Bob:

PocketMail's assertion that only a special unit (Composer) will work
with a digital phone is based on the probability that the random
interference of the phone's digital sampling will fatally affect the
unsynchronized digital modem signal from ordinary PocketMail.  You
apparently have hit it partly lucky with your particular VoIP.  If it
won't work 100%, they have no choice but to say it won't work.

Although I rarely use my cell phone for PocketMail, the BackFlip would
be no better than my TM-20 for me.  Once the big boys turn off Analog
with FCC permission next year, my CDMA won't work with any PocketMail
device.  But I do have a cheap second phone with iDEN that could work
with a Composer.

I had a cellular salesman say that the FCC is MAKING EVERYONE turn off
Analog next March.  That was a double fib.  The FCC is making them keep
it ON until then to protect customers that bought Analog-only phones
when they were still sold by those carriers.  There are rural companies
that have no intention of turning it off, still sell Analog phones, and
their customers like it that way.  Lumbermen especially have a yen for
bag phones.  Unfortunately, I don't have a list of those areas, but the
Wall Street Journal wrote about it.

The turnover in cellular salesmen is great enough that many now look
blank if you mention Analog!  When they get old enough to shave, they
sell used cars instead.

For those familiar with Quartzsite, AZ when it is overrun with us RVers
in January, that was where I first used my PocketMail early in 1999.
There were maybe 6 payphones at 3 locations near the US-95 intersection
on the South side of I-10, and they all had lines of people in the early
evening.  I counted maybe 1 out of 7 had PocketMail in their hands, but
the rest were there because cellular was gridlocked and a payphone was
the only way to call home.

But by 2-3 years ago, cellular had been fixed, and the payphones had
largely been removed.  There were NONE where I mentioned, and one or two
left at the Shell station on the North side, with no waiting.  But that
was better than none.  On non-RV trips, the phone in my motel room is
always adequate to send and receive PocketMail.

Les

Thanks for your comments Les -- BUT I received an email from tech support
and they said that the BackFlip was like the JVC , that is it could not work
with any digital device (in fact the pocketmail data files on the palm are
labeled JVC).  So that deepens the mystery of it working virtually 100% on
sending over this voip wifi device.  Your point is well taken that in
sending it IS receiving (on check) which is the titillating part of this
thing!  I sent an email to tech outlining these things and got an email
saying that the pocketmail backflip does not work with voip.  A frustrating
response given it IS working and quite reliably at that --but only on send.

I am wondering about echo back and the like because the device ear and mouth
pieces are so close so that it gets confused on receipt of data.  I tried
buying one of those ear/mouth remote things so that I could isolate the
ear/mouth peices, but couldn't get it to work for sending or receiving.

BTW I should point out that the reliability on the backflip has been
remarkable in general and miraculous on sending.  I once sent an email (to
myself) during a rock concert [my daughter made me go so I entertained
myself with this experiment :) ]  I was only several feet from the
screeching band.  I sent it via a cell phone (in analog mode)!  I could not
then receive it -- during the concert that is.  It was in my inbox though.

Thanks for listening --Bob


On 4/25/07 2:17 AM, "Les Cobb" <w6tee@...> wrote:

> Bob:
>
> Some comments that may or may not help:  I'll word this for everyone, so
> don't take offence.  Using PocketMail with digital phones is a known
> problem.  The PocketMail site only discusses the Composer, Sharp, and
> JVC with cellular, but does not mention using them with VoIP.  I would
> assume that the BackFlip is like the composer but they don't say.  The
> problem is that a digital phone has to sample the audio at a digital
> rate that will adequately reproduce voice.  The rate and method are
> different with TDMA, GSM, iDEN, or CDMA cellular, and various Internet
> VoIP.  The Sharp or JVC PocketMail cannot be used with any digital
> phone, landline or wireless, because digital sampling interferes with
> the digital rate of the PocketMail tones sent.  I'm not sure how the
> Composer gets around this, but it can only do it with TDMA, GSM, and
> iDEN, which are all the same except for digital rates, etc.  The
> Composer doesn't work with CDMA, which is totally different, and it
> probably gets heartburn over various VoIP systems.
>
> There are Wi-Fi situations that prevent sending and receiving
> simultaneously, but PocketMail doesn't do that.  In fact, each packet
> sent or received is confirmed by a following packet in the opposite
> direction.  So you wouldn't be able to send if it wasn't receiving
> confirmation clearly.
>
> I saw a review that mentioned using a TRGpro with a BackFlip, but I
> don't think they tried it, just assumed its compatibility.  I have a
> Palm TX with Wi-Fi.  I don't think it will work with the BackFlip.  Too
> bad.  My 8-year-old Sharp TM-20 can't last forever.
>
> Les
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Bob and all:

