Jerry Michalski http://www.sociate.com and I chatted about TheBrain
http://www.thebrain.com Jerry has 50,000 thoughts in his Brain which
reflect his understanding of how technology, business and society
interact. Since 1997 he's added more than one thought per hour!

Not only does he have the world's largest Brain, but he's happy to share
it. He's also concerned that TheBrain Technologies prosper from an open
strategy. His general wish is that "useful ideas benefit everyone".
http://www.sociate.com/About_Jerry_Michalski/Point_of_View/point_of_view.shtml

I'm excited that Jerry's Brain can serve as a core for rallying Brain
fans at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/personalbrain/ to build technology
around his content. His needs include:
A) Brain file online for anyone to browse
B) enhanced conference call, with him able to "tour" the Brain for
others
C) Brain performance piece, with some people local and others remote,
all following and influencing the path of the piece
D) Derivative information flowing out, maybe as RSS feeds, that
offers info on what's been updated lately :: Clickable to take you to
that thought immediately
E) A simple Palm front end so he can access and even edit his brain
from anywhere, using a Palm :: over WiFi or phone networks

And I'll add that I'd like to try to use TheBrain and it's data
structure for organizing the info for my lab, Minciu Sodas,
http://www.ms.lt, and the Open People network and related groups such as
MindEcos, OneVillage.

Our chat below is in the Public Domain
and we invite all to attend our next chat in the Public Domain at
http://webirc.espnow.net
Friday April 9 9 AM Pacific Standard Time
(check www.time.gov and watch out for Daylight Savings effects)

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 5264 5950
Vilnius, Lithuania

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Andrius: Hi

Jerry: hi, andrius

Andrius: I'm interested to chat about :: A) how you'd like to see
support for your own Brain :: B) what TheBrain community might do to
help TheBrain :: C) anything else on your mind?

Jerry: D: how TheBrain might make a living using some kind of open
source strategy

Andrius: also maybe... E: how a working openly strategy might work for you?

Jerry: yes, although that could take two days to chat through :)

Andrius: Let's try to chat in a way that we can :: share this with
others :: We'll edit out as necessary.

Jerry: perfect. you lead, i'll follow

Andrius: What order should we do ABCDE?

Jerry: maybe A D B?

Andrius: Great. :: Let's start with A.

Jerry: fire away

Andrius: And we can talk over each other, I think that's OK.

Jerry: or shall i just jump in?

Andrius: Yes

Jerry: ok.

Andrius: What would you like to do with your Brain?

Jerry: First, I would like to make my Brain available online for others

Andrius: Great!

Jerry: openly and freely :: There have been two major periods when I
had this, first on the ThinkTank, using the Brain's native publish
capability

Andrius: And I'll add that there are people :: who are excited to help
you. :: I think Bjoern Schliebitz in particular.

Jerry: but TheBrain folks had to take those servers down. (really
nice to hear about people enthusiastic to help) :: excellent!

Andrius: He's the maker of FlashBrain. :: Along with Ton Haarnmas :: I
think content is key for driving progress here. :: And you have buckets
of content

Jerry: so then I was offline for quite a while, and Harlan then
offered to put a version of the Enterprise Brain online, filled with my
data (a conversion process that apparently took several hours)

Andrius: I remember

Jerry: For a couple of months, this worked, and I was happy again
sharing my Brain. And this way nobody had to install TheBrain; it was
just Java :: But then Harlan tried to upgrade the server software, hit
some snag that took me off the air, and has been unable to devote time
to fix it since then :: So, unhappily, i'm off the air again.

Andrius: But that was a good solution, yes?

Jerry: And it's funny: i'm a terrible blooger

Andrius: Yeah, it's amazing how hugh your Brain is :: and how quickly
you grow it. :: What would be optimal now?

Jerry: sorry, just took a call I should've ignored; i'm back :: I even
coined (and blogged) the term "blogmute" to describe my blogging habits
:: but I'm a constant Brain gardener :: Since 1997, a month before it
was out officially, I've been using TheBrain all the time :: I now have
52,315 thoughts and haven't gotten bored or it, or found parts of it
hopelessly messed up :: it's pretty surprising, really

Andrius: That is very cool.

