MW: There's really no need to speculate on this issue. At 7.6 million years BP, the fossil record clearly shows that the-- earliest-- obligatory bipedal...
... Like all other bipedal animals (including us). Smart or bright. We weren't very smart also, when we became bipedal. If you want to know how, just ask (if...
... I don't have all the info. So please, Marcel, can you tell me, for which Miocene (lets say European) apes they know for sure they weren't bipedal (if you...
Mario- >>And he is saying that we couldn't evolve in shallow water because cats are excellent in moving through shallow water (because of the way they are...
MW: Ouranopithecus is clearly hominine (Africanape/human clade) appears to have been part of the gorilla-clade, IMO (See Nature (1992) vol. 359 pg. 676-677)....
... MW: Obligatory bipedalism is a semiaquatic adaption. The earliest bipedal hominoid, and probably hominin, in the fossil record was the swamp living ape...
... likelihood of a species occupying the same territory not consistent with reality. Predators take prey, but almost never do they take ALL the prey --...
In a message dated 5/2/04 9:50:15 AM, newpapyrus@... writes: << > I find the argument that possible predators eliminates TOTALLY the likelihood of a...
... suspect ... "Ouranopithecus is known only from the face and teeth..." (Begun 2001: 365). Begun, D.R. (2001). European hominoids. IN: W.C. Hartwig (ed.) The...
... From: Empress9@... To: paleoanthropology@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [paleoanthropology] Re: Beach Bums In a...
... MW: Knuckle-walking appears to have developed independently in chimpanzees, gorillas, the ancestors of humans and in probably a lot of terrestrial...
... all ... bipedal. ... world. ... the ... The references for this being: Kohler, M. & Moya-Sola, S. (1997). Ape-like or hominid-like? The positional behavior...
Marcel, Thanks for the explanation of your reasoning. You wrote: "The morphology of the human hands also suggest that they had ancestors who were once...
Marcel Williams (newpapyrus@...) wrote: <...One of the principal theories on the origin of knuckle-walking is that it is due to the permanent curvature...
... I don't know what you mean by not 'liking' the idea of coexistance. Many species co-exist - some as competitors, some as prey/predators. All I was saying...
JM: <snip>...Kevin was not aware the " 'savanna hypothesis' for the origin of bipedalism has been dying for at least 10 years now," and I doubt that most...
... MW: I've never heard of such a creature in the primate world as a habitual biped-- except maybe the hylobatids who probably walk bipedally because of their...
... MW: These features were discussed in the 1971 book Background for Man in Washburn's chapter 'The study of human evolution.' This was also discussed in the...
... is that ... to use ... morphology of ... phalanges of ... MW: The core point is that none of the extant great apes utilizes a palmigrade mode of locomotion...
... origin of bipedalism ... people are <snip>...Maybe you thought everyone knew that humans evolved on the shoreline, not the savannah. Maybe yoou thought...
American Journal of Physical Anthropology Volume 124, Issue 1 , Pages 81 - 92 Published Online: 20 Aug 2003 Seasonal change in terrestriality of chimpanzees in...
Journal of Human Evolution Volume 46, Issue 5 , May 2004, Pages 551-577 An examination of dental development in Graecopithecus freybergi (=Ouranopithecus...
Journal of Human Evolution Volume 46, Issue 5 , May 2004, Pages 605-622 Dental topography and diets of Australopithecus afarensis and early Homo Peter Ungar, ...
... replaced by the more complex mosaic model, that model does not include any of the elements of the old aquatic ape theory you seem to be championing, I'm...
Dar: One reference for you to consider is: Richmond and Strait, 2001. Evidence that humans evolved from a knuckle-walking ancestor, Nature,404:382-384. SA ...
MW: There were probably only two semiaquatic phases in hominin evolution, IMO. The first occurred on the island of Tuscany-Sardinia from about 9 million years...
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