I have just posted a message over on our other site
[http://www.outlinersoftware.com/] inquiring about the fate of the
outliners.com archive, a copy of which Chris Murtland received in May.
Apparently there are difficulties in rendering it usable.

Has anybody heard anything more about this? Do others have copies of
this file? It would be a pity to lose all those discussions,
especially as the discussion group has now disappeared from the
outliners.com website.

It is possible to use Google, first searching for "outliners.com",
then selecting "Find web pages from the site outliners.com". About
19,700 pages come up, and Google allows searching within these results.

Unless I am doing something wrong, however, this last search does not
seem to me to work very well; many posts about software we have
discussed in the past (Zoot, ConnectedText, MyInfo) do not come up.
This suggests that Google cannot substitute for a complete searchable
archive of our own.

Derek

Ken (and Steve and Wes) -

Thanks for letting me know. I'll take a look at the download route.

Derek
--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth S. Rhee"
<polymath@...> wrote:
>
>
> You can just install OneNote beta, not the entire Office 2007 beta.
>
> The program works well although I have had a problem with search
functions
> (separate desktop search 3.0 beta).
>
> Ken
>

You can just install OneNote beta, not the entire Office 2007 beta.

The program works well although I have had a problem with search functions
(separate desktop search 3.0 beta).

Ken

Derek,

I've downloaded a recent OneNote beta, but have not yet installed it. It's about
200 MB. I didn't download any of the other apps in the suite, though I had the
option.

- Wes

-----Original Message-----
From: "derekcornishuk" <100341.2151@...>
To: outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 8/12/06 11:51 AM
Subject: [outliners-pims] Re: OneNote again

Steve -

I am thinking of taking another look at OneNote (I looked at the
original version, but didn't test it very thoroughly). Am I right in
thinking that one has to d/l the complete Office 2007 beta to get hold
of it? If so, are there any problems in installing the complete beta?

What I have in mind is whether the beta will overwrite my existing
Office 2003 installation (and maybe IE, if that is included), or
whether it can be kept safely corralled away from my regular Office
programs.

Thanks,

Derek

--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "stephenzeoli" <szeoli@...> wrote:
>
> Getting back to OneNote, I had never considered using OneNote as a
> daily journal until I learned of a great Power Toy (the ON equivalent
> of a plug-in, I guess) that automates creating daily journal pages and
> notes within those pages. With that convenience, you can then put the

Derek,

I'm sorry but I have not downloaded Office 2007 beta -- I only have
dial up and it is a humongus file... I started to pay the $5 for the
disks to be mailed to me, but some snafu prevented the transaction
from going through, so I took that as an omen. I wish I could answer
your question, but I can't.

Steve Z.

--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "derekcornishuk"
<100341.2151@...> wrote:
>
> Steve -
>
> I am thinking of taking another look at OneNote (I looked at the
> original version, but didn't test it very thoroughly). Am I right
in
> thinking that one has to d/l the complete Office 2007 beta to get
hold
> of it? If so, are there any problems in installing the complete
beta?
>
> What I have in mind is whether the beta will overwrite my existing
> Office 2003 installation (and maybe IE, if that is included), or
> whether it can be kept safely corralled away from my regular Office
> programs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Derek
>
> --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "stephenzeoli" <szeoli@>
wrote:
> >
> > Getting back to OneNote, I had never considered using OneNote as
a
> > daily journal until I learned of a great Power Toy (the ON
equivalent
> > of a plug-in, I guess) that automates creating daily journal
pages and
> > notes within those pages. With that convenience, you can then
put the
> > power of ON to work on your daily entries. Specifically, I think
the
> > flagging function is especially handy. Make a note that you want
to
> > follow-up on, flag it as such and whenever you want you can
search and
> > find a list of all the items needing follow-up. Same for To Do
items
> > or notes on specific topics. Other programs can be used to
achieve the
> > same things, of course, but given ON's other strengths, this
just adds
> > to its appeal.
> >
> > You can download and learn more about the journal Power Toy at:
> >
> > http://www.tabletdev.com/tools/DailyJournal.aspx
> >
> > Steve Z.
> >
>

Steve -

I am thinking of taking another look at OneNote (I looked at the
original version, but didn't test it very thoroughly). Am I right in
thinking that one has to d/l the complete Office 2007 beta to get hold
of it? If so, are there any problems in installing the complete beta?

