Just to keep u informed - there is a conference at Goa, India on
remote sensing in November, 2006.
Goa is a beautiful place with good beaches lots of sun and fun
check our site : http://www.nio.org
Light-scattering methods for modelling algal particles as a collection of coated and/or nonspherical scatterers, Journal of Quantitative Spectroscopy and Radiative Transfer, Volume 100, Issues 1-3, VIII Conference on Electromagnetic and Light Scattering by Nonspherical Particles, July-August 2006, Pages 315-324. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6TVR-4HVW6N2-C/2/de7dd63e9795f361a3d251d23196b6dd
Temporal and vertical variation of chlorophyll a concentration,phytoplankton photosynthetic activity and light attenuation in Lake Kinneret: possibilities and limitations for simulation by remote sensing Yosef Z. Yacobi J. Plankton Res. 2006 28: 725-736. http://plankt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/8/725?etoc
The last one looks like the most fun summer reading. Cover picture of "patterns of linear polarization in the twilight sky" below. /eric
James M. Sullivan, Michael S. Twardowski, J. Ronald V. Zaneveld, Casey M. Moore, Andrew H. Barnard, Percy L. Donaghay, and Bruce Rhoades, Hyperspectral temperature and salt dependencies of absorption by water and heavy water in the 400-750 nm spectral range, Applied Optics, 45/21, 5294-5309 (2006) Abstract
J. Scott Tyo, Dennis H. Goldstein, David B. Chenault, and Joseph A. Shaw, Polarization in Remote Sensing--introduction , Applied Optics, 45/22, 5451-5452 (2006) Abstract
J. Scott Tyo, Dennis L. Goldstein, David B. Chenault, and Joseph A. Shaw, Review of passive imaging polarimetry for remote sensing applications, Applied Optics, 45/22, 5453-5469 (2006) Abstract
Jacek Chowdhary, Brian Cairns, and Larry D. Travis, Contribution of water-leaving radiances to multiangle, multispectral polarimetric observations over the open ocean: bio-optical model results for case 1 waters, Applied Optics, 45/22, 5542-5567 (2006) Abstract
A. Gilerson, J. Zhou, M. Oo, J. Chowdhary, B. M. Gross, F. Moshary, and S. Ahmed, Retrieval of chlorophyll fluorescence from reflectance spectra through polarization discrimination: modeling and experiments, Appl. Opt. 45/22, 5568-5581 (2006) Abstract
T. W. Cronin, E. J. Warrant, and B. Greiner, Celestial polarization patterns during twilight, Appl. Opt.45/22, 5582-5589 (2006) Abstract
Sorry everyone. That last email was not meant for the group....
Leon
"Nature will not allow ignorance to prevail." ~Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Leon M. Delwiche
Graduate Student
University of Washington, School of Oceanography
(206) 543-7521
Leon M. Delwiche wrote:
> Hey, are you around. Want to do lunch?
>
> "Nature will not allow ignorance to prevail." ~Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>
> Leon M. Delwiche
> Graduate Student
> University of Washington, School of Oceanography
> (206) 543-7521
>
> Eric Rehm wrote:
>
> > M. Wang, *"Effects of ocean surface reflectance variation with solar
> > elevation on normalized water-leaving radiance,"* Appl. Opt. *45*,
> > 4122-4128 (2006) Abstract
> > <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-17-4122%20
> <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-17-4122%20>>
> >
> > G. Dall'Olmo and A. A. Gitelson,* "Effect of bio-optical parameter
> > variability and uncertainties in reflectance measurements on the
> > remote estimation of chlorophyll-a concentration in turbid productive
> > waters: modeling results,"* Appl. Opt. *45*, 3577-3592 (2006) Abstract
> > <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3577%20
> <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3577%20>>
> >
> > G. C. Chang, A. H. Barnard, S. McLean, P. J. Egli, C. Moore, J. R. V.