Jerry: So Optimal is an interesting question, because an optimal
setting might be much more than the way I could publish before

Andrius: It's exciting that you'll put it on the web again.

Jerry: For example, the way my Brain was available, nobody could add
thoughts (which is fine with me, because I want my particular brain to
be my point ov view), but nobody could use parts of my Brain for
themselves.

Andrius: How would you like them to be able to use it?

Jerry: They couldn't copy a piece they liked, or subscribe to some set
of thoughts :: all of which I would love

Andrius: I think it would be good if each thought could have a URL ::
So that people could link to it :: and could reference it :: in the ways
you're talking about.

Jerry: And I'd love to see how other people's brains intersect with
mine: what different names have we given the same URLs, and what
different places have we pointed the same thoughts? :: if TheBrain were
more open, there might be second-order analytics available sort of like
Technorati and Daypop

Andrius: Much of your brain is URL based, yes?

Jerry: Yes. :: And I've loooong asked Harlan for permalinks to thoughts

Andrius: Are the thoughtIDs stable, do you know?

Jerry: Rather than point someone to your Brain file, as we could do in
the ThinkTank days, we should be able to point to individual thoughts
within the Brains.

Andrius: Yes!

Jerry: So I envision typing some essay online, along with small bugs
(little icons) next to words and phrases.

Andrius: If the thoughtIDs are stable, that shouldn't be a problem.

Jerry: when you click on the bug, it takes you to that term in context
in my brain :: neat, no?

Andrius: Yes!

Jerry: so it turns out that when you munge my PersonalBrain data to
create the Enterprise Brain, it generates all new thought numbers each time

Andrius: But your PersonalBrain data thoughtIDs stay the same, yes? ::
I think they do !?

Jerry: but there should be a simple syntax like:
jerrysbrain?Minciu_sodas :: or something like that, no?

Andrius: You don't use the same name twice?

Jerry: yes, because nothing has changed the PB thoughts :: they're
being converted out

Andrius: that would be very nice and make sense

Jerry: but I think the IDs might be unnecessary. why not use the
thought names themselves?

Andrius: Yes

Jerry: I try to avoid duplicates

Andrius: This is an aside, but

Jerry: and we could disambiguate the dupes pretty easily

Andrius: I don't know why we can't have our browsers :: use a #whatever
anchor to a URL :: to mean search for the word or phrase :: and go there.

Jerry: to create their own internal anchors, right?

Andrius: Yeah, by search.

Jerry: yes, I've wondered this myself

Andrius: OK, that's good to know.

Jerry: just specify a unique character string, and voila

Andrius: Exactly!

Jerry: suggest this to the Mozilla/Firefox folks

Andrius: Good idea.

Jerry: or have MS write a search plugin for Firefox

Andrius: Optimal I suppose means that we use TheBrain interface?

Jerry: that would actually work great, because you could use the
built-in search function

Andrius: So for that we need to get an OK from TheBrain.

Jerry: Back to Optimal :: well, not necessarily

Andrius: "Conceptual" is a lot easier.

Jerry: I've long believed that TheBrain is one nifty way to see
information, but that it doesn't suit everyone. :: We have different
cognitive styles :: and some people need a flatter view.

Andrius: OK, that's good to hear. :: And there's my idea that it helps
for us to switch every so often.

Jerry: I always liked Stephen Danic's Memes.net (Lucid Fried Eggs) as
a flatland view of the Brain, for example

Andrius: At least I find that helpful. :: OK, that would be nice to
revive. :: He's disappeared, I can't contact him by email or phone.

Jerry: The key is that all the data needs to mingle behind the scenes,
so that no matter what tool I used to enter it (TheBrain, a browser,
etc) it is uniformly viewable

Andrius: Yes.

Jerry: Let's put out an APB for Danic

Andrius: APB ? :: All points bulletin?

Jerry: exactly :)

Andrius: Roger!

Jerry: :)

Andrius: OK, so a URL per thought :: Now do you use notes a lot, :: or
is that not so important?

Jerry: or an easy-to-remember nomanclature, like sending someone a
Google query

Andrius: And how long are there? :: Yeah, that's true.

Jerry: I use notes seldom :: I try really hard to keep my brain skinny
:: just URLs or local paths, plus links between thoughts

Andrius: But you'd like a Wiki for appending notes? :: Optimally?