What I have in mind is whether the beta will overwrite my existing
Office 2003 installation (and maybe IE, if that is included), or
whether it can be kept safely corralled away from my regular Office
programs.

Thanks,

Derek

--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "stephenzeoli" <szeoli@...> wrote:
>
> Getting back to OneNote, I had never considered using OneNote as a
> daily journal until I learned of a great Power Toy (the ON equivalent
> of a plug-in, I guess) that automates creating daily journal pages and
> notes within those pages. With that convenience, you can then put the
> power of ON to work on your daily entries. Specifically, I think the
> flagging function is especially handy. Make a note that you want to
> follow-up on, flag it as such and whenever you want you can search and
> find a list of all the items needing follow-up. Same for To Do items
> or notes on specific topics. Other programs can be used to achieve the
> same things, of course, but given ON's other strengths, this just adds
> to its appeal.
>
> You can download and learn more about the journal Power Toy at:
>
> http://www.tabletdev.com/tools/DailyJournal.aspx
>
> Steve Z.
>

Hi, Al,

No, IW does not have any capture facility at all, other than
standard cut and paste.

Steve Z.

--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "Al Cantley" <acantley@...>
wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Does Idea Weaver (IW) have an efficient "capture facility" like
Brainstorm
> or MyBase?  IW certainly sounds interesting; I am looking at
various tools
> for writing at the moment. However, before I DL .NET v2 over a
slooow
> connection...
>
> Thanks,
> Al Cantley
>
> On 8/9/06, stephenzeoli <szeoli@...> wrote:
> >
> >   I've recently downloaded and am trialing a piece of software I
don't
> > recall hearing about before. It is called Idea Weaver.
> >
> > http://www.ideaweaversoftware.com/
> >
> > It is a writing environment that seems quite promising to me.
> > Essentially, you create note cards that are stored in a running
> > list. These can be classified in three different ways: assigning
a
> > category, assigning topics, and placement in an outline. The
outline
> > is a separate entity -- like with ndxCards, the notes live
separate
> > from the outline until you want to organize them.
> >
> > Why Idea Weaver appeals to me (so far, during the very limited
time
> > I've been trialing it):
> >
> > 1. It is a dedicated writing environment. That is, it isn't
intended
> > as a multipurpose information management system.
> > 2. The editor is simple, but allows for extended selection of
words
> > and paragraphs. Basic formatting is available in the form of
bold,
> > italic and underlining.
> > 3. It feels more holistic to me than ndxCards and other systems
that
> > have a similar functionality.
> > 4. The interface is clean and seems very intuititve to me.
> >
> > What Idea Weaver is lacking:
> > 1. No advanced formatting (i.e. highlighting of text, tables).
> > 2. No spell check.
> > 3. No footnoting.
> >
> > I'm sure there are other deficiencies I have not yet uncovered.
And
> > one caveat: It requires NET.Framework 2.0.
> >
> > But, if, like me, you are still searching for a genuine writing
> > environment, Idea Weaver may well be worth checking out. The
price
> > is reasonable too.
> >
> > Steve Z.
> >
> >
> >
>

I've recently downloaded and am trialing a piece of software I don't
recall hearing about before. It is called Idea Weaver.

http://www.ideaweaversoftware.com/

It is a writing environment that seems quite promising to me.
Essentially, you create note cards that are stored in a running
list. These can be classified in three different ways: assigning a
category, assigning topics, and placement in an outline. The outline
is a separate entity -- like with ndxCards, the notes live separate
from the outline until you want to organize them.

