that would 'give' Kyoto compliant credits to someone for
manufacturing/converting/ choosing to import a low/ zero carbon vehicle
instead of an IC car.

However, there have been informal discussions with industry around a Sales
Weighted Fuel Economy Standard. If this was to progress further then it
would certainly recognise those importing EVs in (ie the lower CO2
emissions), but its unsure how or whether cars converted within NZ from IC
to EV would be included.

For next year

We discussed the idea of holding a workshop (say, a day) next year so that
interested parties can get together and discuss the issues at more length,
and with more participant input, that occurred at the SEF EV seminar.
Who'd be interested?

Regards
Tim


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#28 From: timjones@...
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 5:37 am
Subject: Lunch on Wednesday - barriers to uptake of EVs 		senjmito
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Dear All,

Paul, Richard and I had lunch on Wednesday and talked of many things
relating to EVs. We discussed barriers that stand in the way of the
increased uptake of EVs (in the context of electric motorbikes and
electric cars), and also had a suggestion for this group for next year.
The wording is mine - Paul and Richard, please correct this as needed!

Regards
Tim Jones

Barriers

(1) Consumer ignorance - e.g. the "received wisdom" that EVs are
unreliable, slow, very short range etc. The Meridian trial next year
should help to address these issues, but workshops for the general public,
car and motorbike dealers etc. may also be needed. (Many people want to
stick to what they know - i.e. internal combustion engines - and there's a
psychological barrier to overcome before they will take EVs seriously.)

(2) Charging points. Although people can recharge at home, consumers feel
more confident in using EVs (bikes or cars) if there are public recharging
points. SynEco's bikes can be recharged from standard three-pin plugs.
Suggestion: these should be made available at council bike parks (e.g., in
Wellington, at Midland Park). Also, since pay-and-display ticketing
machines require electricity, maybe car recharging points could be
provided in conjunction with these? The key question is: who pays for and
installs these?

(3) Attitude of LTNZ vehicle certifiers. Some of them are fine, others,
again, want to stick to what they know, and that doesn't include EVs!
Ignorance and/or hostility to dealing with EVs (whether imported, or
conversions from IC cars) are not uncommon. For imported EVs, having a
good relationship with the manufacturer is crucial for the importer - e.g.
when LTNZ asks questions, being able to get answers promptly from the
manufacturer.

(4) Warranty issues for vehicle manufacturers with EV conversions.

(5) Carbon credits. It would help to bring down costs of EVs if the
manufacturer/converter/importer could claim carbon credits - presumably
for foregone emissions. Will this be do-able under NZ legislation? (I
can't see why not, but would like your opinion - could you post something
directly to the NZEVA list about this?)

I checked this out with a Ministry official who's in a position to know,
who told me that there is no existing legislation or project mechanism
that would 'give' Kyoto compliant credits to someone for
manufacturing/converting/ choosing to import a low/ zero carbon vehicle
instead of an IC car.

However, there have been informal discussions with industry around a Sales
Weighted Fuel Economy Standard. If this was to progress further then it
would certainly recognise those importing EVs in (ie the lower CO2
emissions), but its unsure how or whether cars converted within NZ from IC
to EV would be included.


For next year

We discussed the idea of holding a workshop (say, a day) next year so that
interested parties can get together and discuss the issues at more length,
and with more participant input, that occurred at the SEF EV seminar.
Who'd be interested?

Regards
Tim

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#27 From: "paul_in_wellington" <paul_in_wellington@...>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2007 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		paul_in_well...
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PS The 98km/hr was with PbA ....When fitted with the
Lithium Power Modules it will easily fly above 100km/hr
with half the weight and Lithium's High current levels!!

--- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, "paul_in_wellington"
<paul_in_wellington@...> wrote:
>
> There is Demo model in Auckland that can do 85km/hr.
> ( 80 km/hr is Motorway legal)
>
> Amd I expect to see one this week that has completed  protoype testing
> that has clocked 98km/hr.
>
> The  production rather then prototype under test should do 100km/hr.
>
> So watch this space!!!...:)
>
> Paul
> SynECO systems
>
> HTTP://www.eVEHICLE.co.nz
>
> --- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, "Baillie" <baillie@> wrote:
> >
> > Let me know when you have a scooter that can ride on the Auckland
> motorways
> > without being rear ended by aggressive truck drivers or boy racers.
> >
> > That means being capable of at least 100km/h.
> >
> > Then I can get off my 200cc Vespa.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Russell
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: nzeva@yahoogroups.com [mailto:nzeva@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> > paul_in_wellington
> > Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2007 12:53 a.m.
> > To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [nzeva] Re: Kiwi EVs
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard,
> > Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
> > and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.
> >
> > http://www.eVehicle <http://www.eVehicle.co.nz> .co.nz
> >
> > Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
> > Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
> > stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
> > of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles
> >
> > Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
> > and our discussion on next shipment of our New eMotorBike that has
> > just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.
> >
> > Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
> > and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around
there.
> >
> > Paul Arnold
> >
> > Managing Director
> >
> > SynECO Systems
> >
> > http://www.eVehicle <http://www.eVehicle.co.nz> .co.nz
> >
> > (04) 568-5824
> > (027) 712 5377
> >
> > --- In nzeva@yahoogroups. <mailto:nzeva%40yahoogroups.com> com,
richard
> > bacon <dickieb68@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
> > >
> > > I am working on starting an electric vehicle
> > conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have some
> > knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
> > advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
> > obstacles between me and my vision.
> > >
> > > 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
> > >
> > > Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
> > > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
> > http://mobile.
> > <http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ>
> > yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
> > >
> >
>

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#26 From: "paul_in_wellington" <paul_in_wellington@...>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2007 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		paul_in_well...
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Hi,
     Toyota have said ...IF they release the Plug-IN they are
trialling..to the the US market that NZ can expect to wait Three-FIVE
years after that!!

  Do you have a PRIUS you want to convert...NOW!!! ?
Or would you be in the market for an upgraded PRIUS...

