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#105 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:00 pm
Subject: Alive
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Hi,

Yes, quite alive and well. Thank God. I have been subject to serious
life upgrades recently... :)

1- New Job in Toronto (50% pay increase)
2- Moved from a lousy 2 bedroom to a house in a nice neighbourhood
3- My wife is pregnant of a little boy

Quite busy...

I am now resuming my frequent visits here.

Happy New Year to Everyone

Cheers,

Antoine



--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Sanford Atkins
<decorative_orgonite@...> wrote:
>
> More appropriately , Antoine, are you still alive?
>
>
>  Antoine,
>
>  are you planning to make Red Lion still?
>
>  thanks
>
>  sonirohi
>

#104 From: Sanford Atkins <decorative_orgonite@...>
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:48 am
Subject: Re: Re: Red Lion Vendor
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More appropriately , Antoine, are you still alive?


Antoine,

are you planning to make Red Lion still?

thanks

sonirohi



#103 From: "sonirohi" <sonirohi@...>
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: Red Lion Vendor
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--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "von9999" <von9999@...> wrote:
>
> little confused, I went to myopera page but that's just the main
> page, how do we get to your page????
> Robert von
>
> --- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > Next spring will be my first time to do the Red Lion according to
> > NDC's current recipee. Join my.opera.com and add me as a friend and
> > visit my blog picture tab, you'll have access to pivture folders of
> > NDC's old website and current for the Red Lion.
> >
> > As for ormes, someone just joind with contacts in China: my wife is
> > Chinese. Please email me at my hotmail address: banquo_ws@
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Antoine
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Rick Hadley <rickiesmooth@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Antoine Dubuc, I have read back on the 13th an email I
> recieved
> > from you and the ormusia group that you were going to produce the
> red
> > lion. I was wondering if you by any chance started producing and
> > selling it yet or if you were planing to sell it to others like
> > myself. I have started the process of the golden water on the 11th
> of
> > this month hoping for the best. This is my first time trying to
> > produce the phillosophers stone. ( I hope I spelled it right ) . It
> > is now going through a tea colored stage now with some powder
> looking
> > form in the bottom of a quart jar. I want very much to learn to
> > produce this for my own use at least. But I would like to try the
> red
> > lion if you have it perfected and wanting to s e l l it. Please
> > inform me. I would truly appreciate it. And anything I might be
> able
> > to read about it and where it might be located. I read about it on
> a
> > website earlier before the ormusia was founded. When I first joined
> > the ormus group of Barries. I have bought and
> > >  took several different kinds of ormus ormes. from different
> > companies. With varied results. I am taking medications from my
> > doctor. So I am not sure if it has made it where It was not as
> > noticable as it could have been had I not been taking the
> > medications. But the more I learn the more I want to learn and to
> be
> > able to produce it for myself. If successful maybe for others. Any
> > websites about the any of it would be great and especially recipies
> > for the golden elixir or white powder gold. Been having some
> problems
> > with computer. So I hope this email gets to you. Thank You
> > >   Rick Hadley
> > >   309 East Main
> > >   Smithville, MO 64089
> > >   816-522-6701
> > >   PS How are your experiences with the Red lion. I read one email
> > from you saying that it was some of the best available or at least
> I
> > think it was from you. forgive me if I am mistaken.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.lifetechnology.org/teslashield_0008.htm
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s
> > user panel and lay it on us.
> > >
> >
>


Antoine,

   are you planning to make Red Lion still?


thanks

sonirohi

#102 From: "w_c_sally2000" <w_c_sally2000@...>
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:45 pm
Subject: Hi all, some excellent recipes (food only this time) :-)
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Hello O.R.M.E.s folks,

I am still sans connection (sans PC which will go online).
My near library is some miles distant, and gas is spendy!

I miss the exchange, but I thought – (since I finally found them) – I
would share some of my Favorite Recipes with you for the holidays (With
apologies to the vegans for leading with foul.).

http://www.geocities.com/w_c_sally2000/Observations/Recipies--6.html

Best wishes for the holiday season.
Sally

#101 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:00 pm
Subject: Busy month.
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Sorry for the lack of posting on my part.

