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Re: Biofuels from Algae, Mass production Costs

Hello all,

New to this group...Recommended by another member.

I have been in Telephone conversation with the contact for Global
Green Solutions on the Valcent/Global Green Solution Vertical Algae
Bio-Diesel Reactor they have been making headlines with.

Their facility in El Paso is producing more than the media
claims. They claim that the cost per barrel is now at $36.00, and
they expect that to drop significantly in the next few months when
they have a new technology to separate the lipids.

They are looking for franchises, and have a hefty buy in fee for
their product. They build the whole site, and monitor it with
computers and sensors. They get a royalty for each gallon produced,
which is figured into their $36.00 a barrel claims.

I know from other sources outside Valcent/GGS, that the US
Military is working to get their facilities up and running in the
next two years, and to use the stuff for Aircraft fuel.

I am taking their claims with a skeptical eye, but if I even take
them at almost half, they still would produce almost 100,000 gallons
an acre, and the cost would be around $1.50 per gallon. Still
cheaper than Oil...

I think the time has come. Thank you OPEC and Oil Speculators.



--- In oil_from_algae@yahoogroups.com, "Prabuddh Mishra"
<prabuddh_mishra@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear sir ,
>
> You can definitely cut down the cost of Algae oil by applying the
> following parameters in my opinion ...
> 1. Co-generation of Algae farms with Biogas plant ..
> 2. Use of biogas plant slurry as a nutrients to Algae ..
> 3. Supply of Co2 to algae from biogas plant and rest methane gas
> can be used as fuels in gensets ...
> 4. Using mostly solar energy in oil extraction process /
> tranesterification process ..
> regards
> Prabuddh Mishra
> INDIA ...
>
>
>
>
> --- In oil_from_algae@yahoogroups.com, "Ferrand Stobart"
> <ferrand@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know of a tabulation -preferably on something like
> EXCEL -
> > of Algae to Biofuel processes, giving
> > Raw material source
> > Process equipment/type.
> > Space required
> > Raw material input lb/kg/hr
> > Output per lb [or kg] of raw material input of:-
> > Biodiesel + est cost/gallon [US or Imperial]
> > Ethanol + est cost/gallon [US or Imperial]
> > other [dead algae fertiliser ?]
> >
> > I have had comments from UK that compared to petroleum products
> Algae
> > based biofuels are too costly. I seek data to refute this.
> >
> > Of particular interest is the conversion of CO2 to biofuels. as
> this
> > might be an "add on" to existing UK biological waste disposal
> plants
> > which produce CO2 eventually eg www.greenfinch.co.uk
> >
>





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Does anyone know of a tabulation -preferably on something like EXCEL - of Algae to Biofuel processes, giving Raw material source Process equipment/type. Space...
Ferrand Stobart
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I just started in this group and am not sure what all has been discussed however, This link: http://www.valcent.net/s/Ecotech.asp?ReportID=182039 or this link:...
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May 3, 2008
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Ferrand, No one has real data on this - including the people who are saying algae is too expensive. The primary source that said that is the ASP report - they...
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Dear sir , You can definitely cut down the cost of Algae oil by applying the following parameters in my opinion ... 1. Co-generation of Algae farms with Biogas...
Prabuddh Mishra
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Hello all, New to this group...Recommended by another member. I have been in Telephone conversation with the contact for Global Green Solutions on the...
Troy Eastman
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May 5, 2008
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... If I sign up as a franchisee will they guarantee the yield or cost of production per barrel? ... I'll bet they're looking for franchisees.... ... I'm...
David Miller
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... Global ... Algae ... and ... when ... of ... for ... produced, ... take ... gallons ... their ... if ... ...
Troy Eastman
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Sorry, Troy. Insolation is insolation. Doesn't matter how much depth one adds, you won't get more than the sun puts down on your surface area. David's...
Donald H Locker
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There may be another factor to it though it's a long shot. They invented light movers primarily so one spot wouldn't get overheated and dried out. Also to try...
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As far as I can tell, they are not using artificial light. From the photo's of the facility. However, they appear to use diffused light, which would allow the...
Troy Eastman
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Troy Eastman wrote: ... I don't think anyone is arguing that. I've said for a long time that PBR's, will maximize the yield one can obtain on a fixed area of...
David Miller
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Great, so, if a standard shallow pond can produce 10,000 gallon a year (DoE numbers), what would a facility that has optimal growing conditions, ie controlled...
Troy Eastman
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Troy, The chief problem with the numbers are they were done after the ASP was terminated by Clinton. The numbers were grossly stated and known to be above the...
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... That's right. Those numbers were direct line extrapolations based on multiplying the best couple of weeks of a small "raceway" by the rest of the year,...
David Miller
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... ASP ... known ... of ... Interesting... But these were open raceways, which means contaminants, competing algae strains, dead algae blocking, extremes of...
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... Yes. I'm sure there are people who are tired of me saying that 100,000 gallons/acre isn't possible no matter what sort of magical PBR you install on that...
David Miller
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... I don't think anyone knows for sure. If the energy falling on an acre is the equivalent of 250,000 gallons/acre and the maximum photosynthetic efficiency...
David Miller
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Troy, The movement of the light or (in this case) the crop itself was the point. The light source is not the issue. They have moved entire crops before with...
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... lights ... happens. ... part. ... and ... I wouldn't worry about C02 injection... For any system to be viable, it should rely on the existing C02 in the...
Troy Eastman
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I agree that you may be able to starve it with some things. Then again just like people it may already be getting starved of other things that isn't really...
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Are you talking about the PVC Tubes, or the clear plastic panels on the buildings? Troy ... viable, ... according ... the ... lifespan ... costs ... the ... ...
Troy Eastman
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BOTH. It's a double whamie of lost light, time and expense. What panels are you referring to? The greenhouses I saw in the pictures and videos out of Texas all...
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That explains what I was asking... I thought, from my observation of the pictures, that the greenhouse panels were more solid than double plastic sheeting....
Troy Eastman
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I agree with Sam and thank David Miller for keeping the group in line with reality. It is useless for the group to chase the rainbow. Shell in their ...
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David Miller is correct, I imagine he is getting tired of typing all that, but no one has typed it out as straight forward as he has..someone should write code...
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