Why Idea Weaver appeals to me (so far, during the very limited time
I've been trialing it):

1. It is a dedicated writing environment. That is, it isn't intended
as a multipurpose information management system.
2. The editor is simple, but allows for extended selection of words
and paragraphs. Basic formatting is available in the form of bold,
italic and underlining.
3. It feels more holistic to me than ndxCards and other systems that
have a similar functionality.
4. The interface is clean and seems very intuititve to me.

What Idea Weaver is lacking:
1. No advanced formatting (i.e. highlighting of text, tables).
2. No spell check.
3. No footnoting.

I'm sure there are other deficiencies I have not yet uncovered. And
one caveat: It requires NET.Framework 2.0.

But, if, like me, you are still searching for a genuine writing
environment, Idea Weaver may well be worth checking out. The price
is reasonable too.

Steve Z.

That might be known as PIMus envy.

> What's the term for the same malady on the developer side? I've got
a
> list of around 50 outliners/organizers, and I'm not even trying to
be
> exhaustive. Seems like everyone has to write one, too.
>
> (At least I should be guaranteed a few sales once I release Opal :-)
> --
>
> David Dunham                A Sharp, LLC                +1 206 783
7404
> The Opal outliner is now in public beta!     <http://a-
sharp.com/opal/>
>

> By the way, have you
> checked out Liquid Story Binder (www.blackobilisksoftware.com)? You
> won't believe how many features this developer has packaged with
> this program...

That's right, it's fantastic. Unfortunately, rather for fiction and
not for academic writing: there is no footnotes/endnotes. I've asked
for it a couple of times but in fact had no clear answer whether it
would be implemented in the foreseeable future.

Wojciech

>  > OK, what the heck is "CRIMP?"

>http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/17

What's the term for the same malady on the developer side? I've got a
list of around 50 outliners/organizers, and I'm not even trying to be
exhaustive. Seems like everyone has to write one, too.

(At least I should be guaranteed a few sales once I release Opal :-)
--

David Dunham                A Sharp, LLC                +1 206 783 7404
The Opal outliner is now in public beta!     <http://a-sharp.com/opal/>

Getting back to OneNote, I had never considered using OneNote as a
daily journal until I learned of a great Power Toy (the ON equivalent
of a plug-in, I guess) that automates creating daily journal pages and
notes within those pages. With that convenience, you can then put the
power of ON to work on your daily entries. Specifically, I think the
flagging function is especially handy. Make a note that you want to
follow-up on, flag it as such and whenever you want you can search and
find a list of all the items needing follow-up. Same for To Do items
or notes on specific topics. Other programs can be used to achieve the
same things, of course, but given ON's other strengths, this just adds
to its appeal.

You can download and learn more about the journal Power Toy at:

http://www.tabletdev.com/tools/DailyJournal.aspx

Steve Z.

Yahoo groups, or part of it, was down for a while yesterday.  Probably
explains SZ's lost message.

I havent had any problems with "previous/next."

-sc

Daly,

(Caveat: I have only trialed the three programs I am talking about
here, so my knowledge of their features is fairly limited, but I'll
give my impressions.) SuperNoteCard is a good, low-cost but
rudimentary tool for writing. Idea Mason seems from my brief look to
be a far more sophisticated program, and definitely better for
academic writing. Writer's Blocks costs $100 more than SNC, but does
not seem to me to be that superior. One thing that Writer's Blocks
has that SNC does not is the ability to insert your "blocks" or
cards into the integrated word processor, so you can view and work
on them as one document (I'm unsure as to how easily the whole can
then be parsed into the pieces again). WB also feels a bit more
solid and well programmed. I've noticed that SNC flickers and
twitches on a PC. It may perform better on a Mac.

