nzjava : Message: Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: [nzjava] James Strachan impressed with Scala

That reminds me of Liftweb

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Mark Derricutt <mark@...> wrote:

> {
> Ive.never(REALLY)
> .under.stood(peoples(
> hatred().of(lisp()
> )).when(They.like("fluent").builders()
> }
>
>

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Being Scala fan boy that I am, I was quite pleased to read this: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/2009/04/scala-as-long-term-replacement-for.html...

Murray Knox
murrayk@...

Jul 6, 2009
11:43 pm

Just say no to Groovy ;-) -- ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...

Mark Derricutt
talios2k

Jul 7, 2009
12:42 am

Its nice to know that even the creator of Groovy appears to agreesthat Scala is a better way to go - "I can honestly say if someone had shown me the...

Gerhard Kessell-Haak
redazzo

Jul 7, 2009
1:52 am

That's a great overview. For a long time I've considered James to be one of the most influential (and prolific) Java developers around. I read the staircase...

John Hurst
jbhurst2003

Jul 7, 2009
12:51 am

I believe Lift's new Actors library was written so that Actors could be used on the GAE, using a non-thread based approach ? I think there were other reasons...

Mark Derricutt
talios2k

Jul 7, 2009
12:56 am

Why Lift is writing their own Actors librarry: http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/f789cc5cb304ea52. Main reasons for creating a new...

Murray Knox
murrayk@...

Jul 7, 2009
1:13 am

I stand corrected. Cheers. And now back to my corner. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...

Mark Derricutt
talios2k

Jul 7, 2009
1:22 am

... Twitter is using Scala: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3261 Cheers Craig...

Craig Anslow
craig.anslow@...

Jul 7, 2009
1:19 am

My problem with Scala is simply that people can get carried away in it. There is a balance between boilerplate and condensing - there is the argument that less...

Richard Vowles
r_vowles

Jul 7, 2009
1:59 am

What is a MOP? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...

richard schmidt
informhandstrap

Jul 7, 2009
2:14 am

Meta Object Protocol - it is what allows dynamic languages to be dynamic and is what makes them slower than static languages. It lets you dynamically add ...

Richard Vowles
r_vowles

Jul 7, 2009
2:42 am

Just to add my 2c... ... my issue after playing with Scala is that it is not nice enough to use from another language (aka the strange object/method names it...

Rob Bygrave
rbygrave

Jul 7, 2009
3:03 am

Terseness, complexity and the average skill level of developers didn't stop the community adopting C and C++ in their day. Or perl for that matter. I agree...

Murray Knox
murrayk@...

Jul 7, 2009
2:23 am

... Oh yes it did. Consider the number of C++ developers to VB developers in Microsoft shops. It was around 20 to 1. C/C++ led to the wave of Perl, Smalltalk,...

Richard Vowles
r_vowles

Jul 7, 2009
2:39 am

Oh no it didn't :-) look at this: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html C++ was more popular than VB until about 2006 If you want...

Murray Knox
murrayk@...

Jul 7, 2009
3:45 am

To be fair I thought Richard was recommending that MOP be used in limited contexts. I've always thought I've been missing out on something big because I never ...

John Hurst
jbhurst2003

Jul 7, 2009
4:06 am

... I don't think "popular" accurately describes C++ :-) ... ((To))() (many)) ((scare) (me).). Besides - it gives Mark/Greg and I something to argue about :-) ...

Richard Vowles
r_vowles

Jul 7, 2009
7:37 am

{ Ive.never(REALLY) .under.stood(peoples( hatred().of(lisp() )).when(They.like("fluent").builders() } I've seen A LOT of java like this lately, with builder...

Mark Derricutt
talios2k

Jul 7, 2009
11:26 am

That reminds me of Liftweb ... -- ... Richard Vowles, Talk to me about development in Grails, Groovy, Java and for the Blackberry ph: +64275467747, linkedin,...

Richard Vowles
r_vowles

Jul 7, 2009
8:22 pm

Doesn't scalas implicit type conversion cater for MOP style scenarios in a large majority of cases? (not all thou). If all your doing is injecting new methods...

Mark Derricutt
talios2k

Jul 7, 2009
5:17 am

Incidentally - Debasish Ghosh has a good post on this: http://debasishg.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-i-like-scalas-lexically-scoped-open.html -- ... [Non-text...

Mark Derricutt
talios2k

Jul 7, 2009
5:19 am

Which unfortunately completely misses what Ruby is adding there. That said, what dynamic languages can suffer from is who gets to the class first - if you...

Richard Vowles
r_vowles

Jul 7, 2009
5:42 am

I'll grant you the lets-randomly-generate-method-names-on-the-fly (do they auto-complete at all? If I called findAllByNamAndBirthPlace() would it still...

Mark Derricutt
talios2k

Jul 7, 2009
6:42 am

In a Grails-aware IDE (NetBeans, IntelliJ and soon-ish Eclipse), they autocomplete and check if they are valid. ... -- ... Richard Vowles, Talk to me about...

Richard Vowles
r_vowles

Jul 7, 2009
7:35 am

My mind - my clojure code using clj-record does do something rather similar so I can't fully complain :) -- On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Richard Vowles < ...

Mark Derricutt
talios2k

Jul 7, 2009
11:28 am

Did anyone else spot the Freudian slip ? "...by contention, Grails assumes you mean to create a criteria query" I'm familiar with programming by convention,...

Murray Knox
murrayk@...

Jul 7, 2009
6:56 am

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