> > Zaneveld, T. D. Dickey, and A. Hanson, *"In situ optical variability
> > and relationships in the Santa Barbara Channel: implications for
> > remote sensing,"* Appl. Opt. *45*, 3593-3604 (2006) Abstract
> > <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3593%20
> <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3593%20>>
> >
> > M. Chami, E. B. Shybanov, G. A. Khomenko, M. E. -G. Lee, O. V.
> > Martynov, and G. K. Korotaev, "*Spectral variation of the volume
> > scattering function measured over the full range of scattering angles
> > in a coastal environment*," Appl. Opt. *45*, 3605-3619 (2006)
> > Abstract
> <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3605%20
> <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3605%20>>
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > /The only thing constant is change./ (Heraclitus, 500 BC)
> >
> > /But variation is the irreducible reality; nature provides nothing
> > else./ - Stephen Jay Gould
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Hey, are you around. Want to do lunch?
"Nature will not allow ignorance to prevail." ~Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Leon M. Delwiche
Graduate Student
University of Washington, School of Oceanography
(206) 543-7521
Eric Rehm wrote:
> M. Wang, *"Effects of ocean surface reflectance variation with solar
> elevation on normalized water-leaving radiance,"* Appl. Opt. *45*,
> 4122-4128 (2006) Abstract
> <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-17-4122%20>
>
> G. Dall'Olmo and A. A. Gitelson,* "Effect of bio-optical parameter
> variability and uncertainties in reflectance measurements on the
> remote estimation of chlorophyll-a concentration in turbid productive
> waters: modeling results,"* Appl. Opt. *45*, 3577-3592 (2006) Abstract
> <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3577%20>
>
> G. C. Chang, A. H. Barnard, S. McLean, P. J. Egli, C. Moore, J. R. V.
> Zaneveld, T. D. Dickey, and A. Hanson, *"In situ optical variability
> and relationships in the Santa Barbara Channel: implications for
> remote sensing,"* Appl. Opt. *45*, 3593-3604 (2006) Abstract
> <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3593%20>
>
> M. Chami, E. B. Shybanov, G. A. Khomenko, M. E. -G. Lee, O. V.
> Martynov, and G. K. Korotaev, "*Spectral variation of the volume
> scattering function measured over the full range of scattering angles
> in a coastal environment*," Appl. Opt. *45*, 3605-3619 (2006)
> Abstract <http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-45-15-3605%20>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> /The only thing constant is change./ (Heraclitus, 500 BC)
>
> /But variation is the irreducible reality; nature provides nothing
> else./ - Stephen Jay Gould
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
M. Wang, "Effects of ocean surface reflectance variation with solar elevation on normalized water-leaving radiance," Appl. Opt. 45, 4122-4128 (2006)Abstract
G. Dall'Olmo and A. A. Gitelson, "Effect of bio-optical parameter variability and uncertainties in reflectance measurements on the remote estimation of chlorophyll-a concentration in turbid productive waters: modeling results," Appl. Opt. 45, 3577-3592 (2006)Abstract
G. C. Chang, A. H. Barnard, S. McLean, P. J. Egli, C. Moore, J. R. V. Zaneveld, T. D. Dickey, and A. Hanson, "In situ optical variability and relationships in the Santa Barbara Channel: implications for remote sensing," Appl. Opt. 45, 3593-3604 (2006)Abstract
M. Chami, E. B. Shybanov, G. A. Khomenko, M. E. -G. Lee, O. V. Martynov, and G. K. Korotaev, "Spectral variation of the volume scattering function measured over the full range of scattering angles in a coastal environment," Appl. Opt. 45, 3605-3619 (2006)Abstract
The only thing constant is change. (Heraclitus, 500 BC)
But variation is the irreducible reality; nature provides nothing else. - Stephen Jay Gould
Schofield, O., J. Kerfoot, K. Mahoney, M. Moline, M. Oliver, S. Lohrenz, and G. Kirkpatrick (2006), Vertical migration of the toxic dinoflagellate Karenia brevis and the impact on ocean optical properties,J. Geophys. Res., 111, C06009, doi:10.1029/2005JC003115.
