Excellent idea Norb. I do use that feature in Datebk4, but I'm still
of the opinion that we should leave app launching to app launchers
all together (even though LTH does launch the Calc application, which
I think comes in extremely handy, so let's please keep it :) ). In
that case, I guess the next question would be, "What the heck else do
we want LTH to do?" I'm trying to think back to the good old days of
DOS and the cool TSR called SideKick Plus. If I can only remember all
the stuff it had...

Best Regards,

Tamim

--- In peditors@y..., Norbert Preining <preining@l...> wrote:
> Hi Paul!
>
> THe discussion about which -master should be linked into the
> LTH form is long, what about the idea from Datebk4:
>
> A configuration option where you fill in creator id for button
> X, this way anybody can start the app he like. This is happening
> within datebk4 when you tap on New -> App
>
> Best wishes
>
> Norbert
>
> --
> ciao
> norb
>
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------
+
> | Norbert Preining              http://www.logic.at/people/preining
|
> | University of Technology Vienna, Austria        preining@l... |
> | DSA: 0x09C5B094 (RSA: 0xCF1FA165) mail subject: get [DSA|RSA]-key
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> +-------------------------------------------------------------------
+

Markus Pluss wrote to Paul Nevai:
# With LTH v2.75, if I activate editpad and then the Date and Voltage,
# both disappear within a minute (this happens with editpad and D&V
# individually, but using both allows me to time things easier).

Hi Mark and Markus [or Mark*]:

I am gonna e-mail you a DEBUGGERR version of LTH which will print a message
in the top of the screen when it quits. Pleae let me know what it says and
please try it more than o sure that the message is always the same.
OK? Best regards, Paul

If TealNag bothers you, I suggest that you buy pay for it and then, after a
fair trial period, if you changed your mind, ask for your money back.  It's
probably a good idea if you check with TealPointm in advance if they will
allow you to do this. AMB=Paul

On December 10, 1999 Paul started working on pedit. On February 1, 2000 he
publicly released version 1.00. I include below a collector item: the
announcement he posted to several newsgroups.


Paolo


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From: nevai@... (Paul Nevai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,alt.comp.sys.palmtops.pilot,
   comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,
   alt.comp.sys.palmtops.hp,de.comp.sys.handhelds.palm-pilot
Subject: palm software ANNOUNCEMENT - pedit has finally arrived!!!
Date: 1 Feb 2000 16:17:38 GMT

Thus is my very first publicly released palm software so please be very
gentle in blaming me for plugging it. Instead, please rush to
http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/ and ENJOY!!! Please tell me what
you think of pedit!

#############################################################################
pedit is based on Palm Computing's built-in "Memo Pad" and is meant to
replace it [just like DateBk3 made "Date Book" obsolete]. It packs a myriad
of features which makes it a perfect tool for anyone using the palm for
serious text editing.

Even casual writers will appreciate its simple but rich and efficient
interface.
#############################################################################

Best regards, Paul

Paul Nevai                         nevai@...
Department of Mathematics          http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/
The Ohio State University          http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~jat/
231 West Eighteenth Avenue         http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/
Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174          1-614-292-5310 (Office/Answering Device)
The United States of America       1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
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Hi Paolo:

Wow! You remembered it and you found the announcement. I really appreciate
it. Molto grazie, Paul

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001,Peter Grierson scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

->Bill
->I am interested how you got a nag on exiting

what i said, or meant to say anyway, was that i didn't mind a nag when i
entered or when i exit, but i got a nag anytime i entered the main form, and
that was way too many for me to be bothered testing the software.   especially
when testing i'd be in and out of it a lot and all those extra taps to get
out of the nags add up.   as it stands now, unless everyone here tells me that
tealpoint has some vastly superior app, they won't get any of my business.

--
Bill Thater             Certified ORACLE DBA
Telergy, Inc.            thaterw@...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"We are different, in essence from other men.
If you want to will something run 100m.
If you want to experience something run a marathon"
Emil Zatopek
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No extensible language will be universal.  - T. Cheatham

Works fine on my Visor DX OS3.1 and on my wifes Prism OS3.5, both with LTH
2.75b.  Dirk [:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: psvincent@... <psvincent@...>
To: peditors@yahoogroups.com <peditors@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: [peditors] Re: editpad disappearing


