I hope everyone has a great Turkey Day!

4x4

Thanks for your kind words, they mean a lot.

Hugs... Lisa


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kevin Davis
   To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 4:18 PM
   Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: Rest in Peace - Ranshirl


     my thoughs and prayers are with you im dealing with that myself with my
sister and a friend that have cancer i know what you have gone thru and yes your
mother is at rest now and with out pain god love her ! now is a time of healing
for you and your family !

   --- On Sat, 9/5/09, bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

   From: bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
   Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: Rest in Peace - Ranshirl
   To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 7:55 PM



   My heart and thoughts go out to you..hon. I hope you are all right.
   bev

   --- In oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com, "Arkansan" <arkansan@.. .>
wrote:
   >
   > Shirley McElwee aka "Ranshirl", passed away on Thursday Nov. 3rd. after a
   > battle with ovarian cancer. As most of you here know, she was my beloved
   > mother and an awesome lady. I was holding her hand as she took her last
   > breath. She is at peace now and in no pain. For that I am most thankful.
   >
   > She will be forever remembered and loved. I already miss her like you
wouldn't
   > believe. She was also my best friend. Just wanted you all to know.
   >
   > Lisa Chandler
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >

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Thanks so much Bev.
I'm doing okay, just miss her like crazy.

Hugs.. . Lisa


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: bjb_75149
   To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:55 PM
   Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: Rest in Peace - Ranshirl


     My heart and thoughts go out to you..hon. I hope you are all right.
   bev

   --- In oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com, "Arkansan" <arkansan@...> wrote:
   >
   > Shirley McElwee aka "Ranshirl", passed away on Thursday Nov. 3rd. after a
   > battle with ovarian cancer. As most of you here know, she was my beloved
   > mother and an awesome lady. I was holding her hand as she took her last
   > breath. She is at peace now and in no pain. For that I am most thankful.
   >
   > She will be forever remembered and loved. I already miss her like you
wouldn't
   > believe. She was also my best friend. Just wanted you all to know.
   >
   > Lisa Chandler
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >





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It was reported in the paper today with a photo that a rare (like no one has
ever seen one here) jaguarundi (otter cat) has been spotted and photographed
here in Hunt Co. TX. That it got almost to the Red River before anyone spotted
it is interesting.

my thoughs and prayers are with you im dealing with that myself with my sister
and a friend that have cancer i know what you have gone thru and yes your mother
is at rest now and with out pain god love her ! now is a time of healing for you
and your family !

--- On Sat, 9/5/09, bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


From: bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: Rest in Peace - Ranshirl
To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 7:55 PM


 



My heart and thoughts go out to you..hon. I hope you are all right.
bev

--- In oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com, "Arkansan" <arkansan@.. .>
wrote:
>
> Shirley McElwee aka "Ranshirl", passed away on Thursday Nov. 3rd. after a
> battle with ovarian cancer. As most of you here know, she was my beloved
> mother and an awesome lady. I was holding her hand as she took her last
> breath. She is at peace now and in no pain. For that I am most thankful.
>
> She will be forever remembered and loved. I already miss her like you wouldn't
> believe. She was also my best friend. Just wanted you all to know.
>
> Lisa Chandler
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



















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Sorry about the typo, that was supposed to read Sept. 3rd, not Nov.
She left us just a few days ago. My mind is gone right now.

My apologies. Lisa

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Arkansan
   To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:08 PM
   Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Rest in Peace - Ranshirl


     Shirley McElwee aka "Ranshirl", passed away on Thursday Nov. 3rd. after a
   battle with ovarian cancer. As most of you here know, she was my beloved
   mother and an awesome lady. I was holding her hand as she took her last
   breath. She is at peace now and in no pain. For that I am most thankful.

   She will be forever remembered and loved. I already miss her like you wouldn't
   believe. She was also my best friend. Just wanted you all to know.

   Lisa Chandler

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My heart and thoughts go out to you..hon. I hope you are all right.
bev

--- In oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com, "Arkansan" <arkansan@...> wrote:
>
> Shirley McElwee aka "Ranshirl", passed away on Thursday Nov. 3rd. after a
> battle with ovarian cancer. As most of you here know, she was my beloved
> mother and an awesome lady. I was holding her hand as she took her last
> breath. She is at peace now and in no pain. For that I am most thankful.
>
> She will be forever remembered and loved. I already miss her like you wouldn't
> believe. She was also my best friend. Just wanted you all to know.
>
> Lisa Chandler
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I'm so sorry to hear that, Lisa. I'll keep praying for you and your family. If
there is something I can do to help, please let me know.


Matt




--- In oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com, "Arkansan" <arkansan@...> wrote:
>
> Shirley McElwee aka "Ranshirl", passed away on Thursday Nov. 3rd. after a
> battle with ovarian cancer. As most of you here know, she was my beloved
> mother and an awesome lady. I was holding her hand as she took her last
> breath. She is at peace now and in no pain. For that I am most thankful.
>
> She will be forever remembered and loved. I already miss her like you wouldn't
> believe. She was also my best friend. Just wanted you all to know.
>
> Lisa Chandler
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Shirley McElwee aka "Ranshirl", passed away on Thursday Nov. 3rd. after a
battle with ovarian cancer. As most of you here know, she was my beloved
mother and an awesome lady. I was holding her hand as she took her last
breath. She is at peace now and in no pain. For that I am most thankful.

She will be forever remembered and loved. I already miss her like you wouldn't
believe. She was also my best friend. Just wanted you all to know.

Lisa Chandler

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I have investigated several areas around Lake Tawakoni.  The Sabine River runs
into the lake at the Northwest end.  I received a report last year of one being
seen walking down the side of the road carrying a stick near the Sabine.  There
is prime habitat in the area, but at first glance one might think no way.

Thanks for posting this.

Luke




________________________________
From: bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 2:29:02 PM
Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] old bigfoot sighting


I was in Celeste, TX this morning having my car worked on. I waited at the gas
station/deli and got into a small group discussion with some men...most of them
older and long past retired if you know what I mean.  One of the men was
interested in paranormal stuff (he was younger than the others) and after awhile
I mentioned that I had once been a member of TBRC but had never seen a
bigfoot...did see some flying squirrels stealing bigfoot bait but no bigfoot.

The old man sitting at the table in front of mine spoke up and said that he had
had a friend who had seen a bigfoot at Tawakoni many years ago. He repeated it
to himself like he was remembering the conversation. Before I could learn
more...the guy working on my car came in and I had to leave. I would love to go
back and see if he comes back in.







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I was in Celeste, TX this morning having my car worked on. I waited at the gas
station/deli and got into a small group discussion with some men...most of them
older and long past retired if you know what I mean.  One of the men was
interested in paranormal stuff (he was younger than the others) and after awhile
I mentioned that I had once been a member of TBRC but had never seen a
bigfoot...did see some flying squirrels stealing bigfoot bait but no bigfoot.

The old man sitting at the table in front of mine spoke up and said that he had
had a friend who had seen a bigfoot at Tawakoni many years ago. He repeated it
to himself like he was remembering the conversation. Before I could learn
more...the guy working on my car came in and I had to leave. I would love to go
back and see if he comes back in.

Does anyone know what bigfoot sounds like?

Hi you all , well i got something to say its not much but something i went back
to driveing over the road not to long ago ! anyway i was out in west virgina ,
it was around dusk as i was driveing i looked to my right and caught something
big walking thru the trees it was tall and not on all fours moveing thru the
woods ! i didnt get to watch long cause as i was  driveing and you cant stop a
big truck to fast has anyone been are heard of sigthing out there ? west virgina
and virgina to me would be prime bigfoot areas !

--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Arkansan <arkansan@...> wrote:


From: Arkansan <arkansan@...>
Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Hi Everyone
To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 1:30 PM


 



Not going at all here right now. Haven't been out and about
in a long while now. Time to get back out there for sure!
Glad to see you are doing well! Nice to have you back for
a bit.

Lisa

----- Original Message -----
From: okbugdoc
To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:40 AM
Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Hi Everyone

Back in the States for a little while
So how's BF going?

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Havent heard much about BF anymore.Seems to me after that phony BF mishap
happened no one is talking much about BF . aybe people don't take it too serious
anymore--- In oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com, okbugdoc <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> Back in the States for a little while
> So how's BF going?
>

I didn't go like I planned...but I intend to very soon. I want to photograph the
entire area. Three trees are involved. Two very tall females and a small
one....so many berries had been stripped off the small one that I had first
thought it was a male.

I don't know if you remember or not but I gave a report of cedar berry poisons
to Lauren Coleman. It's my belief that agressive bigfoots are ones that have
consumed too many of certain cedar berries over the years and its messed with
their brains. One of the most poisonous varieties of cedars grows along Boggy
Creek....made me have a hmmmm moment.
bev

--- In oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com, Luke Gross <gigantotejano@...>
wrote:
>
> I have found bear sign a very short distance north of Paris Texas.  I have
also found eastern red cedars with the berries stripped on one side.  I cannot
verify a bear was the culprit stripping the berries from the trees.  The height
the berries were stripped would indicate something much larger than a black
bear.  I think black bears could do this but only lower levels on the trees, not
unless the branches of the trees could support the weight of the bear.
>
> Luke Gross
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:13:16 PM
> Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] bears and bigfeet
>
>
>
>
>
> OK I found a place outside of Paris TX where something big had been eating
cedar berries..... anyone here know if black bears live in north Texas and are
they nimble enough to strip one large cedar tree of its berries on one side and
partially break another branch? I thought at the time only a bigfoot could have
done this damage but now I wonder if black bears could have. The undamaged tree
was cleaned of berries on the side away from thr parkinglot. It was a very tall
tree and is still there. My husband and I are going back to photgraph the site
in a coupe of weeks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Not going at all here right now. Haven't been out and about
in a long while now. Time to get back out there for sure!
Glad to see you are doing well! Nice to have you back for
a bit.