Please contact me for detail discussion....
if you you require a PRIUS Plug-IN upgrade soon..!!!!

regards,

Paul
SynECO Systems

http://www.evWORLD.co.nz

Your Sustainable FUTURE...Available NOW!!



--- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, Peter Olorenshaw <petero@...> wrote:
>
> Nice Website Paul, but how long will we have to wait to be able to buy
> plug in hybrids?  Do you sell converted Prius's? (converted to be
> pluginable and with bigger batteries for bigger range)
> Peter
> On 2/12/2007, at 12:52 AM, paul_in_wellington wrote:
>
> > Richard,
> >  Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
> >  and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.
> >
> > http://www.eVehicle.co.nz
> >
> >  Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
> >  Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
> >  stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
> >  of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles
> >
> >  Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
> >  and our discussion on next shipment of our New eMotorBike that has
> >  just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.
> >
> >  Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
> >  and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around
> > there.
> >
> >  Paul Arnold
> >
> >  Managing Director
> >
> >  SynECO Systems
> >
> > http://www.eVehicle.co.nz
> >
> >  (04) 568-5824
> >  (027) 712 5377
> >
> >  --- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, richard bacon <dickieb68@> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
> >  >
> >  > I am working on starting an electric vehicle
> >  conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have
some
> >  knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
> >  advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
> >  obstacles between me and my vision.
> >  >
> >  > 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
> >  >
> >  > Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
> >  >
> >  > Cheers,
> >  > Richard
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  __________________________________________________________
> >  > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
> >  > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
> >  >
> >
> >
>
> Peter Olorenshaw  Architect
> 10 Ralphine Way,  Maitai Valley, Nelson,  Aotearoa /New Zealand,
> Planet Earth
> tel./fax  0-3 - 546 6176 any time,  mobile 027 - 628 1686,  e-mail
> petero@...
> Member of :
> ISES-International Solar Energy Society,  EBANZ-Earth Building
> Association of NZ,  AUSBALE-Australasian Strawbale Assn.,  NZIA-New
> Zealand Institute of Architects
>

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#25 From: "paul_in_wellington" <paul_in_wellington@...>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2007 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		paul_in_well...
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There is Demo model in Auckland that can do 85km/hr.
( 80 km/hr is Motorway legal)

Amd I expect to see one this week that has completed  protoype testing
that has clocked 98km/hr.

The  production rather then prototype under test should do 100km/hr.

So watch this space!!!...:)

Paul
SynECO systems

HTTP://www.eVEHICLE.co.nz

--- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, "Baillie" <baillie@...> wrote:
>
> Let me know when you have a scooter that can ride on the Auckland
motorways
> without being rear ended by aggressive truck drivers or boy racers.
>
> That means being capable of at least 100km/h.
>
> Then I can get off my 200cc Vespa.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Russell
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: nzeva@yahoogroups.com [mailto:nzeva@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> paul_in_wellington
> Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2007 12:53 a.m.
> To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [nzeva] Re: Kiwi EVs
>
>
>
> Richard,
> Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
> and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.
>
> http://www.eVehicle <http://www.eVehicle.co.nz> .co.nz
>
> Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
> Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
> stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
> of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles
>
> Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
> and our discussion on next shipment of our New eMotorBike that has
> just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.
>
> Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
> and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around there.
>
> Paul Arnold
>
> Managing Director
>
> SynECO Systems
>
> http://www.eVehicle <http://www.eVehicle.co.nz> .co.nz
>
> (04) 568-5824
> (027) 712 5377
>
> --- In nzeva@yahoogroups. <mailto:nzeva%40yahoogroups.com> com, richard
> bacon <dickieb68@> wrote:
> >
> > This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
> >
> > I am working on starting an electric vehicle
> conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have some
> knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
> advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
> obstacles between me and my vision.
> >
> > 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
> >
> > Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________
> > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
> > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile.
> <http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ>
> yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
> >
>

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#24 From: "Baillie" <baillie@...>
Date: Mon Dec 3, 2007 9:42 am
Subject: RE: Re: Kiwi EVs 		russelltheworm
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Let me know when you have a scooter that can ride on the Auckland motorways without being rear ended by aggressive truck drivers or boy racers.

That means being capable of at least 100km/h.

Then I can get off my 200cc Vespa.

 

Regards

Russell

 

From: nzeva@yahoogroups.com [mailto:nzeva@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of paul_in_wellington
Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2007 12:53 a.m.
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nzeva] Re: Kiwi EVs

 

Richard,
Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.

http://www.eVehicle.co.nz

Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles

Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
and our discussion on next shipment of our New eMotorBike that has
just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.

Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around there.

Paul Arnold

Managing Director

SynECO Systems

http://www.eVehicle.co.nz

(04) 568-5824
(027) 712 5377

--- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, richard bacon <dickieb68@...> wrote:
>
> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
> I am working on starting an electric vehicle
conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have some
knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
obstacles between me and my vision.
>
> 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________________
> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
>


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#23 From: Peter Olorenshaw <petero@...>
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2007 7:07 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kiwi EVs 		polorenshaw
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Nice Website Paul, but how long will we have to wait to be able to buy
plug in hybrids?  Do you sell converted Prius's? (converted to be
pluginable and with bigger batteries for bigger range)
Peter
On 2/12/2007, at 12:52 AM, paul_in_wellington wrote:

> Richard,
>  Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
>  and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.
>
> http://www.eVehicle.co.nz
>
>  Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
>  Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
>  stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
>  of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles
>
>  Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
>  and our discussion on next shipment of our New eMotorBike that has
>  just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.
>
>  Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
>  and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around
> there.
>
>  Paul Arnold
>
>  Managing Director
>
>  SynECO Systems
>
> http://www.eVehicle.co.nz
>
>  (04) 568-5824
>  (027) 712 5377
>
>  --- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, richard bacon <dickieb68@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>  >
>  > I am working on starting an electric vehicle
>  conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have some
>  knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
>  advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
>  obstacles between me and my vision.
>  >
>  > 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>  >
>  > Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Richard
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  __________________________________________________________
>  > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
>  > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
>  >
>
>

Peter Olorenshaw  Architect
10 Ralphine Way,  Maitai Valley, Nelson,  Aotearoa /New Zealand,
Planet Earth
tel./fax  0-3 - 546 6176 any time,  mobile 027 - 628 1686,  e-mail
petero@...
Member of :
ISES-International Solar Energy Society,  EBANZ-Earth Building
Association of NZ,  AUSBALE-Australasian Strawbale Assn.,  NZIA-New
Zealand Institute of Architects

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#22 From: "paul_in_wellington" <paul_in_wellington@...>
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2007 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		paul_in_well...
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Tim,
       OK ..will try and make along between packing..
before leaving.
Hope to bring my EV along this time...Now it is
completed Compliance and certification and
fully Legal on NZ Roads.

