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RE: [palanthsci] paleoreconstructors

One factor in Daynes’s reconstructions is the time it was completed.  Several of them are a decade or more old, and interpretations change.  Some of the images shown under erectus are from Dmanisi, which have at times been called ergaster, and are now arguably their own species.  Meanwhile, she’s done a more recent reconstruction of one of the Dmanisi hominids, and it is in its own section.  Also, these were all made for exhibits of some kind, and there may be some constraints put on them by the museum or whatever institution is footing the bill.  These issues arise for any artist whose work spans a decade or more.  You see the same trends with Gurche, but to a lesser degree since he has a rulebook he uses to keep the variations to a minimum and just lumps the erectus/ergaster reconstructions (including Dmanisi) into one gallery on his site.

 

Still, one of the interpretations of erectus and ergaster is that ergaster came first and is more primitive, evolving into erectus in Asia, while transitioning into something else (antecessor?, heidelbergensis?, rhodesensis?) in Africa and Europe.

 

I do wish the images were a bit large and lacked the copyright noticer, but I realize she doesn’t want to get ripped off.

 

Dave

 


From: palanthsci@yahoogroups.com [mailto:palanthsci@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Gilbert
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:08 PM
To: palanthsci@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [palanthsci] paleoreconstructors

 

 

Paul:

 

I know of at least one paleoanthropologist who claims there are four species or H.erectus.  Ergaster is essentially the African one, and many people don't think it's erectus, but others see a widespread species that varied regionally.

Anne G

 

 

 

Just looked at this; quite impressive. But I notice that the ergaster looks a lot less human the erectus, whereas I thought opinions were divided as to whether they were genuinely different species.

 

Paul

--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Anne Gilbert <avgilbert@clearwire.net> wrote:


From: Anne Gilbert <avgilbert@clearwire.net>
Subject: [palanthsci] paleoreconstructors
To: palanthsci@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 10:42 PM

All:

 

I know it's the "silly season", but I just stumbled across  Elisabeth Daynes website, where you can see some truly fantastic videos and examples of some of her reconstructions of prehistoric humans.  Whether they are sufficiently "realistic" or not, is another question, but new interpretations are always to be welcomed, and she is very talented indeed.

Anne G

 



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All: I know it's the "silly season", but I just stumbled across Elisabeth Daynes website, where you can see some truly fantastic videos and examples of some...
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Just looked at this; quite impressive. But I notice that the ergaster looks a lot less human the erectus, whereas I thought opinions were divided as to whether...
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Paul: I know of at least one paleoanthropologist who claims there are four species or H.erectus. Ergaster is essentially the African one, and many people...
Anne Gilbert
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One factor in Daynes's reconstructions is the time it was completed. Several of them are a decade or more old, and interpretations change. Some of the images...
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Four!!? Thatīs hogging it a bit, frankly.  Given the genetic closeness of all african apes, I wouldnīt have thought there was genetic room for that many...
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Paul: FWIW, most people don't agree with this extreme degree of "splitting"., though some people will split ergaster and erectus. Anne G Four!!? Thatīs...
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