Lisa


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: okbugdoc
   To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:40 AM
   Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Hi Everyone


     Back in the States for a little while
   So how's BF going?





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Hey Robert, glad to hear you're back over here! How are things going with you?

I just checked out a couple areas I think could have promise, but nothing to
report.

4x4





--- In oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com, okbugdoc <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Back in the States for a little while
> So how's BF going?
>

Back in the States for a little while
So how's BF going?

I have found bear sign a very short distance north of Paris Texas.  I have also
found eastern red cedars with the berries stripped on one side.  I cannot verify
a bear was the culprit stripping the berries from the trees.  The height the
berries were stripped would indicate something much larger than a black bear.  I
think black bears could do this but only lower levels on the trees, not unless
the branches of the trees could support the weight of the bear.

Luke Gross




________________________________
From: bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:13:16 PM
Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] bears and bigfeet





OK I found a place outside of Paris TX where something big had been eating cedar
berries..... anyone here know if black bears live in north Texas and are they
nimble enough to strip one large cedar tree of its berries on one side and
partially break another branch? I thought at the time only a bigfoot could have
done this damage but now I wonder if black bears could have. The undamaged tree
was cleaned of berries on the side away from thr parkinglot. It was a very tall
tree and is still there. My husband and I are going back to photgraph the site
in a coupe of weeks.







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did it look like someone had pick the berries or was the leafs also gone from
the tree ? bears will strip leafs and all off the tree !

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


From: bjb_75149 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] bears and bigfeet
To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 3:13 PM








OK I found a place outside of Paris TX where something big had been eating cedar
berries..... anyone here know if black bears live in north Texas and are they
nimble enough to strip one large cedar tree of its berries on one side and
partially break another branch? I thought at the time only a bigfoot could have
done this damage but now I wonder if black bears could have. The undamaged tree
was cleaned of berries on the side away from thr parkinglot. It was a very tall
tree and is still there. My husband and I are going back to photgraph the site
in a coupe of weeks.



















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OK I found a place outside of Paris TX where something big had been eating cedar
berries.....anyone here know if black bears live in north Texas and are they
nimble enough to strip one large cedar tree of its berries on one side and
partially break another branch? I thought at the time only a bigfoot could have
done this damage but now I wonder if black bears could have. The undamaged tree
was cleaned of berries on the side away from thr parkinglot. It was a very tall
tree and is still there. My husband and I are going back to photgraph the site
in a coupe of weeks.

Hey everyone please be careful and dont let this get you ! take care and be safe
!!!!!!

I let everyone voice their opinion on this subject, but it went down hill fast
after the first few posts.

This topic is closed.



I'll throw a new question out for the group to discuss:

It's been said that the sasquatch in the South generally have three toes, while
the ones in the Pacific Northwest have five. There have also been reports of
two, four, and six toes. For those that have experience, or have heard stories
from people, what are your thoughts?


4x4

Where are all these people coming from? This list was and still is
a good list about a flesh and blood animal. I know what I have
seen and experienced and it wasn't done by any shapeshifter,
alien, ghost, or dimension jumping anything. It eats, it sleeps,
it breeds, just like you and me. Period! No ifs, ands or buts!

For crying out loud people, why is the simple answer always the
least popular? You people need to be on a paranormal list or
something. This is not the place for that kind of subject matter.

Just my opinion.

Lisa Chandler


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: david wajda
   To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:46 AM
   Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator



   .....and there you have it! The world is flat and the Universe revolves around
it!!!!!


   To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
   From: skywise@...
   Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:21:04 -0700
   Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

   Shapeshifting of ANY kind has never been documented or proven.
   And it never will be.
   It it could be done it would be the story of the century.
   I am still calling it total BS.
   EB told us for years to stop looking for bigfoot because it it was a
shapeshifter
   and he had proof. But for some mystifing reason, EB never produced one shred
   of proof of his claims....wonder why?
   I am an American Indian.
   I have seen a bigfoot.
   It did not shapeshift.
   It was not an alien.
   It was not an android.
   It did not step into another dimension and escape.
   It was a flesh & blood animal as far as we could tell.
   Just like the old tribe members said it was.
   It was at home in the forest and we were the intruders.

   Skywise
   Oklahoma

   --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@...> wrote:

   From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@...>
   Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator
   To: "oklahoma monkey" <oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com>
   Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 12:16 AM

   I've worked with a quechua shaman in Ecuador who could shape shift. So I know
this can be done. It's not that uncommon with the shamans of south america.
Another point is, just because

   for instance , bigfoot can shape shift, doesn't mean they aren't real. I
believe they certainly are real. They are just able to travel in and out of our
physical world. What most westerners don't understand is that these alternate
realities, or parallel realities , are just as real if not more real than our
physical world. Most of the worlds religions are based on the premise that there
is another form of reality called the spiritual realm.

   [I approved this message as it's in response to a previous post, but lets get
the discussion back on track please. Thank you.]

   To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com

   From: denise.hall94@ yahoo.com

   Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:00:02 -0700

   Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

   Would they believe they could shapeshift -themselves- probably not.( people)

   ____________ _________ _________ __

   From: Skywise <skywise@sbcglobal. net>

   To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com

   Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 11:31:00 AM

   Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

   I am someone who understands the American Indian culture very well.

   I am Choctaw. I have lived on a reservation. I attended an Indian school.

   It is usually very intuitive into ones understanding of Indian culture when

   the peoples of the tribes are referred to as "Native Americans".

   No one I know calls himself a "Native American".

   We are American Indians.

   And that is how we refer to ourselves.

   As an American Indian, I understand very well the culture and belief

   system. I should, I grew up in it.

   Yes, bigfoot, or whatever it may be known as in hundreds of American

   Indian languages is sometimes viewed as spiritual.

   But so are ALL animals in nature.

   Take, for instance, the coyote, the owl, the bear, and the crow.

   All have very spiritual places in American Indian culture, with plenty of

   spooky stories and superstitions to go with them. But we know they

   are very real flesh & blood animals.

   So to infer that since American Indians support the idea that bigfoot is

   spiritual, or otherworldly, that this is evidence of what some may claim

   to be a shapechanging, dimension walking entity, should, at best, be

   taken with a grain of salt.

   Because MOST animals are viewed as being otherworldly, or spirits,

   if you will, by Indian culture.

   Does anyone believe that the coyote is a shapechanger, or trickster?

   Does anyone believe that the bear form houses the spirits of slain warriors?

   Does anyone believe that the owl is the harbinger of death?

   Does anyone believe that the crow is a sign of bad luck?

   The same Indians who told the stories of the bigfoot, or Big Man, or

   whatever he is called by any tribe believed these things.

   Do we still believe them?

   So why would we still believe such of the Big Man?

   Just some things to ponder...

   Still firmly in the totally flesh & blood camp..

   And all the rest is BS.

   Skywise

   --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com> wrote:

   From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com>

   Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

   To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com

   Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:16 PM

   For you who are so mound to the belief that there is only this physical
reality, it's very apparent that many native american tribes understand the
nature of conciousness and reality. For them Bigfoot is both a physical and
spiritual being able to travel back and forth.

   Here's an part of an article about this:

   The Lakota, or western Sioux, call Bigfoot Chiye-tanka (Chiha-tanka in Dakota
or eastern Sioux); "chiye" means "elder brother" and "tanka" means "great" or
"big". In English, though, the Sioux usually call him "the big man". In his book
"The spirit of Crazy Horse," (Viking, 1980), a non-fiction account of the events
dramatized by the excellent recent movie "Thunderheart" , author Peter
Mathiessen recorded some comments about Bigfoot made by traditional Sioux people
and some members of other Indian nations. Joe Flying By, a Hunkpapa Lakota, told
Mathiessen, "I think the Big Man is a kind of husband of Unk-ksa, the earth, who
is wise in the way of anything with its own natural wisdom. Sometimes we say
that this One is a kind of reptile from the ancient times who can take a big
hairy form; I also think he can change into a coyote. Some of the people who saw
him did not respect what they were seeing, and they are already gone."

   "There is your Big man standing there, ever waiting, ever present, like the
coming of a new day," Oglala Lakota Medicine Man Pete Catches told Mathiessen.
"He is both spirit and real being, but he can also glide through the forest,
like a moose with big antlers, as though the trees weren't there... I know him
as my brother... I want him to touch me, just a touch, a blessing, something I
could bring home to my sons and grandchildren, that I was there, that I
approached him, and he touched me."