Jerry: I use careful naming as editorial content a lot

Andrius: How would you like people to interact?

Jerry: Aha, the wiki angle :: So, I've become a huge wiki fan :: And
would like my everyday word processor to be a wiki :: Not that I like
editing everything in a teensy text box, I hate that, but I love the
intertwingularity of wikis :: it's how I think :: and it's extremely
brain-like :: so I've been puzzling about the intersection of both tools
:: which raises a different, interesting, related question about boundaries

Andrius: Yes, that shouldn't be hard. :: You know, I think

Jerry: I love that my particular Brain has in it only thoughts that I
have intentionally put there :: it speeds my search :: and makes
everything make sense for me

Andrius: that if we have one Wiki page per thought

Jerry: I don't know how I would cope in a group brain

Andrius: then there might be child, parent, jump Wiki words in there ::
Let's step back :: what kind of interaction Would you like?

Jerry: i'm writing several wikis now where I end up having a
schizophrenic episode: part of me wants the stuff I authored to stay
intact :: and part of me wants the deep collaboration of a wiki

Andrius: I think it's fair that you :: keep control as editor

Jerry: and the norms of wiki authoring don't seem to work well there

Andrius: of what you've written so that it's intact.

Jerry: yeah, but I'm not quite sure how to do it'

Andrius: Me, I'd like to see wikis :: where there can be editors for
particular pages :: so it's clear who's in charge of them.

Jerry: then there's a question many companies using wikis ought to be
facing (at least I hope they are)

Andrius: Whether or not they allow edits or just appends. :: Yes :: Yes?

Jerry: which is what should we put outside, in the open, and what must
we protect and keep private?

Andrius: Yes!

Jerry: I would hope that they would *always* bias in favor of openness

Andrius: So it's very cool that you're working openly with your Brain.

Jerry: but I unserstand they have private stuff to do and talk about

Andrius: Because I think you can be a core for such exemplary behavior.

Jerry: so how to wikis and Brains help define these boundaries?

Andrius: An example that other's can connect with. :: Let's go back! ::
What kinds of interaction would you like? :: You!

Jerry: For example, there is some private stuff in my Brain, but the
Brain lets me mark those thoughts as private and doesn't publish them ::
that's perfect

Andrius: Yes.

Jerry: More ideas :: I would like a blogroll-like window on my site
that holds the last thoughts I added or updated

Andrius: Yes, sounds good.

Jerry: because I'm maintaining my Brain so often

Andrius: You said you'd like to do tours of your Brain.

Jerry: I would *love* to be able to use my Brain during conference
calls, like IRC

Andrius: That's a great goal.

Jerry: yes, to do tours, or just to show people all the stuff in some
part of my Brain, because they should follow all those links :: I get
this all the time

Andrius: And it could be hooked into IRC

Jerry: I'm on a call and something comes up

Andrius: so that it knows, for example,

Jerry: and I'm looking at the 40 thoughts in my Brain that I would
like to show them

Andrius: that B?movie :: is for the thought "movie"

Jerry: but I can't copy and paste more than a half dozen w/o getting
tired of it

Andrius: So how would you do it?

Jerry: you mean invoke it from IRC with a macro? :: possible

Andrius: I guess it would make sense to have :: IRC and TheBrain (and
the browser) on the same screen :: That actually would be cool because
:: even having a browser and chat at the same time is problematic :: at
least with Yahoo chat.

Jerry: and a phone call

Andrius: Yes

Jerry: why didn't Skype add multi-party chat when they did multiparty
calls? :: it would be so perfect :: and I have to say I have continual
trouble with IRC clients :: can't seem to find one simple enough to work
well for me :: I'm using Trillian now, and it's not that clever about IRC

Andrius: So one major goal is being able to

Jerry: even after several software revs, they can't get it down

Andrius: use TheBrain for conference calls, walking people through it
on the web.

Jerry: exactly :: or for shows

Andrius: Another goal though, is to have your Brain up there all the
time, :: and I suppose we'd want people to be able to interact with you
somehow.

