Hi all,
I have uploaded Tehreer FOG 0.1 file. This file is basiccaly Naqsh
file, and we'll be replacing the glyphs.
The FOG file structure is as follows:
* Isolated shapes (0600-06FF)
* Final Initial and Middle shapes of all characters
* Laam Alef ligatures and Allah ligature

I have replaced some of the initial isolated shapes.

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Dear Dr. Muhammad Afzal Saahab,
MashaAllah we are 34 people from Pakistan, Iran,
Austria and USA. These are the countries that are
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We are not distributing the Unicode charts (as published on the website or
the book), just the unicodes so explicit permission is not required in my
opinion. 

Sarmad


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lateef Sagar Shaikh [mailto:lateef_sagar@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:50 PM
> To: paktype@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [paktype] Terms of Use to distribut the Unicode Charts
>
>
> Hi all,
> There is a paragraph for distributing the Unicode charts. If you have
> got the permission, or think that we are not violating them then it
> is ok, otherwise either we have to get permission for distributing
> them through paktype or provide it as a link.
>
>
>
> Terms of Use
> You may freely use these code charts for personal or internal
> business uses only. You may not incorporate
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We are not distributing the Unicode charts (as published on the website or
the book), just the unicodes so explicit permission is not required in my
opinion.

Sarmad


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lateef Sagar Shaikh [mailto:lateef_sagar@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:50 PM
> To: paktype@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [paktype] Terms of Use to distribut the Unicode Charts
>
>
> Hi all,
> There is a paragraph for distributing the Unicode charts. If you have
> got the permission, or think that we are not violating them then it
> is ok, otherwise either we have to get permission for distributing
> them through paktype or provide it as a link.
>
>
>
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> You may freely use these code charts for personal or internal
> business uses only. You may not incorporate
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> otherwise distribute them without express
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There was a useful document from Dr Sarmad on another list, in which he
compared the mapping of UZT to UNICODE, if it has not appeared here, then Dr
Sarmad Sahib, can you post it here as well, otherwise I'll have to dig out
the archieves to get it here.

Regards
afzal

majidbhurgri wrote:

> Thanks to Ayaz for posting the Unicode list of Arabic script
> characters. I have marked the characters that we would need to
> include in a Sindhi font.
>
> We would also need to identify the complete glyph set, but that in
> any case would be based on this character set. The complete glyph
> set would, for example, include various shapes of Sindhi letters,
> i.e. initial, medial and final.
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Hi all,
There is a paragraph for distributing the Unicode charts. If you have
got the permission, or think that we are not violating them then it
is ok, otherwise either we have to get permission for distributing
them through paktype or provide it as a link.



Terms of Use
You may freely use these code charts for personal or internal
business uses only. You may not incorporate
them either wholly or in part into any product or publication, or
otherwise distribute them without express
written permission from the Unicode Consortium. However, you are
welcome to provide links to these charts.

Thanks to Ayaz for posting the Unicode list of Arabic script
characters. I have marked the characters that we would need to
include in a Sindhi font.

We would also need to identify the complete glyph set, but that in
any case would be based on this character set. The complete glyph
set would, for example, include various shapes of Sindhi letters,
i.e. initial, medial and final.

-Majid Bhurgri

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Dear Friends,

Check this out
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paktype/files/GlyphsFiles/U-FB50.pdf

Ayaz Gul Soomro

Dear Friends

Very detailed information about glyphs of Arabic & Sindhi are available in this file. May be this file help us which are new unicode font makers.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paktype/files/GlyphsFiles/Charcters.pdf

Ayaz Gul Soomro

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Salaam,
It'd be nice if someone make such documents for the
community.

