Hello everyone,

First I'd like to welcome and thank again everyone. I have put
subscription on moderation since its the only way not to have too
many posters whose interest revolves around viagra... ;)

Nobody here is moderated.

I am thinking that we could start by mapping the hardware first. I
was re-reading the patent, posted here in the file section, as
example 4, and if I am correct the process to sample substance for
ormes/ormus content is as follows:

1- Separate all PGM ormes from each other s shown in figure 3, where
the setup is for ormes separation from ore, or in our case, the ore
is the vendor's product.

2- Purify each PFM values back into pure metal.

That's the big simplification, but essentially, this allows us to
know how much pgm metal is in the product.

If need to know how much ormes is in the product, we would have to
first remove the metals and then process it as above?

Another question :)

This setup implies:

- Chemicals
--- ammonium bifluoride, NH4HF2
--- Distilled water
--- HF (hydrofluoric acid)
--- perchloric acid
--- NaNO3 (sodium nitrate)
--- Na2CO3(sodium carbonate)
--- NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate)
--- 30% H2O2
--- HCl (hydrochloric acid)
--- SO2 (sulfur dioxide)
--- N2 (nitrogen)
--- 1% w/v NH4Cl solution
--- 1% w/v (NH4)2SO4
--- 10% w/v NaBrO3 (sodium bromate)
--- saturated NaCHO3 solution
--- medium porosity fritted glass filter
--- H2S (hydrogen sulfide)
--- 1% w/v dimethylglyoxime
--- A solution of 20% TiCl3 (titanous chloride)
--- HNO3
--- chloroform
--- aqua regia
--- 10% NaBrO3
--- 20% v/v H2SO4 solution

Hardware
--- platinum dish
--- zirconium crucible
--- propane torch
--- Burners
--- Crushers
--- "X" shaped Teflon coated stirring bar
--- 1000 ml Teflon beaker
--- distillation apparatus
--- calibrated pH meter
--- tared porcelain filter crucible
--- Walters crucible holder
--- 0.45 micron pad filters
--- tube furnace (hydrogen reduction)
--- #42 Whatman ashless filter paper
--- tared quartz boat
--- dried gently in an oven at 110C
--- Purge the tube with argon, then hydrogen
--- a controlled atmosphere bifilar-wound
heating element Thermo Gravimetric Analysis (TGA) instrument (Perkin-
Elmer Thermal Analysis (PE/TGS-
2),
--- Temperature Programmer (PE/System 4),
--- Thermal Data Station (PE/TADS). And Graphics Plotter
(PE/THERM PLTTR)

I'd like to know, what are we missing here? I know this is not your
average shopping list, and black cars would probably follow you for a
while if you went shopping for such a list, but this is, after all,
the basic list of items described in the patent needed to reproduce
the patent.

What else to we need as Chemistry gear?


Best regards,

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

I would like to raise a point and possibly give some food for thought.
My intent is to say that though David Hudson may have re-discovered
ORMEs, his approach has been in typical pure scinetific approach
and that I am not so sure we should be seeking to follow exactly in
his footsteps. ( What, he's opposed to the purely scientific way? )
Not exactly, I have some information that suggests D. R. Hudsons G-
and S-ORMEs should not be consumed. I think many of us have read the
descriptions of the first ORME takers reactions. Not good. In fact it
could be disasterous for the whole ORMUS society.

Not that a source of pure analytical grade G- or S-ORME wouldn't be
desireable, but that it could also be hazardous. i.e. they shouldn't
necessarily be consumed without extreme caution.

In the alternative, I think we should be looking at creating a lab
that would help all of us put what there is under some real scrutiny
so that testing is in fact possible. So one day we might be able to
cope with the advances of the FDA. If sufficient money begins to
change hands, someone will point the FDA at all Ormus manufacturers.
If that happens, easy Ormus will be a thing of the past.

I am sure the ZPTech people would agree with me that any "suppliment"
should be balanced. Not just pure Gold ORME or any other ORME. I'm
sure the Centrum people could make a great arguement for this case.
Ormus should most likely be take in the correct proportions,
balenced. For scientific study, hey 99.999% purities would be great.
But I won't, any sooner, start drinking Everclear.

All in all, I think this is a great project, but I would like to see
the group start as an analytical group supporting the manufacturers
and home brewers. Who knows, one of these guys may hit on something
that no-one else has. Getting that kind of info would be priceless.

Just my two cents, OK, maybe 3.

G

Hi there,

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "gibsonelliot" <gibsonelliot@...>
wrote:
[...]
>I have some information that suggests D. R. Hudsons G- and S-ORMEs
>should not be consumed.

Can you share that information here or in private?


> All in all, I think this is a great project, but I would like to
>see the group start as an analytical group supporting the
>manufacturers  and home brewers.

I agree with this. It would be easier that way. It is important to
note though that the capability to produces pure/ormus from metal, or
ores, or from the refining of vendor's products would also come
anyway with the lab setup needed to quantify ormes/ormus content.

Barry, what do you think of example 4 of the patent concerning the
extraction of metal from ormes containing ore as a way to sample the
PGM content of a vendor's product?

Best regards,

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Dear Antoine,

At 05:12 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
>Barry, what do you think of example 4 of the patent concerning the
>extraction of metal from ormes containing ore as a way to sample the
>PGM content of a vendor's product?

