Hey all,
Just was looking at some old photos and the one that gets me is this one-

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinebushufo/photos/album/85693344/pic/722500882/vi\
ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

This photo is in the ufo gallery on this site.. I just can't wrap my head around
what this is... it looks like a bended craft with an orage beam coming down or
up from it? The photo was taken by the cemetery on Route 52 and was taken with
1600asa Fuji film ...as some of us know it as "old school film". NOT
digital...ahh things were so different back then!

Take a look and would love to hear some thoughts!
Any Ideas?
Vinny

Jim,

Thanks for the details on Ellen Crystall's deal; just out of curiosity, how did
you learn of this? Also, if you don't mind, and barring any protection of an
original idea, could you elaborate more on the project you pitched?  I'm sure
the list would be interested in hearing your concept.

Too bad about Spielberg.  I remember hearing about Tracy Torme and Jacques
Vallee trying to do a treatment of one of Vallee's novels like Fastwalker. 
That's probably the closest we'll ever get to a UFO movie on the level of CE3K. 
But that's asking alot; speak to some film critics, CE3K is not only the best
UFO movie, its one of the best motion pictures ever. And I agree. Little did I
know at the time just how dead-on it was representing the UFO experience
(thanks, Dr. Hynek!).

Hollywood seems to certainly know how to butcher any metaphysical topic in
fictional form these days; is it any wonder the best ghost movie since
Poltergeist was an indie film?

Although I like the movie, can you imagine a mind like Spielberg treating
Strieber's original Communion?  Could have been devastating.

CB

--- In pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com, Jim OConnell <alienjwo@...> wrote:
>
> Ellen Crystal had an "option deal" with a producer which allows a producer or
production company a contractual period of time to shop the project for
financing, distribution, etc...
> Option deals provide a one time payment in exchange for taking the material
off the market.  Many option deals are made for little or no money...some are
considered "free options" just to explore opportunities.
> I've been offered many of these option deals and many never produce a thing,
unless the deal is with "A list" producers.
> As for Speilberg producing another alien project, I would say no, unless he
changes his mind.  I pitched an alien reality project during a meeting at
DreamWorks and was told that "TAKEN" would be the last.  The company
entertained the idea of my project because it was for television. 
Unfortunately, my partner ruined the deal.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Roderick Molasar <roderickmolasar@...>
> To: pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 6:31:02 PM
> Subject: [pinebushufo] A Hoax? I'm shocked !
>
>  
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, squeebop <Remotevisn@aol. com> wrote:
>
>
> >From: squeebop <Remotevisn@aol. com>
> >Subject: [pinebushufo] The Fourth Kind: the details and spoilers (warning!)
> >To: pinebushufo@ yahoogroups. com
> >Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 5:24 PM
> >
> >
> > 
> >List,
> >
> >Here's a good summary, but warning: does contain spoilers.
> >
> >http://io9.com/5397359/the-fourth-kind-is-a-hoax
> >
> >CB
> >
> >
>

Thanks for sharing that with the list.