Just in case you like these quirks like I do, no GSM "towers" have any
grandfathered Analog, which can legally die in March 2008.  TDMA, such
as still in use by some Cingular customers, or CDMA, were both designed
to overlay Analog.  But the Europeans, not having Analog, took the TDMA
specifications and modified them for digital only use, calling it GSM.
So when GSM was adopted by some carriers in the US, they had to be on
totally new licenses, mostly 1900 MHz PCS spectrum, where there was no
grandfathered Analog, because GSM is incompatible with Analog.
Cingular, for one, cannot totally convert to GSM until they get rid of
all TDMA and Analog subscribers.  Other companies are in a similar bind,
so don't expect to find any Analog for PocketMail in Metro areas after
March of next year.  I can still manually force my CDMA phone to Analog,
but they bury it in the menu.  Only a couple CDMA phones offered by my
company still had Analog when I got new phones.  Hint: It's not the teen
phones!

Nextel's iDEN is also TDMA without Analog, but has different specs
because they used frequencies spaced for two-way radio use, not
cellular.

Les

Hi Les,

You bring up a valid point when it comes to using Pocketmail with VOiP phones.
Pocketmail doesn't really address this issue at all. It would be
interesting to
send "tech support" a question on this topic.

Hopefully by now the vast majority of Pocketmail users know that Pocketmail
devices won't work with GSM, or tri-band, cell phones. This option ended with
the end of all of the "analog" cell phone systems. I would be very curious as
to how tech support for Pocketmail would address this issue with regard
to VOiP
phones. Maybe someone should send them a new question to add to their database
of information!

There is really no way of know how long your TM-20 will last. Just don't abuse
it and it should continue to give you years of continuing good service.

I currently use the Pocketmail Composer. I have a few spare Pocketmail devices
just in case.

(1) New Sharp TM-20
(2) Used Sharp TM-20's
(1) Used JVC HC-E100

You might want to start looking for a cheap Pocketmail device on eBay just in
case your TM-20 starts to malfuction. Just a thought!

Later,
Bob in Vegas

Quoting Les Cobb <w6tee@...>:
>
> Bob:
>
> Some comments that may or may not help:  I'll word this for everyone, so
> don't take offence.  Using PocketMail with digital phones is a known
> problem.  The PocketMail site only discusses the Composer, Sharp, and
> JVC with cellular, but does not mention using them with VoIP.  I would
> assume that the BackFlip is like the composer but they don't say.  The
> problem is that a digital phone has to sample the audio at a digital
> rate that will adequately reproduce voice.  The rate and method are
> different with TDMA, GSM, iDEN, or CDMA cellular, and various Internet
> VoIP.  The Sharp or JVC PocketMail cannot be used with any digital
> phone, landline or wireless, because digital sampling interferes with
> the digital rate of the PocketMail tones sent.  I'm not sure how the
> Composer gets around this, but it can only do it with TDMA, GSM, and
> iDEN, which are all the same except for digital rates, etc.  The
> Composer doesn't work with CDMA, which is totally different, and it
> probably gets heartburn over various VoIP systems.
>
> There are Wi-Fi situations that prevent sending and receiving
> simultaneously, but PocketMail doesn't do that.  In fact, each packet
> sent or received is confirmed by a following packet in the opposite
> direction.  So you wouldn't be able to send if it wasn't receiving
> confirmation clearly.
>
> I saw a review that mentioned using a TRGpro with a BackFlip, but I
> don't think they tried it, just assumed its compatibility.  I have a
> Palm TX with Wi-Fi.  I don't think it will work with the BackFlip.  Too
> bad.  My 8-year-old Sharp TM-20 can't last forever.
>
> Les

Bob:

Some comments that may or may not help:  I'll word this for everyone, so
don't take offence.  Using PocketMail with digital phones is a known
problem.  The PocketMail site only discusses the Composer, Sharp, and
JVC with cellular, but does not mention using them with VoIP.  I would
assume that the BackFlip is like the composer but they don't say.  The
problem is that a digital phone has to sample the audio at a digital
rate that will adequately reproduce voice.  The rate and method are
different with TDMA, GSM, iDEN, or CDMA cellular, and various Internet
VoIP.  The Sharp or JVC PocketMail cannot be used with any digital
phone, landline or wireless, because digital sampling interferes with
the digital rate of the PocketMail tones sent.  I'm not sure how the
Composer gets around this, but it can only do it with TDMA, GSM, and
iDEN, which are all the same except for digital rates, etc.  The
Composer doesn't work with CDMA, which is totally different, and it
probably gets heartburn over various VoIP systems.