In his lectures Hudson said that the process for conversion to metal
was not accurately described in his patent and that this process took
9 months or more.
--

With kindest regards,

Barry Carter
<bcarter@...>
2319 Balm
Baker City, Oregon 97814
Phone: 541-523-3357
Web Pages:
Forest - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/bmnfa/index.htm
ORMUS - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/index.htm

"What you think upon grows. Whatever you allow to occupy your mind
you magnify in your life. Whether the subject of your thought be good
or bad, the law works and the condition grows. Any subject that you
keep out of your mind tends to diminish in your life, because what
you do not use atrophies. The more you think of grievances, the more
such trials you will continue to receive; the more you think of the
good fortune you have had, the more good fortune will come to you."
--Emmet Fox


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Dear Barry,


Sometimes I swear, I believe you are messing with our heads! lol :)

Please read the excerpt from Hudson's patent below, or just go to
page 23 of the patent in pdf in the file section. It does not look
like anything over a week.

I also kinda doubt Hudson since we know some people who just let it
in the sun for a month, or microwave the stuff.. etc.

Can you reference in actuality anybody who tried example four, as
stated here, and found that it really took nine months?


Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

ps: you can also browse pictures of the patent here: http://
my.opera.com/AlchemicalSecrets/albums/show.dml?id=257738



--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Barry Carter <bcarter@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Antoine,
>
> At 05:12 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
> >Barry, what do you think of example 4 of the patent concerning the
> >extraction of metal from ormes containing ore as a way to sample
the
> >PGM content of a vendor's product?
>
> In his lectures Hudson said that the process for conversion to
metal
> was not accurately described in his patent and that this process
took
> 9 months or more.
> --
>
> With kindest regards,
>
> Barry Carter
> <bcarter@...>
> 2319 Balm
> Baker City, Oregon 97814
> Phone: 541-523-3357
> Web Pages:
> Forest - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/bmnfa/index.htm
> ORMUS - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/index.htm
>
> "What you think upon grows. Whatever you allow to occupy your mind
> you magnify in your life. Whether the subject of your thought be
good
> or bad, the law works and the condition grows. Any subject that
you
> keep out of your mind tends to diminish in your life, because what
> you do not use atrophies. The more you think of grievances, the
more
> such trials you will continue to receive; the more you think of
the
> good fortune you have had, the more good fortune will come to you."
> --Emmet Fox
>
>
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1/2007
>

Dear Antoine,

At 06:03 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:

>Dear Barry,
>Sometimes I swear, I believe you are messing with our heads! lol :)
>
>Please read the excerpt from Hudson's patent below, or just go to
>page 23 of the patent in pdf in the file section. It does not look
>like anything over a week.

In several of his lectures Hudson said that he deliberately included
misdirection and left out details in his patent so that people would
not be able to use it to replicate all of his processes. I don't have
time to listen to a dozen of his lectures to give you an exact quote on this.

>I also kinda doubt Hudson since we know some people who just let it
>in the sun for a month, or microwave the stuff.. etc.

Don Nance did this and assayed the material in the process of
conversion every few months. He described his results at the start
and after six months at:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/dsassays.htm

>Can you reference in actuality anybody who tried example four, as
>stated here, and found that it really took nine months?

Hudson says that he did. Here is one quote on this from David
Hudson's Portland, Oregon Workshop:


5:48:30 (0:03:44) -

"I haven't specifically told you this but the way you make it into
metals it must sit for nine months. I don't want to explain that to
the metallurgists here and get them involved in this. After you
separate high purity elemental rhodium you have to go through some
chemistries that require nine months for dipole-dipole resonance to
be transferred into the nucleus so that the internal temperature can
get up to the crystallization energy. So that you can pyrolize the
organics and get it down to the metallic state."


--

With kindest regards,

Barry Carter
<bcarter@...>
2319 Balm
Baker City, Oregon 97814
Phone: 541-523-3357
Web Pages:
Forest - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/bmnfa/index.htm
ORMUS - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/index.htm

"What you think upon grows. Whatever you allow to occupy your mind
you magnify in your life. Whether the subject of your thought be good
or bad, the law works and the condition grows. Any subject that you
keep out of your mind tends to diminish in your life, because what
you do not use atrophies. The more you think of grievances, the more
such trials you will continue to receive; the more you think of the
good fortune you have had, the more good fortune will come to you."
--Emmet Fox


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(sorry if you get this twice, it didn't seem to send out my initial
reply attempt)

I agree too - it's simply amazing, I see it almost as a psychic
drawing of minds towards you because you are simply emanating, well,
positivity, real love, or what have you, to some varying degree (your
personal outlook no doubt influences this a lot in terms of
intention).  I just have never witnessed so many random strangers
positively reacting to me in my entire life.

Joy is not the only thing ORMUS amplifies.  I have undertaken a great
deal of writing since I began ORMUS and it has really helped me to
develop my thoughts on life.  Some writing that relates to philosophy
and this society of the West in general can be found on my profile here:

http://www.darkstarlings.com/display_profile.php?name=Field

I invite anyone to read it - I apologize for the swearing, I tend to
express very passionately and it can sometimes come out intensely.
But as you'll see if you read it was a very good reason.

Ormus can help us save us all from ourselves, in my opinion.  It can
amplify our intentions and allow us to escape this box we have been
crammed into all our lives to believe that so much is "impossible".  I
simply can't and won't accept that line of thinking.

Cheers to all who read,
Good health & good fortune to all regardless,
Take care
--Daniel

p.s. I will flat out admit I am pleasantly surprised at all the
amazing people who have replied to me since I put this writing down on
the Internet. This world really isn't as bad as we sometimes think
---there are great things to counterbalance the bad.

*********************************************************************
expand <expand@...> wrote:

     "I've also noticed it's like an attractor. It seems people
     now come up to me and begin conversations out of no where.
     At first it was women and now it's just about anyone."
     John Colanzi (Full text below)

     Hey John,
     This is SO TRUE!
     Recently I have been increasing my ormus amount.
     I have been also using John Hudson's powder, Danae's water and my own
     ocean ormus.