   Ray Owen, son of a Dakota spiritual leader from Prairie Island Reservation in
Minnesota, told a reporter from (the) Red Wing (Minnesota) Republican Eagle,
"They exist in another dimension from us, but can appear in this dimension
whenever they have a reason to. See, it's like there are many levels, many
dimensions. When our time in this one is finished, we move on to the next, but
the Big Man can go between. The Big Man comes from God. He's our big brother,
kind of looks out for us. Two years ago, we were going downhill, really
self-destructive. We needed a sign to put us back on track, and that's why the
Big Man appeared".

   Ralph Gray Wolf, a visiting Athapaskan Indian from Alaska, told the reporter,
"In our way of beliefs, they make appearances at troubled times", to help
troubled Indian communities "get more in tune with Mother Earth". Bigfoot brings
"signs or messages that there is a need to change, a need to cleanse," (Minn.
news article, "Giant Footprint Signals a Time to Seek Change," July 23,1988).

   Mathiessen reported similar views among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway in North
Dakota, that Bigfoot --- whom they call Rugaru -- "appears in symptoms of danger
or psychic disruption to the community." When I read this, I wondered if it
contradicted my hypothesis that the Ojibways had identified Bigfoot with
Windago, the sinister cannibal-giant of their legends (see Track Record #14); I
had surmised that because I had never heard of any other names for, or
references to Bigfoot in Ojibway culture, even though there must have been
sightings in woodlands around the Great lakes, and indeed sightings in that
region have been reported by non-Indians. But the Turtle Mountain band is one of
the few Ojibway bands to have moved much farther west than most of their nation;
and Rugaru is not a native Ojibway word. Nor does it come from the languages of
neighboring Indian peoples. However, it has a striking sound similarity to the
French word for werewolf, loup- garou,

   and there is quite a bit of French influence among the Turtle Mountain
Ojibway. (French-Canadian trappers and missionaries were the first whites that
they dealt with extensively, and many tribal members today bear French
surnames), so it doesn't seem far-fetched that the Turtle Mountain Ojibway
picked up the French name for hairy human- like being, while at the same time
taking on their neighbors positive, reverent, attitude toward Bigfoot. After
all, the Plains Cree -- even though they retain a memory of their eastern
cousins tradition of the Wetiko (as the Windigo is called in Cree) -- have
seemed similarly to take on the western tribes view of Bigfoot as they moved
west.

   The Hopi elders say that the increasing appearances of Bigfoot are not only a
message or warning to the individuals or communities to whom he appears, but to
humankind at large.. As Mathiessen puts it, they see Bigfoot as "a messenger who
appears in evil times as a warning from the Creator that man's disrespect for
His sacred instructions has upset the harmony and balance of existence." To the
Hopi, the "big hairy man" is just one form that the messenger can take.

   The Iroquois (Six Nations Confederacy) of the Northeast -- although they live
in close proximity to the eastern Algonkian tribes with their Windigo legends --
view Bigfoot much in the same way the Hopi do, as a messenger from the Creator
trying to warn humans to change their ways or face disaster. However, mentioned
among Iroquois much more often than Bigfoot are the "little people" who are said
to inhabit the Adirondacks mountains. I never heard any first-hand stories among
the Iroqouis about encounters with these "little people" -- for that matter, I
never heard and first- hand stories in that region about Bigfoot, either -- but
the Iroquois pass down stories about hunters who occasionally saw small
human-like beings in the Adirondacks (which are not all that far from the
Catskills, where Rip Van Winkle was alleged to have met some little bowlers)
(and slept for 100 years -HF). Some present-day Iroquois assert that the "little
people" are still there,

   just not seen as often because the Iroquois don't spend as much time hunting
up in the mountains as they used to. many Iroquois seem to regard both Bigfoot
and the "little people" as spiritual or interdimensional beings who can enter or
leave our physical dimension as they please, and choose to whom they present
themselves, always for a reason.

   So, do I know for sure this is what is happening, no. But I think it's very
important to keep our minds open, or should I say " think out of the box" when
dealing with this mystery. That's what the native americans call life and the
creator, the great mystery.

   I don't expect most of you to understand what I'm saying, because you live in
a culture that is completely disconnected from nature. A culture that has
wrecked havoc on mother earth and has a total disregard for the animals and
plant beings of this earth. Maybe that's what bigfoot is being sent here for. To
be a messanger to humans to learn through their conciousness to transform thier
lives in order to not only save themselves, but more importantly to save the
creatures here that were here before us and us deserve our love and respect.

   Many Blessings,

   Gordon

   --- In oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com, "Jimmy" <jimmyandrada@ ...>
wrote:

   >

   > Honestly I like to hear others opinions about what they think.. Truth is
nobody knows everything there is to know. It be funny ot think he could travel
in different dimensions but I had someoen tell me he was dropped here by ufo's
as kind fo like a prison in hopes we would slaughter them or they slaughter us
lol..wanna talk about gettin deep!I hope we do someday figure out way more about
him though. he is one awesome creature! The way I see it, bigfoot has the
advantage anyway, his home is the great outdoors, I doubt there be anyone in the
world with enough experience that could outsmart him. Honestly, I think its kind
of scary to think that the only reason bigfoot may stay away from us and be so
elsuvie is based on the fact that he fears us cause he does not know us. That
and the fact there are still plenty of unexplored territory around to. Makes me
wonder if Bigfoot ever realized how weak we really are as humans, would he be
more apt to get braver

   or could that turn into something disasterous! ?? They may kill and eat us
lol. Just a little humor guys lol..Either way, bigfoot is one heck of a creature
and I hope that the day we do ever get proof its a peaceful situation and not a
blood thirsty murder. At least he is smart enough to not get hit by oncoming
traffic and seen laying on the road. I do have a question though.. I live in
Altus..has anyone heard of any reports around here lately?? just curious, I
would personally like to see him for myself.

   >

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To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
From: skywise@...
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:21:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator





Shapeshifting of ANY kind has never been documented or proven.
And it never will be.
It it could be done it would be the story of the century.
I am still calling it total BS.
EB told us for years to stop looking for bigfoot because it it was a
shapeshifter
and he had proof. But for some mystifing reason, EB never produced one shred
of proof of his claims....wonder why?
I am an American Indian.
I have seen a bigfoot.
It did not shapeshift.
It was not an alien.
It was not an android.
It did not step into another dimension and escape.
It was a flesh & blood animal as far as we could tell.
Just like the old tribe members said it was.
It was at home in the forest and we were the intruders.

Skywise
Oklahoma

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@...> wrote:

From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@...>
Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator
To: "oklahoma monkey" <oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 12:16 AM

I've worked with a quechua shaman in Ecuador who could shape shift. So I know
this can be done. It's not that uncommon with the shamans of south america.
Another point is, just because

for instance , bigfoot can shape shift, doesn't mean they aren't real. I believe
they certainly are real. They are just able to travel in and out of our physical
world. What most westerners don't understand is that these alternate realities,
or parallel realities , are just as real if not more real than our physical
world. Most of the worlds religions are based on the premise that there is
another form of reality called the spiritual realm.

[I approved this message as it's in response to a previous post, but lets get
the discussion back on track please. Thank you.]

To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com

From: denise.hall94@ yahoo.com

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:00:02 -0700

Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

Would they believe they could shapeshift -themselves- probably not.( people)

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Skywise <skywise@sbcglobal. net>

To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 11:31:00 AM

Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

I am someone who understands the American Indian culture very well.

I am Choctaw. I have lived on a reservation. I attended an Indian school.

It is usually very intuitive into ones understanding of Indian culture when

the peoples of the tribes are referred to as "Native Americans".

No one I know calls himself a "Native American".

We are American Indians.

And that is how we refer to ourselves.

As an American Indian, I understand very well the culture and belief

system. I should, I grew up in it.

Yes, bigfoot, or whatever it may be known as in hundreds of American

Indian languages is sometimes viewed as spiritual.

But so are ALL animals in nature.

Take, for instance, the coyote, the owl, the bear, and the crow.

All have very spiritual places in American Indian culture, with plenty of

spooky stories and superstitions to go with them. But we know they

are very real flesh & blood animals.

So to infer that since American Indians support the idea that bigfoot is

spiritual, or otherworldly, that this is evidence of what some may claim

to be a shapechanging, dimension walking entity, should, at best, be

taken with a grain of salt.

Because MOST animals are viewed as being otherworldly, or spirits,

if you will, by Indian culture.

Does anyone believe that the coyote is a shapechanger, or trickster?

Does anyone believe that the bear form houses the spirits of slain warriors?

Does anyone believe that the owl is the harbinger of death?

Does anyone believe that the crow is a sign of bad luck?

The same Indians who told the stories of the bigfoot, or Big Man, or

whatever he is called by any tribe believed these things.

Do we still believe them?

So why would we still believe such of the Big Man?

Just some things to ponder...

Still firmly in the totally flesh & blood camp..

And all the rest is BS.

Skywise

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com>

Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com

Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:16 PM

For you who are so mound to the belief that there is only this physical reality,
it's very apparent that many native american tribes understand the nature of
conciousness and reality. For them Bigfoot is both a physical and spiritual
being able to travel back and forth.

