Dear peditors:

Have you joined http://www.egroups.com/group/peditors yet? 92 of us have.

I will soon release a new software which will be free to all members of the
peditors' Forum and which will knock your socks [nylons?] off since it will
be the 1st serious attempt and step towards the syllogism

			  "palm + keyboard = laptop"

which notion as of today exists in a modified form

		      "pedit + palm + keyboard = laptop".

Best regards, Paul

P.S. Almost all peditCombo owners have already converted to peditPro. Have
you?

# Were you born in the Old World?

Yep. So OLD that I could hardly wait to get away from it. Best regards, Paul

# >PUZZLE: I crossed th Atlantic about 100 times. Have I done it an even or
odd
# >number of times?
#
# I'd say even (one trip out, one trip back) however it is possible
# that you went over the Atlantic, but back around the other way if you
# had to visit several countries in a row.

Well, it's even. But I went around the world only once. How can it be even
then?

<<<<<
Were you born in the Old World?
Did you fly at some time on a polar route, crossing the Arctic rather than
the Atlantic?

-- Mark A. Mandel
    FIJAGH! Now, *filking*, on the other hand...
    http://world.std.com/~mam/filk.html

# >PUZZLE: I crossed th Atlantic about 100 times. Have I done it an even or odd
# >number of times?
#
# I'd say even (one trip out, one trip back) however it is possible
# that you went over the Atlantic, but back around the other way if you
# had to visit several countries in a row.

Well, it's even. But I went around the world only once. How can it be even
then?

# >PUZZLE. Up-to 1988 I visited appr. 40 countries. Since then I visited maybe
# >one or two new countries. I prefer going back the the ones which I know and
# >like. BTW, my favorite country is the Edmonton Mall. Anyway, how come that I
# >claim "well over 50" above?
#
# Some of the places you have been have changed the country they are
# part of and/or split into more than one.

Correct. Slovenia, Chroatia, Slovakia, Check Republic, Ukraine, etc.  Do I
count FRG and GDR separately now?

Best regards, Paul

>PUZZLE: I crossed th Atlantic about 100 times. Have I done it an even or odd
>number of times?

I'd say even (one trip out, one trip back) however it is possible
that you went over the Atlantic, but back around the other way if you
had to visit several countries in a row.

>PUZZLE. Up-to 1988 I visited appr. 40 countries. Since then I visited maybe
>one or two new countries. I prefer going back the the ones which I know and
>like. BTW, my favorite country is the Edmonton Mall. Anyway, how come that I
>claim "well over 50" above?

Some of the places you have been have changed the country they are
part of and/or split into more than one.

Jennifer
(BTW, I love pedit!  I wasn't quite sure I'd go with it at first, b/c
TakeNote came free with my keyboard, but after playing with pedit I
just had to register)

The White Crow
FUDGE Deryni and the Penn Ar Mor Ars Magica Saga:
http://www.io.com/~whytcrow/rpg.html
"Your destruction is the will of the gods, and we are their
instrument."  -- Halo

This is very important in regards to Fiji since if I drop dead then you guys
will be out of luck and out of your investment.

Yesterday I got a call from the travel agent: we are going to bypass Fiji and
go straight to NZ. I am still awaiting for the details.

BTW, please do not think that I do such a trip every year.

Although as a professional mathematician I've been to well over 50 countries
[in many of them with large multiplicites and for extended periods], I rarely
ever go on vacation and this is the most expensive thing I ever done in my
life [after the house and the cars, and, oh yes, the kids' college].

PUZZLE: I crossed th Atlantic about 100 times. Have I done it an even or odd
number of times?

PUZZLE. Up-to 1988 I visited appr. 40 countries. Since then I visited maybe
one or two new countries. I prefer going back the the ones which I know and
like. BTW, my favorite country is the Edmonton Mall. Anyway, how come that I
claim "well over 50" above?