--- "Dr. Sarmad Hussain" <sarmad.hussain@...>
wrote:
> Yes it would be very useful to have a list of
> character shape-unicode
> mapping for all languages of Pakistan.  It would
> also be good if this
> mapping is ratified by Sindhi Language Authority and
> circulated at URLSDF.
> I have already circulated such mapping for Urdu on
> the Urdu computing and
> URLSDF lists.
>
> However, we only need the character Unicode, and not
> the different shape
> unicodes.  Shape variation is handled by the OTF.
> Unicode discourages use
> of presentation forms, e.g. we should strictly use
> 062C for Jeem and never
> the other codes (FE9D, FE9E, FE9F , FE00) for OTF
> font development.
>
> Sarmad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abdul-Majid Bhurgri
> [mailto:majidbhurgri@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:28 AM
> To: paktype@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [paktype] Thanks to Ayaz
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I think I would like to share my experience with you
> all. If you already
> have a font which is not Unicode based then the
> easiest way to make it a
> Unicode based Sindhi font is to take an existing
> Sindhi Unicode based font
> and then using a freely available application like
> Font Creator Program, cut
> and paste the outlines between the two fonts. Good
> thing about FCP is that
> it does not touch or alter the OpenType tables of
> the font and leaves these
> intact. So if you cut each letter from a non-Unicode
> and paste it in the
> Unicode font and then change its name etc. you can
> easily create a Unicode
> based Sindhi font.
>
> Back to creating font from scratch, the first thing
> we need to do create a
> list or repertoire of glyphs that will be used in
> Sindhi font. We can create
> such a list in Word or Excel in a table format to
> keep ourselves organized.
> You can also download and use Unipad to find out the
> Unicode code points for
> the characters and glyphs. Here is my list of the
> letters, characters, and
> symbols used in Sindhi (following part may or may
> not be readable depending
> on how your system is set up to handle multilingual
> computing):
>
> ، ؛ ؟ ء آ ؤ ئ ا ب ة
> ت ث ج ح خ د ذ ر ز س
> ش ص ض ط ظ
> ع غ ـ ف ق ل م ن ه
> و ى ي ً ٌ َ ُ ِ ٠ ١
> Ù¢ Ù¢ Ù£ Ù¤ Ù¥ Ù¦
> Ù§ Ù¨ Ù© Ùª Ù« Ù¬ Ù­ Ù° Ùº Ù»
> Ù½ Ù¾ Ù¿ Ú€ Úƒ Ú„ Ú† Ú‡ ÚŠ
> ڌ ڍ ڏ ڙ ڦ ک
> ڪ گ ڱ ڳ ڻ ھ ۽ ۾  لا
> ـلا جھ گھ
> Then for each letter of alphabet we will have two or
> four glyphs depending
> on whether it joins from both sides or just one
> side. Having created such an
> agreed list, we then proceed and get Unicode numbers
> for all the characters.
> Although we do not absolutely need to, but it is
> better to get the available
> Unicode value of all the shapes. For example,
> Unicode value for character
> Jeem is 062C and the values or codes for its
> isolated form  is FE9D, its
> final form FE9E, its initial form FE9F and its
> medial form FE00. In the
> table we should list all the glyphs, their names and
> their code points.
>
> So first things first: we must agree and have a
> complete list of Sindhi
> characters, letters and symbols.
>
> -Majid
>  Lateef Sagar Shaikh <lateef_sagar@...> wrote:
> Thank you Ayaz for your support and contribution to
> this cause.
> Just wait till the completion of the TTF for Tehreer
> that I am making
> from the glyphs and definately you are one of my key
> resource and
> infact the reason behind this community! And after
> this time
> consuming exercise of Tehreer you'll be able to make
> fonts from
> scratch on your own.
> We can always start parallel projects and whenever
> your glyph shapes
> are ready we'll start it on parallel..
>
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Dear friends,

I think I would like to share my experience with you all. If you already have a font which is not Unicode based then the easiest way to make it a Unicode based Sindhi font is to take an existing Sindhi Unicode based font and then using a freely available application like Font Creator Program, cut and paste the outlines between the two fonts. Good thing about FCP is that it does not touch or alter the OpenType tables of the font and leaves these intact. So if you cut each letter from a non-Unicode and paste it in the Unicode font and then change its name etc. you can easily create a Unicode based Sindhi font.

Back to creating font from scratch, the first thing we need to do create a list or repertoire of glyphs that will be used in Sindhi font. We can create such a list in Word or Excel in a table format to keep ourselves organized. You can also download and use Unipad to find out the Unicode code points for the characters and glyphs. Here is my list of the letters, characters, and symbols used in Sindhi (following part may or may not be readable depending on how your system is set up to handle multilingual computing):

، ؛ ؟ ء آ ؤ ئ ا ب ة ت ث ج ح خ د ذ ر ز س ش ص ض ط ظ ع غ ـ ف ق ل م ن ه و ى ي ً ٌ َ ُ ِ ٠ ١ ٢ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩ ٪ ٫ ٬ ٭ ٰ ٺ ٻ ٽ پ ٿ ڀ ڃ ڄ چ ڇ ڊ ڌ ڍ ڏ ڙ ڦ ک ڪ گ ڱ ڳ ڻ ھ ۽ ۾  لا ـلا جھ گھ

Then for each letter of alphabet we will have two or four glyphs depending on whether it joins from both sides or just one side. Having created such an agreed list, we then proceed and get Unicode numbers for all the characters. Although we do not absolutely need to, but it is better to get the available Unicode value of all the shapes. For example, Unicode value for character Jeem is 062C and the values or codes for its isolated form  is FE9D, its final form FE9E, its initial form FE9F and its medial form FE00. In the table we should list all the glyphs, their names and their code points.