There are Wi-Fi situations that prevent sending and receiving
simultaneously, but PocketMail doesn't do that.  In fact, each packet
sent or received is confirmed by a following packet in the opposite
direction.  So you wouldn't be able to send if it wasn't receiving
confirmation clearly.

I saw a review that mentioned using a TRGpro with a BackFlip, but I
don't think they tried it, just assumed its compatibility.  I have a
Palm TX with Wi-Fi.  I don't think it will work with the BackFlip.  Too
bad.  My 8-year-old Sharp TM-20 can't last forever.

Les

Hello,

I am a new member to the group, though I have used a pocketmail backflip
with a palm IIIxe for several years.  I travel around the States --mostly to
college campuses and find that most campuses protect their WIFI so using the
pocketmail is much easier.  And though campus payphones are disappearing
fast, most campuses have campus phones in all the public buildings.  A
dialed nine gets an outside line for local calls and 800 numbers.

One of the reasons I still use the palm III is that it works great with the
pocketmail device and unlike the other pocketmail devices gives me access to
a great deal of memory, a full size keyboard and an automatic pastin from
documents stored on my memo pad.  It also supports Vcard and  Vcalendar
attachments.

I have two issues, though that I would like some opinions on:

One is that I have an internet phone.  It is a portable voip device the size
of a cell phone,  Since it is digital it is not suppose to work with the
backflip/palm.  BUT I CAN use it to send email with my pocketmail.  It is
about 97% reliable.  The unreliability seems to be related to internet
traffic at a particular site.  This gives me send capability at WIFI sites.
BUT IT CANNOT RECEIVE!  Reliability on receiving is about 05%  it does work
on rare occasions.  Any ideas why this is so?  Why it can send but not
receive?

The second issues is that recently I purchased a TRGpro -- it is a palm III
like device, but with a compact card slot and WIFI capabilities.  I
purchased this device (on ebay) so that I could have my cake and eat it too.
That is so that I could have my pocketmail device when WIFI is unavailable,
but have wifi when it was‹using the same device!!  The problem I am having
is that the TRGpro seems to be unstable when I use pocketmail.  But because
the crashes are not consistent I am not sure.  Has anybody read about
problems with the TRGpro and pocketmail?

If I can work out one or the other of these problems I will have a solution
for the should I stay with pocketmail or go wifi problem that several post
have written about.

Bob Hunter


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I took a cross country trip last summer from New York to Oregon, Washington
and then to California and back to N.Y. I was gone 7 weeks. I used my pocketmail
wherever I went, usually payphones did the job using the 800 toll free number, I
incured no cost and it worked everywhere. I think its fantastic to have such a
small device that can at least keep me in e-mail contact with friends and
family.
   I do hope that someday it will have a seperate memory card so I can store
information I had on the device. It has crashed three times on me ad each time I
lost all the information, an SD flash card would store it for me....hint there
pocket mail.
   I can see where with new devices this service might find its demise but
pocketmail could save it with innovation and new capacities. Its really a neet
device, I can't do without it and I have a laptop computer but it doesen't fit
in my pocket. Size is the winning factor so is cell reception limitations at
present.  ~Joseph Petrick. Otselic, New York

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Hi Loris,
Tom brings up a good point. GSM, or tri-band, cell phones work well when
traveling in any one given country. Using these cell phones can get rather
costly if that's the way you want to go with your email. I had a friend visit me
here in Vegas from Oz. She was very surprised by her costly cell phone bill upon
her return home three weeks later. She was checking her email on a routine
basis. In hindsight she wishes she would have brought her notebook with her.
Internet shops are a good option for you as they are becoming more & more
commonplace in most places in the world. That's what I would do anyway.
Pocketmail has it's place when it comes to sending & receiving email but there
are better options at times.
Hopefully this information will help you make a better informed decision.
Later,
Bob in Vegas

<----- Original Text ----->
--- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com,
I will be leaving on a 8 week trip shortly, a week in West Australia
then a month in Europe and a month in Europe on the way home. Last
time I left the pocketmail at home and got added exercise by
carrying around a lap top. Handy at times but just not as convenient
as the pocketmail composer.