Best regards, Paul

Ben Fuller wrote:

>>>>>
I do a lot of research on tourism, and usually those tour groups keep you
fairly insulated from local happenings, and usually the prime tourism
areas are not close to places where lots of locals live.  (I.e., would
you pay lots of bucks to go to a small city which looks a lot like other
small cities around the world?)
I would ask your tour operator about arrangements.  The guy in charge of
this "rebellion" seems to be a bit off his rocker.
<<<<<

We're talking about *Fiji* here, not Turkey or India. How far apart are any
two places in Fiji? How many international airports are there? One, I'll
bet. Is it likely to be a zone of conflict? Are there risks there?

    Mark A. Mandel : Dragon Systems, a Lernout & Hauspie company
  Mark_Mandel@... : Sr. Linguist & Mgr. of Acoustic Data
  320 Nevada St., Newton, MA 02460, USA : http://www.dragonsys.com
                      (speaking for myself)





Ben Fuller <ben@...> on 07/18/2000 01:48:56 PM

Please respond to peditors@egroups.com

To:   peditors@egroups.com
cc:
Subject:  Re: [peditors] pedit - BUG


Paul,

I do a lot of research on tourism, and usually those tour groups keep you
fairly insulated from local happenings, and usually the prime tourism
areas are not close to places where lots of locals live.  (I.e., would
you pay lots of bucks to go to a small city which looks a lot like other
small cities around the world?)
I would ask your tour operator about arrangements.  The guy in charge of
this "rebellion" seems to be a bit off his rocker.

/Ben


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 7/18/00, 12:08:25 PM, Paul Nevai <nevai@...> wrote
regarding Re: [peditors] pedit - BUG:


> # Do you have an alternative plan? What about a couple of weeks at aunt
> # Mildred's ranch? :)

> We are on a organized group tour of the South Pacific [the "trip of the
> lifetime"].  Best regards, Paul

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Paul,

I do a lot of research on tourism, and usually those tour groups keep you
fairly insulated from local happenings, and usually the prime tourism
areas are not close to places where lots of locals live.  (I.e., would
you pay lots of bucks to go to a small city which looks a lot like other
small cities around the world?)
I would ask your tour operator about arrangements.  The guy in charge of
this "rebellion" seems to be a bit off his rocker.

/Ben


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 7/18/00, 12:08:25 PM, Paul Nevai <nevai@...> wrote
regarding Re: [peditors] pedit - BUG:


> # Do you have an alternative plan? What about a couple of weeks at aunt
> # Mildred's ranch? :)

> We are on a organized group tour of the South Pacific [the "trip of the
> lifetime"].  Best regards, Paul

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> BTW: Did you buy that new car yet?
> If not, check this site out.
> They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car.
> http://click.egroups.com/1/6847/2/_/_/_/963918507/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> peditors-unsubscribe@egroups.com

# Do you have an alternative plan? What about a couple of weeks at aunt
# Mildred's ranch? :)

We are on a organized group tour of the South Pacific [the "trip of the
lifetime"].  Best regards, Paul

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:03:11 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

> Would you please do a poll on the peditor Forum? I'd like to find out if you

Done.


Paolo
--
EncyCMUCLopedia * Extensive collection of CMU Common Lisp documentation
http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/

Enter your vote today!  Check out the new poll for the peditors
group:


Which style of tip windows do you prefer
(i.e. the windows that appear when you
tap the "i" icon in the upper right
corner of dialogs)? This poll will be
closed on Sunday July 23, 2000.

   o Palm style tip windows with bold faced fonts
   o Customized pedit tip windows with normal faced fonts


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://www.egroups.com/polls/peditors

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:05:18 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

> I'll investigate it when I get home. Right now my principal worry is that we
> are supposed to go to FIJI on the way to NZ and there is a civil war going
> on.  Can you imagine that I get kidnapped|shot|lynched|whatever before
> peditPro is 100% debugged and released and before the new manual is
> completed!  What a nightmare. Best regards, Paul