So first things first: we must agree and have a complete list of Sindhi characters, letters and symbols.

-Majid

 Lateef Sagar Shaikh <lateef_sagar@...> wrote:

Thank you Ayaz for your support and contribution to this cause.
Just wait till the completion of the TTF for Tehreer that I am making
from the glyphs and definately you are one of my key resource and
infact the reason behind this community! And after this time
consuming exercise of Tehreer you'll be able to make fonts from
scratch on your own.
We can always start parallel projects and whenever your glyph shapes
are ready we'll start it on parallel..

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Thank you Ayaz for your support and contribution to this cause.
Just wait till the completion of the TTF for Tehreer that I am making
from the glyphs and definately you are one of my key resource and
infact the reason behind this community! And after this time
consuming exercise of Tehreer you'll be able to make fonts from
scratch on your own.
We can always start parallel projects and whenever your glyph shapes
are ready we'll start it on parallel..

Thank you once again

Hi all,
I am creating a TTF based on these glyphs and it'll be complete very
soon.
Then we'll begin working on the FOG file.

Thanks

I am very glad to see the progress taking place and I would like to make as much contribution as I can. For those who are interested in learning how a Unicode based OpenType font for Windows platform is made, I believe this is an excellent opportunity to do so.

Abdul-Majid Bhurgri

 Lateef Sagar Shaikh <lateef_sagar@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I have uploaded glyphs for Tehreer font:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paktype/files/Tehreer/Glyphs/

I will be starting on the FOntographer file creation for this font.
Anyone who is interested in joining me plz email me, so that we can
share the work load.

These glyphs are not the final shapes and there are more than one BMP
for same ligatures as well. If anyone likes to make any improvement
then he/she is most welcome.


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Hi and thanks for a very prompt reply Khawar.. :)
I will make a detailed implementation document and
will upload it on the community. Then it'll become
easier for us to distribute the tasks.
Thanks once again..


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Hi all,
I have uploaded glyphs for Tehreer font:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paktype/files/Tehreer/Glyphs/

I will be starting on the FOntographer file creation for this font.
Anyone who is interested in joining me plz email me, so that we can
share the work load.

These glyphs are not the final shapes and there are more than one BMP
for same ligatures as well. If anyone likes to make any improvement
then he/she is most welcome.

Dear Majid Saab,
Thank you for your suggestion..
Here is the link

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paktype/files/Naqsh/License.txt


--- In paktype@y..., Abdul-Majid Bhurgri <majidbhurgri@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sagar,
> Always include the url of that which you are refering so that we
are no more than a click away from it.
> -Majid
>  Lateef Sagar Shaikh <lateef_sagar@y...> wrote:Hi all,
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Always include the url of that which you are refering so that we are no more than a click away from it.

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Hi all,
I have added a License file in Naqsh folder, and also changed the
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Hi all,
I have added a License file in Naqsh folder, and also changed the
description of the community.
Any comments are welcome

Hi all,
Thanks Si for initiating the discussion on licensing of our work. I
think we should adopt the GNU's Freeware license but I am still
hesitant because of following reasons:
1. I think it'd be ok for all of us if any company or other community
promotes our fonts by distributing (and not selling) our fonts with
their software and web sites. The only condition could be just to
preserve the name of font maker and font itself. And if someone wants
to make some additions and then distribute it, then the Font
description field should contain all details, like V1.0 by Mr. A and
V 2.0 by Mr. B. and so on.
2. Another issue is that I don't know how to get the license for
fonts; I mean I have been searching for getting GNU's license but I
am unable to find how to get it. Do we just have to copy their
license statements in our "rules.txt" file, or do we have to apply
for it through some application form.
I'll be more than happy if someone can discuss this issue here.
Two glyph sets are under designing. One by Ayaz's friend and one by a
commercial calligrapher and within 2 or 3 weeks, we'll be able to
start working on our first two fonts, therefore it'd be nice if the
licensing issue is resolved before that.
Thank you all

Hi all,
I have uploaded Naqsh 2.0 Fontographer file, Volt project and my
initial glyphs in bitmap format.
Location: Files->Naqsh
Also browse the site in Links area..