Antoine

#100 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 1:47 pm
Subject: Browsing my.opera.com/yoursite
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Hi,

I added a photo explaining navigation.

http://tinyurl.com/246drd

in the photo sections (on your left)

Best regards,

Antoine Dubuc

#99 From: "von9999" <von9999@...>
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: Red Lion Vendor
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little confused, I went to myopera page but that's just the main
page, how do we get to your page????
Robert von

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Next spring will be my first time to do the Red Lion according to
> NDC's current recipee. Join my.opera.com and add me as a friend and
> visit my blog picture tab, you'll have access to pivture folders of
> NDC's old website and current for the Red Lion.
>
> As for ormes, someone just joind with contacts in China: my wife is
> Chinese. Please email me at my hotmail address: banquo_ws@...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Antoine
>
>
>
> --- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Rick Hadley <rickiesmooth@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Antoine Dubuc, I have read back on the 13th an email I
recieved
> from you and the ormusia group that you were going to produce the
red
> lion. I was wondering if you by any chance started producing and
> selling it yet or if you were planing to sell it to others like
> myself. I have started the process of the golden water on the 11th
of
> this month hoping for the best. This is my first time trying to
> produce the phillosophers stone. ( I hope I spelled it right ) . It
> is now going through a tea colored stage now with some powder
looking
> form in the bottom of a quart jar. I want very much to learn to
> produce this for my own use at least. But I would like to try the
red
> lion if you have it perfected and wanting to s e l l it. Please
> inform me. I would truly appreciate it. And anything I might be
able
> to read about it and where it might be located. I read about it on
a
> website earlier before the ormusia was founded. When I first joined
> the ormus group of Barries. I have bought and
> >  took several different kinds of ormus ormes. from different
> companies. With varied results. I am taking medications from my
> doctor. So I am not sure if it has made it where It was not as
> noticable as it could have been had I not been taking the
> medications. But the more I learn the more I want to learn and to
be
> able to produce it for myself. If successful maybe for others. Any
> websites about the any of it would be great and especially recipies
> for the golden elixir or white powder gold. Been having some
problems
> with computer. So I hope this email gets to you. Thank You
> >   Rick Hadley
> >   309 East Main
> >   Smithville, MO 64089
> >   816-522-6701
> >   PS How are your experiences with the Red lion. I read one email
> from you saying that it was some of the best available or at least
I
> think it was from you. forgive me if I am mistaken.
> >
> >
> > http://www.lifetechnology.org/teslashield_0008.htm
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s
> user panel and lay it on us.
> >
>

#98 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 12:50 am
Subject: Re: Red Lion Vendor
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Hi Rick,

Next spring will be my first time to do the Red Lion according to
NDC's current recipee. Join my.opera.com and add me as a friend and
visit my blog picture tab, you'll have access to pivture folders of
NDC's old website and current for the Red Lion.

As for ormes, someone just joind with contacts in China: my wife is
Chinese. Please email me at my hotmail address: banquo_ws@...

Best regards,

Antoine



--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Rick Hadley <rickiesmooth@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Antoine Dubuc, I have read back on the 13th an email I recieved
from you and the ormusia group that you were going to produce the red
lion. I was wondering if you by any chance started producing and
selling it yet or if you were planing to sell it to others like
myself. I have started the process of the golden water on the 11th of
this month hoping for the best. This is my first time trying to
produce the phillosophers stone. ( I hope I spelled it right ) . It
is now going through a tea colored stage now with some powder looking
form in the bottom of a quart jar. I want very much to learn to
produce this for my own use at least. But I would like to try the red
lion if you have it perfected and wanting to s e l l it. Please
inform me. I would truly appreciate it. And anything I might be able
to read about it and where it might be located. I read about it on a
website earlier before the ormusia was founded. When I first joined
the ormus group of Barries. I have bought and
>  took several different kinds of ormus ormes. from different
companies. With varied results. I am taking medications from my
doctor. So I am not sure if it has made it where It was not as
noticable as it could have been had I not been taking the
medications. But the more I learn the more I want to learn and to be
able to produce it for myself. If successful maybe for others. Any
websites about the any of it would be great and especially recipies
for the golden elixir or white powder gold. Been having some problems
with computer. So I hope this email gets to you. Thank You
>   Rick Hadley
>   309 East Main
>   Smithville, MO 64089
>   816-522-6701
>   PS How are your experiences with the Red lion. I read one email
from you saying that it was some of the best available or at least I
think it was from you. forgive me if I am mistaken.
>
>
> http://www.lifetechnology.org/teslashield_0008.htm
>
> ---------------------------------
> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s
user panel and lay it on us.
>