Jerry: imagine a Brain performance piece, with an outbound audiocast,
brain "projection" and some back channel for interaction :: yes :: many
different settings :: A) Brain file online for anyone to browse :: B)
enhanced conference call, with me able to "tour" the Brain for others ::
C) Brain performance piece, with some people local and others remote,
all following and influencing the path of the piece :: (I've wanted to
do that one for a long time)

Andrius: cool

Jerry: D) Derivative information flowing out, maybe as RSS feeds, that
offers info on what's been updated lately :: Clickable to take you to
that thought immediately

Andrius: What is the interaction that you foresee in A) ? (but keep
going, please)

Jerry: E) A simple Palm front end so I can access and even edit my
brain from anywhere, using a Palm :: over WiFi or phone networks

Andrius: That's a great list.

Jerry: What have you envisioned?

Andrius: Sometimes I use my Brain more for storing notes. :: Mine is
kind of puny, about 2,000 thoughts.

Jerry: don't feel bad :)

Andrius: I use it for my notes on life.

Jerry: ionteresting

Andrius: Now I've worked out more a definition style

Jerry: I wish the notes field could be synced to a Web page, too

Andrius: I do Question thoughts :: and Answer thoughts

Jerry: that's probably easier than I think :: Big Questions?

Andrius: And you can imagine :: Yeah. :: Like What is Understandign? ::
Understanding is the Activity of God. :: What is Activity?

Jerry: Yep\

Andrius: Activity is relationship with oneself. :: Etc.Etc. :: And I
color the Answer thoughts, and the Question thougths :: It works nice
actually. :: But still, the Notes part is important.

Jerry: you remind me, I have yet to use a thought type :: haven't used
them once

Andrius: I didn't either for a long time.

Jerry: I type by naming the parent :: then I have one ueber-thought,
named "types"

Andrius: So I'm curious, how would you manage your groups?

Jerry: which is really cool to wander though

Andrius: Like if I wanted to track your books?

Jerry: what groups?

Andrius: I suppose that means I track children of your "books" thought?

Jerry: well, books link up to authors

Andrius: For RSS feeds, etc.

Jerry: most have an Amazon link :: you could look for athat :: hm

Andrius: You mentioned that people would be interested in particular
parts of your Brain. :: And might want feeds.

Jerry: I guess you're right. That would be an easy category to set up

Andrius: We could have a little macro language :: that would be used to
define the feeds :: on your end, and then people don't have to worry
about that. :: ALthough your Brain is so big

Jerry: interesting

Andrius: there's got to be an automated way :: to do this.

Jerry: i depend a lot on human readers to see the context and make
sense of it

Andrius: I suppose if you subscribe to a thought

Jerry: not so easy for automated systems

Andrius: you're really subscribing to the actions :: that relate to a
thought :: like add a child :: or jump

Jerry: good idea, Andrius

Andrius: or parent.

Jerry: yep :: I'd also like TheBrain to be smarter about contact info
:: I use Outlook for contacts adn don

Andrius: What kind of feedback would you like from some stranger out
there? :: Who is surfing your Brain?

Jerry: don't want that info exposed to the public, but I would like
TheBrain to be savvy about e-mail addresses like it is about URLs

Andrius: Or how would you like it to energize a community?

Jerry: I've gotten wonderful messages in the past, mostly about sites
or people they didn't find in my brain that I might want to know about

Andrius: So people should be able to likewise add

Jerry: i'd like to take that conversation a huge leap forward, so the
Brain is more of a platform for conversations and collaboration

Andrius: thoughts?

Jerry: not to my brain directly, but from outside, just like the
internal anchor tags you described above

Andrius: Just thinking, but I think it would be nice if your Brain

Jerry: so virtual additions/annotations

Andrius: could be used as a meeting place

Jerry: indeeed

Andrius: so that people say, let's meet at Jerry's Brain :: in the
"books" thought :: and we'll go from there. :: Imagine if each thought
in your Brain

Jerry: So this is why I've been trying to help Harlan think through an
open strategy

Andrius: has a channel for chat. :: And people could move from room to
room.

Jerry: That kind of app might be a result

Andrius: They can move to a less crowded thought :: if there are too
many people there already. :: And they can meet strangers :: You know
this is like Open Space :: where people meet around an idea.

Jerry: I don't envision each thought with a persistent chat channel ,
but rather the ability to take a chat and do a synchronized tour to
whatever thoughts you want. maybe I'm limiting my imagination

Andrius: And then they can leave a chat trail at each thought.

