--- In oil_from_algae@yahoogroups.com, "bhans@..." <bhans@...> wrote:
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> I find it curious how people have clung to the same ideal of 'biofuels' with
algae as they did with ethanol without the proper analysis of simple sets of
baseline assumptions like 'does this algae energy system make more energy than
it uses'. IMO, its the most important question to start with.
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> Brian
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Just a comment from a newbie in this group:
In my view this would be a a perpetual process - thus impossible from physics
point of view. What one could call for, though, is the expectation that the
value of the energy you produce in teh process is worth more the value of the
energy you supply. There are quite convincing examples given already.
Ok false, I will bite... My professional opinion comes from my years of Botany, renewable energy and catalysts research expertise. It is also formed from...
Brain, I agree with your scepticism about all the PR being put out. Everyone talks about what they are going to do "real soon now" not what they have done. ...
Hi Brian and Bobby, My name is Jody, (or jfarris73@yahoo). I don't know why it shows up as 'false' in this group. But anyway.. I am not sure where, or...
Jody, Dr. Benneman told me he only worked with Fat(lipids) in the cooler area of Eastern New Mexico. From My lab, the Petroleum oils from B.Braunii( like c30...
Jody, Dr. Benemann is a recognized expert. His opinion is just an opinion, but it is based on being involved in the largest research project ever on using ...
Hey Bobby, its Brian but thanks for the complement :) If you re-read his comment, it says 'even with aggressive assumption about biological productivity...'...
Brian, Sorry for the misspelling. We are nowhere near the reality of anything. We don't need to alter biological productivity - almost everyone agrees that it...
Bobby, Materials and energy balances are important to any process flow diagram for several reasons. However, your point is well taken. From a standpoint of...
... Just a comment from a newbie in this group: In my view this would be a a perpetual process - thus impossible from physics point of view. What one could...
Hi Jody, Im glad your name isnt False cuz that would have proven to be a tough childhood. Can I ask which piece of data specifically has come across your eyes...
Bobby, The last email I got from Dr. John Benemann,PhD he was with his Line in theory but still have a ways to go to be practical.. We have talked about this...
This wasn't about this group, but for some reason oil_from_algae came to mind when I read it. ...perhaps because there is so little real experience? …. most...
George, Good point - you left out the inexperienced trying to scam people. Bobby ... -- Toward freedom, Bobby Yates Emory George, Good point - you left out the...
Alex, You are correct - there are absurd claims being made. I fear that there are lots of scam artists trying to follow whatever is hot this month to see if...
Bobby, The difference in the coal example is that you do not have to account for the production of energy, you are taking about only conversion of energy. And...
Hans, I don't think you got my point. Let's say we find out that if we keep the algae ponds at 100F, the algae grows real well. So we have to burn lots of ...
Bobby, Yes..but heat is a waste product of electric power as well as the CO2.. Also they could make the raceways on top of the used mines as they dig and...
Even worse - experienced scammers screwing inexperienced scammees. Quite a
few of them in the algae area. In fact some of us may have fun compiling a
list of...
Bobby - exactly. Once we understand the M&E balances, we are in a position
to more accurately assess the viability, recognizing full well that
different energy...
Alex, All reasonable questions for an investor to ask a corporation. But remember that if a backyard inventor is not able to answer your questions, it does not...
Bobby: But the backyard inventor has to have some inkling about this so he does
not end up misleading herself or himself. All too often I hear of some...
Alex, Agreed - before Esso builds a thousand acres of algae ponds, someone needs run tests and do these studies. My concern is that as soon as someone has a...
Questions do not necessarily stifle. In fact they nay help by identifying a
path to follow. Studies need to be done under controlled and transparent
conditions...
Alex, I don't disagree, but the attitude should be - what you have done is great, how can we help you validate it - not - what you have done is not valid ...
Bobby: I have no problem with that approach. But I would not waste my time if the
invention was violating fundamental energy balance and mass balance...
Alex, I think we are talking about two different things. I am talking about a backyard experimenter who has solved one portion of the oil from algae puzzle. I...
Bobby, I am not sure we are talking about two different things. Even
tinkerers such as you are describing need to at least satisfy themselves and
others that...