Here's an part of an article about this:

The Lakota, or western Sioux, call Bigfoot Chiye-tanka (Chiha-tanka in Dakota or
eastern Sioux); "chiye" means "elder brother" and "tanka" means "great" or
"big". In English, though, the Sioux usually call him "the big man". In his book
"The spirit of Crazy Horse," (Viking, 1980), a non-fiction account of the events
dramatized by the excellent recent movie "Thunderheart" , author Peter
Mathiessen recorded some comments about Bigfoot made by traditional Sioux people
and some members of other Indian nations. Joe Flying By, a Hunkpapa Lakota, told
Mathiessen, "I think the Big Man is a kind of husband of Unk-ksa, the earth, who
is wise in the way of anything with its own natural wisdom. Sometimes we say
that this One is a kind of reptile from the ancient times who can take a big
hairy form; I also think he can change into a coyote. Some of the people who saw
him did not respect what they were seeing, and they are already gone."

"There is your Big man standing there, ever waiting, ever present, like the
coming of a new day," Oglala Lakota Medicine Man Pete Catches told Mathiessen.
"He is both spirit and real being, but he can also glide through the forest,
like a moose with big antlers, as though the trees weren't there... I know him
as my brother... I want him to touch me, just a touch, a blessing, something I
could bring home to my sons and grandchildren, that I was there, that I
approached him, and he touched me."

Ray Owen, son of a Dakota spiritual leader from Prairie Island Reservation in
Minnesota, told a reporter from (the) Red Wing (Minnesota) Republican Eagle,
"They exist in another dimension from us, but can appear in this dimension
whenever they have a reason to. See, it's like there are many levels, many
dimensions. When our time in this one is finished, we move on to the next, but
the Big Man can go between. The Big Man comes from God. He's our big brother,
kind of looks out for us. Two years ago, we were going downhill, really
self-destructive. We needed a sign to put us back on track, and that's why the
Big Man appeared".

Ralph Gray Wolf, a visiting Athapaskan Indian from Alaska, told the reporter,
"In our way of beliefs, they make appearances at troubled times", to help
troubled Indian communities "get more in tune with Mother Earth". Bigfoot brings
"signs or messages that there is a need to change, a need to cleanse," (Minn.
news article, "Giant Footprint Signals a Time to Seek Change," July 23,1988).

Mathiessen reported similar views among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway in North
Dakota, that Bigfoot --- whom they call Rugaru -- "appears in symptoms of danger
or psychic disruption to the community." When I read this, I wondered if it
contradicted my hypothesis that the Ojibways had identified Bigfoot with
Windago, the sinister cannibal-giant of their legends (see Track Record #14); I
had surmised that because I had never heard of any other names for, or
references to Bigfoot in Ojibway culture, even though there must have been
sightings in woodlands around the Great lakes, and indeed sightings in that
region have been reported by non-Indians. But the Turtle Mountain band is one of
the few Ojibway bands to have moved much farther west than most of their nation;
and Rugaru is not a native Ojibway word. Nor does it come from the languages of
neighboring Indian peoples. However, it has a striking sound similarity to the
French word for werewolf, loup- garou,

and there is quite a bit of French influence among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway.
(French-Canadian trappers and missionaries were the first whites that they dealt
with extensively, and many tribal members today bear French surnames), so it
doesn't seem far-fetched that the Turtle Mountain Ojibway picked up the French
name for hairy human- like being, while at the same time taking on their
neighbors positive, reverent, attitude toward Bigfoot. After all, the Plains
Cree -- even though they retain a memory of their eastern cousins tradition of
the Wetiko (as the Windigo is called in Cree) -- have seemed similarly to take
on the western tribes view of Bigfoot as they moved west.

The Hopi elders say that the increasing appearances of Bigfoot are not only a
message or warning to the individuals or communities to whom he appears, but to
humankind at large.. As Mathiessen puts it, they see Bigfoot as "a messenger who
appears in evil times as a warning from the Creator that man's disrespect for
His sacred instructions has upset the harmony and balance of existence." To the
Hopi, the "big hairy man" is just one form that the messenger can take.

The Iroquois (Six Nations Confederacy) of the Northeast -- although they live in
close proximity to the eastern Algonkian tribes with their Windigo legends --
view Bigfoot much in the same way the Hopi do, as a messenger from the Creator
trying to warn humans to change their ways or face disaster. However, mentioned
among Iroquois much more often than Bigfoot are the "little people" who are said
to inhabit the Adirondacks mountains. I never heard any first-hand stories among
the Iroqouis about encounters with these "little people" -- for that matter, I
never heard and first- hand stories in that region about Bigfoot, either -- but
the Iroquois pass down stories about hunters who occasionally saw small
human-like beings in the Adirondacks (which are not all that far from the
Catskills, where Rip Van Winkle was alleged to have met some little bowlers)
(and slept for 100 years -HF). Some present-day Iroquois assert that the "little
people" are still there,

just not seen as often because the Iroquois don't spend as much time hunting up
in the mountains as they used to. many Iroquois seem to regard both Bigfoot and
the "little people" as spiritual or interdimensional beings who can enter or
leave our physical dimension as they please, and choose to whom they present
themselves, always for a reason.

So, do I know for sure this is what is happening, no. But I think it's very
important to keep our minds open, or should I say " think out of the box" when
dealing with this mystery. That's what the native americans call life and the
creator, the great mystery.

I don't expect most of you to understand what I'm saying, because you live in a
culture that is completely disconnected from nature. A culture that has wrecked
havoc on mother earth and has a total disregard for the animals and plant beings
of this earth. Maybe that's what bigfoot is being sent here for. To be a
messanger to humans to learn through their conciousness to transform thier lives
in order to not only save themselves, but more importantly to save the creatures
here that were here before us and us deserve our love and respect.

Many Blessings,

Gordon

--- In oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com, "Jimmy" <jimmyandrada@ ...>
wrote:

>

> Honestly I like to hear others opinions about what they think.. Truth is
nobody knows everything there is to know. It be funny ot think he could travel
in different dimensions but I had someoen tell me he was dropped here by ufo's
as kind fo like a prison in hopes we would slaughter them or they slaughter us
lol..wanna talk about gettin deep!I hope we do someday figure out way more about
him though. he is one awesome creature! The way I see it, bigfoot has the
advantage anyway, his home is the great outdoors, I doubt there be anyone in the
world with enough experience that could outsmart him. Honestly, I think its kind
of scary to think that the only reason bigfoot may stay away from us and be so
elsuvie is based on the fact that he fears us cause he does not know us. That
and the fact there are still plenty of unexplored territory around to. Makes me
wonder if Bigfoot ever realized how weak we really are as humans, would he be
more apt to get braver

or could that turn into something disasterous! ?? They may kill and eat us lol.
Just a little humor guys lol..Either way, bigfoot is one heck of a creature and
I hope that the day we do ever get proof its a peaceful situation and not a
blood thirsty murder. At least he is smart enough to not get hit by oncoming
traffic and seen laying on the road. I do have a question though.. I live in
Altus..has anyone heard of any reports around here lately?? just curious, I
would personally like to see him for myself.

>

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From: Skywise <skywise@...>
To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:21:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator


Shapeshifting of ANY kind has never been documented or proven.
And it never will be.
It it could be done it would be the story of the century.
I am still calling it total BS.
EB told us for years to stop looking for bigfoot because it it was a
shapeshifter
and he had proof. But for some mystifing reason, EB never produced one shred
of proof of his claims....wonder why?
I am an American Indian.
I have seen a bigfoot.
It did not shapeshift.
It was not an alien.
It was not an android.
It did not step into another dimension and escape.
It was a flesh & blood animal as far as we could tell.
Just like the old tribe members said it was.
It was at home in the forest and we were the intruders.

Skywise
Oklahoma


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Absolutely Skywise!

--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Skywise <skywise@...> wrote:

From: Skywise <skywise@...>
Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator
To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 8:21 AM












             Shapeshifting of ANY kind has never been documented or proven.

And it never will be.

It it could be done it would be the story of the century.

I am still calling it total BS.

EB told us for years to stop looking for bigfoot because it it was a
shapeshifter

and he had proof. But for some mystifing reason, EB never produced one shred

of proof of his claims....wonder why?

I am an American Indian.

I have seen a bigfoot.

It did not shapeshift.

It was not an alien.

It was not an android.

It did not step into another dimension and escape.

It was a flesh & blood animal as far as we could tell.

Just like the old tribe members said it was.

It was at home in the forest and we were the intruders.



Skywise

Oklahoma



--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com> wrote:



From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com>

Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

To: "oklahoma monkey" <oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com>

Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 12:16 AM



I've worked with a quechua shaman in Ecuador who could shape shift. So I know
this can be done. It's not that uncommon with the shamans of south america. 
Another point is, just because



for instance , bigfoot can shape shift, doesn't mean they aren't real. I believe
they certainly are real. They are just able to travel in and out of our physical
world. What most westerners don't understand is that these alternate realities,
or parallel realities , are just as real if not more real than our physical
world. Most of the worlds religions are based on the premise that there is
another form of reality called the spiritual realm.



[I approved this message as it's in response to a previous post, but lets get
the discussion back on track please. Thank you.]