Here it is  ..
http://www.evworld.co.nz/products/voyager/

Look forward to catching up with you all

Paul

SynECO Systems

http://www.eVehicle.co.nz

Your Sustainable Future......Available NOW!!!


--- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, timjones@... wrote:
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> Richard and I are meeting for lunch at 12.30pm on Wednesday this week at
> Clark's Cafe (mezzanine floor, Wellington Public Library). It would be
> good to meet you there too - and anyone else from the group who wants to
> come along.
>
> Regards
> Tim
>
>
> > Richard,
> >              Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
> > and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.
> >
> > http://www.eVehicle.co.nz
> >
> > Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
> > Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
> > stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
> > of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles
> >
> >  Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
> > and our discussion on next shipment of our New  eMotorBike that has
> > just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.
> >
> > Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
> > and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around
there.
> >
> > Paul Arnold
> >
> > Managing Director
> >
> > SynECO Systems
> >
> > http://www.eVehicle.co.nz
> >
> > (04) 568-5824
> > (027) 712 5377
> >
> >
> > --- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, richard bacon <dickieb68@> wrote:
> >>
> >> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
> >>
> >> I am working on starting an electric vehicle
> > conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have some
> > knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
> > advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
> > obstacles between me and my vision.
> >>
> >>        'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
> >>
> >> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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#21 From: richard bacon <dickieb68@...>
Date: Sun Dec 2, 2007 6:52 am
Subject: Re: Re: Kiwi EVs 		dickieb68
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As Tim said...
see you Wednesday.
 
Cheers,
Richard


----- Original Message ----
From: "timjones@..." <timjones@...>
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 8:21:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nzeva] Re: Kiwi EVs

Dear Paul,

Richard and I are meeting for lunch at 12.30pm on Wednesday this week at
Clark's Cafe (mezzanine floor, Wellington Public Library). It would be
good to meet you there too - and anyone else from the group who wants to
come along.

Regards
Tim

> Richard,
> Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
> and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.
>
> http://www.eVehicle .co.nz
>
> Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
> Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
> stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
> of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles
>
> Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
> and our discussion on next shipment of our New eMotorBike that has
> just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.
>
> Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
> and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around there.
>
> Paul Arnold
>
> Managing Director
>
> SynECO Systems
>
> http://www.eVehicle .co.nz
>
> (04) 568-5824
> (027) 712 5377
>
>
> --- In nzeva@yahoogroups. com, richard bacon <dickieb68@. ..> wrote:
>>
>> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>>
>> I am working on starting an electric vehicle
> conversion/manufact uring company in the Wellington region. I have some
> knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
> advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
> obstacles between me and my vision.
>>
>> 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>>
>> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
>> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile. yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt= At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G 1SQtBI7ntAcJ
>>
>
>
>



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#20 From: timjones@...
Date: Sat Dec 1, 2007 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kiwi EVs 		senjmito
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Dear Paul,

Richard and I are meeting for lunch at 12.30pm on Wednesday this week at
Clark's Cafe (mezzanine floor, Wellington Public Library). It would be
good to meet you there too - and anyone else from the group who wants to
come along.

Regards
Tim


> Richard,
>              Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
> and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.
>
> http://www.eVehicle.co.nz
>
> Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
> Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
> stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
> of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles
>
>  Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
> and our discussion on next shipment of our New  eMotorBike that has
> just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.
>
> Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
> and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around there.
>
> Paul Arnold
>
> Managing Director
>
> SynECO Systems
>
> http://www.eVehicle.co.nz
>
> (04) 568-5824
> (027) 712 5377
>
>
> --- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, richard bacon <dickieb68@...> wrote:
>>
>> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>>
>> I am working on starting an electric vehicle
> conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have some
> knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
> advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
> obstacles between me and my vision.
>>
>>        'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>>
>> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________\
____
>> Be a better sports nut!  Let your teams follow you
>> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
>>
>
>
>

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#19 From: "paul_in_wellington" <paul_in_wellington@...>
Date: Sat Dec 1, 2007 11:52 am
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		paul_in_well...
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Richard,
              Would be keen to meet you and discuss your "Vision"
and ours also...... at SynECO Systems.

http://www.eVehicle.co.nz

Would need to be before Thursday as I leave on
Wednesday evening for HK and China to assist with final
stage of assembly and QC inspection of our next shipment
of Lithium powered electric BLDC hub Vehicles

  Willl also be testing some of our latest prototypes in development
and our discussion on next shipment of our New  eMotorBike that has
just completed LTNZ Compliance and Certification.

Look carefully around the Climate Action day in civic centre
and you may see some of our customers with there vehicles around there.

Paul Arnold

Managing Director

SynECO Systems

http://www.eVehicle.co.nz

(04) 568-5824
(027) 712 5377


--- In nzeva@yahoogroups.com, richard bacon <dickieb68@...> wrote:
>
> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
> I am working on starting an electric vehicle
conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have some
knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and
advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other
obstacles between me and my vision.
>
>        'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________\
____
> Be a better sports nut!  Let your teams follow you
> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
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#18 From: "Steve Goldthorpe" <Steve.Goldthorpe@...>
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:27 am
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		stephen_gold...
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Oops.
 
Graeme Swan's letter was on Thursday Nov 29th on Page A20.
 