#97 From: Rick Hadley <rickiesmooth@...>
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 12:37 am
Subject: Re: Red Lion Vendor
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Hi Antoine Dubuc, I have read back on the 13th an email I recieved from you and the ormusia group that you were going to produce the red lion. I was wondering if you by any chance started producing and selling it yet or if you were planing to sell it to others like myself. I have started the process of the golden water on the 11th of this month hoping for the best. This is my first time trying to produce the phillosophers stone. ( I hope I spelled it right ) . It is now going through a tea colored stage now with some powder looking form in the bottom of a quart jar. I want very much to learn to produce this for my own use at least. But I would like to try the red lion if you have it perfected and wanting to s e l l it. Please inform me. I would truly appreciate it. And anything I might be able to read about it and where it might be located. I read about it on a website earlier before the ormusia was founded. When I first joined the ormus group of Barries. I have bought and took several different kinds of ormus ormes. from different companies. With varied results. I am taking medications from my doctor. So I am not sure if it has made it where It was not as noticable as it could have been had I not been taking the medications. But the more I learn the more I want to learn and to be able to produce it for myself. If successful maybe for others. Any websites about the any of it would be great and especially recipies for the golden elixir or white powder gold. Been having some problems with computer. So I hope this email gets to you. Thank You
Rick Hadley
309 East Main
Smithville, MO 64089
816-522-6701
PS How are your experiences with the Red lion. I read one email from you saying that it was some of the best available or at least I think it was from you. forgive me if I am mistaken.


http://www.lifetechnology.org/teslashield_0008.htm


Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.

#96 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:38 pm
Subject: NDC Websites
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Hi everyone,

I decided to post on my website/Opera Blog a photo backup of NDC's
websites for 2006 and 2007. His recipees are rather unique and very
potent and should be preserved.

Since he hates my guts personally as I stood up for someone he was
abusing in the alkahest forum, I won't ask his permission to post
these backups. I already tried many times to apologize and he/she
just won't forgive.

Anyway, here they are for your convenience, and without that annoying
music ;)

Best regards,

Antoine

http://my.opera.com/AlchemicalSecrets/albums/

#95 From: Chris Case <chris@...>
Date: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: David Hudson Video
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Antoine Dubuc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to welcome Chris here, who provided me the link for the
> audio of the video (same thing in fact) on my blog.
>
> Though my video is no longer available, click on the link.It can be
> even more convenient since it runs in the media player and not in a
> web page :)
>
>
How about putting a link to your blog in the footer for messages from
this group?

#94 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:01 am
Subject: Re: David Hudson Video
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Hi,

I'd like to welcome Chris here, who provided me the link for the
audio of the video (same thing in fact) on my blog.

Though my video is no longer available, click on the link.It can be
even more convenient since it runs in the media player and not in a
web page :)

Best regards,

Antoine



--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "A BioPhysics
Ministries" <ABMinistries@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Antoine,
>
> That website stopped it too.
> Maybe you can load it to your own website?
> Or forward the file to the ones who want to see it (count me in
too).
> Thanks....
>
> Warm regards,
> Dana Dudley,
>

#93 From: "A BioPhysics Ministries" <ABMinistries@...>
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: David Hudson Video
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Hi Antoine,

That website stopped it too.
Maybe you can load it to your own website? 
Or forward the file to the ones who want to see it (count me in too).
Thanks....

Warm regards,
Dana Dudley,

#92 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: David Hudson Video
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Google stopped the video.

You may download it by right-clicking on this link...

http://files.myopera.com/AlchemicalSecrets/files/HudsonRanch1996-2.wmv


Best regards,

Antoine Dubuc



--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com,
"phillip_d_davis" <phillip_d_davis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Antoine,
> Please check the link, its blank..?
> Thanks mate,
> phil
>
> --- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I uploaded to Google Video a collage of the David Hudson at the
> Ranch
> > 1996 vintage...
> >
> > here's the link :)
> >
> > http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2222091977267867962
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > Antoine
> >
>

#91 From: "phillip_d_davis" <phillip_d_davis@...>
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:28 am
Subject: Re: David Hudson Video
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Hi Antoine,
Please check the link, its blank..?
Thanks mate,
phil

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I uploaded to Google Video a collage of the David Hudson at the
Ranch
> 1996 vintage...
>
> here's the link :)
>
> http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2222091977267867962
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Antoine
>

#90 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:25 pm
Subject: Red Lion Vendor
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Hi all,

Just to let you know, I am considering becoming a vendor of the Red
Lion ala NDC 2006 or 2007, as I have found a place to make it in peace.

Best regards,

Antoine

#89 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:03 am
Subject: David Hudson Video
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Hi,

I uploaded to Google Video a collage of the David Hudson at the Ranch
1996 vintage...

here's the link :)

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2222091977267867962

Enjoy,

Antoine

#88 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: I think I am going to be back online, at least tentatively.
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Hi Sally,

Glad you're back. Hope your moving went well :)

Antoine

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "w_c_sally2000" <w_c_sally2000@...>
wrote:
>
> That was a long time to be gone!  We are finally moved, and I have a
> new monitor and pc sound again.
>
> Hope it has been a good time while I was away.
>
> Aum,
> Sally
>

#87 From: "w_c_sally2000" <w_c_sally2000@...>
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 3:29 am
Subject: I think I am going to be back online, at least tentatively.
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That was a long time to be gone!  We are finally moved, and I have a
new monitor and pc sound again.