     2 weeks ago I had a multi millionaire business wheeler and dealer call
     me and ask to meet me.
     After a first meeting he said:
     "What have you done to me Denis, I can't stop thinking about you. Have
     you put a spell on me or something?" (I didn't ..)
     Then a woman came to visit the next day and offhandedly I
mentioned his
     new film studio and she tells me she wants to invest!
     It probably made me $30 grand .. the deal is consummated with cash in
     the next day or so.

     My reason for telling this is an unabashed ormus promotion! I
associate
     the timing of this and several other events with the unfolding of
ormus
     consumption at higher levels lately!

     Does anyone remember the sense that they got when they first heard
DAVID
     Hudson talk about the magic of his stuff?
     Does anyone remember the sense that they got when listening to ultra
     quick manifestation of 'realities' that were in the mind's of the
'"Over
     Ormused" individuals reported on Barry's website. I cant remember the
     url of those stories. Barry would know.. he MIGHT post them to the
list.
     On that subject, it is worth considering having 'centering'
meditative,
     sungazing or Chi Gung practices to learn command of your attention if
     you want to embark on increasing your manifestational abilities .. so
     you use them responsibly.
     No one will send

     ALSO.. at the airport the other day .. I hurriedly unloaded my pockets
     at the security checkpoint and when the stuff came out of the xray, I
     was pocketing it and the security woman came over with 2 x $50
notes and
     said that these must have blown out of my container.. I said
thanks and
     then she came back with ANOTHER $50 note and said "I found another
     one". I WAS BLOWN AWAY! I thanked her warmly and left.

     I THINK that money was in my possession beforehand probably in my
     wallet, loosely. Dunno!
     The Point Is, she could EASILY have just stuck the notes in HER
pocket!
     She looked SO pleased to be giving it to me. Her face was all lit up.
     This is happening quite a lot lately.

     I have noticed myself wandering around the supermarket 'blissed
out' and
     my social interactions are sweeter than usual, people just engage and
     chat until we are both aware that we have been chatting for 5 - 10
     minutes. At this stage, I think that Ormus is like a social
'lubricant'.
     Unprecedentedly, people around me are engaging and interacting in SO
     many ways.
     Like John, I also am a 55 year old 'non stud' and relatively unnoticed
     person.

     So after I read John's post I wrote to him and promised I would tell
     THIS STORY if HE would tell HIS STORY!
     As you said John, when he posted this:

     "That was a couple of days ago so I'll see what happens
     from here.
     Those are just the little things. There are other things
     but they'd sound spacier so I try not to get into them." John Colanzi

     I wrote:
     ~ Look, there are some on this list who might rain on your parade
John,
     but I would like to hear about your "Little things"..
     For to the observant eye, the 'little things' are not little at all.
     These are the Subtle Energies turning into NOT SO SUBTLE
manifestation!

     Btw, what kind of ormus are you using?
     I probably won't post this whole thing to the list.

     Do drop me a note if you feel inclined. ~
     So John wrote to me with his latest post so I include mine here too.

     Btw, if you want to start a discussion of these things,
     Ormusandmanifesting @yahoogroups. com is probably the place to do
it so we
     dont get our knuckles rapped by Barry!

     Cheers,
     Denis Cooney

     John Colanzi wrote:

     Denis,
     And I have been exchanging emails about our experiences with ormus.
     He asked if I'd share this email I sent to him with the list.

     Denis,

     I've just been taking magnetic water lately with
     Trace Minerals added before I magnetize.
     http://www.bodybuil ding.com/ store/trace/ drops.html
     <http://www.bodybuil ding.com/ store/trace/ drops.html>

     I've joined a Kundalinni list because some things
     happening are things their members are going through.

     I had an entity that used to go through my room. I
     figured it was my imagination until my mother said
     I hope you don't think I'm crazy but I just saw and
     then she described it.

     I told her I'd been seeing but it hadn't mentioned it so
     she wasn't crazy. Her description matched what I'd been
     seeing.

     I've had women come up to me out of the blue and
     start conversations and a couple even asked me about
     moving in with them.

     I didn't know them and it can't be just because of me,
     because jeez I'm 55 not some young stud.

     I'll think things and they just happen. It's not like
     trying to manifest, something might just pop into
     my head and then it happens.

     One night while meditating I had a pop in my head.
     It just sounded like a cork popping or something.
     Almost daily I get the hat band around my head. Where
     it feels like a pressure on my crown chakra, brow
     chakra and around the temples.

     Sometimes I get a voice while I'm meditating. Not
     a conversation just a one line sentence.

     I'll say things to my mother and she'll say how did
     you know I was just thinking that. It's so natural
     now she just takes it for granted.

     People come up to me and just smile. Little old ladies
     come up and ask me to get things off the shelves for them
     in stores.

     Sometimes if I take a little extra before going out,
     I'll just see everything as amusing and I might laugh
     for no reason and I'll have a group of other shoppers
     around me laughing.

     There's just so many things I can't keep track of them.
     I have to start writing them down.

     John

     >
     >

Hi everybody,

Please restrain your posts to anything and everything that revolves
around this forum's topic: mapping everything relating to the
creation of a ormes lab.

Thank you!

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Hi everybody,

Please restrain your posts to anything and everything that revolves
around this forum's topic: mapping everything relating to the
creation of a ormes lab.

Thank you!

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Hi all :)

   I have a question:
   How can we assay products for Ormes' content?

Best regards,

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Hi Sally!

I'd like to welcome you here. You are the one who got the ball going
here. :) I tried to put you as moderator, but I have yet to figure it
out...

Welcome here :)


Antoine Dubuc

Hi Sally!

I'd like to welcome you here. You are the one who got the ball going
here. :) I tried to put you as moderator, but I have yet to figure it
out...