CB

--- In pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com, "fantomaslord" <fantomaslord@...> wrote:
>
>
> I was certainly expecting something decent out of this movie but the comments
are negative about it, it is dissapointing and also add discredit to whole
subject of the alien abduction,
>
> So to not keep you dissapointed I will tell you a story a real one in which I
was part of
>
> I needed to know certain details about my behaviour from the time I was
growing up so I asked my mother after a little while she mentioned that one
night I really scared her just for a change because for a long time around my
four to 6 years of age once in a while I would sleep in my parents room in the
other bed, so as per mom's account in the middel of the night she saw me sited
at the border of the bed as if in a trance just looking at the distance at the
window to the outside of the patio , we had several trees around the property,
then she asked me what was wrong and I said "The light !the light is approaching
!!
> -what light? what are you talking about son?,are you awake?
> She said that my eyes were closed all of the time
> -They are coming ,they are approaching
> -Who ? wake up I won't let nobody do anything to you
> -them , they are inside the light !! it's approaching !! it's closer!
> Don't let them take me!!
> Immediately after that I ran towards her who didn't have a chance to say
>  more and calm me down, at that moment I just woke up remembering nothing, but
i was in her arms......
>
> I didn't remember any of this and she wouldn't even mentioned if it wasn't for
my efforts researching about this subject, just to show you how easily details
and stories can be forgotten, it took me years to get ride of the recurrent
nightmare were I saw small creatures and had paralisis which didn't let me
scream despite my terror......
>
>
> Those of you whom have been through something of the likes will know I'm
sincere, others will thing it was just tv induced stuff ....but it was the
sixties somewhere in mexico were we didn't have access to that type of
"folklore" , then again it never stops, something follows you all of the time ,
like this keen ability of "knowing" were to "find them" or "where to look"
.......It is up to you to decide.
>
> One thing I know is that for some reason I don't fear them no more,my feeling
is more of sadness or something  last time "they " meased around with me was
about 5 years ago, we lost 3 hrs coming from our trip coming back from Canada
into the states.....again I'm due for hypnotic regression.
>
> Please don't call me "abductee"
>
> I like the lyrics in this song fit perfectly the subject enjoy
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSLvcJ4I1mw
>
> good luck to all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com, UFOVIKII@ wrote:
> >
> > _THE FOURTH KIND - In  Theaters November 6 - Official Site - ABDUCTION_
> > (http://www.thefourthkind.net/#/ABDUCTION)
> >
>

I was certainly expecting something decent out of this movie but the comments
are negative about it, it is dissapointing and also add discredit to whole
subject of the alien abduction,

So to not keep you dissapointed I will tell you a story a real one in which I
was part of

I needed to know certain details about my behaviour from the time I was growing
up so I asked my mother after a little while she mentioned that one night I
really scared her just for a change because for a long time around my four to 6
years of age once in a while I would sleep in my parents room in the other bed,
so as per mom's account in the middel of the night she saw me sited at the
border of the bed as if in a trance just looking at the distance at the window
to the outside of the patio , we had several trees around the property, then she
asked me what was wrong and I said "The light !the light is approaching !!
-what light? what are you talking about son?,are you awake?
She said that my eyes were closed all of the time
-They are coming ,they are approaching
-Who ? wake up I won't let nobody do anything to you
-them , they are inside the light !! it's approaching !! it's closer!
Don't let them take me!!
Immediately after that I ran towards her who didn't have a chance to say
  more and calm me down, at that moment I just woke up remembering nothing, but i
was in her arms......

I didn't remember any of this and she wouldn't even mentioned if it wasn't for
my efforts researching about this subject, just to show you how easily details
and stories can be forgotten, it took me years to get ride of the recurrent
nightmare were I saw small creatures and had paralisis which didn't let me
scream despite my terror......


Those of you whom have been through something of the likes will know I'm
sincere, others will thing it was just tv induced stuff ....but it was the
sixties somewhere in mexico were we didn't have access to that type of
"folklore" , then again it never stops, something follows you all of the time ,
like this keen ability of "knowing" were to "find them" or "where to look"
.......It is up to you to decide.

One thing I know is that for some reason I don't fear them no more,my feeling is
more of sadness or something  last time "they " meased around with me was about
5 years ago, we lost 3 hrs coming from our trip coming back from Canada into the
states.....again I'm due for hypnotic regression.

Please don't call me "abductee"

I like the lyrics in this song fit perfectly the subject enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSLvcJ4I1mw

good luck to all.









--- In pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com, UFOVIKII@... wrote:
>
> _THE FOURTH KIND - In  Theaters November 6 - Official Site - ABDUCTION_
> (http://www.thefourthkind.net/#/ABDUCTION)
>

List,

Here's a good summary, but warning: does contain spoilers.

http://io9.com/5397359/the-fourth-kind-is-a-hoax

CB

Hey Jim,

Could you forward some links that have the details about the background behind
the film?