On the whole, I think SNC packs an impressive number of features
into a low cost package, but if I were looking for a serious writing
application (and I am), I'd look elsewhere. By the way, have you
checked out Liquid Story Binder (www.blackobilisksoftware.com)? You
won't believe how many features this developer has packaged with
this program... and the rate of development is phenomenal (a little
too phenomenal). He's got outlines, and storyboards, and notes, and
more in addition to the editor itself. I do think these functions
could be better integrated, and the rate of development makes me
wonder if the program is really well-coded, although it seems to be.

Of these four programs mentioned here, I think they all fall
somewhat short of being great writing environments, which is why I
find myself mostly using NoteTab light (a free text editor) to do my
writing... as I continue to look for that perfect writing program
(so now I also have CREWPP - compulsive-reactive editor and writing
program purchasing).

Steve Z.

--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, Daly de Gagne
<daly_de_gagne@...> wrote:
>
> I think that helps, Steve.
>
> I think that ndxCards overlaps too much with other functions as
you
> mention. Now that I have got my info dedicated to MDE InfoHandler,
what I
> really need is the writing program.
>
> Would you say that SNC is better than Writer's Block? Than Idea
Mason
> (recognizing that IH does a bunch of stuff SNC does not, but int
terms of
> their similar features)?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Daly
>
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:29:19 -0500, stephenzeoli <szeoli@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Daly,
> >
> > I have looked at ndxCards, though it has been a little while.
While
> > the two programs have some similarities, I see them as having
> > completely different purposes (which can sometimes overlap).
> > ndxCards has far more features for genuine information
management,
> > though it can also be used to create an outline of a writing
> > project. SNC, on the other hand, is definitely a writing
program. I
> > wouldn't maintain my information database in it at all. SNC does
> > have a reference function, and these references can be associated
> > with individual note cards, but it is certainly not a
bibliographic
> > function. SNC may be more closely compared with Writer's Blocks,
in
> > that its main function is breaking a writing project into small
> > chunks and allowing you to rearrange them to your heart's
content.
> > It also has a rudimentary outline feature.
> >
> > Another difference in SNC and ndxCards is that I think ndxCards
is
> > meant to hold all your information in one file, while in SNC,
you'd
> > create a different file for each project.
> >
> > Did this help clarify things, or just muddy the waters further?
> >
> > Steve Z.
> >
> > --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, Daly de Gagne
> > <daly_de_gagne@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Steve, I can't remember whether you also looked at ndxCards or
> > not. If you
> >> did, how would you compare the respective feature sets of the
two
> >> programs? Is one more suited for scholarly pursuits than the
other?
> >>
> >> Daly
> >>
> >> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:41:38 -0500, stephenzeoli <szeoli@>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > As a follow up to this note about SNC, the new version has an
> >> > interesting feature allowing you to switch from its standard
> > layout
> >> > of the card deck to columns and rows. I think it was back on
the
> >> > outliners.com site where a few of us had a discussion about
the
> >> > merits of seeing information in this tabular way, so I thought
> > this
> >> > new feature might be of interest. Caveat: I am not a licensed
> > user
> >> > of SNC and have only played with the trial edition of this new
> >> > version.
> >> >
> >> > Steve Z.
> >> >
> >> > --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "stephenzeoli"
<szeoli@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> is now available at
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.mindola.com/snc/index.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Steve Z.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---
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> >> > http://www.avast.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Discuss and learn about David Allen’s Getting Things
Done:
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Getting_Things_Done/
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Getting_Things_Done/
>
>
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Alexander,

I've noticed the same thing. Kind of annoying. I do the same thing,
traveling back to the message list find out where I'm going.

Another odd behavior is that yesterday I sent a message about
SuperNoteCard and after it didn't show up in an hour, I rewrote it
and sent it again. This second message showed up, followed by the
first message three hours later... it must have gotten stuck in some
Yahoo whirlpool or something.

Steve Z.