Welcome here :)

Antoine Dubuc

Wow,
(I have been gone about 8 days or so, but):  Is this space dedicated
to facts and concepts for the Analysis Lab for all O.R.M.E.s?

I don't know about moderating, my mail has been dicey.  But maybe.

Aum,
Sally

> "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sally!
>
> I'd like to welcome you here. You are the one who got the ball going
> here. :) I tried to put you as moderator, but I have yet to figure it
> out...
>
> Welcome here :)
>
>
> Antoine Dubuc
>

Hi Sally!

I think you are right, that to be perceived as really on the level an
organisation that validates qualitatively and quantitatively ormes
content would need to refrain to selling a product in competition
with the product that they validate.

I have a friend of my wife at McGill university who may soon put John
Hudson's stuff under the electronic microscope. This will be
interesting... I'll post the pictures here. I have ten grams to work
with.

Please feel at home, and this applis to everyone :) and add content,
links, files, photos, etc, if you can contribute to this effort.
Mapping a startup is a lenghty process.

Just hope everybody can pitch in :)

Best regards,

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets


--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "w_c_sally2000" <w_c_sally2000@...>
wrote:
>
> Wow,
> (I have been gone about 8 days or so, but):  Is this space
dedicated
> to facts and concepts for the Analysis Lab for all O.R.M.E.s?
>
> I don't know about moderating, my mail has been dicey.  But maybe.
>
> Aum,
> Sally
>
> > "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sally!
> >
> > I'd like to welcome you here. You are the one who got the ball
going
> > here. :) I tried to put you as moderator, but I have yet to
figure it
> > out...
> >
> > Welcome here :)
> >
> >
> > Antoine Dubuc
> >
>

>
> Wow,
> (I have been gone about 8 days or so, but):  Is this space dedicated
> to facts and concepts for the Analysis Lab for all O.R.M.E.s?
>

Hi Sally,

To answer this, I have to admit that the best minds are found on
Daniel Moecks forums (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ormes)

The goal of this forum is to map the startup that would validate
ormes for vendors. What's involved with such a venture. All the
questions deriving from this goals have this forum to be answered,
hopefully...

Best regards,

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Hi,

I thought I'd ask what's your professional field. I'm a computer guy,
specifically, I work in database marketing as applied to postal
marketing for the largest printer in Canada.

Best regards,

Antoine

http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Hi,

I thought I'd ask what's your professional field. I'm a computer guy,
specifically, I work in database marketing as applied to postal
marketing for the largest printer in Canada.

Best regards,

Antoine

http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Hi Duane,

That's great. What's your web store address? Also, what are they for?

Best regards,

Antoine

http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Sanford Atkins
<decorative_orgonite@...> wrote:
>
> I sell orgone devices.
>
> Best,
> Duane
>
> Antoine Dubuc <ormusia@...> wrote:
Hi,
>
>  I thought I'd ask what's your professional field. I'm a computer
guy,
>  specifically, I work in database marketing as applied to postal
>  marketing for the largest printer in Canada.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Antoine
>
>  http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Duane,

That's great. What's your web store address? Also, what are they for?

Best regards,

Antoine

http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Sanford Atkins
<decorative_orgonite@...> wrote:
>
> I sell orgone devices.
>
> Best,
> Duane
>
> Antoine Dubuc <ormusia@...> wrote:
Hi,
>
> I thought I'd ask what's your professional field. I'm a computer
guy,
> specifically, I work in database marketing as applied to postal
> marketing for the largest printer in Canada.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Antoine
>
> http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets
>
>
>
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on my blog... :)

http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Hello,

I am going to kill off this group next monday for lack of interest. I
created this group so people could give ideas and create momentum to
the task of mapping out a business involve in quantifying ormus
content in samples.

I'm the moderator. I am not, unfortunately, much of a leader that can
inspire people and so forth. I see that no one really gives a hoot, I
guess, since no one is posting anything.

I'd be glad to be told otherwise, but hey, when people don't even
talk about a subject, how can one sincerely expect to actually have
actions taken for that subject?

The FDA has already won in my opinion. I am paid for my ability to be
pragmatic about things. I am neither pessimist nor optimist as I
write this. Its just a fact.

The current state of Ormus brings upon itself a great adversary in
the form of the FDA. The FDA is a focussed, organized entity. Ormusia
is not. The Ormus world in comparison is pretty much populated by a
bunch of hippies that swing subjects from ormus in crop circles to
xenon water bringing ormus through ZPE, with as much focus and
persistence as a chicken who got his head cut off.

The Ormusians of today go even further by putting their heads in the
sand when confronted with this by bringing up the righteous shield of
Manifestation. Give me a break.

The problem with Ormusia is not the Ormus: its the Ormusians.

I've been around for about two years. In that time, reading pretty
much all the posts from all the Ormus forums, I saw only one
consistent pattern: nothing gets done except talking. And even the
discussions are fruitless.

Ormes, or biblical ormus, is supposed to taste sweet. Have you ever
tasted an ormus product that tasted like this? Seekverta's products
taste like suntan lotion. Shouldn't that give you clue that something
is wrong here? Its no wonder that the FDA is stepping in. If you just
cut the crap away, its really no wonder.

Anyway, I am somewhat appalled here.

I was hoping that the people who would join this forum would do so to
get off their asses and start building something with consistency,
dedication and care. But instead no one posted anything. This forum
was intended for drivers, not passengers.

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am going to kill off this group next monday for lack of interest.

Wow.  Possibly people enjoy the few posts there are, but have nothing
they honestly wish to add.  Gee. what a shame.

  I
> created this group so people could give ideas and create momentum
to
> the task of mapping out a business involve in quantifying ormus
> content in samples.

I have been involved most of my adult life, but we never call it
ORMUS.  Simply ACE, and alternative cellular energy which is derived
by usage.