Thanks!

CB

--- In pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com, Jim OConnell <alienjwo@...> wrote:
>
> It's all a fake...just saw the film and it's a good scary flick, but that's
all it is.
> Look on the internet for all the faux details.
>
> JimO
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "AMLETZKO@..." <AMLETZKO@...>
> To: pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 3:14:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [pinebushufo] The Fourth Kind: the plot thickens
>
>  
> Movie got kind of panned in general reviews.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: squeebop <Remotevisn@aol. com>
> To: pinebushufo@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 12:46 pm
> Subject: [pinebushufo] The Fourth Kind: the plot thickens
>
>
>  
> List,
>
> Apparently The Fourth Kind is getting a thumbs up in general as a good scary
flick, but there has been a good amount of doubt from the UFO community that the
alleged "actual case study" footage is indeed real. So much so I haven't seen
any comments from any known researcher in the abduction field. But a great
writer by the name of Nick Redfern, a researcher who comes from the Fortean side
of things, wrote an article which gives a little background from the director
about the Alaskan case the movie claims to explore. Check the article out here:
>
> http://www.mania. com/4-true- stories-alien- abduction_ article_118557. html
>
> BUT-keep in mind, one big strike against the validity of the movie are the
websites claiming to be of third-party psychological studies that, according to
GoDaddy registration data, were only put up this year.
>
> So keep your eyes peeled for further info-will be interesting to see if there
is a real Dr. Abigail Turner. Otherwise, regardless of the outcome, enjoy the
flick-I've heard its great!
>
> CB
>

That's too bad.  I have to give any filmmaker props for making a horror film
without the excessive gore.  I keep hoping Spielberg will do another UFO film;
the reason CE3K is so good is because Spielberg is a true student of both
ufology and parapsychology.  In fact, he wrote the novel for CE3K, and people
might be surprised to find out that it is centers on the psychic aspect of the
UFO experience, a distinctly unpopular concept still to this day.

One fact you might be surprised to know: the Pine Bush story came somewhat close
to being made into a film.  Ellen Crystall sold the rights to a screen treatment
of Silent Invasion to a small filmmaker many years ago. The deal was for one
calendar year; obviously the filmmaker took a bath on it.

CB

--- In pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com, AMLETZKO@... wrote:
>
>
> Movie got kind of panned in general reviews.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: squeebop <Remotevisn@...>
> To: pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 12:46 pm
> Subject: [pinebushufo] The Fourth Kind: the plot thickens
>
>
>
>
>
>
> List,
>
> Apparently The Fourth Kind is getting a thumbs up in general as a good scary
flick, but there has been a good amount of doubt from the UFO community that the
alleged "actual case study" footage is indeed real. So much so I haven't seen
any comments from any known researcher in the abduction field. But a great
writer by the name of Nick Redfern, a researcher who comes from the Fortean side
of things, wrote an article which gives a little background from the director
about the Alaskan case the movie claims to explore. Check the article out here:
>
> http://www.mania.com/4-true-stories-alien-abduction_article_118557.html
>
> BUT-keep in mind, one big strike against the validity of the movie are the
websites claiming to be of third-party psychological studies that, according to
GoDaddy registration data, were only put up this year.
>
> So keep your eyes peeled for further info-will be interesting to see if there
is a real Dr. Abigail Turner. Otherwise, regardless of the outcome, enjoy the
flick-I've heard its great!
>
> CB
>

List,

Apparently The Fourth Kind is getting a thumbs up in general as a good scary
flick, but there has been a good amount of doubt from the UFO community that the
alleged "actual case study" footage is indeed real.  So much so I haven't seen
any comments from any known researcher in the abduction field.  But a great
writer by the name of Nick Redfern, a researcher who comes from the Fortean side
of things, wrote an article which gives a little background from the director
about the Alaskan case the movie claims to explore.  Check the article out here:

http://www.mania.com/4-true-stories-alien-abduction_article_118557.html

BUT-keep in mind, one big strike against the validity of the movie are the
websites claiming to be of third-party psychological studies that, according to
GoDaddy registration data, were only put up this year.