--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander Deliyannis"
<sub@...> wrote:
>
> Just a note to say that the Yahoo! Groups navigation system above
> seems to be rather buggy; the prev/next message links erratically
> point to the wrong messages.
>
> I thought it was an Opera problem but I now have in message #385
open
> in IE with previous pointing to #381 and next to #379.
>
> I have found that the most consistent way to navigate is to start
> from the Messages list. To move forward I often need to manually
> adjust the message number.
>
> alx
>

I think that helps, Steve.

I think that ndxCards overlaps too much with other functions as you
mention. Now that I have got my info dedicated to MDE InfoHandler, what I
really need is the writing program.

Would you say that SNC is better than Writer's Block? Than Idea Mason
(recognizing that IH does a bunch of stuff SNC does not, but int terms of
their similar features)?

Thanks.

Daly

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:29:19 -0500, stephenzeoli <szeoli@...>
wrote:

> Daly,
>
> I have looked at ndxCards, though it has been a little while. While
> the two programs have some similarities, I see them as having
> completely different purposes (which can sometimes overlap).
> ndxCards has far more features for genuine information management,
> though it can also be used to create an outline of a writing
> project. SNC, on the other hand, is definitely a writing program. I
> wouldn't maintain my information database in it at all. SNC does
> have a reference function, and these references can be associated
> with individual note cards, but it is certainly not a bibliographic
> function. SNC may be more closely compared with Writer's Blocks, in
> that its main function is breaking a writing project into small
> chunks and allowing you to rearrange them to your heart's content.
> It also has a rudimentary outline feature.
>
> Another difference in SNC and ndxCards is that I think ndxCards is
> meant to hold all your information in one file, while in SNC, you'd
> create a different file for each project.
>
> Did this help clarify things, or just muddy the waters further?
>
> Steve Z.
>
> --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, Daly de Gagne
> <daly_de_gagne@...> wrote:
>>
>> Steve, I can't remember whether you also looked at ndxCards or
> not. If you
>> did, how would you compare the respective feature sets of the two
>> programs? Is one more suited for scholarly pursuits than the other?
>>
>> Daly
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:41:38 -0500, stephenzeoli <szeoli@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > As a follow up to this note about SNC, the new version has an
>> > interesting feature allowing you to switch from its standard
> layout
>> > of the card deck to columns and rows. I think it was back on the
>> > outliners.com site where a few of us had a discussion about the
>> > merits of seeing information in this tabular way, so I thought
> this
>> > new feature might be of interest. Caveat: I am not a licensed
> user
>> > of SNC and have only played with the trial edition of this new
>> > version.
>> >
>> > Steve Z.
>> >
>> > --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "stephenzeoli" <szeoli@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> is now available at
>> >>
>> >> http://www.mindola.com/snc/index.html
>> >>
>> >> Steve Z.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean.
>> > Virus Database (VPS): 0629-1, 19/07/2006
>> > Tested on: 19/07/2006 9:30:00 PM
>> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.
>> > http://www.avast.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Discuss and learn about David Allen’s Getting Things Done:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Getting_Things_Done/
>>
>>
>> ---
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>> Virus Database (VPS): 0629-1, 19/07/2006
>> Tested on: 19/07/2006 9:33:45 PM
>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.
>> http://www.avast.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
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> Virus Database (VPS): 0629-1, 19/07/2006
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> http://www.avast.com
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>



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Alx, first of all glad to see your posts become more frequent again.

I have found that from time with my group that Yahoo seems to have
glitches -- they usually work themselves out after a while.

I do wish I had started my group on Google, and am wondering if there is a
way to have everything done on the Yahoo group show up on the Google group?

Daly

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:27:51 -0500, Alexander Deliyannis
<sub@...> wrote:

> Just a note to say that the Yahoo! Groups navigation system above
> seems to be rather buggy; the prev/next message links erratically
> point to the wrong messages.
>
> I thought it was an Opera problem but I now have in message #385 open
> in IE with previous pointing to #381 and next to #379.
>
> I have found that the most consistent way to navigate is to start
> from the Messages list. To move forward I often need to manually
> adjust the message number.
>
> alx
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean.
> Virus Database (VPS): 0629-1, 19/07/2006
> Tested on: 20/07/2006 11:33:21 AM
> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.
> http://www.avast.com
>
>



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Steve, I am wondering if we could get CRIMP entered into DSM V, the
Diagnostic and Statistic Manual used by mental health professionals
(primarily psychiatrist and psychologist) for diagnosing patient's issues?

