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Re: [of] Re: Who do posts belong to in a forum?   Message List  
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[of] Re: Who do posts belong to in a forum?

So, this is my summary of the helpful messages so far:

*Legal context:* by writing in a forum you generally give up the
rights over your posts. There is a general legal principle of
"affirmative contributor agreement" i.e.

"If your forum had some kind of affirmative contributor agreement
whereby posters agreed that the forum owner had a non-terminable right
to distribute the posts, you would have grounds to retain the posts --
but otherwise, I think the author wins." (Peter Kaminski)

*Practical suggestion:* Make this legal context obvious i.e. When
people subscribe they have to click the "I agree" button to the
conditions, which are that moderators can delete messages and ban
people for contingent reasons i.e.

"If there's going to be such a strong interest on the part of the
founder/sponsor of the forum that moderators will be so empowered to
control the conversations, then people should be warned loudly at
registration about the conditions under which they will be
participating." (Cliff)

*Community advice:* There is a fine balance between feeling part of
the joke and feeling part of the community. This needs to be closely
moderated i.e.

"I don't know whether it applies to the community you were referring
to or not, however I can't help noticing how some persons can go on
and on about inside jokes without having the slightest idea of the
potential they have for originating feelings of exclusion in whoever
isn't part of the joke." (Rosanna Tarsiero)

*Positive thinking:* Being banned from a community offers an
opportunity to start another i.e.
"it appears that the Moderators have created an untolerable
situation for the community members. Rather than feeling sadness, you
might want to thank them for allowing you and the other community
members to start your own new community with reasonable and fair
moderation." (James Abert)


There's something you said that I didn't understand. Rosanna:

"I'm sorry for the feeling of injured identity, but I can't help
thinking that as long as we (generic) decide to engage in community
exchanged our own identity doesn't all belong to ourselves only any
more. It becomes a *negotiated* concept, therefore it doesn't depend
on the subject only anymore, it depends on the group as a whole."

What does that mean concretely? I understood the first bit to say that
while we discuss in a forum we are giving up any "ownership rights"
over our posts. But I didn't get the second bit - what is the "it"
that "depends on the group as a whole" and how does that manifest itself?

Cheers
Bev

Beverly Trayner
Web page: http://btrayner.info
Blog: http://btrayner.blogspot.com







Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:02 pm

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It's all too common that people join in online conversation without regard to policies about "word ownership." It's hard to conceive that some of these...
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Aug 29, 2006
7:15 pm

So, this is my summary of the helpful messages so far: *Legal context:* by writing in a forum you generally give up the rights over your posts. There is a...
Beverly Trayner
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Aug 29, 2006
9:10 pm

Bev, It=identity. Hence the final line (“And if the group decides it doesn't like your idea of yourself, reality (as in the real meaning of "negotiated...
Rosanna Tarsiero
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Aug 29, 2006
9:20 pm

Rosanna You might have to go a bit slowly with me here. In many things I'm quite happy when people explain things to me like I'm 5 :-) In the context of the...
Beverly Trayner
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Aug 29, 2006
9:50 pm

Hi again Bev, I edited my post as a blog entry and re-wrote it in some parts: "I can't help thinking that as long as we (generic) decide to engage in community...
Rosanna Tarsiero
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Aug 29, 2006
10:18 pm

Beverly summarizes, ... No, it's the other way around. *Unless* there is an affirmative contributor agreement, authors haven't given up any rights. Which is ...
Peter Kaminski
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Aug 29, 2006
9:46 pm

... Glad you made that point... when I saw this thread pop up, I meant to hop in and say "depends on the terms of service." I've always thought it would be...
Jon Lebkowsky
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Sep 1, 2006
12:46 pm

Like others here, I've found the examples shared very thought- provoking. I have also come across the issue in various guises over the years. Let me mention...
Bill Williams
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Sep 1, 2006
3:45 pm

Beverly Thanks for sharing such a rich, though sad story. To my mind, a forum is a public space (even if bounded by the community), and when you speak into a ...
Patrick Lambe Green C...
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Aug 30, 2006
3:37 am