So keep your eyes peeled for further info-will be interesting to see if there is
a real Dr. Abigail Turner.  Otherwise, regardless of the outcome, enjoy the
flick-I've heard its great!

CB

List,

Here's a new-ish page on the Hudson Valley sightings.  Most interesting is the
video from 10/2008, although needless to say impossible to tell what we are
looking at due to the resolution and darkness.

http://www.realufos.net/2009/09/hudson-valley-ufos-keep-coming-special.html

CB

List,

A quick reminder that the U.F.O.S. meeting for November is this Wednesday at
7:30 at the Walker Valley Schoolhouse off of Route 52.

What's to talk about? What's there NOT to talk about! I don't think there has
ever been so much interest in all things paranormal/UFO, not only in American
culture but worldwide. Reports are coming in to the national organizations at a
huge pace, online discussion groups are going overtime, and even the show UFO
Hunters, originally left for dead, is coming back with new episodes on the
History Channel this month.  And of course, you have the first major motion
picture since Fire In The Sky to deal with the UFO/abduction phenomenon being
released this Friday, and the movie studio is putting major dollars behind
advertising, so clearly they expect this to be big.  So the loaded question is:
what does this all mean?!

Our cup runneth over.  Everyone drive safe.

CB

Hey Phil,

Thnx for sharing-didn't hear about this!  Interesting!

CB

--- In pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com, Myamiphil <myamiphil@...> wrote:
>
> Hardly a UFO, but one may have thought so at the time.
>
> I received a post today regarding the Peekskill meteorite. A little search
reveled a bit on info.
>
>
> Under Videos, images and More, you will find a link to the photos. Went right
thru the tail end of the guys car!
>
> Peekskill Meteorite
>
> This isn't the first to go thru a car and it won't be the last.
>
> Recently one came down in the SW Pacific... and blew up in the sky with the
energy of a nuclear blast. Of course it was a bit bigger. But had it hit the
ground..........
>
> Thank goodness we have an atmosphere!
>
> Enjoy
>
> Phil
>

0.0, it's very scary. this does not have anything to do with UFO.
why is the thing doing this? is it a ghost or a demon?
i wonder who call the cops?
still thanks for sharing this.

--- In pinebushufo@yahoogroups.com, Pinebushufo@... wrote:
>
> Hey all, I know most of you have seen the previews for Paranormal Activity.
>  I actually got the full effect and went to see it in the movies. I will
> not  comment on it until you have all seen it... but I actually found a link
> where  you can watch it online for free.. So it is worth a watch..
> Here is the link...
> _http://www.movshare.net/video/t79ztjd1w9ips_
> (http://www.movshare.net/video/t79ztjd1w9ips) #
>
> Good luck and happy huntings..
> Vinny
>

Mac Tonnies, a UFO researcher who's name might be familiar to those who read UFO
Magazine or surf some of the more Fortean UFO websites, has sadly passed away at
age 34.  Part of the group that has kept the spirit of Ivan Sanderson and John
Keel alive, while upping the quality of the research, Tonnies obviously
approached UFOs as the ultimate adventure, and made a lot of friends worldwide
in the community.  I imagine Greg Bishop will work to archive his writings and
website, and will work to publish a manuscript nearly done which might be of
interest as an alt point of view to hotspot researchers.  Condolences to his
friends and family.

More information here:

http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/10/23/remembering-mac/

http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/10/23/thoughts-on-mac/

http://www.anomalistbooks.com/news/2009/10/24/a-quiet-escape-from-kansas-city/

CB

After re-watching this, the ending is totally different then what was in the
acutal Theather release so I am guessing there are 2 different cuts but the rest
of the movie was the same except for the end.. Still worth a watch!


Vinny