To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com



From: denise.hall94@ yahoo.com



Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:00:02 -0700



Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator



Would they believe they could shapeshift -themselves- probably not.( people)



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From: Skywise <skywise@sbcglobal. net>



To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com



Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 11:31:00 AM



Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator



I am someone who understands the American Indian culture very well.



I am Choctaw. I have lived on a reservation. I attended an Indian school.



It is usually very intuitive into ones understanding of Indian culture when



the peoples of the tribes are referred to as "Native Americans".



No one I know calls himself a "Native American".



We are American Indians.



And that is how we refer to ourselves.



As an American Indian, I understand very well the culture and belief



system. I should, I grew up in it.



Yes, bigfoot, or whatever it may be known as in hundreds of American



Indian languages is sometimes viewed as spiritual.



But so are ALL animals in nature.



Take, for instance, the coyote, the owl, the bear, and the crow.



All have very spiritual places in American Indian culture, with plenty of



spooky stories and superstitions to go with them. But we know they



are very real flesh & blood animals.



So to infer that since American Indians support the idea that bigfoot is



spiritual, or otherworldly, that this is evidence of what some may claim



to be a shapechanging, dimension walking entity, should, at best, be



taken with a grain of salt.



Because MOST animals are viewed as being otherworldly, or spirits,



if you will, by Indian culture.



Does anyone believe that the coyote is a shapechanger, or trickster?



Does anyone believe that the bear form houses the spirits of slain warriors?



Does anyone believe that the owl is the harbinger of death?



Does anyone believe that the crow is a sign of bad luck?



The same Indians who told the stories of the bigfoot, or Big Man, or



whatever he is called by any tribe believed these things.



Do we still believe them?



So why would we still believe such of the Big Man?



Just some things to ponder...



Still firmly in the totally flesh & blood camp..



And all the rest is BS.



Skywise



--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com> wrote:



From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com>



Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator



To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com



Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:16 PM



For you who are so mound to the belief that there is only this physical reality,
it's very apparent that many native american tribes understand the nature of
conciousness and reality. For them Bigfoot is both a physical and spiritual
being able to travel back and forth.



Here's an part of an article about this:



The Lakota, or western Sioux, call Bigfoot Chiye-tanka (Chiha-tanka in Dakota or
eastern Sioux); "chiye" means "elder brother" and "tanka" means "great" or
"big". In English, though, the Sioux usually call him "the big man". In his book
"The spirit of Crazy Horse," (Viking, 1980), a non-fiction account of the events
dramatized by the excellent recent movie "Thunderheart" , author Peter
Mathiessen recorded some comments about Bigfoot made by traditional Sioux people
and some members of other Indian nations. Joe Flying By, a Hunkpapa Lakota, told
Mathiessen, "I think the Big Man is a kind of husband of Unk-ksa, the earth, who
is wise in the way of anything with its own natural wisdom. Sometimes we say
that this One is a kind of reptile from the ancient times who can take a big
hairy form; I also think he can change into a coyote. Some of the people who saw
him did not respect what they were seeing, and they are already gone."



"There is your Big man standing there, ever waiting, ever present, like the
coming of a new day," Oglala Lakota Medicine Man Pete Catches told Mathiessen.
"He is both spirit and real being, but he can also glide through the forest,
like a moose with big antlers, as though the trees weren't there... I know him
as my brother... I want him to touch me, just a touch, a blessing, something I
could bring home to my sons and grandchildren, that I was there, that I
approached him, and he touched me."



Ray Owen, son of a Dakota spiritual leader from Prairie Island Reservation in
Minnesota, told a reporter from (the) Red Wing (Minnesota) Republican Eagle,
"They exist in another dimension from us, but can appear in this dimension
whenever they have a reason to. See, it's like there are many levels, many
dimensions. When our time in this one is finished, we move on to the next, but
the Big Man can go between. The Big Man comes from God. He's our big brother,
kind of looks out for us. Two years ago, we were going downhill, really
self-destructive. We needed a sign to put us back on track, and that's why the
Big Man appeared".



Ralph Gray Wolf, a visiting Athapaskan Indian from Alaska, told the reporter,
"In our way of beliefs, they make appearances at troubled times", to help
troubled Indian communities "get more in tune with Mother Earth". Bigfoot brings
"signs or messages that there is a need to change, a need to cleanse," (Minn.
news article, "Giant Footprint Signals a Time to Seek Change," July 23,1988).



Mathiessen reported similar views among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway in North
Dakota, that Bigfoot --- whom they call Rugaru -- "appears in symptoms of danger
or psychic disruption to the community." When I read this, I wondered if it
contradicted my hypothesis that the Ojibways had identified Bigfoot with
Windago, the sinister cannibal-giant of their legends (see Track Record #14); I
had surmised that because I had never heard of any other names for, or
references to Bigfoot in Ojibway culture, even though there must have been
sightings in woodlands around the Great lakes, and indeed sightings in that
region have been reported by non-Indians. But the Turtle Mountain band is one of
the few Ojibway bands to have moved much farther west than most of their nation;
and Rugaru is not a native Ojibway word. Nor does it come from the languages of
neighboring Indian peoples. However, it has a striking sound similarity to the
French word for werewolf, loup- garou,



and there is quite a bit of French influence among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway.
(French-Canadian trappers and missionaries were the first whites that they dealt
with extensively, and many tribal members today bear French surnames), so it
doesn't seem far-fetched that the Turtle Mountain Ojibway picked up the French
name for hairy human- like being, while at the same time taking on their
neighbors positive, reverent, attitude toward Bigfoot. After all, the Plains
Cree -- even though they retain a memory of their eastern cousins tradition of
the Wetiko (as the Windigo is called in Cree) -- have seemed similarly to take
on the western tribes view of Bigfoot as they moved west.



The Hopi elders say that the increasing appearances of Bigfoot are not only a
message or warning to the individuals or communities to whom he appears, but to
humankind at large.. As Mathiessen puts it, they see Bigfoot as "a messenger who
appears in evil times as a warning from the Creator that man's disrespect for
His sacred instructions has upset the harmony and balance of existence." To the
Hopi, the "big hairy man" is just one form that the messenger can take.



The Iroquois (Six Nations Confederacy) of the Northeast -- although they live in
close proximity to the eastern Algonkian tribes with their Windigo legends --
view Bigfoot much in the same way the Hopi do, as a messenger from the Creator
trying to warn humans to change their ways or face disaster. However, mentioned
among Iroquois much more often than Bigfoot are the "little people" who are said
to inhabit the Adirondacks mountains. I never heard any first-hand stories among
the Iroqouis about encounters with these "little people" -- for that matter, I
never heard and first- hand stories in that region about Bigfoot, either -- but
the Iroquois pass down stories about hunters who occasionally saw small
human-like beings in the Adirondacks (which are not all that far from the
Catskills, where Rip Van Winkle was alleged to have met some little bowlers)
(and slept for 100 years -HF). Some present-day Iroquois assert that the "little
people" are still there,



just not seen as often because the Iroquois don't spend as much time hunting up
in the mountains as they used to. many Iroquois seem to regard both Bigfoot and
the "little people" as spiritual or interdimensional beings who can enter or
leave our physical dimension as they please, and choose to whom they present
themselves, always for a reason.



So, do I know for sure this is what is happening, no. But I think it's very
important to keep our minds open, or should I say " think out of the box" when
dealing with this mystery. That's what the native americans call life and the
creator, the great mystery.



I don't expect most of you to understand what I'm saying, because you live in a
culture that is completely disconnected from nature. A culture that has wrecked
havoc on mother earth and has a total disregard for the animals and plant beings
of this earth. Maybe that's what bigfoot is being sent here for. To be a
messanger to humans to learn through their conciousness to transform thier lives
in order to not only save themselves, but more importantly to save the creatures
here that were here before us and us deserve our love and respect.



Many Blessings,



Gordon



--- In oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com, "Jimmy" <jimmyandrada@ ...>
wrote:



>



> Honestly I like to hear others opinions about what they think.. Truth is
nobody knows everything there is to know. It be funny ot think he could travel
in different dimensions but I had someoen tell me he was dropped here by ufo's
as kind fo like a prison in hopes we would slaughter them or they slaughter us
lol..wanna talk about gettin deep!I hope we do someday figure out way more about
him though. he is one awesome creature! The way I see it, bigfoot has the
advantage anyway, his home is the great outdoors, I doubt there be anyone in the
world with enough experience that could outsmart him. Honestly, I think its kind
of scary to think that the only reason bigfoot may stay away from us and be so
elsuvie is based on the fact that he fears us cause he does not know us. That
and the fact there are still plenty of unexplored territory around to. Makes me
wonder if Bigfoot ever realized how weak we really are as humans, would he be
more apt to get braver



or could that turn into something disasterous! ?? They may kill and eat us lol.
Just a little humor guys lol..Either way, bigfoot is one heck of a creature and
I hope that the day we do ever get proof its a peaceful situation and not a
blood thirsty murder. At least he is smart enough to not get hit by oncoming
traffic and seen laying on the road. I do have a question though.. I live in
Altus..has anyone heard of any reports around here lately?? just curious, I
would personally like to see him for myself.



