Dear peditors:

Get the latest pedit 8.13 from

       http://home.columbus.rr.com/nevai/palm

WARNING. Since pedit, LapTopHack, and pToolSet share components, if you use
more than one of them, then they all must be of the same version, preferably
the latest one.

Dear LapTopHackers:

Get the latest LapTopHack 8.13 from

       http://home.columbus.rr.com/nevai/palm/LapTopHack.zip

WARNING. Since pedit, LapTopHack, and pToolSet share components, if you use
more than one of them, then they all must be of the same version, preferably
the latest one.

Cheers, Paul

Dear pToolSetters:

NOTE. I messed up and I accidentally spent a bunch of pToolSet 8.12 messages
to the registered users. Sorry.

NEW. A few goodies, e.g., improved Treo support.

Get the latest pToolSet 8.13 from

       http://home.columbus.rr.com/nevai/palm/pToolSet_demo.zip

WARNING. Since pedit, LapTopHack, and pToolSet share components, if you use
more than one of them, then they all must be of the same version, preferably
the latest one.

Cheers, Paul

Dear users of PaulComputing products:

What's NEW? Please see the very end of the manuals.

         http://www.paulcomputing.com
         http://www.osuweb.net/~pc/pca/pc_all.zip
         http://home.columbus.rr.com/nevai/palm/versions.html
         http://home.columbus.rr.com/nevai/palm/recent.html

Archive:  http://www.osuweb.net/~pc/pca/pc_all.zip
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drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 EventAnalyzerHack/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 grepHack_demo/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 LapTopHack/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 listNavigatorHack_demo/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 menuNavigatorHack_demo/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 pedit_all/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 printHack_demo/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 pToolSet_demo/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor 29-Nov-07 19:22
pToolSet_demo/00pToolButtons/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 superFinderHack_demo/
drwx------  2.3 unx        0 bx stor  4-Dec-07 10:22 TimeSetter_demo/
107 files, 5341982 bytes uncompressed, 2815195 bytes compressed:  47.3%

WARNING. Since pedit, LapTopHack, and pToolSet share components, if you use
more than one of them, then they all must be of the same version, preferably
the latest one.

Cheers, Paul

Wow two new updates of pToolSet within one morning. That's commitment    :)
Jake


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Dec 4, 2007 10:20 AM, Paul Nevai <nevai@...> wrote:
> Dear pToolSetters:
>
> NOTE. I messed up and I accidentally spent a bunch of pToolSet 8.12 messages
> to the registered users. Sorry.

I was wondering why I got emails for pToolSet 8.12 and 8.13 at the
same time.  "Wow!  A new point release so fast?" :-)
______
Dennis

Hi guys,
having deliberated for ages about replacing my lost TX, I found a Treo
650 on eBay that I could not refuse.

So I am now a Treo guy, and I am grateful to Paul for all the work he
did putting together the lower case navigation. I am reminded
constantly now how useful a feature it is. I reckon there has been a
cost saving too, because my mixture of apps on my Treo (which are
largely the same as my old TX)is perfect, and aside from maybe for
security and tweaks, I see no need for extra third party software.

Thanks again.
What is in the pipeline for pToolSet next?

Regards
Andy

I'd like to read about the ongoing reliability of your 650. I owned
several early Treos and absolutely loved them, until the day came, for
each one, when it broke. I actually opened some up and repaired two or
three of them -- new screen, new batteries, bad keys and so forth.
That was not a fun experience. Worse, in every case, the Treo
eventually died after just a few more months.

True, those were early units -- right at this moment I don't recall,
was it 320? (and I owned more than one model, by the way) but I've
heard that reliability is the Achilles heel of the whole line.

On the other hand, I've heard some people say they never had a
problem. Just not enough of them.