Jerry: nice idea about Open Space

Andrius: And there can be a Wiki page for that thought

Jerry: yep

Andrius: and the Wiki page can draw from the chat trail. :: That would
be pretty awesome. :: To have 50,000 chat channels. :: And that's 50,000
conversations. :: And Then you can move your conversation :: from one
room to another :: and keep track of that somehow :: so that you're
meeting people strangers :: as you go from room to room. :: And you're
in Jerry's world. :: And it's probably not hard to set up.

Jerry: too many conversations!

Andrius: Hey, wait a minute!

Jerry: how about a middle point

Andrius: It means that you can always find a quiet place.

Jerry: where there are multiple, roving conversations :: you can see
them all, like the channels on an IRC server :: and join any one you like

Andrius: Well, I think if there is a room per thought :: then you can
move from room to room

Jerry: there could even be many on one thought, but they don't bump
into each other :: unless they want to

Andrius: and there can be an archive that goes with your movement. ::
That way strangers can participate.

Jerry: no, moving from room to room is difficult

Andrius: I thought that was the point?

Jerry: having the room move from thought to thought seems easier :: is
that just a semantic difference?

Andrius: It's all the difference! :: But yes. :: You see I'm thinking
of our lab's needs :: and I'm working with Bala Pillai's community

Jerry: one of my favorite children's books is Erich Kaestner's The
Flying Classroom

Andrius: and One Village we all have a need

Jerry: that's what I'm picturing: the room travels, with the same
people in it

Andrius: for this kind of collaborative world like you're saying :: And
I'm wondering if TheBrain could be useful for that. :: We need places
for people's skills

Jerry: it would be a good background, just as any Website would be, no?

Andrius: and for online hotspots, etc. :: All kinds of info.

Jerry: I mean, you could spend years on Denham's KM wiki :: or Gurteen
:: or so on...

Andrius: Well, my thinking is that :: there's a need for "Meeting
places" :: which anybody can find.

Jerry: hm

Andrius: So your Brain could serve that purpose :: As could other Brains.

Jerry: yep

Andrius: And so we get an Open Space effect. :: And we get these
"working openly" conversations :: where you show up at a public chat
room with your colleages :: in a "virtual flash mob" :: and then perhaps
there is a leader :: who moves you from one thought to another :: and in
each room you meet strangers :: who happen to be there. :: Because they
were talking about that topic. :: So it's not just a "small group"
effect :: but we're connecting with the whole world.

Jerry: see, i think the group has to be more stable :: you and i have
inverse visions of this :: i think it's really hard to move a group

Andrius: Yeah, that's fine. :: This helps me, certainly.

Jerry: and really hard to constantly bump into new folks and tell them
what you're upto

Andrius: For what I'd like to see for our lab.

Jerry: which is what your model does, no?

Andrius: Kind of :: Except that they came for that particular topic.

Jerry: but i like the serendipity of your model

Andrius: Also, they know the same topology

Jerry: how do you mean?

Andrius: Well, the rooms are organized by your Brain :: So if they are
in the "books" thought :: then they know why they're there! :: And they
know that you like Walden or whatever :: and if they can move there if
they like.

Jerry: yes, there might be selected "platforms" or "stations" in the
Brain for just that :: i see what you want

Andrius: So people are always on topic. :: You're providing conceptual
infrastructure. :: So if I want to meet a venture capitalist :: I can go
to your "venture capitalist" room :: and then go to related thoughts ::
and who knows maybe somebody is hanging out.

Jerry: they prolly wouldn't hang out there :)

Andrius: Well :: that shows my thinking!

Jerry: more luck at social entrepreneurship, probably :)

Andrius: ;)

Jerry: those VCs, they like to play hard to get

Andrius: Also, this would be very cool :: in merging and interlinking
Brains :: they could share a room. :: for the same thought :: if they
like. :: Back to your vision!

Jerry: then the rooms might as well live out there, independently, and
just have a list of Brains that share that thought name :: that might work

Andrius: Exactly

Jerry: I've long thoujght that every TV channel should have an IRC channel

Andrius: But you have the Father of all Brains :: Exactly!