Daly

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:36:08 -0500, stephenzeoli <szeoli@...>
wrote:

> David (and anyone else curious about this),
>
> CRIMP is an acronym for a homemade malady called Compulsive-Reactive
> Information Management Purchasing... basically, those of us who are
> addicted to trying or/and buying any information manager that comes
> down the pike. A primary symptom is a sense that if you just had the
> perfect information manager you'd become a lot more productive, but a
> secret wish that you never find such an application, because then what
> would you do for fun? And what would there be to debate? Politics, the
> environment, war and peace, War and Peace, poverty... trivial issues
> like these?!
>
> Steve Z.
>
>
>
> --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, David Dunham <david@...> wrote:
>>
>> Alexander
>>
>> >Thanks Steve; what better to stimulate my CRIMP muscles...
>>
>> OK, what the heck is "CRIMP?"
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Stephen, I agree -- and I think you are a good example of the "gentle"
moderator.

I am a debater at heart, and what I enjoy about Stephen D is that he
always makes me think.

He reminds me of my best friend who died a number of years ago. He and I
would argue about anything.

It was fun. Even the day that he died, when he was weak and I was showing
him how to use his crutches, we had an argument -- not heavy duty, but
just to stay in form.

I think that I miss that a great deal. Like Stephen, my friend had a
wonderful mind that could see angles and perspectives no one else could --
or wanted to.

Before Stephen says it for me, a lot of my reaction to his comments was
that I am already angry about a lot of things that have nothing to do with
this list, so some of my response was much more spirited (obnoxious) than
it would have otherwise been.

Cheers,

Daly



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Just a note to say that the Yahoo! Groups navigation system above
seems to be rather buggy; the prev/next message links erratically
point to the wrong messages.

I thought it was an Opera problem but I now have in message #385 open
in IE with previous pointing to #381 and next to #379.

I have found that the most consistent way to navigate is to start
from the Messages list. To move forward I often need to manually
adjust the message number.

alx

Daly,

I have looked at ndxCards, though it has been a little while. While
the two programs have some similarities, I see them as having
completely different purposes (which can sometimes overlap).
ndxCards has far more features for genuine information management,
though it can also be used to create an outline of a writing
project. SNC, on the other hand, is definitely a writing program. I
wouldn't maintain my information database in it at all. SNC does
have a reference function, and these references can be associated
with individual note cards, but it is certainly not a bibliographic
function. SNC may be more closely compared with Writer's Blocks, in
that its main function is breaking a writing project into small
chunks and allowing you to rearrange them to your heart's content.
It also has a rudimentary outline feature.

Another difference in SNC and ndxCards is that I think ndxCards is
meant to hold all your information in one file, while in SNC, you'd
create a different file for each project.

Did this help clarify things, or just muddy the waters further?

Steve Z.

--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, Daly de Gagne
<daly_de_gagne@...> wrote:
>
> Steve, I can't remember whether you also looked at ndxCards or
not. If you
> did, how would you compare the respective feature sets of the two
> programs? Is one more suited for scholarly pursuits than the other?
>
> Daly
>
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:41:38 -0500, stephenzeoli <szeoli@...>
> wrote:
>
> > As a follow up to this note about SNC, the new version has an
> > interesting feature allowing you to switch from its standard
layout
> > of the card deck to columns and rows. I think it was back on the
> > outliners.com site where a few of us had a discussion about the
> > merits of seeing information in this tabular way, so I thought
this
> > new feature might be of interest. Caveat: I am not a licensed
user
> > of SNC and have only played with the trial edition of this new
> > version.
> >
> > Steve Z.
> >
> > --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "stephenzeoli" <szeoli@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> is now available at
> >>
> >> http://www.mindola.com/snc/index.html
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David (and anyone else curious about this),