>



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Shapeshifting of ANY kind has never been documented or proven.
And it never will be.
It it could be done it would be the story of the century.
I am still calling it total BS.
EB told us for years to stop looking for bigfoot because it it was a
shapeshifter
and he had proof. But for some mystifing reason, EB never produced one shred
of proof of his claims....wonder why?
I am an American Indian.
I have seen a bigfoot.
It did not shapeshift.
It was not an alien.
It was not an android.
It did not step into another dimension and escape.
It was a flesh & blood animal as far as we could tell.
Just like the old tribe members said it was.
It was at home in the forest and we were the intruders.

Skywise
Oklahoma

--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@...> wrote:

From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@...>
Subject: RE: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator
To: "oklahoma monkey" <oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 12:16 AM












             I've worked with a quechua shaman in Ecuador who could shape shift.
So I know this can be done. It's not that uncommon with the shamans of south
america.  Another point is, just because



for instance , bigfoot can shape shift, doesn't mean they aren't real. I believe
they certainly are real. They are just able to travel in and out of our physical
world. What most westerners don't understand is that these alternate realities,
or parallel realities , are just as real if not more real than our physical
world. Most of the worlds religions are based on the premise that there is
another form of reality called the spiritual realm.



[I approved this message as it's in response to a previous post, but lets get
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From: denise.hall94@ yahoo.com

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:00:02 -0700

Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator



Would they believe they could shapeshift -themselves- probably not.( people)



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To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 11:31:00 AM

Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator



I am someone who understands the American Indian culture very well.

I am Choctaw. I have lived on a reservation. I attended an Indian school.

It is usually very intuitive into ones understanding of Indian culture when

the peoples of the tribes are referred to as "Native Americans".

No one I know calls himself a "Native American".

We are American Indians.

And that is how we refer to ourselves.

As an American Indian, I understand very well the culture and belief

system. I should, I grew up in it.

Yes, bigfoot, or whatever it may be known as in hundreds of American

Indian languages is sometimes viewed as spiritual.

But so are ALL animals in nature.

Take, for instance, the coyote, the owl, the bear, and the crow.

All have very spiritual places in American Indian culture, with plenty of

spooky stories and superstitions to go with them. But we know they

are very real flesh & blood animals.

So to infer that since American Indians support the idea that bigfoot is

spiritual, or otherworldly, that this is evidence of what some may claim

to be a shapechanging, dimension walking entity, should, at best, be

taken with a grain of salt.

Because MOST animals are viewed as being otherworldly, or spirits,

if you will, by Indian culture.

Does anyone believe that the coyote is a shapechanger, or trickster?

Does anyone believe that the bear form houses the spirits of slain warriors?

Does anyone believe that the owl is the harbinger of death?

Does anyone believe that the crow is a sign of bad luck?

The same Indians who told the stories of the bigfoot, or Big Man, or

whatever he is called by any tribe believed these things.

Do we still believe them?

So why would we still believe such of the Big Man?

Just some things to ponder...



Still firmly in the totally flesh & blood camp..

And all the rest is BS.



Skywise



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From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com>

Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com

Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:16 PM



For you who are so mound to the belief that there is only this physical reality,
it's very apparent that many native american tribes understand the nature of
conciousness and reality. For them Bigfoot is both a physical and spiritual
being able to travel back and forth.

Here's an part of an article about this:



The Lakota, or western Sioux, call Bigfoot Chiye-tanka (Chiha-tanka in Dakota or
eastern Sioux); "chiye" means "elder brother" and "tanka" means "great" or
"big". In English, though, the Sioux usually call him "the big man". In his book
"The spirit of Crazy Horse," (Viking, 1980), a non-fiction account of the events
dramatized by the excellent recent movie "Thunderheart" , author Peter
Mathiessen recorded some comments about Bigfoot made by traditional Sioux people
and some members of other Indian nations. Joe Flying By, a Hunkpapa Lakota, told
Mathiessen, "I think the Big Man is a kind of husband of Unk-ksa, the earth, who
is wise in the way of anything with its own natural wisdom. Sometimes we say
that this One is a kind of reptile from the ancient times who can take a big
hairy form; I also think he can change into a coyote. Some of the people who saw
him did not respect what they were seeing, and they are already gone."



"There is your Big man standing there, ever waiting, ever present, like the
coming of a new day," Oglala Lakota Medicine Man Pete Catches told Mathiessen.
"He is both spirit and real being, but he can also glide through the forest,
like a moose with big antlers, as though the trees weren't there... I know him
as my brother... I want him to touch me, just a touch, a blessing, something I
could bring home to my sons and grandchildren, that I was there, that I
approached him, and he touched me."



Ray Owen, son of a Dakota spiritual leader from Prairie Island Reservation in
Minnesota, told a reporter from (the) Red Wing (Minnesota) Republican Eagle,
"They exist in another dimension from us, but can appear in this dimension
whenever they have a reason to. See, it's like there are many levels, many
dimensions. When our time in this one is finished, we move on to the next, but
the Big Man can go between. The Big Man comes from God. He's our big brother,
kind of looks out for us. Two years ago, we were going downhill, really
self-destructive. We needed a sign to put us back on track, and that's why the
Big Man appeared".



Ralph Gray Wolf, a visiting Athapaskan Indian from Alaska, told the reporter,
"In our way of beliefs, they make appearances at troubled times", to help
troubled Indian communities "get more in tune with Mother Earth". Bigfoot brings
"signs or messages that there is a need to change, a need to cleanse," (Minn.
news article, "Giant Footprint Signals a Time to Seek Change," July 23,1988).



Mathiessen reported similar views among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway in North
Dakota, that Bigfoot --- whom they call Rugaru -- "appears in symptoms of danger
or psychic disruption to the community." When I read this, I wondered if it
contradicted my hypothesis that the Ojibways had identified Bigfoot with
Windago, the sinister cannibal-giant of their legends (see Track Record #14); I
had surmised that because I had never heard of any other names for, or
references to Bigfoot in Ojibway culture, even though there must have been
sightings in woodlands around the Great lakes, and indeed sightings in that
region have been reported by non-Indians. But the Turtle Mountain band is one of
the few Ojibway bands to have moved much farther west than most of their nation;
and Rugaru is not a native Ojibway word. Nor does it come from the languages of
neighboring Indian peoples. However, it has a striking sound similarity to the
French word for werewolf, loup- garou,

and there is quite a bit of French influence among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway.
(French-Canadian trappers and missionaries were the first whites that they dealt
with extensively, and many tribal members today bear French surnames), so it
doesn't seem far-fetched that the Turtle Mountain Ojibway picked up the French
name for hairy human- like being, while at the same time taking on their
neighbors positive, reverent, attitude toward Bigfoot. After all, the Plains
Cree -- even though they retain a memory of their eastern cousins tradition of
the Wetiko (as the Windigo is called in Cree) -- have seemed similarly to take
on the western tribes view of Bigfoot as they moved west.



The Hopi elders say that the increasing appearances of Bigfoot are not only a
message or warning to the individuals or communities to whom he appears, but to
humankind at large.. As Mathiessen puts it, they see Bigfoot as "a messenger who
appears in evil times as a warning from the Creator that man's disrespect for
His sacred instructions has upset the harmony and balance of existence." To the
Hopi, the "big hairy man" is just one form that the messenger can take.



The Iroquois (Six Nations Confederacy) of the Northeast -- although they live in
close proximity to the eastern Algonkian tribes with their Windigo legends --
view Bigfoot much in the same way the Hopi do, as a messenger from the Creator
trying to warn humans to change their ways or face disaster. However, mentioned
among Iroquois much more often than Bigfoot are the "little people" who are said
to inhabit the Adirondacks mountains. I never heard any first-hand stories among
the Iroqouis about encounters with these "little people" -- for that matter, I
never heard and first- hand stories in that region about Bigfoot, either -- but
the Iroquois pass down stories about hunters who occasionally saw small
human-like beings in the Adirondacks (which are not all that far from the
Catskills, where Rip Van Winkle was alleged to have met some little bowlers)
(and slept for 100 years -HF). Some present-day Iroquois assert that the "little
people" are still there,

just not seen as often because the Iroquois don't spend as much time hunting up
in the mountains as they used to. many Iroquois seem to regard both Bigfoot and
the "little people" as spiritual or interdimensional beings who can enter or
leave our physical dimension as they please, and choose to whom they present
themselves, always for a reason.



So, do I know for sure this is what is happening, no. But I think it's very
important to keep our minds open, or should I say " think out of the box" when
dealing with this mystery. That's what the native americans call life and the
creator, the great mystery.

I don't expect most of you to understand what I'm saying, because you live in a
culture that is completely disconnected from nature. A culture that has wrecked
havoc on mother earth and has a total disregard for the animals and plant beings
of this earth. Maybe that's what bigfoot is being sent here for. To be a
messanger to humans to learn through their conciousness to transform thier lives
in order to not only save themselves, but more importantly to save the creatures
here that were here before us and us deserve our love and respect.