Steve
 
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25 St Mary's Road, Waipu 0510
Phone/fax 09 432 0532
Mobile 0274 849764
Steve.Goldthorpe@...
Waipu.Wanderers@...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nzeva] Kiwi EVs

Hi guys,
 
There was a letter in the Herald on Wednesday this week from a person called Graeme Swan of Sunnynook (on North Shore) promoting the electric car concept.  I tried to identify him from the phone book to invite him to join our discussions, but I only got a wrong number.  Does anyone know of him?
 
Regards
 
Steve
 
Steve Goldthorpe Energy Analyst Ltd
PO Box 96, Waipu 0545
Waipu Wanderers World Traveller's Accommodation
25 St Mary's Road, Waipu 0510
Phone/fax 09 432 0532
Mobile 0274 849764
Steve.Goldthorpe@...
Waipu.Wanderers@...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nzeva] Kiwi EVs

The wikipedia article is growing and becoming quite a good general intro.

The multinational collaboration is well illustrated by Tesla, LiIon cells mass produced in Asia, Body manufactured in UK by Lotus, Control and Vehicle Assembly in US by Tesla themselves..

Manufacturing a chassis/body locally would involve a great deal of investment in design, plant, certification etc. This would offset most of the gains from a light cheap material I feel.

My plans are to ustilise as many commodity parts as possible to keep costs down, form partnerships with manufacturers or dealers to obtain road legal chassis and manufacture any missing parts locally (probably mounting plates and driveshaft/gearbox connectors).

Perhaps controller technology, BMS and/or charging could be sourced from University and quickly turned into a production unit?

Is anyone free for lunch on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday next week (4th-6th)?
 
Cheers,
Richard


----- Original Message ----
From: Ian Goldsmith <i_goldsmith@...>
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:16:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nzeva] Kiwi EVs

http://en.wikibooks .org/wiki/ Electric_ vehicle_conversi on

There was another person up in the Wellington region who looking at similar areas.
I was in at Canterbury University last week. There are quite a few people there who are interested in EVs. Obviously they have had their EV programme going for a while. I wonder too whether an enlightened way of having industry-university /polytechnic co-operation and partnership might be to get all the students and staff with interest in this kind of area to chip in and collaborate.

What future is there for light and robust fibres? Can a car emerge that is simple, strong, cheap and trendy?

Obviously cars can be designed to meet local conditions. Collaborations occur internationally too whereby cars are designed in one country and made in another. I read in the most recent Time magazine edition that the Compressed Air Technology Car is to get a big collaboration with India. I think that that one is a French connection.

Was it hemp that Henry Ford invested in with his fibres? Can a vehicle take off ( via whatever means ) that is not only lighter but stronger?

timjones@actrix. co.nz wrote:

Dear Richard,

Yes, I'd be interested. If a few of us got together, it would also be an
opportunity to share ideas on what we want the NZEVA, or at least this
list, to do.

Regards
Tim

> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
> I am working on starting an electric vehicle conversion/manufact uring
> company in the Wellington region. I have some knowledge of how to go about
> this technically, but I need help and advice with logistics, compliance,
> funding and the myriad other obstacles between me and my vision.
>
> 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile. yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt= At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G 1SQtBI7ntAcJ


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#17 From: "Steve Goldthorpe" <Steve.Goldthorpe@...>
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:54 am
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		stephen_gold...
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Hi guys,
 
There was a letter in the Herald on Wednesday this week from a person called Graeme Swan of Sunnynook (on North Shore) promoting the electric car concept.  I tried to identify him from the phone book to invite him to join our discussions, but I only got a wrong number.  Does anyone know of him?
 
Regards
 
Steve
 
Steve Goldthorpe Energy Analyst Ltd
PO Box 96, Waipu 0545
Waipu Wanderers World Traveller's Accommodation
25 St Mary's Road, Waipu 0510
Phone/fax 09 432 0532
Mobile 0274 849764
Steve.Goldthorpe@...
Waipu.Wanderers@...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nzeva] Kiwi EVs

The wikipedia article is growing and becoming quite a good general intro.

The multinational collaboration is well illustrated by Tesla, LiIon cells mass produced in Asia, Body manufactured in UK by Lotus, Control and Vehicle Assembly in US by Tesla themselves..

Manufacturing a chassis/body locally would involve a great deal of investment in design, plant, certification etc. This would offset most of the gains from a light cheap material I feel.

My plans are to ustilise as many commodity parts as possible to keep costs down, form partnerships with manufacturers or dealers to obtain road legal chassis and manufacture any missing parts locally (probably mounting plates and driveshaft/gearbox connectors).

Perhaps controller technology, BMS and/or charging could be sourced from University and quickly turned into a production unit?

Is anyone free for lunch on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday next week (4th-6th)?
 
Cheers,
Richard


----- Original Message ----
From: Ian Goldsmith <i_goldsmith@...>
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:16:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nzeva] Kiwi EVs

http://en.wikibooks .org/wiki/ Electric_ vehicle_conversi on

There was another person up in the Wellington region who looking at similar areas.
I was in at Canterbury University last week. There are quite a few people there who are interested in EVs. Obviously they have had their EV programme going for a while. I wonder too whether an enlightened way of having industry-university /polytechnic co-operation and partnership might be to get all the students and staff with interest in this kind of area to chip in and collaborate.

What future is there for light and robust fibres? Can a car emerge that is simple, strong, cheap and trendy?

Obviously cars can be designed to meet local conditions. Collaborations occur internationally too whereby cars are designed in one country and made in another. I read in the most recent Time magazine edition that the Compressed Air Technology Car is to get a big collaboration with India. I think that that one is a French connection.

Was it hemp that Henry Ford invested in with his fibres? Can a vehicle take off ( via whatever means ) that is not only lighter but stronger?

timjones@actrix. co.nz wrote:

Dear Richard,

Yes, I'd be interested. If a few of us got together, it would also be an
opportunity to share ideas on what we want the NZEVA, or at least this
list, to do.