Jerry: so that people can get online and talk about the show :: same
general concept

Andrius: You could have the core Brain :: that jumpstarts the whole thing.

Jerry: I'd love to :: and I'd love to link to other folks' brains

Andrius: It should be based on word :: like you say :: So this gets
into Topic Map land. :: Hmm.

Jerry: well, the Brain is always in Topic Map land

Andrius: Indeed.

Jerry: and I'm not too up on standards and efforts in open topic map
land :: i'd love to know more

Andrius: So chat seems :: more important than the Wiki almost here. ::
I think Wiki would be good :: for summarizing chat :: like an FAQ for
that channel. :: And a "note" in your Brain. :: You know, I don't
understand :: why TheBrain doesn't have internal links :: from notes to
thoughts.

Jerry: like what?

Andrius: Like I should be able to hyperlink :: a phrase and jump to a
thought :: inside my Brain.

Jerry: if a note were also a Web page, you could choose to publish it
(anywhere on the Web) or not

Andrius: Yeah, they should dump this RTF stuff

Jerry: and if there were direct URLs to thoughts, you could do exactly
that :: does that work?

Andrius: and have the pages be web pages :: and let you have internal
and external links. :: The internal link would take you to that thought
:: whatever it is.

Jerry: or if we used WikiNames for thought names, we could write in
wiki shorthand (or with [brackets]) and get the same efffect.

Andrius: So if I have the phrase "great guy"

Jerry: that gets to the wiki/brain hybrid idea

Andrius: and it's underlined, and the reference is to Jerry Michalski

Jerry: heh :: better than being the link to WMD :)

Andrius: then my Brain moves to the thought "Jerry Michalski" :: Am I
making sense? :: And it should also be able to handle web pages, too. ::
Yes for the WikiNames. :: Exactly. :: I guess that's the same thing.

Jerry: I think so'; am I? does my suggestion implement your idea?

Andrius: Yeah, then it's a hybrid. I'm catching up! :: Yes. :: Converged!

Jerry: (Notes = Web pages, permalinks to thoughts, wikinames) :: perfecto

Andrius: Another angle I have :: is pumping a discussion group :: into
a Brain :: there have got to be nice ways to do that.

Jerry: Then you can publish any arbitrary Notes to any arbitrary Web place

Andrius: Exactly.

Jerry: hm; how?

Andrius: And it would be all ready to go.

Jerry: a BBS?

Andrius: Well, each letter is a page in an archive. :: So each letter
is a thought. :: And it can be linked to the author :: the date :: the
subject :: That could all be done automatically. :: For an archive with
4,000 thoughts, etc. :: That should be a quick way to seed a Brain.

Jerry: i'm leery of seeding brains quickly or automatically :: i find
they get messy and therefore useless pretty quickly

Andrius: Ok, Mr.PerfectBrain! :: Maybe you're right.

Jerry: better to take some thought authoring and building context, no?
:: well, it's how my 52K thoughts all still make sense :)

Andrius: You know, that does probably point to the :: whole role for
TheBrain. :: It's the infrastructure for organizng

Jerry: I've never spidered a Website with my Brain, nor have I
included my local drive directory

Andrius: all of the chats, wiki pages, etc.

Jerry: I think of TheBrain asP hotoshop for concepts :: it's an
expressive tool

Andrius: That's why we're huymans and not computers.

Jerry: that suits my way of thinking perfectly

Andrius: Definitely, though, it's a way for structuring streams of
info. :: Each thought is a stream. :: Whether it's a website, concept,
chat :: it's alive. :: and worth coming back to.

Jerry: i like the intersection you're defining of thoughts and streams

Andrius: So we kind of have a vision. :: And some concrete needs you
laid out.

Jerry: in some sense, if you can subscribe to changes to any thought,
that's a form of a stream

Andrius: Yes.

Jerry: and a conversation around a thought can be a stream

Andrius: It'll work naturally. :: And we can rally people around this
vision :: and I can also use it at our lab.

Jerry: you might even be notified whenever a "tour" stops at a thought
you care about

Andrius: Cool.

Jerry: and you could listen in, if the conversation was being held openly

Andrius: Next, if you have time, would be :: to think about TheBrain
Technologies :: what might they do with this :: especially in an open
source way? :: Or how much do they matter here directly? :: What role
might they best play?