>
> I'm the moderator. I am not, unfortunately, much of a leader that
can
> inspire people and so forth. I see that no one really gives a hoot,
I
> guess, since no one is posting anything.
>
> I'd be glad to be told otherwise, but hey, when people don't even
> talk about a subject, how can one sincerely expect to actually have
> actions taken for that subject?
>

We have a fertilizer made of ACE that causes plants to grow
abundantly.  Few people utilize it, but the ones who do are impressed
and continue.

It is a slow process over time to change the views and opinions of
people, one which requires a tremendous amount of stick-to-it-
iveness.  Most people do not have the patience level required to hang
in there over the years, much less decades.  Our first receipt is
from 1963, prior to David Hudson and his group.  We still do
everything using the tried and true slow methods from our past, but
we don't give exclusives (recently I was asked to give a company in
Florida the global exclusive to brand it for their use --- too funny,
LOL - you can't take an exclusive on anything natural that is put
here for our use by the Creator, the mere idea is repulsive to me.)

> The FDA has already won in my opinion. I am paid for my ability to
be
> pragmatic about things. I am neither pessimist nor optimist as I
> write this. Its just a fact.
>

I respectfully reject that idea, but I am only one person here.  I
refuse to surrender to dishonest methods no matter who it is, even a
governmental body...I thankfully have met a number of people who work
with the FDA and find for the most part they are as concerned about
safety as we are, and want changes to occur in their own governmental
structure... despite your opinion, it is thankfully not shared by
most people I have met in the past 5 or so years up in Bethesda.

> The current state of Ormus brings upon itself a great adversary in
> the form of the FDA. The FDA is a focussed, organized entity.
Ormusia
> is not. The Ormus world in comparison is pretty much populated by a
> bunch of hippies that swing subjects from ormus in crop circles to
> xenon water bringing ormus through ZPE, with as much focus and
> persistence as a chicken who got his head cut off.

I am not a hippie or any other such thing, and never was.  I do
however know that food should not contain dangerous things for the
body, and nether should anything else we use on our bodies.
>
> The Ormusians of today go even further by putting their heads in
the
> sand when confronted with this by bringing up the righteous shield
of
> Manifestation. Give me a break.
>
> The problem with Ormusia is not the Ormus: its the Ormusians.
>
> I've been around for about two years. In that time, reading pretty
> much all the posts from all the Ormus forums, I saw only one
> consistent pattern: nothing gets done except talking. And even the
> discussions are fruitless.

Possible we are busy doing rather than talking?  A thought...I speak
solely for myself here.
>
> Ormes, or biblical ormus, is supposed to taste sweet. Have you ever
> tasted an ormus product that tasted like this? Seekverta's products
> taste like suntan lotion. Shouldn't that give you clue that
something
> is wrong here? Its no wonder that the FDA is stepping in. If you
just
> cut the crap away, its really no wonder.

The taste that is left behind is always sweet.  Ours is bitter to
begin, but is like a honey when it is precipitated originally.
>
> Anyway, I am somewhat appalled here.
>
> I was hoping that the people who would join this forum would do so
to
> get off their asses and start building something with consistency,
> dedication and care. But instead no one posted anything. This forum
> was intended for drivers, not passengers.
>

I guess you have made up your mind.  I heard a saying once, that "a
man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still".  I
wish you success in whatever you do next.  I have been involved now
for decades, some people come and go...blessings either way.

Dana Dudley

> Antoine Dubuc
> http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets
>

I just got on the forum. I'm with ya Ant! Let me know what you need
from me. I am already working on various promotional stuff. Where
would we locate this business distribution center? We can setup an e-
commerce store to take orders world wide. We can start by giving
samples of ORMUS to various group/organizations then have them come
back and order from us on a menu type standard rate price table. Let
me know what you think. I am in San Diego, where are you?

-Cryptic

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am going to kill off this group next monday for lack of interest.
I
> created this group so people could give ideas and create momentum
to
> the task of mapping out a business involve in quantifying ormus
> content in samples.
>
> I'm the moderator. I am not, unfortunately, much of a leader that
can
> inspire people and so forth. I see that no one really gives a hoot,
I
> guess, since no one is posting anything.
>
> I'd be glad to be told otherwise, but hey, when people don't even
> talk about a subject, how can one sincerely expect to actually have
> actions taken for that subject?
>
> The FDA has already won in my opinion. I am paid for my ability to
be
> pragmatic about things. I am neither pessimist nor optimist as I
> write this. Its just a fact.
>
> The current state of Ormus brings upon itself a great adversary in
> the form of the FDA. The FDA is a focussed, organized entity.
Ormusia
> is not. The Ormus world in comparison is pretty much populated by a
> bunch of hippies that swing subjects from ormus in crop circles to
> xenon water bringing ormus through ZPE, with as much focus and
> persistence as a chicken who got his head cut off.
>
> The Ormusians of today go even further by putting their heads in
the
> sand when confronted with this by bringing up the righteous shield
of
> Manifestation. Give me a break.
>
> The problem with Ormusia is not the Ormus: its the Ormusians.
>
> I've been around for about two years. In that time, reading pretty
> much all the posts from all the Ormus forums, I saw only one
> consistent pattern: nothing gets done except talking. And even the
> discussions are fruitless.
>
> Ormes, or biblical ormus, is supposed to taste sweet. Have you ever
> tasted an ormus product that tasted like this? Seekverta's products
> taste like suntan lotion. Shouldn't that give you clue that
something
> is wrong here? Its no wonder that the FDA is stepping in. If you
just
> cut the crap away, its really no wonder.
>
> Anyway, I am somewhat appalled here.
>
> I was hoping that the people who would join this forum would do so
to
> get off their asses and start building something with consistency,
> dedication and care. But instead no one posted anything. This forum
> was intended for drivers, not passengers.
>
> Antoine Dubuc
> http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets
>

I just went to your opera site, it is cool! I'm wondering about
specific tasks and deligations that need to be done and who would be
assigned to them. Now, if the business does produce profit, who would
get what percentage and why? We need to start closing the circle a
little bit and start offering each other interests in the company
depending on our envolvment and comitment. From there, we need legal
documents to provide and prove to each other our negotiations and
rules for future situations. That, I think, will make this more real
for everyone and plant the seed of motivation/inspiration.