Regards
Tim

> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
> I am working on starting an electric vehicle conversion/manufact uring
> company in the Wellington region. I have some knowledge of how to go about
> this technically, but I need help and advice with logistics, compliance,
> funding and the myriad other obstacles between me and my vision.
>
> 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile. yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt= At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G 1SQtBI7ntAcJ


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#16 From: Ian Goldsmith <i_goldsmith@...>
Date: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:09 am
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		i_goldsmith
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Thanks Richard

There is also someone called Aaron Evans who might be interested in attending your meeting. I've written to him. He and I were talking about EVs quite a while back and he is Wellington based and was quite keen.

Good on you for this.

I am very interested in your enterprise.

The plastics area is interesting for some other time. ( I've just found a book called 'Green Plastics.' by E.S.Stevens who is a professor of Chemistry, which seems curious - it indicates serious thinking on other means)
Perhaps there are many different ways of going about things. Anything happening for now sounds good.
Perhaps some other areas that are complementary could be for later for you as you go with what is at your fingertips for now.

I can see that there are a lot of specialist EV discussion groups happening internationally.
The Wellington Public Library has a good collection of EV books.

I'm currently in Dunedin but would be interested in knowing of assistance for you on this.
I think that a lot of people would be keen to assist you. Aaron has had similar thinking in terms of wanting something happening and has wanted to be involved with practical aspects.
I will be up in January. Perhaps we can localise any difficulties and fast track via group work.

If you take notes of your meeting too, then perhaps you could report back to others who are keen and interested in supporting your venture and perhaps it could serve as a prompt to to further ventures that coincide and are complementary that you and others could get involved with, or prop up as the EV culture takes off. There could be a lot happening in parallel that we all get involved with who are interested, and cross-fertilise on collectively and co-operatively.

This aspect of international co-operation is very exciting, as is the local initiative that has a practical hands on component.

kind regards

Ian

timjones@... wrote:

Dear Richard,

I'm free on Wednesday, as long as it's somewhere downtown.

Regards
Tim

> The wikipedia article is growing and becoming quite a good general intro.
>
> The multinational collaboration is well illustrated by Tesla, LiIon cells
> mass produced in Asia, Body manufactured in UK by Lotus, Control and
> Vehicle Assembly in US by Tesla themselves..
>
> Manufacturing a chassis/body locally would involve a great deal of
> investment in design, plant, certification etc. This would offset most of
> the gains from a light cheap material I feel.
>
> My plans are to ustilise as many commodity parts as possible to keep costs
> down, form partnerships with manufacturers or dealers to obtain road legal
> chassis and manufacture any missing parts locally (probably mounting
> plates and driveshaft/gearbox connectors).
>
> Perhaps controller technology, BMS and/or charging could be sourced from
> University and quickly turned into a production unit?
>
> Is anyone free for lunch on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday next week
> (4th-6th)?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ian Goldsmith <i_goldsmith@paradise.net.nz>
> To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:16:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [nzeva] Kiwi EVs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://en.wikibooks .org/wiki/ Electric_ vehicle_conversi on
>
>
>
> There was another person up in the Wellington region who looking at
> similar areas.
>
> I was in at Canterbury University last week. There are quite a few
> people there who are interested in EVs. Obviously they have had their
> EV programme going for a while. I wonder too whether an enlightened way
> of having industry-university /polytechnic co-operation and partnership
> might be to get all the students and staff with interest in this kind
> of area to chip in and collaborate.
>
>
>
> What future is there for light and robust fibres? Can a car emerge that
> is simple, strong, cheap and trendy?
>
>
>
> Obviously cars can be designed to meet local conditions. Collaborations
> occur internationally too whereby cars are designed in one country and
> made in another. I read in the most recent Time magazine edition that
> the Compressed Air Technology Car is to get a big collaboration with
> India. I think that that one is a French connection.
>
>
>
> Was it hemp that Henry Ford invested in with his fibres? Can a vehicle
> take off ( via whatever means ) that is not only lighter but stronger?
>
>
>
> timjones@actrix. co.nz wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Richard,
>
>
>
> Yes, I'd be interested. If a few of us got together, it would also be an
>
> opportunity to share ideas on what we want the NZEVA, or at least this
>
> list, to do.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
>>
>
>> I am working on starting an electric vehicle conversion/manufact uring
>
>> company in the Wellington region. I have some knowledge of how to
> go about
>
>> this technically, but I need help and advice with logistics,
> compliance,
>
>> funding and the myriad other obstacles between me and my vision.
>
>>
>
>> 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
>>
>
>> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
>>
>
>> Cheers,
>
>> Richard
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
>> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you
>
>> with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.
>
>> http://mobile. yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt= At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G 1SQtBI7ntAcJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#15 From: timjones@...
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		senjmito
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Dear Richard,

I'm free on Wednesday, as long as it's somewhere downtown.

Regards
Tim

> The wikipedia article is growing and becoming quite a good general intro.
>
> The multinational collaboration is well illustrated by Tesla, LiIon cells
> mass produced in Asia, Body manufactured in UK by Lotus, Control and
> Vehicle Assembly in US by Tesla themselves..
>
> Manufacturing a chassis/body locally would involve a great deal of
> investment in design, plant, certification etc. This would offset most of
> the gains from a light cheap material I feel.
>
> My plans are to ustilise as many commodity parts as possible to keep costs
> down, form partnerships with manufacturers or dealers to obtain road legal
> chassis and manufacture any missing parts locally (probably mounting
> plates and driveshaft/gearbox connectors).
>
> Perhaps controller technology, BMS and/or charging could be sourced from
> University and quickly turned into a production unit?
>
> Is anyone free for lunch on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday next week
> (4th-6th)?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ian Goldsmith <i_goldsmith@...>
> To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:16:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [nzeva] Kiwi EVs
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://en.wikibooks .org/wiki/ Electric_ vehicle_conversi on
>
>
>
> There was another person up in the Wellington region who looking at
> similar areas.
>
> I was in at Canterbury University last week. There are quite a few
> people there who are interested in EVs. Obviously they have had their
> EV programme going for a while. I wonder too whether an enlightened way
> of having industry-university /polytechnic co-operation and partnership
> might be to get all the students and staff with interest in this kind
> of area to chip in and collaborate.
>
>
>
> What future is there for light and robust fibres? Can a car emerge that
> is simple, strong, cheap and trendy?
>
>
>
> Obviously cars can be designed to meet local conditions. Collaborations
> occur internationally too whereby cars are designed in one country and
> made in another. I read in the most recent Time magazine edition that
> the Compressed Air Technology Car is to get a big collaboration with
> India. I think that that one is a French connection.
>
>
>
> Was it hemp that Henry Ford invested in with his fibres? Can a vehicle
> take off ( via whatever means ) that is not only lighter but stronger?
>
>
>
> timjones@actrix. co.nz wrote:
>
>
>
>   Dear Richard,
>
>
>
> Yes, I'd be interested. If a few of us got together, it would also be an
>
> opportunity to share ideas on what we want the NZEVA, or at least this
>
> list, to do.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
>>
>
>> I am working on starting an electric vehicle conversion/manufact uring
>
>> company in the Wellington region. I have some knowledge of how to
> go about
>
>> this technically, but I need help and advice with logistics,
> compliance,
>
>> funding and the myriad other obstacles between me and my vision.
>
>>
>
>> 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
>>
>
>> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
>>
>
>> Cheers,
>
>> Richard
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
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#14 From: richard bacon <dickieb68@...>
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		dickieb68
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The wikipedia article is growing and becoming quite a good general intro.