So, if pocketmail is becoming unreliable and I don't want to cart a
laptop through so many airpor security checks this trip Could some
one please advise me of a comparable web enabled cell phone? that
will work in Australia Eurpope and USA?

thanks in advance

Loris
You are welcome to visit my web page at
www.lorishancock.com
to visit my mini bear

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Loris,
I too travel world wide. The problem with cell phones, unless you are
GSM triband, your cell phone is basically dead weight. Even then, to
use a phone you must buy a chip for each country. time charges are
expensive still I think. I have found that the best way to
communicate is Internet shops (used to be cafes) They are all over
the world. Last time internet shops were so prevalent, that I didn't
use my pocketmail that much. BUT for being in a small, town with no
internet service AND the ability to journal ahead in your room before
you send something out, the pocket mail still has its place!  My next
trip is coming up..still not sure if I'll take it. The other thing
that is bugging me is its inability to handle pictures, attachements.
At an internet shop, you can upload pictures from your trip..can't do
that on pocketmail

Take care
Others let us know if this is what they find. Seems phones are still
a bit of a hassle and expensive to use when travelling world wide..???


Bill
On Apr 21, 2007, at 8:04 AM, Loris hancock wrote:

> --- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <at_anchor@...> wrote:
> >
> > I too have given up on Pocketmail. Switched to web enabled cell
> phone
> > that has similar capabilities with greater reliability and
> > connectivity.
>
> I will be leaving on a 8 week trip shortly, a week in West Australia
> then a month in Europe and a month in Europe on the way home. Las
> time I left the pocket mail at home and got added exercise by
> carrying around a lap top. handy at times but just not as convenient
> as the pocket mail composer.
>
> So, if pocket mail is becoming unreliable and I don't want to cart a
> laptop through so many airpor security checks this trip Could some
> one please advise me of a comparable web enabled cell phone? that
> will work in Australia Eurpope and USA?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Loris
> You are welcome to visit my web page at
> www.lorishancock.com
> to visit my mini bears
>
>
>
>



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--- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <at_anchor@...> wrote:
>
> I too have given up on Pocketmail.  Switched to web enabled cell
phone
> that has similar capabilities with greater reliability and
> connectivity.

I will be leaving on a 8 week trip shortly, a week in West Australia
then a month in Europe and a month in Europe on the way home. Las
time I left the pocket mail at home and got added exercise by
carrying around a lap top. handy at times but just not as convenient
as the pocket mail composer.

So, if pocket mail is becoming unreliable and I don't want to cart a
laptop through so many airpor security checks this trip Could some
one please advise me of a comparable web enabled cell phone? that
will work in Australia Eurpope and USA?

thanks in advance

Loris
You are welcome to visit my web page at
www.lorishancock.com
to visit my mini bears

The spammer who just sent a spam message to the pocketmail list has been
unsubscribed.

I approve all new members, and generally catch one like this guy, but I missed
him.  The
message received went to dozens of yahoogroups email lists.

Sharon


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that have been kind and taken time out to chat with me. I am still lookin for a
few single straight guys who are discreet and can handle someone like me. As you
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Another way is that every year thousands of scholarships are wasted,
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I too have given up on Pocketmail.  Switched to web enabled cell phone
that has similar capabilities with greater reliability and
connectivity.  I used Pocketmail for a few years and found the service
to be acceptable at first but it drifted toward unreliable as time
passed.  Everything changes and in this competative marketplace some
products are left behind.

Howdee,
        After endless problems with my Pocketmail device, wasting $95
on buying a new one that still didnt recieve properly and negotiating
the 'supposed' customer service (snigger snigger) line I have dumped
the ridiculous thing and gone to the Unwired company.
   Perhaps Pocketmail should consider staff that know what day it is
and can provide solutions to problems, instead of braindead progrmamed
machines that seem lost with anything more than questions related to
paying your bill.