Many Blessings,



Gordon



--- In oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com, "Jimmy" <jimmyandrada@ ...>
wrote:

>

> Honestly I like to hear others opinions about what they think.. Truth is
nobody knows everything there is to know. It be funny ot think he could travel
in different dimensions but I had someoen tell me he was dropped here by ufo's
as kind fo like a prison in hopes we would slaughter them or they slaughter us
lol..wanna talk about gettin deep!I hope we do someday figure out way more about
him though. he is one awesome creature! The way I see it, bigfoot has the
advantage anyway, his home is the great outdoors, I doubt there be anyone in the
world with enough experience that could outsmart him. Honestly, I think its kind
of scary to think that the only reason bigfoot may stay away from us and be so
elsuvie is based on the fact that he fears us cause he does not know us. That
and the fact there are still plenty of unexplored territory around to. Makes me
wonder if Bigfoot ever realized how weak we really are as humans, would he be
more apt to get braver

or could that turn into something disasterous! ?? They may kill and eat us lol.
Just a little humor guys lol..Either way, bigfoot is one heck of a creature and
I hope that the day we do ever get proof its a peaceful situation and not a
blood thirsty murder. At least he is smart enough to not get hit by oncoming
traffic and seen laying on the road. I do have a question though.. I live in
Altus..has anyone heard of any reports around here lately?? just curious, I
would personally like to see him for myself.

>



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I've worked with a quechua shaman in Ecuador who could shape shift. So I know
this can be done. It's not that uncommon with the shamans of south america. 
Another point is, just because

for instance , bigfoot can shape shift, doesn't mean they aren't real. I believe
they certainly are real. They are just able to travel in and out of our physical
world. What most westerners don't understand is that these alternate realities,
or parallel realities , are just as real if not more real than our physical
world. Most of the worlds religions are based on the premise that there is
another form of reality called the spiritual realm.

[I approved this message as it's in response to a previous post, but lets get
the discussion back on track please. Thank you.]



To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
From: denise.hall94@...
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:00:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator





Would they believe they could shapeshift -themselves- probably not.( people)

________________________________
From: Skywise <skywise@...>
To: oklahomamonkeychasers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 11:31:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator

I am someone who understands the American Indian culture very well.
I am Choctaw. I have lived on a reservation. I attended an Indian school.
It is usually very intuitive into ones understanding of Indian culture when
the peoples of the tribes are referred to as "Native Americans".
No one I know calls himself a "Native American".
We are American Indians.
And that is how we refer to ourselves.
As an American Indian, I understand very well the culture and belief
system. I should, I grew up in it.
Yes, bigfoot, or whatever it may be known as in hundreds of American
Indian languages is sometimes viewed as spiritual.
But so are ALL animals in nature.
Take, for instance, the coyote, the owl, the bear, and the crow.
All have very spiritual places in American Indian culture, with plenty of
spooky stories and superstitions to go with them. But we know they
are very real flesh & blood animals.
So to infer that since American Indians support the idea that bigfoot is
spiritual, or otherworldly, that this is evidence of what some may claim
to be a shapechanging, dimension walking entity, should, at best, be
taken with a grain of salt.
Because MOST animals are viewed as being otherworldly, or spirits,
if you will, by Indian culture.
Does anyone believe that the coyote is a shapechanger, or trickster?
Does anyone believe that the bear form houses the spirits of slain warriors?
Does anyone believe that the owl is the harbinger of death?
Does anyone believe that the crow is a sign of bad luck?
The same Indians who told the stories of the bigfoot, or Big Man, or
whatever he is called by any tribe believed these things.
Do we still believe them?
So why would we still believe such of the Big Man?
Just some things to ponder...

Still firmly in the totally flesh & blood camp..
And all the rest is BS.

Skywise

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Gordon Kuhne <gordonkuhne@ hotmail.com>
Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator
To: oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 11:16 PM

For you who are so mound to the belief that there is only this physical reality,
it's very apparent that many native american tribes understand the nature of
conciousness and reality. For them Bigfoot is both a physical and spiritual
being able to travel back and forth.
Here's an part of an article about this:

The Lakota, or western Sioux, call Bigfoot Chiye-tanka (Chiha-tanka in Dakota or
eastern Sioux); "chiye" means "elder brother" and "tanka" means "great" or
"big". In English, though, the Sioux usually call him "the big man". In his book
"The spirit of Crazy Horse," (Viking, 1980), a non-fiction account of the events
dramatized by the excellent recent movie "Thunderheart" , author Peter
Mathiessen recorded some comments about Bigfoot made by traditional Sioux people
and some members of other Indian nations. Joe Flying By, a Hunkpapa Lakota, told
Mathiessen, "I think the Big Man is a kind of husband of Unk-ksa, the earth, who
is wise in the way of anything with its own natural wisdom. Sometimes we say
that this One is a kind of reptile from the ancient times who can take a big
hairy form; I also think he can change into a coyote. Some of the people who saw
him did not respect what they were seeing, and they are already gone."

"There is your Big man standing there, ever waiting, ever present, like the
coming of a new day," Oglala Lakota Medicine Man Pete Catches told Mathiessen.
"He is both spirit and real being, but he can also glide through the forest,
like a moose with big antlers, as though the trees weren't there... I know him
as my brother... I want him to touch me, just a touch, a blessing, something I
could bring home to my sons and grandchildren, that I was there, that I
approached him, and he touched me."

Ray Owen, son of a Dakota spiritual leader from Prairie Island Reservation in
Minnesota, told a reporter from (the) Red Wing (Minnesota) Republican Eagle,
"They exist in another dimension from us, but can appear in this dimension
whenever they have a reason to. See, it's like there are many levels, many
dimensions. When our time in this one is finished, we move on to the next, but
the Big Man can go between. The Big Man comes from God. He's our big brother,
kind of looks out for us. Two years ago, we were going downhill, really
self-destructive. We needed a sign to put us back on track, and that's why the
Big Man appeared".

Ralph Gray Wolf, a visiting Athapaskan Indian from Alaska, told the reporter,
"In our way of beliefs, they make appearances at troubled times", to help
troubled Indian communities "get more in tune with Mother Earth". Bigfoot brings
"signs or messages that there is a need to change, a need to cleanse," (Minn.
news article, "Giant Footprint Signals a Time to Seek Change," July 23,1988).

Mathiessen reported similar views among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway in North
Dakota, that Bigfoot --- whom they call Rugaru -- "appears in symptoms of danger
or psychic disruption to the community." When I read this, I wondered if it
contradicted my hypothesis that the Ojibways had identified Bigfoot with
Windago, the sinister cannibal-giant of their legends (see Track Record #14); I
had surmised that because I had never heard of any other names for, or
references to Bigfoot in Ojibway culture, even though there must have been
sightings in woodlands around the Great lakes, and indeed sightings in that
region have been reported by non-Indians. But the Turtle Mountain band is one of
the few Ojibway bands to have moved much farther west than most of their nation;
and Rugaru is not a native Ojibway word. Nor does it come from the languages of
neighboring Indian peoples. However, it has a striking sound similarity to the
French word for werewolf, loup- garou,
and there is quite a bit of French influence among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway.
(French-Canadian trappers and missionaries were the first whites that they dealt
with extensively, and many tribal members today bear French surnames), so it
doesn't seem far-fetched that the Turtle Mountain Ojibway picked up the French
name for hairy human- like being, while at the same time taking on their
neighbors positive, reverent, attitude toward Bigfoot. After all, the Plains
Cree -- even though they retain a memory of their eastern cousins tradition of
the Wetiko (as the Windigo is called in Cree) -- have seemed similarly to take
on the western tribes view of Bigfoot as they moved west.

The Hopi elders say that the increasing appearances of Bigfoot are not only a
message or warning to the individuals or communities to whom he appears, but to
humankind at large.. As Mathiessen puts it, they see Bigfoot as "a messenger who
appears in evil times as a warning from the Creator that man's disrespect for
His sacred instructions has upset the harmony and balance of existence." To the
Hopi, the "big hairy man" is just one form that the messenger can take.

The Iroquois (Six Nations Confederacy) of the Northeast -- although they live in
close proximity to the eastern Algonkian tribes with their Windigo legends --
view Bigfoot much in the same way the Hopi do, as a messenger from the Creator
trying to warn humans to change their ways or face disaster. However, mentioned
among Iroquois much more often than Bigfoot are the "little people" who are said
to inhabit the Adirondacks mountains. I never heard any first-hand stories among
the Iroqouis about encounters with these "little people" -- for that matter, I
never heard and first- hand stories in that region about Bigfoot, either -- but
the Iroquois pass down stories about hunters who occasionally saw small
human-like beings in the Adirondacks (which are not all that far from the
Catskills, where Rip Van Winkle was alleged to have met some little bowlers)
(and slept for 100 years -HF). Some present-day Iroquois assert that the "little
people" are still there,
just not seen as often because the Iroquois don't spend as much time hunting up
in the mountains as they used to. many Iroquois seem to regard both Bigfoot and
the "little people" as spiritual or interdimensional beings who can enter or
leave our physical dimension as they please, and choose to whom they present
themselves, always for a reason.

So, do I know for sure this is what is happening, no. But I think it's very
important to keep our minds open, or should I say " think out of the box" when
dealing with this mystery. That's what the native americans call life and the
creator, the great mystery.
I don't expect most of you to understand what I'm saying, because you live in a
culture that is completely disconnected from nature. A culture that has wrecked
havoc on mother earth and has a total disregard for the animals and plant beings
of this earth. Maybe that's what bigfoot is being sent here for. To be a
messanger to humans to learn through their conciousness to transform thier lives
in order to not only save themselves, but more importantly to save the creatures
here that were here before us and us deserve our love and respect.