Do you have an alternative plan? What about a couple of weeks at aunt
Mildred's ranch? :)


Paolo

P.S.
Do you have any pedit users among the rebels? :)
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http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/

Yours, man =)

-Zach

   xak@...
   http://xak.home.mindspring.com/
   ICQ# 18136854


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Nevai" <nevai@...>
To: "peditors Mailing List" <peditors@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 11:03 PM
Subject: [peditors] pedit + tips


> Hi Paolo:
>
> Would you please do a poll on the peditor Forum? I'd like to find out if
you
> guys prefer the palm style tip windows with bold faced fonts or my
customized
> tip windows with normal faced fonts. You can guess what my preference is
but
> I'd like to know what the other peditors think. Molto grazie, Paul
>
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Hi Paolo:

Would you please do a poll on the peditor Forum? I'd like to find out if you
guys prefer the palm style tip windows with bold faced fonts or my customized
tip windows with normal faced fonts. You can guess what my preference is but
I'd like to know what the other peditors think. Molto grazie, Paul

Hi Gals & Guys:

Kevin discovered that if you do an "ALL R" job [replace all] and there are
too many replacements then it stops before the job is fully completed.

I'll investigate it when I get home. Right now my principal worry is that we
are supposed to go to FIJI on the way to NZ and there is a civil war going
on.  Can you imagine that I get kidnapped|shot|lynched|whatever before
peditPro is 100% debugged and released and before the new manual is
completed!  What a nightmare. Best regards, Paul

Here is some early feedback on the HTML pedit manual draft available at
http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/man.html. My comments are in
"flow of consciousness" style and you may already be aware of some of the
issues raised here.


<0.02$>
* I would rearrange differently the order of the first sections:

     Introduction to the pedit Family of Palm Text Editors
     Minimum Requirements
     Compatibility issues
     Where to Get pedit from?
     Installation
     How to Register pedit?
     Technical Support
     The pedit Mailing List
     Terminology
     ...

* I would add some sort of "executive summary", i.e. a list of major
features, around the beginning of the manual.

* Too many terms and expressions, such as Memo Pad, have bold emphasis. Too
much emphasis "dilutes" the effect of emphasis on terms that really need
it.

* There is no information on how to correctly refer to copyrighted terms
(e.g. instantHelp and magiPad) in different contexts such as informal
messages posted to mailing lists or newsgroups, Web pages, documentation of
compatible products, etc.

* It would be useful to provide a compressed archive with the manual and
all the images for offline reading.

* An invaluable reference resource would be a complete sorted list of
commands and their shortcuts (i.e. strokes/keys). This might also become a
reference card. Of course this is a lot of work, and it may be worth doing
it only with appropriate tools to automate it. A utility written with a
scripting language could for example extract the information from source
and resource files and generate HTML.
</0.02$>


Paolo
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http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/

# I have no idea who invented the toaster or LCD. My grandmother invented
# apple pie.

Which of the two? Best regards, Paul

Tom Wiencko wrote to Paul Nevai:
# Toaster: Charles Strite (Patent 1698146) Issued January, 1929
# LCD Watch: Group lead by Nunzio Luce, 1970, for Optel Corp.
#
# Apple pie?  Currently believed to be in the public domain.  I can tell
# you about the baked apple torte, however.
#
# Researcher of obscure irrelevent trivia,

Wow! You win. Of course, I should have excluded Poles [or are you maybe
Ukrainian?], Hungarians, Jews, and other intellectuals who traditionally have
no life from the competition. Best regards, Paul

Paul Nevai wrote:
>
> Dear peditors:
>
> ...
>
> Does any of you know who invented the toaster or LCD watch or apple pie?
>
>

Toaster: Charles Strite (Patent 1698146) Issued January, 1929
LCD Watch: Group lead by Nunzio Luce, 1970, for Optel Corp.