Cryptic

  --- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, "ormusia" <ormusia@...> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> And thank you, sincerely, for joining this group. Rules are simple,
> and can be summarized in the best Austin Powers way, and I quote:
>
> Oh Behave! :)
>
> That's about it. I'd really like it if we can stick to the topic,
> namely, mapping this sucker out. What are the points that needs to
be
> addressed in creating an organisation whose purpose is essentially
> providing ormes assays as a service, and providing pure ormes as a
> product to various industries?
>
> It will, no doubt, be a long and tedious process. But with
patience,
> dedication, passion and collaboration we can map it out and know if
> we can manifest this organisation as a reality.
>
> Remember, even if all fails, we'll have had fun and gained much
> knowledge!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Antoine Dubuc,
>
> ze little moderator
> http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets
>

Dear Cactus,

Making real ormes from metal would be somewhat more expensive
Gold: 585$ an ounce
Rhodium: 6000$ an ounce
Etc.

Also, the initial idea was simply to see what is involve in creation
a proper sampling lab. Just that. Mapping this down.

Making real ormes is not an easy thing. And it would be way too
expensive for anyone or almost.

Antoine
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Gibson <golem146@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Group,
>
> I will join  I already have people in Canada, North America, South
Africa, and New Zealand so far who would be willing to sell two or
three ounces a month once they try our product. Currently I think we
should sell grams for 34.99 or 54.99, Ant & Mr. Daddy can we exchange
Skype voice chats now or phone numbers? We really need to talk, I am
talking about 20,000 a month in the first ORMUS dealers ever! Let me
know everyone!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Cactusrob
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Daddy Sanchez <cryptic619@...>
> To: ormusia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:26:01 AM
> Subject: [ormusia] Re: The FDA Won.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             I just got on the forum. I'm with ya Ant! Let me know
what you need
>
> from me. I am already working on various promotional stuff. Where
>
> would we locate this business distribution center? We can setup an
e-
>
> commerce store to take orders world wide. We can start by giving
>
> samples of ORMUS to various group/organizations then have them come
>
> back and order from us on a menu type standard rate price table.
Let
>
> me know what you think. I am in San Diego, where are you?
>
>
>
> -Cryptic
>
>
>
> --- In ormusia@yahoogroups .com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@ > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hello,
>
> >
>
> > I am going to kill off this group next monday for lack of
interest.
>
> I
>
> > created this group so people could give ideas and create momentum
>
> to
>
> > the task of mapping out a business involve in quantifying ormus
>
> > content in samples.
>
> >
>
> > I'm the moderator. I am not, unfortunately, much of a leader that
>
> can
>
> > inspire people and so forth. I see that no one really gives a
hoot,
>
> I
>
> > guess, since no one is posting anything.
>
> >
>
> > I'd be glad to be told otherwise, but hey, when people don't even
>
> > talk about a subject, how can one sincerely expect to actually
have
>
> > actions taken for that subject?
>
> >
>
> > The FDA has already won in my opinion. I am paid for my ability
to
>
> be
>
> > pragmatic about things. I am neither pessimist nor optimist as I
>
> > write this. Its just a fact.
>
> >
>
> > The current state of Ormus brings upon itself a great adversary
in
>
> > the form of the FDA. The FDA is a focussed, organized entity.
>
> Ormusia
>
> > is not. The Ormus world in comparison is pretty much populated by
a
>
> > bunch of hippies that swing subjects from ormus in crop circles
to
>
> > xenon water bringing ormus through ZPE, with as much focus and
>
> > persistence as a chicken who got his head cut off.
>
> >
>
> > The Ormusians of today go even further by putting their heads in
>
> the
>
> > sand when confronted with this by bringing up the righteous
shield
>
> of
>
> > Manifestation. Give me a break.
>
> >
>
> > The problem with Ormusia is not the Ormus: its the Ormusians.
>
> >
>
> > I've been around for about two years. In that time, reading
pretty
>
> > much all the posts from all the Ormus forums, I saw only one
>
> > consistent pattern: nothing gets done except talking. And even
the
>
> > discussions are fruitless.
>
> >
>
> > Ormes, or biblical ormus, is supposed to taste sweet. Have you
ever
>
> > tasted an ormus product that tasted like this? Seekverta's
products
>
> > taste like suntan lotion. Shouldn't that give you clue that
>
> something
>
> > is wrong here? Its no wonder that the FDA is stepping in. If you
>
> just
>
> > cut the crap away, its really no wonder.
>
> >
>
> > Anyway, I am somewhat appalled here.
>
> >
>
> > I was hoping that the people who would join this forum would do
so
>
> to
>
> > get off their asses and start building something with
consistency,
>
> > dedication and care. But instead no one posted anything. This
forum
>
> > was intended for drivers, not passengers.
>
> >
>
> > Antoine Dubuc
>
> > http://my.opera. com/alchemicalse crets
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi! :)

I just love major rudy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc1uog2nQrQ

Viewing this video is mandatory before reading any further.


In his good spirit... and voice...


This forum is not like those of Barry Carter.

Here there is only one topic and that is how to get off our
collective butts and start planning what's required to get an ormes
sampling lab up and running.