FYI
We are organizing a summer school on "Climate changes impact on
marine ecosystems" next summer (14-26 August, 2006) in Ankara,
Turkey. This is for advanced Ph.D students and young scientists. Further
information (program outline, lecturers, student funding guidelines,
deadline for applications, etc.) is available at the following
website
http://www.ims.metu.edu.tr/SummerSchool/index.htm
I appreciate if you circulate this message among students and other
potential participants.
Thank you in advance.
Best wishes.
Temel
:=======================================================
:Prof. Temel Oguz
:Middle East Technical University, Institute of Marine Sciences
:P.O. Box. 28, Erdemli 33731, Icel, Turkey
:Phone: 90 324 521 2150 (office), 90 324 521 2143 (home)
:Fax : 90 324 521 2327
:
http://www.ims.metu.edu.tr/cv/oguz/main.html
:===================================================
Greetings from Cortez, Colo, just after emerging from a week
of volunteer work removing old barbed wire fences in the back
country of Chaco Canyon Nat Hist Park, where ordinary touristas
don't get to go.
Anyway, I pushed OSA set up an Ocean Optics tech group when
I was at ONR 15 years ago, and worked to get OSA sponsorship
on one of the SPIE-sponsored ocean optics conferences, and fought a
big turf battle with SPIE over that, blah, blah, blah. As I recall, OSA
changed their "Atmos Optics" tech group to "Atmos and Ocean
Optics," and we had a couple of joint tech group meetings and
almost no ocean people came because the two communities don't
mix well. Bottom line: it all came to nothing as was soon forgotten
after I left ONR. There was very little interest in the ocean optics
community about having OSA involvement in the ocean optics
conferences or in attending OSA conferences, even though
we all publish in Appl Optics. I wouldn't waste much time trying to
reinvent this wheel. Pulling fence posts out is much more fun.
Cheers,
Curt
----------------------------------- Curtis Mobley, Ph.D. Vice President and Senior Scientist Sequoia Scientific, Inc. 2700 Richards Road, Suite 107 Bellevue, WA 98005 425-641-0944 ext 109 fax: 425-643-0595 www.sequoiasci.com personal: www.curtismobley.com -----------------------------------
From: emmanuel.boss@... To: oceanoptics@yahoogroups.com Cc: voss@..., scott_pegau@..., zplee@..., dstramski@... Sent: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:56:02 -0700 Subject: [OceanOptics]
Dear all,
As you may or may not know, ONR will not run the Ocean Optics conference anymore. TOS (the oceanography society) took up the role of convener (with CNES, NASA and OSA as co-sponsors). I would like to see OSA (the Optical Society of America) more involved in Ocean Optics (after all Applied Optics and Optics Express are the primary output of papers in Ocean Optics). We currently do have a rotating topical editor with expertise in OO (thank you ZPLee. Pegau and Voss held that position in the recent past).
Other than seeing OSA more involved with the Ocean Optics conference (which we are currently working on for 2008 as well) it make sense to establish a technical group in Ocean Optics (e.g. under the optical sciences technical division, see: http://www.osa.org/join/techgroups/). A primary purpose of having such a home at OSA is to convince OSA to actively support the OO conference (with full coordination with TOS) in the foreseeable future. OSA is a much larger society having more leverage and resources. In addition, it will provide us a base where we could coordinate information and links for people within and outside our community.
For example, the Acoustical Oceanography community has such a group under the hospice of the Acoustical Society of America (e.g. http://www.oce.uri.edu/ao/AOWEBPAGE.htm).
If you think this is a good idea, we have an opportunity to make this happen by submitting a short proposal to OSA (their leadership is convening in two weeks). The proposal should include a small description (paragraph) of our group interests, some metrics of our size (e.g. paper published by our community in the past year, people attending OO conference). We will also need to suggest a chair (Not me, I am doing my service as the OO conference chairmanship this year). If we look impressive enough, the leadership of OSA will award us our own official technical group.