Apple pie?  Currently believed to be in the public domain.  I can tell
you about the baked apple torte, however.

Researcher of obscure irrelevent trivia,
Tom


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President - Wiencko & Associates, Inc.                    (404) 255-2330
Telecom Consulting & Project Development -- Wireline, Wireless, Internet

Harry Konstas (http://www.total.net/~hkonstas/), the author of the HKfont
font included with pedit, fixed it to support more characters and renamed
it to TinyFonts. Paul Nevai has solicited opinions on this renaming.

Reflecting one own's initials in a product name has been common in the
computing field at least since ABC, the Atanasoff Berry Computer (1940-42).
I think users don't mind, especially if the product is good. So I suggest
Harry not to drop his initials from the font name.

If Harry wants to point out that the font that is going to ship with pedit
is a new version of HKfont, he may pick a name with the "HK" substring such
as "µHK fonts" suggested by Stephen W. Stout elsewhere in this forum
("µHK", however, might be a search-engine unfriendly string).


Paolo
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http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/

At 08:03 PM 7/15/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Does any of you know who invented the toaster or LCD watch or apple pie?


Paul,

I have no idea who invented the toaster or LCD. My grandmother invented
apple pie.

John

Hi Guys:

Please fill out your personal profiles [unless it's confidential] so that we
all knew who we are. I mean the name and URL's only, not the other data.
Maybe a picture would be nice too.

Best regards, Paul [pedit: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/ ]

Hi Gals/Guys:

The latest OnBoardC supports pedit, pedit32, AND peditPro!

I made my first HACK ever last night with peditPro + OnBoardC + RscrEdit.

LispMe may also, except that I asked Fred to keep it confidential. Of course,
the confidentiality has been lifted ecept that I forgot to ask Fred about it.

Best regards, Paul [pedit: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/ ]

P.S. Get the peditSDK from pedit's web page.

Dear peditors:

Harry Konstas' TinyFont has been incorporated into pedit. The latest versions
[4.03] are available at

	      pedit: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/

and

	  http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/pp/ppb.zip [peditPro]

In addition, a PRELIMINARY and still very much UNDER CONSTRUCTION version of
pedit's manual is available at

	  pedit: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/man.html

Please do not send me reports on typos and such since Margret and I are very
well aware that man.html is full of them.

On the other hand, if you have any remarks of CONCEPTUAL nature, please post
them to

		 peditors@egroups.com (peditors Mailing List)

which both Margret and I will monitor. Thanks a million.

Best regards, Paul

P.S. Please sign up for http://www.egroups.com/group/peditors since I will
navigate more and more towards peditors@egroups.com and I will phase out the
current mailing list in the near future.

# * Launcher
#
# Since as of pedit 2.0 LispMe is a pedit friendly application, it can be
# invoked with the Launcher.

Don't forget the shortcut: after you launched LispMe once, you can launch
LispMe again by tapping in the upper left corner of EditView.

Best regards, Paul

P.S. pedit was the overwhelming winner in the LispMe survey as the most
frequently used editor. The only problem is, as I recall, that only one or
two people voted. But, who cares for such insignificant details.

# I forgot to ask: does automatic indentation work with external keyboards?

I works with ALL keyboards. The built-in palm "keyboard" ain't no keyboard so
it doesn't count. The built-in palm "keyboard" does not edit the memo.  It
copies it, edits it, and then pastes it back.

Ciao, Paolo [the other one]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:21:03 +0200, Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@...>
wrote:

> * Automatic indentation
>
> Entering Return with Graffiti (this does not work with the built in virtual
> keyboard) aligns the cursor to the first non whitespace character of the
> previous line. This reduces typing. Given that the readability of Lisp code

I forgot to ask: does automatic indentation work with external keyboards?


Paolo
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http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/

The information below is based on a message I sent to the LispMe mailing
list. I provide a list of features that, together with a hack included with
LispMe, make pedit particularly well suited to editing Lisp code, and the
reasons why I think they are useful.