Ralph

On 12/19/07, bluefish1960 <andymmail@...> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> having deliberated for ages about replacing my lost TX, I found a Treo
> 650 on eBay that I could not refuse.
>
> So I am now a Treo guy, and I am grateful to Paul for all the work he
> did putting together the lower case navigation. I am reminded
> constantly now how useful a feature it is. I reckon there has been a
> cost saving too, because my mixture of apps on my Treo (which are
> largely the same as my old TX)is perfect, and aside from maybe for
> security and tweaks, I see no need for extra third party software.
>
> Thanks again.
> What is in the pipeline for pToolSet next?
>
> Regards
> Andy
>
>
>
> Latest pedit/pToolSet/LapTopHack at http://www.osuweb.net/~pc/pca/pc_all.zip
> pedit/pToolSet/LapTopHack scripting info/resources at http://www.peditors.com
> Peditors Forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peditors
> Unsubscribe by writing to peditors-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In peditors@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Dratman" <ralph.dratman@...>
wrote:
>
> I'd like to read about the ongoing reliability of your 650. I owned
> several early Treos and absolutely loved them, ...........<snip>

Hi Ralph.
I am amazed at the quality of this unit. I got it from eBay and it is
three years old.
Everything works fine apart from a slighty loose 5 way pad.

I have studied the ROM customisation on TreoCentral, and actually
customised my own unit to free up a whole load of dsbCache which makes
it more stable.

Never wanted a phone/PDA combi before. Never want anything other that
this again!

Regards
Andy

> What is in the pipeline for pToolSet next?

A well deserved rest period for Paul.

All=my=best, Paul

Quoting Paul Nevai <nevai@...>:

>> What is in the pipeline for pToolSet next?
>
> A well deserved rest period for Paul.
>
> All=my=best, Paul


    dx/dt = k,  d^2x/dt^2 = 0 , or dx/dt = 0   ??

     ~ John

On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 01:26:32PM -0500, John Markley wrote:
>    dx/dt = k,  d^2x/dt^2 = 0 , or dx/dt = 0   ??

Good question...Paul

P.S. It looks like Verizon has now the Treo 755p too.

Quoting Paul Nevai <nevai@...>:

>
> P.S. It looks like Verizon has now the Treo 755p too.

   Yup.  Hooray at last.  I have one on order, so soon the subject line
will apply to me too.  Meantime have worked out how I think I'll set up
differently than the TX, quite a few changes due to the keyboard and
the lovely feature additions you've been making.

     Cheers,       John.

>   Yup.  Hooray at last.  I have one on order, so soon the subject line
> will apply to me too.  Meantime have worked out how I think I'll set up
> differently than the TX, quite a few changes due to the keyboard and
> the lovely feature additions you've been making.

The best new feature: lack of DIA. The next best: lack of Graffiti.  I miss
the abbreviations though.

/Paul

Paul et al,

I'm extremely pleased with my (Sprint) 755p. The only thing I
(occasionally) miss is the large screen of my TX, but the longing
eventually goes away... :-D

I do NOT miss the spontaneous hard resets of my TX, though...

If by abbreviations, you mean shortcuts, try shortcut5 by Mark Tamura -
http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/shortcut5.shtml

BTW - Is there a list of the Treo specific features in pToolSet? If so,
could you please provide a pointer?

Happy Holidays to all!

Regards,

-Jerry
--
"Commonsense is on perpetual backorder..."

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Nevai <nevai@...>
Date: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:09 am
Subject: Re: [peditors] I have joined the Treo set!
To: peditors@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Paul Nevai <nevai@...>

> >   Yup.  Hooray at last.  I have one on order, so soon the subject
> line
> > will apply to me too.  Meantime have worked out how I think I'll
> set up
> > differently than the TX, quite a few changes due to the keyboard
> and
> > the lovely feature additions you've been making.
>
> The best new feature: lack of DIA. The next best: lack of Graffiti.
> I miss
> the abbreviations though.
>
> /Paul
>
>
> Latest pedit/pToolSet/LapTopHack at
> http://www.osuweb.net/~pc/pca/pc_all.zippedit/pToolSet/LapTopHack
> scripting info/resources at http://www.peditors.com
> Peditors Forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peditors
> Unsubscribe by writing to peditors-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Sorry, what is DIA?

Thank you.