I truly believe that establishing such a group can help our community for years to come, in particular if we take ownership in it and use it to promote our science and our community. I look forward to hearing your thoughts about it. Please circulate this message to all possibly interested parties. Cheers, Emmanuel
*************************************************************** Emmanuel Boss Associate Professor, University of Maine School of Marine Sciences, 5706 Aubert Hall Orono, ME 04469-5706 Tel: 207-581-4378, Cell: 207-356-9147, Fax: 207-581-4388 http://misclab.umeoce.maine.edu/boss/boss.htm ****************************************************************
-- *********************************************** Emmanuel Boss School of Marine Sciences, University of Maine, Orono, ME 04469 Tel:207-581-4378 Fax:207-581-4388 ***********************************************
Dear all,
As you may or may not know, ONR will not run the Ocean Optics
conference anymore. TOS (the oceanography society) took up the role of
convener (with CNES, NASA and OSA as co-sponsors). I would like to see
OSA (the Optical Society of America) more involved in Ocean Optics
(after all Applied Optics and Optics Express are the primary output of
papers in Ocean Optics). We currently do have a rotating topical editor
with expertise in OO (thank you ZPLee. Pegau and Voss held that
position in the recent past).
Other than seeing OSA more involved with the Ocean Optics conference
(which we are currently working on for 2008 as well) it make sense to
establish a technical group in Ocean Optics (e.g. under the optical
sciences technical division, see: http://www.osa.org/join/techgroups/).
A primary purpose of having such a home at OSA is to convince OSA to
actively support the OO conference (with full coordination with TOS) in
the foreseeable future. OSA is a much larger society having more
leverage and resources. In addition, it will provide us a base where we
could coordinate information and links for people within and outside
our community.
For example, the Acoustical Oceanography community has such a group
under the hospice of the Acoustical Society of America (e.g.
http://www.oce.uri.edu/ao/AOWEBPAGE.htm).
If you think this is a good idea, we have an opportunity to make this
happen by submitting a short proposal to OSA (their leadership is
convening in two weeks). The proposal should include a small
description (paragraph) of our group interests, some metrics of our
size (e.g. paper published by our community in the past year, people
attending OO conference). We will also need to suggest a chair (Not me,
I am doing my service as the OO conference chairmanship this year). If
we look impressive enough, the leadership of OSA will award us our own
official technical group.
I truly believe that establishing such a group can help our community
for years to come, in particular if we take ownership in it and use it
to promote our science and our community. I look forward to hearing
your thoughts about it. Please circulate this message to all possibly
interested parties.
Cheers,
Emmanuel
***************************************************************
Emmanuel Boss
Associate Professor, University of Maine
School of Marine Sciences, 5706 Aubert Hall
Orono, ME 04469-5706
Tel: 207-581-4378, Cell: 207-356-9147, Fax: 207-581-4388
http://misclab.umeoce.maine.edu/boss/boss.htm
****************************************************************
--
***********************************************
Emmanuel Boss
School of Marine Sciences, University of Maine,
Orono, ME 04469
Tel:207-581-4378 Fax:207-581-4388
***********************************************
Bored with The Da Vinci Code? Try these:
Applied Optics, Vol 45 (10), April 2006, pp. 2137-2370
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Apparent and inherent optical properties of turbid estuarine waters:
measurements, empirical quantification relationships, and modeling
David Doxaran, Nagur Cherukuru, Samantha J. Lavender, pp. 2310-2324
Inversion of irradiance and remote sensing reflectance in shallow water
between 400 and 800 nm for calculations of water and bottom properties
Andreas Albert, Peter Gege, pp. 2331-2343
Beam attenuation coefficient retrieval by inversion of airborne
lidar-induced chromophoric dissolved organic matter fluorescence. I. Theory
Frank E. Hoge, pp. 2344-2351
---------------
A comparison of hydrographically and optically derived mixed layer depths
Zawada, David G.; Zaneveld, J. Ronald V.; Boss, Emmanuel; Gardner, Wilford
D.; Richardson, Mary Jo; Mishonov, Alexey V.