... Patrick, Interesting ideas, but AFAIK this is a legal issue, and so the decision has likely been made -- those involved just need to discover it. My ...
Bill Harris
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Aug 30, 2006
4:02 am

Bill makes good points, here. BUT, legal systems ARE systems and, as such, are malleable. The force of reality CAN make a difference no matter WHAT...witness...
Rick Parkany
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Aug 30, 2006
10:34 am

Beverley's story is a true gift for us here, because of the way it portrays real events in an online community rather than hypothetical or hoped-for ones. I...
Andy Roberts
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Aug 30, 2006
8:08 am

Andy, You wrote: “It's very interesting that the dispute appears to have precipitated as a result of one group continuing a dialogue referring to f2f...
Rosanna Tarsiero
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Aug 30, 2006
8:49 am

I'm surprised you'd say that. It's primarily a perception based on extroverts being more visible and verbal. If you break out the % of personality styles by...
Christie Mason
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Aug 30, 2006
12:39 pm

Christie, I don’t know your sources, but starting from the Myers-Briggs and the PLSI on, almost any work I read states that extroverts outnumber introverts....
Rosanna Tarsiero
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Aug 30, 2006
12:49 pm

I agree that judging one trait over another trait is useless and divisive, however it happens all the time. I also agree that each of us can appear as one or...
Christie Mason
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Aug 30, 2006
2:20 pm

Christie, Fascinating observations! However you wrote: "Instead of starting a sling fest of unsubstantiated studies how about we agree that they're equal?" If...
Rosanna Tarsiero
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Aug 30, 2006
2:40 pm

Perceptions are not the same as reality. Prejudices are based on perceptions. You're right that people seem to need to define their prejudices based on...
Christie Mason
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Aug 30, 2006
3:11 pm

Christie, You asked: "You can pick an issue, any issue and see how the majority are swayed by the tyranny of the loudest appearing to be a majority." I admit I...
Rosanna Tarsiero
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Aug 30, 2006
3:27 pm

It's a huge factor in US politics and organizational politics. While I agree it "shouldn't" be that way, it is. Christie Mason PS Thanks for the explanation...
Christie Mason
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Aug 30, 2006
3:42 pm

Christie, You wrote: ""It's interesting to me howI have to fight to overcome my dislike of the layout each time to "hear" what you were saying, but that's...
Rosanna Tarsiero
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Aug 30, 2006
4:45 pm

Hi Rosanna, I haven't been on the board in a while, but noticed this thread and would like to engage you guys on the topic. I don't subscribe to personality...
l_r_i Offline Send Email Aug 31, 2006
2:23 am

Larry, I wholeheartedly agree with you! In fact the reason I think it’s so important to allow for *all* expressive modalities to happen without pushing *any*...
Rosanna Tarsiero
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Aug 31, 2006
3:00 am

Rosanna I hear and acknowledge your pain. I'm also conscious as I read your email of how many contextual references you are making that might make some people...
Beverly Trayner
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Aug 30, 2006
1:39 pm

Hi Andy, some really interesting thoughts. ... It's funny because it's not something I would have expected, although I'm learning that it does. So I have a...
Beverly Trayner
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Aug 30, 2006
12:25 pm

... To clarify, I would expect that in an online group which is developing or has developed into a community, that some of the members will move towards...
Andy Roberts
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Aug 31, 2006
2:40 pm

... In addition I am conscious of the generational and social-historic fabric into which the story is woven. These contextual factors get a bit missed out when...
Beverly Trayner
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Aug 30, 2006
12:54 pm

Hi All This is related to the the fascinating discussion on ownership of forums, but introduces other complications, so I hope I can be forgiven for opening a...
Ken Masters
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Aug 30, 2006
2:24 pm

Ken, I have been thinking about your question and beyond academic organizational policies, I think there is another emergent answer - personal learning...
Nancy White
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Aug 31, 2006
10:54 pm

To follow on from Nancy's comment... I do think institutions do students a disservice to learning with their temporal treatment of course content and...
Bronwyn Stuckey
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Sep 1, 2006
12:40 am
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