Ralph


On 12/21/07, Paul Nevai <nevai@...> wrote:
> >   Yup.  Hooray at last.  I have one on order, so soon the subject line
> > will apply to me too.  Meantime have worked out how I think I'll set up
> > differently than the TX, quite a few changes due to the keyboard and
> > the lovely feature additions you've been making.
>
> The best new feature: lack of DIA. The next best: lack of Graffiti.  I miss
> the abbreviations though.
>
> /Paul
>
>
> Latest pedit/pToolSet/LapTopHack at http://www.osuweb.net/~pc/pca/pc_all.zip
> pedit/pToolSet/LapTopHack scripting info/resources at http://www.peditors.com
> Peditors Forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peditors
> Unsubscribe by writing to peditors-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

...... Original Message .......
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:46:48 -0500 "Ralph Dratman"
<ralph.dratman@...> wrote:
>Sorry, what is DIA?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Ralph
>

Dynamic Input Area.  The rectangular *Area* at bottom 1/3 of the screen for
graf or virtual keyboard *Input* which can be *Dynamic*ally displayed or
hidden.  A source of no end of problems for software developers.

    ~  John
*****
via T|X & wifi /Snapper + pEditTool

n Dec 21, 2007 11:46 AM, Ralph Dratman <ralph.dratman@...> wrote:
> Sorry, what is DIA?

Data Input Area.  On older devices, it was the area at the bottom of
the screen where you would write Grafitti characters as input.  Newer
devices made it "virtual" -- the DIA could be collapsed, and the area
it occupied used to display more of the program.

Virtual DIA support is quirky on PalmOS devices, and each new version
of PalmOS seems to change the rules in a way that breaks the way
programs deal with it.  Paul has waxed eloquent on the topic here.

Personally, I *like* the big 320x480 screen, and getting one was the
biggest single specification for a new device when I upgraded from my
failing Tungsten E, but I don't have to write programs that support
it...

> Thank you.
> Ralph
______
Dennis

Quoting John Markley <jmmjr@...>:

>
>
>
> ...... Original Message .......
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:46:48 -0500 "Ralph Dratman"
> <ralph.dratman@...> wrote:
>> Sorry, what is DIA?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>
> Dynamic Input Area.  The rectangular *Area* at bottom 1/3 of the screen for
> graf or virtual keyboard *Input* which can be *Dynamic*ally displayed or
> hidden.  A source of no end of problems for software developers.
>
>   ~  John

oops.  I think Dennis is correct, Data, not Dynamic.  Sounds good though.....

     ~ John

> BTW - Is there a list of the Treo specific features in pToolSet? If so,
> could you please provide a pointer?

I can't think of such a list. Try pEditTool when SMSing. You'll like the
letter counter. Some list navigation is also Treo friendly.

/Paul

On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:47:32PM -0500, John Markley wrote:
> oops.  I think Dennis is correct, Data, not Dynamic.  Sounds good though.....

I think it's "dynamic". Let's google it...yep, it is...

  http://www.access-company.com/developers/downloads/codesamples/ui/dia.html

or... Democracy in America, etc.; see

	   http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Dynamic+Input+Area

/Paul

..... Original Message .......
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:08:57 -0500 Paul Nevai <nevai@...> wrote:
>>   Yup.  Hooray at last.  I have one on order, so soon the subject line
>> will apply to me too.  Meantime have worked out how I think I'll set up
>> differently than the TX, quite a few changes due to the keyboard and
>> the lovely feature additions you've been making.
>
>The best new feature: lack of DIA. The next best: lack of Graffiti.  I miss
>the abbreviations though.
>
>/Paul
>
>
Hi, Paul,

To each his own ;-)

I work nearly exclusively on my Palm (the PC gets switched on only when my Palm
can't cope), and the two reasons I still haven't changed over from my T3 to a
Treo are the atrociously abominable NVFS - surely the worst idea any PDA
developer ever had - and Graffiti, which, together with TealScript, works so
well for me that the very idea of that tiny little Treo keaboardlet makes me
shiver.
[I've even got two spare T3s to take over when this one will finally be beyond
repair.]

