The 1.1 mb max file size was pretty much the standart back when
Windows 95 was in use.
As far as I can remember cliennts could not play files larger then
1.1MB because the client couldn't cache larger files.
With windows 98 / 2000 and mp3 jukeboxes I think we could even play
20MB sound files.
But not sure if those where mp3, which I always thought used a
external player, or .wav.


Anyway, so wha goes around comes around.

On another note, is anyone intrested in sorting all this info out and
write it up so I can put it on Palaceplanet in a beginners Sever guide?

Maarten

www.palaceplanet.net



On May 29, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Bri wrote:

>
>
> The following criteria, works for both quality and economy of file
> size on uploaded song files.
>
> Convert an existing, original MP3 to a temp PCM 44,100 Hz, 16-BIT,
> Stereo .wav file.
> compress the PCM .wav file to a MPEG LAYER-3, 12,000 Hz, 20-Bit,
> Stereo .wav file.
> for final upload to your server.
> You could well be accurate, however I recall the 1.1 mb discussion
> here years before Vista.
> In the Palace hey days, I recall many PCM jukeboxes with song files
> well over 4 mb in use.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: javve03
> To: palace-server@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:14 PM
> Subject: [palace-server] Re: converting MP3's for Palace
>
> I'll have to check out Goldwave. May be even easier for me. As far
> as it having nothing to do with vista, it has everything to do with
> vista.
>
> Vista's file limit for playing wav's from palace is smaller than
> that of xp. XP's limit is 1.4 mb, where vista is 1.1 mb. If I take a
> wave that was in palace and make it withing the vista's limit, it
> will play in vista where it would not before.
>
> It is not a palace problem but a vista problem. Now it's the hosts's
> discression if they want to edit all their wav's to be compatible
> with vista os's.
>
> --- In palace-server@yahoogroups.com, "Bri" <Brianna@...> wrote:
> >
> > a RIFF header'd mp3 is also called a mp3/wav or some jumble like
> that, Goldwave does have the export option. The RIFF format acts as
> a "wrapper" for various audio compression codecs. This Palace
> 'oddness' has been around since Win 98, has nothing to do with
> Vista. The idea is to use a Wav (RIFF) header, which Palace likes,
> then the OS will see a mp3 and plays it. The filesize limit has been
> there the past 10 years, for the life of me I can't remember
> why..lol. a 16-bit unsigned integer to record the file size header
> or a rule like that.
> > The usual bitstream encoding is Pulse Code Modulation (PCM)
> format. I haven't messed with alternatives in years but with today's
> broadband, a common music format for Mac and Win may be in order,
> with better file limitation.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: denise
> > To: palace-server@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [palace-server] Re: converting MP3's for Palace
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > or simply use GoldWave (for those that dont have it, google it,
> its a free download) .. setting it to convert the mp3 to a .wav ..
> using the setting MPEG Layer 3 32kBits 16,000 Hz Stereo (is what i
> use, but there are several that differ some, that can be used as
> well).. convert it and stick it in your palace folder, upload to
> server, or whatever you wanna do. Dont use hyphens or other special
> characters in the title and keep it under 28 characters .. the less
> the better, around 20 is best. *smiles* enjoy...
> >
> > denise aka angelbaby
> > ~~Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the
> moments that take our breath away!!~~
> >
> > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, javve03 <javve03@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: javve03 <javve03@...>
> > Subject: [palace-server] Re: converting MP3's for Palace
> > To: palace-server@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 10:03 PM
> >
> > I know this is an old topic but may answer some unanswered
> questions. To play mp3's in palace there is a program that is called
> a riff editor. What it does is takes any size file and copies it,
> putting a header at the beginning of the file. Then palace will only
> load 1.1 MB of the file (although you download the full song) to
> play. 1.1 MB is important for those of us that use vista. The old
> default size for windows xp is 1.4 MB. Vista will not load those
> from palace.
> >
> > What I would suggest, is to copy all the mp3's you want to use in
> palace into a seperate folder. Then use a program to convert the
> bitrate down to about 48 kbit. This should lower the size to 1 MB or
> less. After all that is done copy all the newly converted smaller
> mp3's into a folder that you will be creating next.
> >
> > Download and extract the riff editor.
> > http://www.studiodu st.com/riffmp3. html
> >
> > After extracting, rename the folder riff and copy to your C:
> drive. (Start, My computer [or computer for vista], then double
> click C:)
> > It's inside this folder where you will want to copy all the newly
> finished mp3 files.
> >
> > Now to convert them, you will need to click on the start menu and
> select run (for vista users start typing run in the search box, then
> click on run up top when it shows up).
> >
> > In the run box type cmd then enter
> > You will now be looking at a black box with text in it.
> > Type "cd \" and enter (without the quotes)
> > Type "cd riff" and enter (without the quotes)
> >
> > right click the mouse in the box and paste the following... .
> >
> > riffmp3 -l 1134000 -v -d riffed (filename) [repalace (filename)
> with the mp3 name]
> > example:
> > riffmp3 -l 1134000 -v -d riffed SecretCrowds. mp3 (capitalization
> must match)
> >
> > This will place the finished file (the one you want to use) in a
> folder named riffed, and if the file size is larger than 1.1 MB it
> will limit the header to only load 1.1 MB of song (file may be
> larger) although again I recommend when converting the mp3 to a
> lower bitrate that you make sure it's less than 1.1 MB.
> >
> > After all music is converted and in the riffed folder, you can
> keep the other files as backup or delete them (keeping the
> origionals of course). You can also convert .wav files to mp3 and
> then put a header on them as well.
> >
> > I realize this is a process, but for those of you that want to do
> it, well there are the instructions and link for the program. It
> says trial but so far it's fully working and tested.
> >
> > --- In palace-server@ yahoogroups. com, "Sue" <zinafl@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can someone give me directions to converting an MP3 music file
> so that
> > > it can be played in palace? I have GoldWave.
> > > Also need to know the largest size that a wav can be to play in
> palace
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Zina
> > >
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