People who join here are expected to tell the forum what they do and
how they can help. If they don't then they are banned until they get
off their butts and start doing something to that effect.

I repeat, this forum is not to talk about the relationship between
ormus, tibetan bowls, flying saucers, and yadiyadiya. This bullshit
is well served in Barry's forum. This forum is for the folks that
live in the real world and have the will, the patience and grit to
see something accomplished in the real world.

ORMES are a physical substances that can detected. The goal here is
to establish what's involved in creating a business that detects them
for a fee, and that can manufacture real pure PGM based ormes. And
that's it. Real Ormus would cost around 500$ a gram. So don't worry
about the current vendors throwing another mayhem: they are not
selling pure ormes and the pricetag for that will keep their
customers well away from us.

Now, if you just want to idle chat about Tibetan Bowls, Trap Water,
Flying Saucers, etc, shut the $%^& up, like Chris Rock says so
nicely...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zXlytv01c


I think you all get the point by now. There's a photo album where you
can post your picture. There's a link section where you can document
important links. There a database to post your IM connection. Get up
and start posting your ideas.

We need to build a map, a road, a car and then put some gas in it. I
can't do all that by myself. I'm married with kids and I can't spend
all my time doing this. You are probably in the same situation.

But we can, given a focus, a clear goal, over time, get there.

The help that you can provide is not financial, unless you have a few
millions you want to invest... What you can do is tell the forum what
you do for a living and what is your educational background and what
resources you have access to, and post that to the database in this
forum. That way, people can look in that database to find the
resource that is needed to solve one issue in particular.

My real name is Antoine Dubuc, and I am an Analyst, Business
Marketing Solution, for the largest printer in Canada. I am also a
programmer by education.

I've been involved in Ormus for about two years now and I realized
that the other forums (with the exception of Daniel Moeck's forum:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ormes) are not going anywhere.

If I want to have Ormus get out of the Middle Ages, I'll have to
drive it out of there myself. But to do that, I'll need your help.


Antoine

http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets

Hi Cactus, everyone,

Go to the chat room this evening... around 9 o'clock, eatern standard
time: Montreal time anyway...

http://files.myopera.com/AlchemicalSecrets/files/spinchat.html


Best regards

Antoine Dubuc
http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets


--- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Gibson <golem146@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Antoine,
>
> Is it possible you get Skype voice chat or Paltalk so we can create
a voice conference room, I have so many questions! Or I can just call
your phone for free because I have skype!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Cactus
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Antoine Dubuc <ormusia@...>
> To: ormusia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:01:24 AM
> Subject: [ormusia] Re: The FDA Won.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Dear Cactus,
>
>
>
> Making real ormes from metal would be somewhat more expensive
>
> Gold: 585$ an ounce
>
> Rhodium: 6000$ an ounce
>
> Etc.
>
>
>
> Also, the initial idea was simply to see what is involve in
creation
>
> a proper sampling lab. Just that. Mapping this down.
>
>
>
> Making real ormes is not an easy thing. And it would be way too
>
> expensive for anyone or almost.
>
>
>
> Antoine
>
> http://my.opera. com/alchemicalse crets
>
>
>
> --- In ormusia@yahoogroups .com, Cameron Gibson <golem146@ .> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Dear Group,
>
> >
>
> > I will join  I already have people in Canada, North America,
South
>
> Africa, and New Zealand so far who would be willing to sell two or
>
> three ounces a month once they try our product. Currently I think
we
>
> should sell grams for 34.99 or 54.99, Ant & Mr. Daddy can we
exchange
>
> Skype voice chats now or phone numbers? We really need to talk, I
am
>
> talking about 20,000 a month in the first ORMUS dealers ever! Let
me
>
> know everyone!
>
> >
>
> > Sincerely,
>
> >
>
> > Cactusrob
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message ----
>
> > From: Daddy Sanchez <cryptic619@ ...>
>
> > To: ormusia@yahoogroups .com
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:26:01 AM
>
> > Subject: [ormusia] Re: The FDA Won.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >             I just got on the forum. I'm with ya Ant! Let me know
>
> what you need
>
> >
>
> > from me. I am already working on various promotional stuff. Where
>
> >
>
> > would we locate this business distribution center? We can setup
an
>
> e-
>
> >
>
> > commerce store to take orders world wide. We can start by giving
>
> >
>
> > samples of ORMUS to various group/organizations then have them
come
>
> >
>
> > back and order from us on a menu type standard rate price table.
>
> Let
>
> >
>
> > me know what you think. I am in San Diego, where are you?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -Cryptic
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In ormusia@yahoogroups .com, "Antoine Dubuc" <ormusia@ >
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Hello,
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I am going to kill off this group next monday for lack of
>
> interest.
>
> >
>
> > I
>
> >
>
> > > created this group so people could give ideas and create
momentum
>
> >
>
> > to
>
> >
>
> > > the task of mapping out a business involve in quantifying ormus
>
> >
>
> > > content in samples.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I'm the moderator. I am not, unfortunately, much of a leader
that
>
> >
>
> > can
>
> >
>
> > > inspire people and so forth. I see that no one really gives a
>
> hoot,
>
> >
>
> > I
>
> >
>
> > > guess, since no one is posting anything.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I'd be glad to be told otherwise, but hey, when people don't
even
>
> >
>
> > > talk about a subject, how can one sincerely expect to actually
>
> have
>
> >
>
> > > actions taken for that subject?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > The FDA has already won in my opinion. I am paid for my ability
>
> to
>
> >
>
> > be
>
> >
>
> > > pragmatic about things. I am neither pessimist nor optimist as
I
>
> >
>
> > > write this. Its just a fact.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > The current state of Ormus brings upon itself a great adversary
>
> in
>
> >
>
> > > the form of the FDA. The FDA is a focussed, organized entity.
>
> >
>
> > Ormusia
>
> >
>
> > > is not. The Ormus world in comparison is pretty much populated
by
>
> a
>
> >
>
> > > bunch of hippies that swing subjects from ormus in crop circles
>
> to
>
> >
>
> > > xenon water bringing ormus through ZPE, with as much focus and
>
> >
>
> > > persistence as a chicken who got his head cut off.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > The Ormusians of today go even further by putting their heads
in
>
> >
>
> > the
>
> >
>
> > > sand when confronted with this by bringing up the righteous
>
> shield
>
> >
>
> > of
>
> >
>
> > > Manifestation. Give me a break.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > The problem with Ormusia is not the Ormus: its the Ormusians.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I've been around for about two years. In that time, reading
>
> pretty
>
> >
>
> > > much all the posts from all the Ormus forums, I saw only one
>
> >
>
> > > consistent pattern: nothing gets done except talking. And even
>
> the
>
> >
>
> > > discussions are fruitless.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Ormes, or biblical ormus, is supposed to taste sweet. Have you
>
> ever
>
> >
>
> > > tasted an ormus product that tasted like this? Seekverta's
>
> products
>
> >
>
> > > taste like suntan lotion. Shouldn't that give you clue that
>
> >
>
> > something
>
> >
>
> > > is wrong here? Its no wonder that the FDA is stepping in. If
you
>
> >
>
> > just
>
> >
>
> > > cut the crap away, its really no wonder.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Anyway, I am somewhat appalled here.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I was hoping that the people who would join this forum would do
>
> so
>
> >
>
> > to
>
> >
>
> > > get off their asses and start building something with
>
> consistency,
>
> >
>
> > > dedication and care. But instead no one posted anything. This
>
> forum
>
> >
>
> > > was intended for drivers, not passengers.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Antoine Dubuc
>
> >
>
> > > http://my.opera. com/alchemicalse crets
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As sad as it sounds, I'm in general agreement with
what you said. I would also agree that this group
needs a focused leader. And not a cultive type. I too
have all but stopped even reading the posts from most
ormus groups. I will participate if this keeps going
but I don't have much in the way of money to
contribute. If someone's got the cash I will gladly do
what I can.