Regards,

Jochen

----------------------------------------------------
Sent with SnapperMail on a Palm T|T3

Jochen Konietzko
Fühlinger Weg 4
D-50765 Köln
+49/1772998789

Quoting Paul Nevai <nevai@...>:

> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:47:32PM -0500, John Markley wrote:
>> oops.  I think Dennis is correct, Data, not Dynamic.  Sounds good
>> though.....
>
> I think it's "dynamic". Let's google it...yep, it is...
>
> http://www.access-company.com/developers/downloads/codesamples/ui/dia.html
>

   Oh, goody!!  :)

> or... Democracy in America, etc.; see
>
> 	  http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/Dynamic+Input+Area
>
    Or, Detroit Institute of Arts, recently refurbished with great fanfare.

> /Paul

        ~ John

On Dec 21, 2007 1:08 PM, John Markley <jmmjr@...> wrote:
> Quoting Paul Nevai <nevai@...>:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:47:32PM -0500, John Markley wrote:
> >> oops.  I think Dennis is correct, Data, not Dynamic.  Sounds good
> >> though.....
> >
> > I think it's "dynamic". Let's google it...yep, it is...
> >
> > http://www.access-company.com/developers/downloads/codesamples/ui/dia.html
>
>   Oh, goody!!  :)

I *think* you'll find it was Data Input Area in the old days, beck
before the notion of making it virtual and providing a 320x480 total
screen size arose.

> > /Paul
>        ~ John
______
Dennis

Quoting dmccunney <dennis.mccunney@...>:

> On Dec 21, 2007 1:08 PM, John Markley <jmmjr@...> wrote:
>> Quoting Paul Nevai <nevai@...>:
>>
>> > On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:47:32PM -0500, John Markley wrote:
>> >> oops.  I think Dennis is correct, Data, not Dynamic.  Sounds good
>> >> though.....
>> >
>> > I think it's "dynamic". Let's google it...yep, it is...
>> >
>> > http://www.access-company.com/developers/downloads/codesamples/ui/dia.html
>>
>>   Oh, goody!!  :)
>
> I *think* you'll find it was Data Input Area in the old days, beck
> before the notion of making it virtual and providing a 320x480 total
> screen size arose.
>
>> > /Paul
>>        ~ John
> ______
> Dennis

   Ah, so.  I think to Paul and other developers it is D##^%!! Input Area.  :)

     ~ John

Hi Jochen:

NVFS on the Treo 755p is quite good. I only experience delays (but no
crashes) in Blazer.

> [I've even got two spare T3s to take over when this one will finally be beyond
repair.]

I did the same with my pre-Intel Macs. I even recently bought a brand new
ancient eMac.

/Paul

Jgluck@... a écrit :

If by abbreviations, you mean shortcuts, try shortcut5 by Mark Tamura
-http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/shortcut5.shtml
<http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/shortcut5.shtml>


If only it could also be shipped with shortcut examples... ;)

Xavier

On Friday 21 December 2007, Paul Nevai wrote:
> > BTW - Is there a list of the Treo specific features in pToolSet? If so,
> > could you please provide a pointer?
>
> I can't think of such a list. Try pEditTool when SMSing. You'll like the
> letter counter. Some list navigation is also Treo friendly.
>
> /Paul
>
Thanks much. I'll give it a try.

-Jerry
--
Commonsense is on perpetual backorder...
Registered Linux User #165194

On Friday 21 December 2007, Xavier Maillard wrote:
> Jgluck@... a écrit :
>
> If by abbreviations, you mean shortcuts, try shortcut5 by Mark Tamura
> -http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/shortcut5.shtml
> <http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/shortcut5.shtml>
>
>
> If only it could also be shipped with shortcut examples... ;)
>
> Xavier
>
Ah, mon ami - you are looking for shortcuts to shortcuts...
In this neighbohood, you have to build them yourself!!! :-D

-Jerry
--
Commonsense is on perpetual backorder...
Registered Linux User #165194

Jerry Gluck a écrit :
> On Friday 21 December 2007, Xavier Maillard wrote:
>
>> Jgluck@... a écrit :
>>
>> If by abbreviations, you mean shortcuts, try shortcut5 by Mark Tamura
>> -http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/shortcut5.shtml
>> <http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/shortcut5.shtml>
>>
>>
>> If only it could also be shipped with shortcut examples... ;)
>>
>> Xavier
>>
>>
> Ah, mon ami - you are looking for shortcuts to shortcuts...
> In this neighbohood, you have to build them yourself!!! :-D
I know that :)

Regards