>Here's what I've found:
>
>With LTH v2.75, if I activate editpad and then the Date and Voltage,
>both disappear within a minute (this happens with editpad and D&V
>individually, but using both allows me to time things easier).
>
>If I deactivate LTH, delete it, install v2.73... no such symptoms.
>If I then reinstall v2.75, happens again.  So for the time being, I
>can't get editpad, D&V, etc. in versions after 2.73 to stay up for
>more than a minute.
>
>Mark
>
>--- In peditors@y..., Paul Nevai <nevai@m...> wrote:
>>
>> # new.  I suppose it could be something I've added recently, though
>I
>> # haven't added much (and definitely haven't added any hacks).  It
>> # might have begun after updating to 2.74, as I haven't used my
>> # keyboard much in the past few days.  I'll see what I can come up
>with.
>>
>>
>> That stuff I mentioned was new. I did it to fix the "alarm" crash.
>Best
>> regards, Paul
>
>
>
>Check the beginners' pedit pTutorial site at http://seigel.yi.org/
>To unsubscribe from this group, write to
peditors-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>

# A configuration option where you fill in creator id for button X, this way
# anybody can start the app he like. This is happening within datebk4 when
# you tap on New -> App

One more step towards making LTH even more complicated than it already is.
Nope. Sorry. DateBK4 is great but it is not exactly the the simplest
application on Earth. AMB=Paul

I already sent a debugger version to Mark*. Let's wait what the two Mark*s
say. Best regards, Paul

>Works fine on my Visor DX OS3.1 and on my wifes Prism OS3.5, both with LTH
>2.75b.  Dirk [:o)

My Visor Platinum (3.5H) had no problems either.  Maybe it is a 3.3 thing?

Jennifer

The White Crow
FUDGE Deryni and Brave New World stuff:
http://www.io.com/~whytcrow/
"I love being married. It's so great to find that one special person you
want to annoy for the rest of your life." -- Rita Rudner

This particular problem seems to be related to the fix for a prior
glitch that only seemed to affect a few people [was included in
v2.74]... I think that problem got narrowed down to those running
IIIx's and OS3.3?  I'm sure of the OS, not as sure that it was
limited to IIIx's.  At any rate, it stands to reason that this last
set of symptoms would be limited to the same bunch.

You know, if I have to I'll upgrade to OS3.5.  I've resisted since
none of the features mentioned by Palm sound like they are worth the
hassle (i.e., I already get the split screen option and better alarm
dialog from Datebk4, etc.).  However, this might provide the
incentive.

Mark

--- In peditors@y..., whytcrow@i... wrote:
> >Works fine on my Visor DX OS3.1 and on my wifes Prism OS3.5, both
with LTH
> >2.75b.  Dirk [:o)
>
> My Visor Platinum (3.5H) had no problems either.  Maybe it is a 3.3
thing?
>
> Jennifer
>
> The White Crow
> FUDGE Deryni and Brave New World stuff:
> http://www.io.com/~whytcrow/
> "I love being married. It's so great to find that one special
person you
> want to annoy for the rest of your life." -- Rita Rudner

# commandKeyMask
# 000257

Yep. I was right! You have a Low Battery Alert [but, most likely, it is a
FALSE alert]. Blame OS 3.3 BUT I am gonna fix it anyway. Best regards, Paul

P.S. I will wait for Markus' response before I fix it.

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:43:03 -0500 (EST), Paul Nevai
<nevai@...> wrote:

> Wow! You remembered it and you found the announcement. I really appreciate
> it. Molto grazie, Paul

I have been keeping that announcement since last February. I decided to
keep it because I felt that that application had great potential, and it
was worth closely watching it.

At the time I was looking for a Memo Pad replacement for use with LispMe
and the reference to "a myriad of features" in your announcement attracted
my attention. A few weeks later I tried pedit, I think it was 1.08, and
immediately got hooked.


Paolo - Director, MVSEVM OF THE HISTORY OF PEDITING
--
EncyCMUCLopedia * Extensive collection of CMU Common Lisp documentation
http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:26:36 EST, Jerry Skelley <jesk50@...> wrote:

> I've just uploaded pdesk82-beta.zip to the Files sections.
>
> NEW IN VERSION 0.82-beta
> 1)  Language option.  Alt+Control+L sends all screen messages to a text file
> (pdesk.rsc) which can be edited and translated.  If pdesk.src is present, the
> translated messages replace the default English messages.

Developers are usually suggested to leave 30% more room in user interface
elements containing labels or editable text in order to allow for localized
strings.


> primary language.  This version of peditDesk allows multi-lingual peditors to
> translate my screen messages into other languages (somewhat limited by DOS
> character set);  the translated text file could then be distributed to other
> peditors who are NOT comfortable working in English.