The multinational collaboration is well illustrated by Tesla, LiIon cells mass produced in Asia, Body manufactured in UK by Lotus, Control and Vehicle Assembly in US by Tesla themselves..

Manufacturing a chassis/body locally would involve a great deal of investment in design, plant, certification etc. This would offset most of the gains from a light cheap material I feel.

My plans are to ustilise as many commodity parts as possible to keep costs down, form partnerships with manufacturers or dealers to obtain road legal chassis and manufacture any missing parts locally (probably mounting plates and driveshaft/gearbox connectors).

Perhaps controller technology, BMS and/or charging could be sourced from University and quickly turned into a production unit?

Is anyone free for lunch on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday next week (4th-6th)?
 
Cheers,
Richard


----- Original Message ----
From: Ian Goldsmith <i_goldsmith@...>
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:16:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nzeva] Kiwi EVs

http://en.wikibooks .org/wiki/ Electric_ vehicle_conversi on

There was another person up in the Wellington region who looking at similar areas.
I was in at Canterbury University last week. There are quite a few people there who are interested in EVs. Obviously they have had their EV programme going for a while. I wonder too whether an enlightened way of having industry-university /polytechnic co-operation and partnership might be to get all the students and staff with interest in this kind of area to chip in and collaborate.

What future is there for light and robust fibres? Can a car emerge that is simple, strong, cheap and trendy?

Obviously cars can be designed to meet local conditions. Collaborations occur internationally too whereby cars are designed in one country and made in another. I read in the most recent Time magazine edition that the Compressed Air Technology Car is to get a big collaboration with India. I think that that one is a French connection.

Was it hemp that Henry Ford invested in with his fibres? Can a vehicle take off ( via whatever means ) that is not only lighter but stronger?

timjones@actrix. co.nz wrote:

Dear Richard,

Yes, I'd be interested. If a few of us got together, it would also be an
opportunity to share ideas on what we want the NZEVA, or at least this
list, to do.

Regards
Tim

> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
> I am working on starting an electric vehicle conversion/manufact uring
> company in the Wellington region. I have some knowledge of how to go about
> this technically, but I need help and advice with logistics, compliance,
> funding and the myriad other obstacles between me and my vision.
>
> 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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#13 From: Ian Goldsmith <i_goldsmith@...>
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:16 pm
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http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_conversion

There was another person up in the Wellington region who looking at similar areas.
I was in at Canterbury University last week. There are quite a few people there who are interested in EVs. Obviously they have had their EV programme going for a while. I wonder too whether an enlightened way of having industry-university/polytechnic co-operation and partnership might be to get all the students and staff with interest in this kind of area to chip in and collaborate.

What future is there for light and robust fibres? Can a car emerge that is simple, strong, cheap and trendy?

Obviously cars can be designed to meet local conditions. Collaborations occur internationally too whereby cars are designed in one country and made in another. I read in the most recent Time magazine edition that the Compressed Air Technology Car is to get a big collaboration with India. I think that that one is a French connection.

Was it hemp that Henry Ford invested in with his fibres? Can a vehicle take off ( via whatever means ) that is not only lighter but stronger?

timjones@... wrote:

Dear Richard,

Yes, I'd be interested. If a few of us got together, it would also be an
opportunity to share ideas on what we want the NZEVA, or at least this
list, to do.

Regards
Tim

> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
> I am working on starting an electric vehicle conversion/manufacturing
> company in the Wellington region. I have some knowledge of how to go about
> this technically, but I need help and advice with logistics, compliance,
> funding and the myriad other obstacles between me and my vision.
>
> 'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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#12 From: timjones@...
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: Kiwi EVs 		senjmito
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Dear Richard,

Yes, I'd be interested. If a few of us got together, it would also be an
opportunity to share ideas on what we want the NZEVA, or at least this
list, to do.

Regards
Tim


> This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:
>
> I am working on starting an electric vehicle conversion/manufacturing
> company in the Wellington region. I have some knowledge of how to go about
> this technically, but I need help and advice with logistics, compliance,
> funding and the myriad other obstacles between me and my vision.
>
>        'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'
>
> Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
>
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>      
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#11 From: richard bacon <dickieb68@...>
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:32 pm
Subject: Kiwi EVs 		dickieb68
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This would seem an appropriate place to ask this:

I am working on starting an electric vehicle conversion/manufacturing company in the Wellington region. I have some knowledge of how to go about this technically, but I need help and advice with logistics, compliance, funding and the myriad other obstacles between me and my vision.

       'To be _the_ mainstream electric car supplier in New Zealand'

Would anyone like to meet up and discuss the ins and outs with me?
 