Gibson

--- Antoine Dubuc <ormusia@...> wrote:

> Dear Cactus,
>
> Making real ormes from metal would be somewhat more
> expensive
> Gold: 585$ an ounce
> Rhodium: 6000$ an ounce
> Etc.
>
> Also, the initial idea was simply to see what is
> involve in creation
> a proper sampling lab. Just that. Mapping this down.
>
> Making real ormes is not an easy thing. And it would
> be way too
> expensive for anyone or almost.
>
> Antoine
> http://my.opera.com/alchemicalsecrets
>
> --- In ormusia@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Gibson
> <golem146@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > I will join  I already have people in Canada,
> North America, South
> Africa, and New Zealand so far who would be willing
> to sell two or
> three ounces a month once they try our product.
> Currently I think we
> should sell grams for 34.99 or 54.99, Ant & Mr.
> Daddy can we exchange
> Skype voice chats now or phone numbers? We really
> need to talk, I am
> talking about 20,000 a month in the first ORMUS
> dealers ever! Let me
> know everyone!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Cactusrob
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Daddy Sanchez <cryptic619@...>
> > To: ormusia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:26:01 AM
> > Subject: [ormusia] Re: The FDA Won.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >             I just got on the forum. I'm with ya
> Ant! Let me know
> what you need
> >
> > from me. I am already working on various
> promotional stuff. Where
> >
> > would we locate this business distribution center?
> We can setup an
> e-
> >
> > commerce store to take orders world wide. We can
> start by giving
> >
> > samples of ORMUS to various group/organizations
> then have them come
> >
> > back and order from us on a menu type standard
> rate price table.
> Let
> >
> > me know what you think. I am in San Diego, where
> are you?
> >
> >
> >
> > -Cryptic
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ormusia@yahoogroups .com, "Antoine Dubuc"
> <ormusia@ > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hello,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I am going to kill off this group next monday
> for lack of
> interest.
> >
> > I
> >
> > > created this group so people could give ideas
> and create momentum
> >
> > to
> >
> > > the task of mapping out a business involve in
> quantifying ormus
> >
> > > content in samples.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I'm the moderator. I am not, unfortunately, much
> of a leader that
> >
> > can
> >
> > > inspire people and so forth. I see that no one
> really gives a
> hoot,
> >
> > I
> >
> > > guess, since no one is posting anything.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I'd be glad to be told otherwise, but hey, when
> people don't even
> >
> > > talk about a subject, how can one sincerely
> expect to actually
> have
> >
> > > actions taken for that subject?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The FDA has already won in my opinion. I am paid
> for my ability
> to
> >
> > be
> >
> > > pragmatic about things. I am neither pessimist
> nor optimist as I
> >
> > > write this. Its just a fact.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The current state of Ormus brings upon itself a
> great adversary
> in
> >
> > > the form of the FDA. The FDA is a focussed,
> organized entity.
> >
> > Ormusia
> >
> > > is not. The Ormus world in comparison is pretty
> much populated by
> a
> >
> > > bunch of hippies that swing subjects from ormus
> in crop circles
> to
> >
> > > xenon water bringing ormus through ZPE, with as
> much focus and
> >
> > > persistence as a chicken who got his head cut
> off.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The Ormusians of today go even further by
> putting their heads in
> >
> > the
> >
> > > sand when confronted with this by bringing up
> the righteous
> shield
> >
> > of
> >
> > > Manifestation. Give me a break.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The problem with Ormusia is not the Ormus: its
> the Ormusians.
> >
> > >
> >
>
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