J. Geophys. Res., Vol. 110, No. C11, C11001
01 November 2005
Spatial variations in phytoplankton pigment ratios, optical properties, and
environmental gradients in Oregon coast surface waters
Eisner, Lisa B.; Cowles, Timothy J., J. Geophys. Res., Vol. 110, No. C10,
C10S14
15 October 2005
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Inherent optical properties of the Irish Sea and their effect on satellite
primary production algorithms
Gavin H. Tilstone, Timothy J. Smyth, Richard J. Gowen, Victor
Martinez-Vicente, and Steve B. Groom
J. Plankton Res. 2005 27: 1127-1148.
http://plankt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/27/11/1127?etoc
Optical changes associated with cyanobacterial bloom termination by viral
lysis
Stefan G. H. Simis, Marjolijn Tijdens, Hans L. Hoogveld, and Herman J. Gons
J. Plankton Res. 2005 27: 937-949.
http://plankt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/27/9/937?etoc
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The optical volume scattering function: Temporal and vertical variability in
the water column off the New Jersey coast
Agrawal, Yogesh C.
LIMNOLOGY AND OCEANOGRAPHY, Vol. 50(6), November 2005, 1787-1794
The optical properties of mineral suspended particles: A review and
synthesis
D.G. Bowers and C.E. Binding
Estuarine, Coastal and Shelf Science, Volume 67, Issues 1-2, Pages 219-230
(March 2006)
From Mary Jane Perry:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:44:36 -0700
rom: Dudley Chelton <chelton@...>
Subject: Oceans Community Letter to the Decadal Survey
Please accept our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this
letter.
As many of you are aware, a committee of the National Research Council
has been developing a prioritized list of future U.S. Earth-observing
satellite missions for research and operational applications over the
next decade. The recommendations of this Decadal Survey will greatly
influence the future plans of NASA and NOAA. The Survey is nearing the
end of its deliberations; the next meeting of the Executive Committee
of the Decadal Survey is May 2-4. After this, it will be difficult to
make any major changes in the recommendations of the Survey.
The oceanographic community has not provided effective input to date,
and ocean satellites are not faring well in the Survey's current draft
recommendations. Since the lack of future satellite observations of
the oceans would affect such a broad cross section of Earth science
research, we believe that the most effective approach is to communicate
our concerns in the form of a community letter to Richard Anthes and
Berrien Moore, the co-chairs of the Survey.
With considerable help from many colleagues, we have drafted an Oceans
Community Letter, which can be found at
http://cioss.coas.oregonstate.edu/CIOSS/letter.html. We urge you to
read this letter and add your name to the list of signatories. Please
forward this message to colleagues who may not have been included in
our email distribution lists.
We encourage participation from the entire Oceans Community. When sent
to the Co-Chairs of the Decadal Survey, the signatories will be
categorized according to their affiliation as U.S. Academic Scientists,
NASA or NOAA Scientists, Non-U.S. Scientists, or Other interested
parties.
Thank you in advance for your help with this important effort.
Sincerely,
Dudley Chelton and Michael Freilich
Howdy,
I hope all of you are enjoying the warm weather and crunchy sand. I'm
wicked jealous of you all. The weather in NH has been a bit less than
ideal, including some 70mph winds this weekend. I'm glad to hear that
Giorgio will be there to represent the few, the misguided, the people
who study bio-optics in lakes.
I also wonder about the T-shirts, which of course, need to include
Bradt's Law... (although I may be less than objective on the subject)
Enjoy!
Shane
Howdy,
I hope all of you are enjoying the warm weather and crunchy sand. The
weather in NH has been a bit less than ideal, including some 70mph
winds this weekend. I'm wicked jealous of you all. I'm glad to hear
that Giorgio will be there to represent the few, the misguided, the
people who study bio-optics in lakes.
I also wonder about the T-shirts . . .