Cheers,
Richard


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#10 From: richard bacon <dickieb68@...>
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: Potential miracle 1: hydrogen from bacteria 		dickieb68
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Interesting, but the issues around the hydrogen economy are only partly to do with generating the hydrogen efficiently, the major costs are around transport and delivery infrastructure.
 
Cheers,
Richard


----- Original Message ----
From: Brent Efford <brent.efford@...>
To: "SEFnews@yahoogroups.com" <SEFnews@yahoogroups.com>; "nzeva@yahoogroups.com" <nzeva@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:43:05 AM
Subject: [nzeva] Potential miracle 1: hydrogen from bacteria

Renewably-generated electricity supplied to vehicles by overhead wires, batteries or supercapacitors remains the most efficient and climate-friendly transport available at the moment, despite the hype about hydrogen. In “Who killed the electric car?” there are five “miracles” quoted that would need to occur to make H2 viable as a transport energy carrier.  This is possibly a way forward for one of them:

hydrogen from bacteria

http://link. abpi.net/ l.php?20071127A9

 
      
Brent Efford   



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#9 From: Brent Efford <brent.efford@...>
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:43 pm
Subject: Potential miracle 1: hydrogen from bacteria 		brenteff
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Renewably-generated electricity supplied to vehicles by overhead wires, batteries or supercapacitors remains the most efficient and climate-friendly transport available at the moment, despite the hype about hydrogen. In “Who killed the electric car?” there are five “miracles” quoted that would need to occur to make H2 viable as a transport energy carrier.  This is possibly a way forward for one of them:

hydrogen from bacteria

http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20071127A9

 
      
Brent Efford   

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#8 From: timjones@...
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:23 am
Subject: Three presentations plus first response from Sustainable Energy Forum EV seminar now available online 		senjmito
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Dear All,

Three of the five presentations, plus the "first response" from Steve
Goldthorpe, from SEF's 15 November seminar on "Electric Vehicles in New
Zealand" are now available from our web site at
http://www.sef.org.nz/conferences.html

I hope to make the remaining two presentations available shortly, and we
are also working on making an audio and/or video record of the event
available.

Regards
Tim Jones

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#7 From: paul bruce <paul.bruce@...>
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:46 am
Subject: Re: EV's here in NZ 		paul.bruce@...
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Hi Paul,

Any chance of getting some stickers for my two wheelers:

"EVs"....... "Friendly Electric...". "Doesn't need a war to fuel an EV!"
etc   Plus the trade name label!

cheers

Cr Paul Bruce 
Tel 04 9728699, 021 02719370

On 23/11/2007, at 10:48 AM, paul_in_wellington wrote:

It would be great to see what EV are around in NZ NOW...
If you have any photos or experiences using EV's in NZ
please post and add photo to share with NZ EVA members.
If you are interested in demo of two wheeler EV or Lithium battery
for EV drop me a email.
Another area of research and development if Plug-IN Hybrid upgrades
to extend EV mode driving range and Vehicle to Grid technology.

yes ..EVs are here!!

"Sustainable Future.....Available NOW!!"



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#6 From: richard bacon <dickieb68@...>
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:22 am
Subject: Re: A few questions 		dickieb68
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Why ask someone else to do it?

Who do I talk to about installing these
http://www.elektromotive.com
in a station carpark?

Set the charging cost so as to recover the capital over a period (say 1-5 years depending on projected usage) combine it with a promotion for the Prius plugin conversion and the Kero scooters and we could be onto a winner.
 
Cheers,
Richard


----- Original Message ----
From: Brent Efford <brent.efford@...>
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:47:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nzeva] A few questions

Don’t apologise, Richard. We need passion before anything else.

An early issue we could push, at least in Wellington, and probably Auckland too, is the provision of charging facilities at railway park + ride lots. I touched on this in my SEF seminar contribution last week. The electric vehicles most immediately available world-wide (cycles and small cars) are ideally suited for the home to rail journey in areas like Porirua, Hutt and Kapiti, and being able to charge at the station would double the effective catchment for commuter EV use. This should be pushed with the GWRC and maybe Meridian. The chargers should be able to accept payment from the smart cards used (in the not too distant future) for train fares.

The GWRC or Meridian should be asked to install at least one “demonstration” charger at each of various key stations, and make a big fuss about it, as one way of encouraging the uptake of all-electric (EV + rail) transport.

Brent Efford  




On 23/11/07 9:45 AM, "richard bacon" <dickieb68@yahoo. com> wrote:

Hi Tim and others,
An NZEVA would be a great idea, A support network of like minded people can achieve much more than people in isolation, even if it's just to highlight events around the world.

Restart:
Is this not the restart of the NZEVA? was there some more official version with an executive committee or something?

"Let's not screw it, let's just do it" - Richard Branson

Name:
NZEVA is good, EV is the common parlance,
NZETA  OK, but their is an ETA in the UK which promotes cycling  etc.
NZERTA (electric road transport)
NZERVA (electric road vehicle)
NZATA (Alternative transport)
NZZEVA (zero emission vehicle)
 
The list goes on , I prefer the first.

Purpose:
raise awareness of the feasibility of electric vehicles for everyday use and of there use in other countries.
Provide information on:
What an EV is
Why an EV is a good thing
Where to get one
How to make one
Who can or should be helping grow EVs as a market sector in New Zealand

Virtual or Physical:
Both.
I think we should meet up, informally, monthly, in a pub. - how's next week sound?

I've just invited an EV DIYer I have contact with up north to join the group.

As you can tell, this is my passion, I make no apologies if my fervour offends.

Cheers,
Richard


----- Original Message ----
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To: nzeva@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:01:28 PM
Subject: [nzeva] A few questions

 
 

Dear All,

Thanks for signing up to the NZEVA list - and to Richard for those links.
Here's some questions it might be worth discussing:

* Is it a good idea to restart the NZ Electric Vehicles Association? (the
rest of the questions assume we decide "yes" to this question)

* Is that the right name, or should it be different - e.g. the New Zealand
Electric Transport Association?

* What should the group be doing? What are the key priorities?

* How should it operate - purely as a virtual group, or should it meet?