Many Blessings,

Gordon

--- In oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com, "Jimmy" <jimmyandrada@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Honestly I like to hear others opinions about what they think.. Truth is
nobody knows everything there is to know. It be funny ot think he could travel
in different dimensions but I had someoen tell me he was dropped here by ufo's
as kind fo like a prison in hopes we would slaughter them or they slaughter us
lol..wanna talk about gettin deep!I hope we do someday figure out way more about
him though. he is one awesome creature! The way I see it, bigfoot has the
advantage anyway, his home is the great outdoors, I doubt there be anyone in the
world with enough experience that could outsmart him. Honestly, I think its kind
of scary to think that the only reason bigfoot may stay away from us and be so
elsuvie is based on the fact that he fears us cause he does not know us. That
and the fact there are still plenty of unexplored territory around to. Makes me
wonder if Bigfoot ever realized how weak we really are as humans, would he be
more apt to get braver
or could that turn into something disasterous! ?? They may kill and eat us lol.
Just a little humor guys lol..Either way, bigfoot is one heck of a creature and
I hope that the day we do ever get proof its a peaceful situation and not a
blood thirsty murder. At least he is smart enough to not get hit by oncoming
traffic and seen laying on the road. I do have a question though.. I live in
Altus..has anyone heard of any reports around here lately?? just curious, I
would personally like to see him for myself.
>

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Hey, I like those stories that is what I believe but probably because I have
indian blood, the people just want to kill something to see if it's real. They
just need to say okay he's real and believe and stop worrying about finding one
because he's probably right there and know one can see. And little people have
been seen in my area also, people should believe in everything, I had people
laugh at me about Kachinas oh, well there dumb.




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Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 9:16:42 PM
Subject: [Oklahoma Monkey Chasers] Re: To the Moderator



For you who are so mound to the belief that there is only this physical reality,
it's very apparent that many native american tribes understand the nature of
conciousness and reality. For them Bigfoot is both a physical and spiritual
being able to travel back and forth.
Here's an part of an article about this:

The Lakota, or western Sioux, call Bigfoot Chiye-tanka (Chiha-tanka in Dakota or
eastern Sioux); "chiye" means "elder brother" and "tanka" means "great" or
"big". In English, though, the Sioux usually call him "the big man". In his book
"The spirit of Crazy Horse," (Viking, 1980), a non-fiction account of the events
dramatized by the excellent recent movie "Thunderheart" , author Peter
Mathiessen recorded some comments about Bigfoot made by traditional Sioux people
and some members of other Indian nations. Joe Flying By, a Hunkpapa Lakota, told
Mathiessen, "I think the Big Man is a kind of husband of Unk-ksa, the earth, who
is wise in the way of anything with its own natural wisdom. Sometimes we say
that this One is a kind of reptile from the ancient times who can take a big
hairy form; I also think he can change into a coyote. Some of the people who saw
him did not respect what they were seeing, and they are already gone."

"There is your Big man standing there, ever waiting, ever present, like the
coming of a new day," Oglala Lakota Medicine Man Pete Catches told Mathiessen.
"He is both spirit and real being, but he can also glide through the forest,
like a moose with big antlers, as though the trees weren't there.... I know him
as my brother... I want him to touch me, just a touch, a blessing, something I
could bring home to my sons and grandchildren, that I was there, that I
approached him, and he touched me."

Ray Owen, son of a Dakota spiritual leader from Prairie Island Reservation in
Minnesota, told a reporter from (the) Red Wing (Minnesota) Republican Eagle,
"They exist in another dimension from us, but can appear in this dimension
whenever they have a reason to. See, it's like there are many levels, many
dimensions. When our time in this one is finished, we move on to the next, but
the Big Man can go between. The Big Man comes from God. He's our big brother,
kind of looks out for us. Two years ago, we were going downhill, really
self-destructive. We needed a sign to put us back on track, and that's why the
Big Man appeared".

Ralph Gray Wolf, a visiting Athapaskan Indian from Alaska, told the reporter,
"In our way of beliefs, they make appearances at troubled times", to help
troubled Indian communities "get more in tune with Mother Earth". Bigfoot brings
"signs or messages that there is a need to change, a need to cleanse," (Minn.
news article, "Giant Footprint Signals a Time to Seek Change," July 23,1988).

Mathiessen reported similar views among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway in North
Dakota, that Bigfoot --- whom they call Rugaru -- "appears in symptoms of danger
or psychic disruption to the community." When I read this, I wondered if it
contradicted my hypothesis that the Ojibways had identified Bigfoot with
Windago, the sinister cannibal-giant of their legends (see Track Record #14); I
had surmised that because I had never heard of any other names for, or
references to Bigfoot in Ojibway culture, even though there must have been
sightings in woodlands around the Great lakes, and indeed sightings in that
region have been reported by non-Indians. But the Turtle Mountain band is one of
the few Ojibway bands to have moved much farther west than most of their nation;
and Rugaru is not a native Ojibway word. Nor does it come from the languages of
neighboring Indian peoples. However, it has a striking sound similarity to the
French word for werewolf, loup- garou,
  and there is quite a bit of French influence among the Turtle Mountain Ojibway.
(French-Canadian trappers and missionaries were the first whites that they dealt
with extensively, and many tribal members today bear French surnames), so it
doesn't seem far-fetched that the Turtle Mountain Ojibway picked up the French
name for hairy human- like being, while at the same time taking on their
neighbors positive, reverent, attitude toward Bigfoot. After all, the Plains
Cree -- even though they retain a memory of their eastern cousins tradition of
the Wetiko (as the Windigo is called in Cree) -- have seemed similarly to take
on the western tribes view of Bigfoot as they moved west.

The Hopi elders say that the increasing appearances of Bigfoot are not only a
message or warning to the individuals or communities to whom he appears, but to
humankind at large. As Mathiessen puts it, they see Bigfoot as "a messenger who
appears in evil times as a warning from the Creator that man's disrespect for
His sacred instructions has upset the harmony and balance of existence." To the
Hopi, the "big hairy man" is just one form that the messenger can take.

The Iroquois (Six Nations Confederacy) of the Northeast -- although they live in
close proximity to the eastern Algonkian tribes with their Windigo legends --
view Bigfoot much in the same way the Hopi do, as a messenger from the Creator
trying to warn humans to change their ways or face disaster. However, mentioned
among Iroquois much more often than Bigfoot are the "little people" who are said
to inhabit the Adirondacks mountains. I never heard any first-hand stories among
the Iroqouis about encounters with these "little people" -- for that matter, I
never heard and first- hand stories in that region about Bigfoot, either -- but
the Iroquois pass down stories about hunters who occasionally saw small
human-like beings in the Adirondacks (which are not all that far from the
Catskills, where Rip Van Winkle was alleged to have met some little bowlers)
(and slept for 100 years -HF). Some present-day Iroquois assert that the "little
people" are still there,
  just not seen as often because the Iroquois don't spend as much time hunting up
in the mountains as they used to. many Iroquois seem to regard both Bigfoot and
the "little people" as spiritual or interdimensional beings who can enter or
leave our physical dimension as they please, and choose to whom they present
themselves, always for a reason.

So, do I know for sure this is what is happening, no. But I think it's very
important to keep our minds open, or should I say " think out of the box" when
dealing with this mystery. That's what the native americans call life and the
creator, the great mystery.
I don't expect most of you to understand what I'm saying, because you live in a
culture that is completely disconnected from nature. A culture that has wrecked
havoc on mother earth and has a total disregard for the animals and plant beings
of this earth. Maybe that's what bigfoot is being sent here for. To be a
messanger to humans to learn through their conciousness to transform thier lives
in order to not only save themselves, but more importantly to save the creatures
here that were here before us and us deserve our love and respect.

Many Blessings,

Gordon

--- In oklahomamonkeychase rs@yahoogroups. com, "Jimmy" <jimmyandrada@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Honestly I like to hear others opinions about what they think.. Truth is
nobody knows everything there is to know. It be funny ot think he could travel
in different dimensions but I had someoen tell me he was dropped here by ufo's
as kind fo like a prison in hopes we would slaughter them or they slaughter us
lol..wanna talk about gettin deep!I hope we do someday figure out way more about
him though. he is one awesome creature! The way I see it, bigfoot has the
advantage anyway, his home is the great outdoors, I doubt there be anyone in the
world with enough experience that could outsmart him. Honestly, I think its kind
of scary to think that the only reason bigfoot may stay away from us and be so
elsuvie is based on the fact that he fears us cause he does not know us. That
and the fact there are still plenty of unexplored territory around to. Makes me
wonder if Bigfoot ever realized how weak we really are as humans, would he be
more apt to get braver
  or could that turn into something disasterous! ?? They may kill and eat us lol.
Just a little humor guys lol..Either way, bigfoot is one heck of a creature and
I hope that the day we do ever get proof its a peaceful situation and not a
blood thirsty murder. At least he is smart enough to not get hit by oncoming
traffic and seen laying on the road. I do have a question though. I live in
Altus..has anyone heard of any reports around here lately?? just curious, I
would personally like to see him for myself.
>


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