Enjoy!
Shane
Hi everyone-
For those of you checking email rather than word of mouth. Let's try
to meet near the entrance to the poster hall in the lobby at the end
of the poster session. I'm sure we'll see each other in the poster
session as well...
Mary Jane: we'll try to contact you and let you know where we will be...
Have a great day,
Mike
--- In oceanoptics@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rehm <erehm@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds good! /eric
>
> >Thinking Tues. evening after the poster session at the conference
> >center would be an excellent time for us to meet up. E. Boss is
> >available that evening as well and hopefully everyone will have made
> >it to Hawaii as well by then.
> >
> >see you then,
> >
> >mike
>
Sounds good! /eric
>Thinking Tues. evening after the poster session at the conference
>center would be an excellent time for us to meet up. E. Boss is
>available that evening as well and hopefully everyone will have made
>it to Hawaii as well by then.
>
>see you then,
>
>mike
Hi all
Thinking Tues. evening after the poster session at the conference
center would be an excellent time for us to meet up. E. Boss is
available that evening as well and hopefully everyone will have made
it to Hawaii as well by then.
see you then,
mike
The link to the zip file is broken. Can anyone fix it? I will
appreciate your effort while most of you may be busy preparing your
posters or presentations.
Have a great time in Hawaii!
Chi-Kuei
--- In oceanoptics@yahoogroups.com, "erehm" <eric@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In oceanoptics@yahoogroups.com, "curtis mobley"
> <curtis.mobley@s...> wrote:
>
> > I now have Light and Water on CD. The format is
> > searchable pdf, so it's quite convenient to use.
>
> All the "Light and Water" PDF files that make up this CD can now be
> downloaded from a link you will find at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oceanoptics/links/
>
> Be advised that the "Light and Water" Zip file is 22 MB.
>
> /eric rehm
> moderator
>
Hi, guys,
Regarding the OS2006 meting next month, it will be great to have a
big get together of the Maine ocean optics people, of course. I
strongly approve.
For coordination purposes, my cell phone is 805-637-3032, as I
suppose I might be able to take calls better than checking e-mail,
unless the hotel has Internet :)
Tak care and see you all next month,
Tiho
=========================================================================
Tihomir Kostadinov
Graduate Student Researcher
Institute for Computational Earth System Science
Interdepartmental Graduate Program in Marine Science
University of California Santa Barbara
tiho@...http://www.icess.ucsb.edu/~tiho/
=========================================================================
Je suis heureux d'apprendre que vous irez aux Ocean Sciences.
A bientôt. Joyeux Noël,
/eric rehm
From: oceanoptics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oceanoptics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Julia Uitz Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:17 AM To: oceanoptics@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OceanOptics]
Hi everyone, I will be at the meeting too. I hope to meet you all there! Until then, happy holidays! See you, Julia
********************************************* Julia UITZ Ph.D. Student Marine Optics and Remote Sensing Team Laboratoire d'Océanographie de Villefranche Quai de la Darse, B.P. 8 06238 Villefranche sur Mer Cedex, France E-Mail: julia.uitz@... Tel: 33.4.93.76.37.22 / Fax: 33.4.93.76.38.73 Visit my Web Page at http://www.obs-vlfr.fr/~uitz/ *********************************************
Hi everyone,
I will be at the meeting too. I hope to meet you all there!
Until then, happy holidays!
See you,
Julia
*********************************************
Julia UITZ
Ph.D. Student
Marine Optics and Remote Sensing Team
Laboratoire d'Océanographie de Villefranche
Quai de la Darse, B.P. 8
06238 Villefranche sur Mer Cedex, France
E-Mail: julia.uitz@...
Tel: 33.4.93.76.37.22 / Fax: 33.4.93.76.38.73
Visit my Web Page at
http://www.obs-vlfr.fr/~uitz/
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Hi, all,
I will be going to the HI meeting as well, so I agree it will be very cool to
organize a reunion and meet everyone again. Until then and happy holidays to
all,
Tiho