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RE: [parlezuml] Re: Method Length - How Long Is Too Long?

Hi,
 
I suppose rather than continuing this discussion on the no of lines a method could/should have.
 
We could list the pros & cons of having a method with too many lines or having too many methods do the same task.
 
This would leave the judgment in the hands of the individual & stop him/her worrying over the metrics.
 
regards,
 
Bala
 


From: parlezuml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:parlezuml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pradeep (Gmail)
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:48 PM
To: parlezuml@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [parlezuml] Re: Method Length - How Long Is Too Long?

Oppsss....


Good debate!

Seems, the bench mark depends of the organization policies or the coding practice it follows.

What I have benched mark is a mix of many things.
Action points (do one thing of its own, but can call other members for performing its own action)
Restrict the line of code, basically try to set a boundary which fits in a one pan of your computer screen, + 10 lines max (now don't tell what about 19 inch monitors comparing 14 inch ones, take the current screen as the base)


It works fine on my organization level.

Regards
Ps


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Bayley, Alistair <Alistair_Bayley@invescoperpetual.co.uk> wrote:

> From: parlezuml@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:parlezuml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jasongorman_uk
> Sent: 22 February 2009 18:00

>
> Sorry to labour the point, but if I made the following statement:
>
> "Any method containing more than 5,000 lines of executable code and
> that will potentially need to be maintained by a human being is too
> long and needs to be broken down into smaller methods."
>
> During a court case for professional software development
> malpractice, who here would argue against that?
>
> Jason Gorman

What's your evidence? Earlier I think you suggested 5-10 lines as your
preferred upper limit.

See the 2nd-last paragraph on this page (a summary of Code Complete,
which I do not have):
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LongFunctions
Looks like 50-200 lines per method is optimal.

"These are not the figures you're looking for."

I asked a similar question a while ago on the refactoring list; here's
the start of the thread:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/refactoring/message/1959
This is perhaps the most useful response:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/refactoring/message/1982

... where Jonas speculates that long methods are more likely to contain
duplicated code. Martin Fowler states, in Refactoring, that Duplicated
Code is the no.1 code smell (followed by Long Method :-) ), but he
doesn't say why, merely that "you can be sure your program will be
better if you find a way to unify them". At least Fowler gives arguments
against long methods, with the primary being that longer procedures are
more difficult to understand, but the actual studies seem to contradict
the very short methods advocated by XP & TDD exponents.

I'm wondering if the cost of duplicated code isn't as great as TDD'ers
think. If you assume that in long methods (>20 lines?) there will be
some duplication, then you could infer from the studies that said
duplication doesn't cost much.

Alistair
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The question is: Method Length - How Long Is Too Long?   The problem with total contextualism is the problem with total relativism, surely. Can anyone suggest...
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... relativism, surely. Can anyone suggest a context where a method containing, say, 5,000 LOC is fine? ... the majority will reach consensus on? Maybe lines...
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... So if a 5,000 line method only did "one thing", it would be okay?...
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Sorry to labour the point, but if I made the following statement: "Any method containing more than 5,000 lines of executable code and that will potentially...
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... What's your evidence? Earlier I think you suggested 5-10 lines as your preferred upper limit. See the 2nd-last paragraph on this page (a summary of Code...
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Oppsss.... Good debate! Seems, the bench mark depends of the organization policies or the coding practice it follows. What I have benched mark is a mix of many...
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... I found some evidence (OK, someone else did). From this blog entry: http://dubroy.com/blog/2009/03/09/method-length-are-short-methods-actual ly-worse/ we...
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IMHO It is too long when * there are still some lines to read but you have already forgotten what you've read * you need to take down notes to...
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I love this ... I would add: You can't describe it without referring to the code. From: parlezuml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:parlezuml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf...
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How long is too long?? THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN ON FOR TOO LONG!!! STOP THIS NON SENSE! ... From: Bayley, Alistair <Alistair_Bayley@...> Subject:...
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... what if I delegate? does that count? my Java method was only 3 lines long but delegated to something that was 5,020 lines of Forth code. (which I didn't...
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... Nope it would be pretty horrible wouldn't it, and in anything I've ever written there would have been plenty of places in that 5000 lines for logical...
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Hi all, I always tend to make a method not more than 30 to 40 lines of code, so a human can see the whole method on screen without scrolling. This makes it...
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Hi, I suppose rather than continuing this discussion on the no of lines a method could/should have. We could list the pros & cons of having a method with too...
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Alternatively, we could stop focusing on the exceptions, and rather look at the 95% confidence interval. I would be happy to say that 95% of the time, a method...
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One line. No more, no less. ;) That's what someone I was pairing with teased me about the other week - lately I seem to try to keep most of my methods down to...
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