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Re: Ban

Jens Wilkinson kirjoitti:
>--- Florent Garet <florentgaret@...
<mailto:florentgaret%40yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>> I liked the suggestion made by "etherman23" on
>> Worldlang ML: mi/ti/ta. Despite the 3 words are not
>> ideally differenciated, they obey a logical system:
>
> Florent, it's not a bad idea. For the moment, I have
> adopted mi/yu/ta, which is good in that the three
> words are easy to distinguish, but bad in that it is
> biased toward English. The mi/ti/ta system is nice
> because it has one English, one Chinese, and one
> Romance-sounding word. The problem for me would be
> that I use "di" as the Chinese possessive. Having both
> "di" and "ti" in such important places would be
> confusing. Hmmm.

Those pronouns sound nice in my opinion too. Two of them also are
identical with Nostratic pronouns, namely "mi" and "ti", if that's worth
anything.

--
Risto Kupsala
http://www.kupsala.net/risto

Pandunia - a cross-cultural IAL
http://www.kupsala.net/risto/pandunia/




Sun Mar 9, 2008 9:23 pm

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Voinko kysyä, where is 'ban' (group) from? I have the only explanation 'band', but probably that's wrong Dmitry...
Dmitri Ivanov
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Mar 7, 2008
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... I'm guessing it's from Chinese or Korean. There is a word like it in Japanese, which is "han". The word is commonly used for a group, and it's interesting...
Jens Wilkinson
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... Right, I've found it in Chinese: ban1 - group, class, brigade. It's interesting how the Chinese will take its usage instead of 'men'....
Dmitri Ivanov
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Mar 7, 2008
9:37 am

... It's correct, but in addition the word is also based on Chinese word "ban" (first tone), which means a group of people. I was thinking to use it as the...
risto@...
rkupsala
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Mar 7, 2008
9:56 am

I checked the plural marking of dozens of languages, and I find no universal (or widespread) pattern for it. The most regular system I found is in Quechua (and...
Florent Garet
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Mar 7, 2008
12:16 pm

... I agree about the sound. Also perhaps some English speakers would associate "mi-men" with "my men", which would be bad. There's one thing that I hate about...
risto@...
rkupsala
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Mar 7, 2008
1:12 pm

... I liked the suggestion made by "etherman23" on Worldlang ML: mi/ti/ta. Despite the 3 words are not ideally differenciated, they obey a logical system: m =...
Florent Garet
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Mar 7, 2008
1:27 pm

Sellamat prients! Udiviteljno chto Dmitry ne mne zadal čtot vopros! "Ban" is a very widespread root, of IE origin, maybe from Nostratic, but it owes its...
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Mar 8, 2008
11:43 am

... This is really one of the joys of working with language. I don't know if it can be definitely shown that "ban" and "bwana" are etymologically related, as ...
Jens Wilkinson
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Mar 8, 2008
12:37 pm

... Florent, it's not a bad idea. For the moment, I have adopted mi/yu/ta, which is good in that the three words are easy to distinguish, but bad in that it is...
Jens Wilkinson
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Mar 8, 2008
12:40 pm

... Those pronouns sound nice in my opinion too. Two of them also are identical with Nostratic pronouns, namely "mi" and "ti", if that's worth anything. -- ...
Risto Kupsala
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Mar 9, 2008
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... Of course, "yu" fits better in your system. But in Pandunia, pronouns are associated with possessive "ke", so "tu, ti, yu" are all posssible choices. -- ...
Florent Garet
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Mar 11, 2008
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... "ban" ... (we), ... word ... and it ... Mandarin, so ... Rick Harrison used "men" for plural pronouns in Dunia: http://www.langmaker.com/outpost/dunia.htm ...
Dmitri Ivanov
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Mar 7, 2008
12:46 pm

By the way, in Hindi there is 'gan' which means "group, multitude". I'm bearing it in mind for a long time but have not used it anywhere yet. Also, "men" could...
Dmitri Ivanov
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Mar 7, 2008
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Hi Risto, you may also consider DEN, from Mandarin deng3 meaning "sort, kind". Now it means mostly sort but in III-V centuries it was widely used as a plural...
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