If anybody is willing to share files with localized messages for peditDesk,
just send them to me (or Jerry?) and I will upload them to the Files
section of the forum.


Paolo
--
EncyCMUCLopedia * Extensive collection of CMU Common Lisp documentation
http://cvs2.cons.org:8000/cmucl/doc/EncyCMUCLopedia/

Dear peditors, LapTopHackers, and peditHackers:

	    http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/x/pedit_beta.zip
	    http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/x/LapTopHack.zip
	  http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/x/LapTopHack_man.html
	   http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/x/pedit_man.zip
	  http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/x/LapTopHack_man.zip
	   http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/palm/pedit_man.html
   http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~nevai/x/LapTopHack.hqx [w/o version no.]
	 update info posted at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peditors

NEW in pedit 5.07. New "WC" [works with segmented memos too] and
buttonShifted "WC". New intelligent export/import [splitting files at logical
interruptions]. Please test it. Jennifer syas that "WC" was not accurate but
I couldn't replicate it.

NEW in LTH 2.76b. Fixed the "disappearing" thing. Is it OK? Now? [Mark and
Markus]

Best regards, Paul

Paul,

Appears to have solved the problem.  One minor change I notice is
that I can no longer bring up the date and voltage display from
within editpad, but *I'm not complaining!* because I now have more
than 60 seconds to use editpad.  :)  Thanks!

Mark

--- In peditors@y..., Paul Nevai <nevai@m...> wrote:
> Dear peditors, LapTopHackers, and peditHackers:
>

> NEW in LTH 2.76b. Fixed the "disappearing" thing. Is it OK? Now?
[Mark and
> Markus]
>
> Best regards, Paul

Hi Paul,

    What are you using as a "logical interruption"? I tried importing
a bunch of DOC files (in 32K mode) and they were all split where
there was a space. I was under the impression that they would be
segmented at a line break or new paragraph.

I consulted the manual under "segmented memos" and it still
reads, "...you will realize that the files have been split up without
taking into consideration logical pauses in the text such as
paragraphs, new lines. or spaces."

Best Regards,

Tamim


> New intelligent export/import [splitting files at logical
> interruptions].

# Appears to have solved the problem.  One minor change I notice is
# that I can no longer bring up the date and voltage display from
# within editpad, but *I'm not complaining!* because I now have more
# than 60 seconds to use editpad.  :)  Thanks!

Right. It was a bug that I used to allow it. I fixed it. Had I kept that
"feature", it would have allowed recursive invocations of various forms which
is fun to do but will lead to a crash. E.g., 25 calendars on top of each
other, each set to a different month. Isn't that fun? AMB=Paul

#    What are you using as a "logical interruption"? I tried importing
# a bunch of DOC files (in 32K mode) and they were all split where
# there was a space. I was under the impression that they would be
# segmented at a line break or new paragraph.

Nope. I bet you didn't check carefully.

1. Is there a paragraph break within 100 chars? If yes, go there.

2. If not, then is there a new line within 100 chars? If yes, go there.

3. Same with space.

4. If neither then split right now.

Do you think this is not how it works? Please e-mail me a DOC file and tell
me how ytou split it and I will do the same.

# I consulted the manual under "segmented memos" and it still
# reads, "...you will realize that the files have been split up without
# taking into consideration logical pauses in the text such as
# paragraphs, new lines. or spaces."

BUG...

Hi Jerry,

>Henk, please see if some minor changes I've made make it easier to run in
>Linux.

Will do tomorrow (02-02), okay?

Kind regards
Henk

--- In peditors@y..., Paul Nevai <nevai@m...> wrote:
>
> Nope. I bet you didn't check carefully.
>
> 1. Is there a paragraph break within 100 chars? If yes, go there.
>
> 2. If not, then is there a new line within 100 chars? If yes, go
there.
>
> 3. Same with space.
>
> 4. If neither then split right now.
>
> Do you think this is not how it works? Please e-mail me a DOC file
and tell
> me how ytou split it and I will do the same.

Yep, I haven't checked carefully :) I just downloaded it about 25
mins. ago, so it was a cursory look. I knew that you were using some
kind of hierarchy to decide where to split, and now I know what that
is, which will definitely help in figuring out if it is working
properly (WOW, now THAT is a long sentence!). I will keep you posted!