CRIMP is an acronym for a homemade malady called Compulsive-Reactive
Information Management Purchasing... basically, those of us who are
addicted to trying or/and buying any information manager that comes
down the pike. A primary symptom is a sense that if you just had the
perfect information manager you'd become a lot more productive, but a
secret wish that you never find such an application, because then what
would you do for fun? And what would there be to debate? Politics, the
environment, war and peace, War and Peace, poverty... trivial issues
like these?!

Steve Z.



--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, David Dunham <david@...> wrote:
>
> Alexander
>
> >Thanks Steve; what better to stimulate my CRIMP muscles...
>
> OK, what the heck is "CRIMP?"
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7404
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sharp.com/opal/>
>

If the "spat" had continued, I'm sure that many would just have
stopped visiting this group.

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:46:47 -0500, stephend152000 <srdiamond@...>
wrote:

> --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, Daly de Gagne
> <daly_de_gagne@...> wrote:
>>
> <Stephen, reread your sentence that I took objection to. If someone
> else
> had said that, and you were in my position you might possibly have a
> problem with it.>
>
> A problem, yes; but not the problem you stated. You criticized me for
> insulting the moderators of this group, whereas you were really
> concerned with how my sentence applied to _you_.

Stephen:

When you're on your game you are _the_ man!

In retrospect, while I still feel it was a slam at all moderators, in all
honesty, I agree with you that the heat of my reaction is because I took
it very personally. I do not know whether it was meant that way, but
that's not the point; the point is I chose to take it personally, and was
not fully conscious of that until now.

Thank you for making me aware.

Hope your evening goes well.

Daly






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Steve, I can't remember whether you also looked at ndxCards or not. If you
did, how would you compare the respective feature sets of the two
programs? Is one more suited for scholarly pursuits than the other?

Daly

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:41:38 -0500, stephenzeoli <szeoli@...>
wrote:

> As a follow up to this note about SNC, the new version has an
> interesting feature allowing you to switch from its standard layout
> of the card deck to columns and rows. I think it was back on the
> outliners.com site where a few of us had a discussion about the
> merits of seeing information in this tabular way, so I thought this
> new feature might be of interest. Caveat: I am not a licensed user
> of SNC and have only played with the trial edition of this new
> version.
>
> Steve Z.
>
> --- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "stephenzeoli" <szeoli@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> is now available at
>>
>> http://www.mindola.com/snc/index.html
>>
>> Steve Z.
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>Thanks Steve; what better to stimulate my CRIMP muscles...

OK, what the heck is "CRIMP?"
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Hello,

Just thought I'd add this detail about what is new in version 2.0 of
SNC (www.mindola.com). You can now arrange the cards in columns and
rows, toggling back and forth between them. A while back, probably on
the old outliners.com site, some of us were discussing the merits of
displaying information in this kind of tabular arrangement. If you
liked that notion, you might want to check out SNC. Caveat: I don't
yet own a license for SNC and my experience actually using this
feature is limited to my current trial edition.

Steve Z.

Thanks Steve; what better to stimulate my CRIMP muscles... Talking of
which, here's the definite CRIMP site
http://www.bitsdujour.com/

Cheers
alx

--- In outliners-pims@yahoogroups.com, "stephenzeoli" <szeoli@...>
wrote:
>
> As a follow up to this note about SNC, the new version has an
> interesting feature allowing you to switch from its standard layout
> of the card deck to columns and rows. I think it was back on the
> outliners.com site where a few of us had a discussion about the
> merits of seeing information in this tabular way, so I thought this
> new feature might be of interest. Caveat: I am not a licensed user
> of SNC and have only played with the trial edition of this new
> version.
>
> Steve Z.