Jerry: well, i don't know what kind of resources they have, and I have
sympathy for the fact that they've been nurturing a particular biz model
for all this time

Andrius: Really, they're only needed for :: the GUI because they ::
have patents and rights to that :: and it's a legitimate invention. ::
And if that's not important for the web side :: we could just pursue
this independently. :: Then if we can get interest :: they might be able
to put out a Brain 4.0 :: that does the HTML etc. kind of stuff. :: But
that can be later.

Jerry: My greatest wish is to present them with a new business model
that is open but has revenue streams for them, and that they jump in and
adapt their tools to the kinds of stuff we've been typing here

Andrius: It seems that there is need only for you and maybe a few ::
other Brain masters :: to organize the thoughts :: and most of the
activity for people :: takes place :: online. :: Yeah, then if this
works :: they can jump on it. :: If we do it, they don't have to

Jerry: and I'm curious how we can publish my Brain

Andrius: invest.

Jerry: i don't have an intuitive feel for how FlashBrain and other
products work

Andrius: That's a technical matter we can solve. :: For your Brain we
need to know :: what the recent changes were :: and just deal with
those. :: And we can even maybe automate the updating

Jerry: hm

Andrius: on an hourly basis etc. :: or even more often :: if you have a
Scheduler :: which you do on :: your Windows machine.

Jerry: maybe just a spinal tap into my limbic system?

Andrius: That would tickle. :: ;)

Jerry: aye

Andrius: I think people are :: interested to get your Brain out there
:: and so we'd get technical help with that. :: And then we could use
your Brain :: as a reference point :: for thoguths. :: And I'll try to
think through :: organizing Minciu Sodas and friends :: around one or
more Brains.

Jerry: shall we schedule another chat, with the slightly larger group?

Andrius: And then we can merge :: thoughts. :: Yeah! :: Why don't we do
it in a week or so :: at the Espian chat room :: for United Diversity

Jerry: ok, wherever that is :: :)

Andrius: They have chat archive

Jerry: sounds like a night club

Andrius: and a nice connection between chat and wiki.

Jerry: URL? :: sweet

Andrius: Oh yes, and the night club.

Jerry: mirror ball?

Andrius: http://webirc.espnow.net/ :: No, I was just kidding!

Jerry: shucks

Andrius: The chat room doesn't work :: with Netscape Navigator :: but
it does with IE :: and probably some other browsers.

Jerry: bummer. i'm using Firefox. :: i'll bring up IE

Andrius: Try it out :: with FireFox :: maybe it does :: I have Netscape
6. :: It's a Public Domain chat

Jerry: came up pretty fine

Andrius: Hey Jerry - can this chat be Public Domain that we've had?

Jerry: Yes

Andrius: I'll parse it, and share it :: Do you have a time free :: for
the next chat? :: And an agenda?

Jerry: Espi chat working fine in Firefox

Andrius: Great!

Jerry: I think we should get practical and see how to get my Brain
back online, if I can be so self-centered

Andrius: Center us, please!

Jerry: but I think that's an excellent first step for the other stuff

Andrius: Let's talk to Bjoern. :: One more idea. :: What about using
TheBrain as a GUI :: for the NetBSD operating system? :: Any remote
chance that could happen? :: There's a couple of odd advantages.

Jerry: i'm interested in it as a GUI, and I see it front-ending OSes,
but that's a longer conversation

Andrius: [Disclaimer: we're sponsored by Floyd who's promoting NetBSD]
:: but the GUI could remain proprietary :: because of the way that the
NetBSD license works.

Jerry: yes, i saw your interview w him

Andrius: Great!

Jerry: interesting :: let's talk about that later

Andrius: Good. :: Do we schedule now maybe :: your next chat? :: if
possible.

Jerry: yes. i have some travel coming up :: how about Friday April 9
at the same time :: 9am PST

Andrius: Perfect, :: that gives us a good week, :: and meanwhile we can
correspond. :: About your personal Brain. :: I hope you're well. :: I'm
doing OK.

Jerry: thanks, andrius :: I really appreciate this chat

Andrius: It's great fun!

Jerry: and your approach to working openly

Andrius: Thanx! :: Peace.

Jerry: maybe it'll draw me out of my shell :) :: Peace back!