Best Regards,

Tamim

I am sorry to see you remove the ability to bring the date and voltage
display up in editpad or magipad. I use this quite a lot because I use
magipad to make job notes as I go along during the day. I can then bring up
magipad anywhere and paste the note where I need it. Being able to easily
put the date in was very nice and quick. I tried and I could not bring more
than one date and voltage display up at a time. I have never had a crash
doing this. Please reconsider allowing this. I will continue to use LTH2.75b
because it has this functionality until a new must have feature is put into
LTH.

Dirk [:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nevai <nevai@...>
To: peditors@yahoogroups.com <peditors@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [peditors] Re: new LTH and pedit


># Appears to have solved the problem.  One minor change I notice is
># that I can no longer bring up the date and voltage display from
># within editpad, but *I'm not complaining!* because I now have more
># than 60 seconds to use editpad.  :)  Thanks!
>
>Right. It was a bug that I used to allow it. I fixed it. Had I kept that
>"feature", it would have allowed recursive invocations of various forms
which
>is fun to do but will lead to a crash. E.g., 25 calendars on top of each
>other, each set to a different month. Isn't that fun? AMB=Paul
>
>
>
>Check the beginners' pedit pTutorial site at http://seigel.yi.org/
>To unsubscribe from this group, write to
peditors-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>

I've been having trouble with adjusting the contrast on my Visor
(tapping the bottom left corner of the Graffiti area) with LTH
installed: it brings up the Calendar screen. Is there a workround?

Thanks,

Nick

In a message dated 2/1/01 1:33:05 PM Central Standard Time, amoroso@...
writes:

> If anybody is willing to share files with localized messages for peditDesk,
>  just send them to me (or Jerry?) and I will upload them to the Files
>  section of the forum.
>

Yes, that's the idea.
Jerry

Hi all!

Once more (after initially having been scared off by its steep
learning curve) I've ventured into the realm of pedit and did some
preliminary reading (manual, suggested reviews and tutorials, this
group) where I came across the term peditHack on several occasions.

Since I downloaded both pedit Pro and LaptopHack for evaluation and
neither directly referenced to peditHack (at least not as far as I
looked) I'm left wondering: what is peditHack?

Anyone? P-p-please?

Roy.

> Dear peditors, LapTopHackers, and peditHackers:

As of two days ago, I am an evaluating peditor and LopTopHacker. I
just couldn't figure out yet what it takes to also become a
peditHacker. In other words: what is peditHack? Did I miss something
in the distribution archives?

Roy.

Hi Nick, try tapping just a little to the right of the silkscreen contrast
tap point, between it and the menu silk screen. That is where the sweet spot
is on my Visor DX with LTH activated. Dirk [:o)

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Sweeney <nick@...>
To: peditors@yahoogroups.com <peditors@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: [peditors] LTH and Visor contrast?


>I've been having trouble with adjusting the contrast on my Visor
>(tapping the bottom left corner of the Graffiti area) with LTH
>installed: it brings up the Calendar screen. Is there a workround?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nick
>
>
>
>Check the beginners' pedit pTutorial site at http://seigel.yi.org/
>To unsubscribe from this group, write to
peditors-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>

# Once more (after initially having been scared off by its steep
# learning curve) I've ventured into the realm of pedit and did some
# preliminary reading (manual, suggested reviews and tutorials, this
# group) where I came across the term peditHack on several occasions.
#
# Since I downloaded both pedit Pro and LaptopHack for evaluation and
# neither directly referenced to peditHack (at least not as far as I
# looked) I'm left wondering: what is peditHack?

Go to the "ESC Form" and you see them there: pedithack, editPad, and magiPad.
Best regards, Paul

# I've been having trouble with adjusting the contrast on my Visor
# (tapping the bottom left corner of the Graffiti area) with LTH
# installed: it brings up the Calendar screen. Is there a workround?

Can be done but I am not a Visor guy. I am sure Jennifer will explain.
Best regards, Paul

P.S. LTH kidnaps only the 1st 2 colums of pixels.

# I am sorry to see you remove the ability to bring the date and voltage
# display up in editpad or magipad. I use this quite a lot because I use
# magipad to make job notes as I go along during the day. I can then bring up
# magipad anywhere and paste the note where I need it. Being able to easily
# put the date in was very nice and quick. I tried and I could not bring more
# than one date and voltage display up at a time. I have never had a crash
# doing this. Please reconsider allowing this. I will continue to use LTH2.75b
# because it has this functionality until a new must have feature is put into
# LTH.

Dirk:

I really can't do that. The problem with recursion is real. Ask Monika.  It
is a bad [sloppy] practice to allow it. Best regards, Paul