Please invite other people who may be interested to join the list -
especially people outside Wellington.

Regards
Tim Jones

 
  


 
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#5 From: Brent Efford <brent.efford@...>
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:47 am
Subject: Re: A few questions 		brenteff
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Don’t apologise, Richard. We need passion before anything else.

An early issue we could push, at least in Wellington, and probably Auckland too, is the provision of charging facilities at railway park + ride lots. I touched on this in my SEF seminar contribution last week. The electric vehicles most immediately available world-wide (cycles and small cars) are ideally suited for the home to rail journey in areas like Porirua, Hutt and Kapiti, and being able to charge at the station would double the effective catchment for commuter EV use. This should be pushed with the GWRC and maybe Meridian. The chargers should be able to accept payment from the smart cards used (in the not too distant future) for train fares.

The GWRC or Meridian should be asked to install at least one “demonstration” charger at each of various key stations, and make a big fuss about it, as one way of encouraging the uptake of all-electric (EV + rail) transport.

Brent Efford  




On 23/11/07 9:45 AM, "richard bacon" <dickieb68@...> wrote:

Hi Tim and others,
An NZEVA would be a great idea, A support network of like minded people can achieve much more than people in isolation, even if it's just to highlight events around the world.

Restart:
Is this not the restart of the NZEVA? was there some more official version with an executive committee or something?

"Let's not screw it, let's just do it" - Richard Branson

Name:
NZEVA is good, EV is the common parlance,
NZETA  OK, but their is an ETA in the UK which promotes cycling  etc.
NZERTA (electric road transport)
NZERVA (electric road vehicle)
NZATA (Alternative transport)
NZZEVA (zero emission vehicle)
 
The list goes on , I prefer the first.

Purpose:
raise awareness of the feasibility of electric vehicles for everyday use and of there use in other countries.
Provide information on:
What an EV is
Why an EV is a good thing
Where to get one
How to make one
Who can or should be helping grow EVs as a market sector in New Zealand

Virtual or Physical:
Both.
I think we should meet up, informally, monthly, in a pub. - how's next week sound?

I've just invited an EV DIYer I have contact with up north to join the group.

As you can tell, this is my passion, I make no apologies if my fervour offends.

Cheers,
Richard


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From: "timjones@..." <timjones@...>
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:01:28 PM
Subject: [nzeva] A few questions

 
 

Dear All,

Thanks for signing up to the NZEVA list - and to Richard for those links.
Here's some questions it might be worth discussing:

* Is it a good idea to restart the NZ Electric Vehicles Association? (the
rest of the questions assume we decide "yes" to this question)

* Is that the right name, or should it be different - e.g. the New Zealand
Electric Transport Association?

* What should the group be doing? What are the key priorities?

* How should it operate - purely as a virtual group, or should it meet?

Please invite other people who may be interested to join the list -
especially people outside Wellington.

Regards
Tim Jones

 
  


 
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#4 From: "paul_in_wellington" <paul_in_wellington@...>
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:48 pm
Subject: EV's here in NZ 		paul_in_well...
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It would be great to see what EV are around in NZ NOW...
If you have any photos or experiences using EV's in NZ
please post and add photo to share with NZ EVA members.
   If you are interested in demo of two wheeler EV  or Lithium battery
for EV drop me a email.
  Another area of research and development if Plug-IN Hybrid upgrades
to extend EV mode driving range and Vehicle to Grid technology.

  yes ..EVs are here!!

"Sustainable Future.....Available NOW!!"

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#3 From: richard bacon <dickieb68@...>
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: A few questions 		dickieb68
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Hi Tim and others,
An NZEVA would be a great idea, A support network of like minded people can achieve much more than people in isolation, even if it's just to highlight events around the world.

Restart:
Is this not the restart of the NZEVA? was there some more official version with an executive committee or something?

"Let's not screw it, let's just do it" - Richard Branson

Name:
NZEVA is good, EV is the common parlance,
NZETA  OK, but their is an ETA in the UK which promotes cycling  etc.
NZERTA (electric road transport)
NZERVA (electric road vehicle)
NZATA (Alternative transport)
NZZEVA (zero emission vehicle)
 
The list goes on , I prefer the first.

Purpose:
raise awareness of the feasibility of electric vehicles for everyday use and of there use in other countries.
Provide information on:
What an EV is
Why an EV is a good thing
Where to get one
How to make one
Who can or should be helping grow EVs as a market sector in New Zealand

Virtual or Physical:
Both.
I think we should meet up, informally, monthly, in a pub. - how's next week sound?

I've just invited an EV DIYer I have contact with up north to join the group.

As you can tell, this is my passion, I make no apologies if my fervour offends.

Cheers,
Richard


----- Original Message ----
From: "timjones@..." <timjones@...>
To: nzeva@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:01:28 PM
Subject: [nzeva] A few questions

Dear All,

Thanks for signing up to the NZEVA list - and to Richard for those links.
Here's some questions it might be worth discussing:

* Is it a good idea to restart the NZ Electric Vehicles Association? (the
rest of the questions assume we decide "yes" to this question)

* Is that the right name, or should it be different - e.g. the New Zealand
Electric Transport Association?

* What should the group be doing? What are the key priorities?

* How should it operate - purely as a virtual group, or should it meet?

Please invite other people who may be interested to join the list -
especially people outside Wellington.

Regards
Tim Jones



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Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:01 am
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Dear All,

Thanks for signing up to the NZEVA list - and to Richard for those links.
Here's some questions it might be worth discussing:

* Is it a good idea to restart the NZ Electric Vehicles Association? (the
rest of the questions assume we decide "yes" to this question)

* Is that the right name, or should it be different - e.g. the New Zealand
Electric Transport Association?

* What should the group be doing? What are the key priorities?

* How should it operate - purely as a virtual group, or should it meet?

Please invite other people who may be interested to join the list -
especially people outside Wellington.

Regards
Tim Jones

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#1 From: "Richard" <dickieb68@...>
Date: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:08 am
Subject: Reasons to exist 		dickieb68
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If these can be built as rhd or exemption for lhd obtained.

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