Hope it has been a good time while I was away.

Aum,
Sally

#86 From: "kierenhyland" <kierenhyland@...>
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 2:47 am
Subject: Re: If you read this reply.
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Yup, I was just away for a week
Kieren


--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody out there?
>

#85 From: Sanford Atkins <decorative_orgonite@...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:54 am
Subject: Antoine was correct
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Regarding the FDA. They have forced ebay to take down my listings for Hulda Clark Zappers. If your not familiar, do a google search on clark zapper. This worries me and leads me to think Antoine has the right idea about establishing ormus and ormes somehow before the FDA gives us all the axe. Ebay has informed me that they are enforcing tight regulations and implementing new rules. Nazi Bastards. Sorry, frustrated.

Best,
Duane

Antoine Dubuc <ormusia@...> wrote:
Is there anybody out there?



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#84 From: Gibson Elliot <gibsonelliot@...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: If you read this reply.
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Antoine

Yep, I'm here... By the way, I looked at some drywall
under the microscope, and it appears that te large
structures in John Hudsons WPG are not found in
Gypsum. So it does not in fact look like drywall. I'll
post some more photos of samples as I continue.

Gibson

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> Is there anybody out there?
>
>




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#83 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: If you read this reply.
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Hi there,

Can you tell us more about Orgone?

Thanks,

Antoine



--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Sanford Atkins
<decorative_orgonite@...> wrote:
>
> I'm here, working the orgone business.
>
> ctamoth2k3 <ctamoth2k3@...> wrote:
Yes, working my a** off, extracting PMs from Mud. Whats up with
you?:)
>  All the Best,
>  John
>
>  --- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@> wrote:
>  >
>  > Is there anybody out there?
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Got a little couch potato?
> Check out fun summer activities for kids.
>

#82 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: If you read this reply.
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Hi John!


Hey that's cool. Care to tell a curious guy -and crowd- more about
this? :)

Best regards,

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets


--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "ctamoth2k3" <ctamoth2k3@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, working my a** off, extracting PMs from Mud. Whats up with
you?:)
> All the Best,
> John
>
> --- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there anybody out there?
> >
>

#81 From: Sanford Atkins <decorative_orgonite@...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 6:18 am
Subject: Re: Re: If you read this reply.
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I'm here, working the orgone business.

ctamoth2k3 <ctamoth2k3@...> wrote:
Yes, working my a** off, extracting PMs from Mud. Whats up with you?:)
All the Best,
John

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody out there?
>



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#80 From: "ctamoth2k3" <ctamoth2k3@...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 4:23 am
Subject: Re: If you read this reply.
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Yes, working my a** off, extracting PMs from Mud. Whats up with you?:)
All the Best,
John

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anybody out there?
>

#79 From: "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...>
Date: Tue Sep 4, 2007 11:50 pm
Subject: If you read this reply.
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#78 From: "Rafael" <diatomic26@...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: Dear, Antoine
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Thank you very much

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Sanford Atkins
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>
> Hi Rafael,
>
> You are looking for NDC. Contact him here :
>
> http://www.philosophicalmercury.page.tl/Contact.htm
>
> Best,
> Duane
>
> Rafael <diatomic26@...> wrote:                               In
the document for extracting white powder from your golden water, is
>  it required to clean the oil once removed or can one let the oil
dry
>  as is, is the cleaning of the oil in repeated washes to appease
more
>  to the senses or is there a deeper reason?  I ask you if the
>  temperature to burn at with the oil in a sealed flask to produce
a red
>  powder  should be left for HOW LONG; because i did not find an
email
>  to the author so I hope you know?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#77 From: Sanford Atkins <decorative_orgonite@...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:29 am
Subject: Hudson Lectures DVD
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If anyone is interested, I stumbled across this on ebay.

Best,
Duane


http://cgi.ebay.com/White-Powder-of-Gold-David-Hudson-3-DVD_W0QQitemZ130144379089QQihZ003QQcategoryZ19270QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem



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#76 From: Sanford Atkins <decorative_orgonite@...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:25 am
Subject: Re: Dear, Antoine
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Hi Rafael,

You are looking for NDC. Contact him here :

http://www.philosophicalmercury.page.tl/Contact.htm

Best,
Duane

Rafael <diatomic26@...> wrote:
In the document for extracting white powder from your golden water, is
it required to clean the oil once removed or can one let the oil dry
as is, is the cleaning of the oil in repeated washes to appease more
to the senses or is there a deeper reason? I ask you if the
temperature to burn at with the oil in a sealed flask to produce a red
powder should be left for HOW LONG; because i did not find an email
to the author so I hope you know?



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