I hope this material may be relevant also to users of other development
environments that run on the Palm such as Quartus Forth, HotPaw Basic,
PocketC, etc. I encourage them to tell us about more features they may use
for editing code. And I also encourage peditors who are not programmers to
tell us how they use the those features for their documents.

Let's start with some background information. LispMe is a Scheme
development environment that runs on the Palm:

   http://www.lispme.de/lispme/

Scheme is a member of the Lisp family of programming languages. Since
LispMe accesses source files from the Memo Pad database, it can be used
with pedit.

LispMe comes with Parentheses Hack, a little hack that simplifies entering
Lisp code. The hack, which actually works with text fields in any
application including pedit, can (parentheses are an important element of
Lisp syntax):

* briefly highlight an opening parenthesis when the corresponding closing
   one is typed
* highlight the corresponding matching parenthesis, if any, of a selected
   one
* select the block of text between two matching parentheses.

Here is finally the list of features.


* Support for multiple fonts including monospaced ones

This makes it easier to indent and align Lisp forms. I use HKfont, which
allows lines of 40 characters. Although it is possible to fit more
characters on a single line with the Normal proportional default font, I
find it painful to properly align forms and later change them.


* Automatic indentation

Entering Return with Graffiti (this does not work with the built in virtual
keyboard) aligns the cursor to the first non whitespace character of the
previous line. This reduces typing. Given that the readability of Lisp code
depends on indentation, and that Lisp code tends to use indentation a lot,
this is no minor benefit.


* Automatic extra whitespace insertion and alignment of comments

It is useful for comments spread over several lines because it reduces
typing. The Lisp comment character is ";" and Scheme does not provide
special markers for multiline comments such as "/*" and "*/" in C.


* Left and right movement of text blocks

This, in conjunction with the selection feature of Parentheses Hack and
pedit's automatic indentation, makes it easier to insert a code segment
into an enclosing form.


* magiPad

This simplifies the insertion of frequently used code fragments or
templates without cluttering the system shortcuts. I place the most
frequently used fragments at the top of magiPad. I use a small
font--HKfont--for editing Lisp code, so I insert extra blank lines between
fragments to make it easier to quickly select fragments.


* Launcher

Since as of pedit 2.0 LispMe is a pedit friendly application, it can be
invoked with the Launcher.

Lisp systems are typically interactive environments that read expressions
entered by the user, evaluate them and print the resulting value. The
Launcher can be used to make LispMe evaluate code fragments taken from a
memo.

I do this by selecting and copying the code to the clipboard, invoking
LispMe with the Launcher, pasting the code in the input field and tapping
the "Eval" button. The LispMe input field can not currently accept more
than 128 characters, so I check the statistics in the memo title bar before
selecting the code.

As of version 2.7, LispMe can invoke pedit on the selected memo from its
load dialog. Note that LispMe recognizes only the pedit creator ID, not the
peditPro one.

Given the growth of the pedit family, and the availability of other editing
options (LispMe 2.7 provides a simple internal editor and future versions
will support the Doc format), it is not clear how the LispMe user interface
can cope with multiple editors. Perhaps it might provide a single edit
button in the load dialog, and invoke the editor specified by the user in a
preferences dialog.


Paolo
--
EncyCMUCLopedia * Extensive collection of CMU Common Lisp documentation
http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/

Dear Friends:

Margret discovered a guaranteed fatal bug if you use "pedit!" and "pedit32!"
so please STOP using them to invoke peditPro IMMEDIATELY!

I will check the code tomorrow morning and issue a bug fix.

QUESTION. What is pedit! [aka peditLauncher] and pedit32! [aka
pedit32Launcher]?

ANSWER. They are "aliases" for peditPro. You can use them to start up
peditPro in either pedit or pedit32 mode. You can assign them to hard
buttons, and to GoType! and PPK function keys. Their installation is
optional.

Best regards, Paul

pedit: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/