Tally Ho
Brad

--- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "tait700" <cscannell@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Was wondering if anyone has any info on the interface cable that
> originally came with the above Composer.
> I purchased one second hand but it didn't include the above cable and
i
> was wondering if it simply consisted of a 3.5mm Stereo plug connected
> to a 9 Pin D Plug to suit the Serial Port on the Host Computer.
> If by chance the Plug Casing at the Computer End of the Cable has any
> Matching Electronics or there are any other twists to the makeup of
the
> cable i would be very grateful for any info.
> Alternatively if anyone has a spare one they would be interested in
> selling at a reasonable price i would be pleased to discuss it with
> them further.
>
> Regards.
>
P.S. The Plug should have been a 2.5 Audio plug, not 3.5 as stated above
apologies

Hello,
Was wondering if anyone has any info on the interface cable that
originally came with the above Composer.
I purchased one second hand but it didn't include the above cable and i
was wondering if it simply consisted of a 3.5mm Stereo plug connected
to a 9 Pin D Plug to suit the Serial Port on the Host Computer.
If by chance the Plug Casing at the Computer End of the Cable has any
Matching Electronics or there are any other twists to the makeup of the
cable i would be very grateful for any info.
Alternatively if anyone has a spare one they would be interested in
selling at a reasonable price i would be pleased to discuss it with
them further.

Regards.

My spell-checker blind-sided me.  That should be Econo Lodge, of course.

Les

I've made a number of pro-PocketMail comments, and I still feel that
way, but there is no denying that the playing field is shifting.  I
drove from California to Ohio in May, and back, with PocketMail and a
Wi-Fi PDA.  I gave Wi-Fi more attention than it deserved, mainly to
check it out.  I started out with a list of free Hot Spots along the
route, and a list of McDonald's with Wi-Fi, which are free to me through
my ISP.  I found out fast that usable McDonald's were never where I
wanted them, when I wanted them.  The only one listed on I-70 in
mid-Kansas was closed and being rebuilt!  Plus, it was awkward taking
time out during a McDonald's stop to do my mail.  I never did try one of
the many yuppie coffee shops, etc. that had free Wi-Fi, since they would
have been side trips.  The gold mine was all the motels that had Wi-Fi
that was unexpected!  I had motel rooms with wireless more nights than
not, and I was stopping at the cheaper ones!  That was the only time I
was comfortable using Wi-Fi, and it would have been more so with my
laptop, rather than the unobtrusive PDA.  If you are satisfied with
checking your mail every other night, on the average, this will work.
But if you need to check your mail one or more times a day, without
exception, stick with PocketMail and payphones, at least for the
present.

Re motels: Although there were chains, like Economy Lodge, that seemed
to have a lot of Wi-Fi, I was surprised at the number of Ma & Pa motels
with it.  I suspect that Wi-Fi services salesmen have done a great sales
job there!  Most required an ID and password, but the offices printed me
slips with that information when I told them I wanted to use the Wi-Fi.
I suspect that it costs the motel for each one printed, but it was
always free to me.  At the same time, some friends were on a trip to PA
in their small motorhome.  His e-mail narratives included his exploits
trying to find motels with Wi-Fi where he could park outside long enough
to send his mail!  He must have found some without passwords, because we
kept hearing from him!  I wasn't in direct touch with him to tell him
about the free Hot Spot lists.

Les

I wanted to reply to the fellow who gave up his pocketmail service. You talk
about being able to have free service at the hot spots with you lap top but look
at the thing you have to carry around. Can it be fit in your pocket? I carry my
pocketmail with me everyday to wherever I go, it fits in the pocket of my shorts
or pants and in the winter into my coat or jacket pocket, that is the convience
its size and I don't have to search out hot spots at restaurants and such, I
just go to a pay phone of which in New York State they are plantiful. I just
came back from an 8000 miles cross country trip from New York to Oregon and
California, I found pay phones everywhere and in most rest areas, it was no
problem, 95% of them worked with pocketmail.
   Yes I do regret that we can't open attachments but you can't have everything
in such a small machine that I can still type on pretty fast with its size key
board. I do widh they made a larger plug-in key board that could be used at home
for convience, some of them actually fold up, its an idea pocketmail, I know you
listen!
   Otherwise I think its a good deal still. I know technology is advancing
rapidly and pocketmail will have to develope some newer product that can keep up
with the other gadgets. I would like to see them offer something more advanced
if they are to stay ahead of the crowd. Think flash chip to store more
information and for tranfer and a larger plug-in key board as some ideas. They
can be sold as accessories and options.
   ~Joe Petrick, Georgetown, New York.


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Email Anywhere
www.pocketmail.com

I allowed my annual contract with PocketMail to terminate.

PocketMail service continued to be difficult to use with multiple
attempts needed to complete a download over public telephones
(possibly due to my remote location telephone lines).  Earlier in the
year my Composer died which I replaced with a TM-20 off of eBay.  The
TM-20 works fine except for occasional display driver problems.  My
cell phone company is reducing its analog signals (Composer & TM-20
worked over analog but not over digital) making access while sailing
less available.

But by far the driving issue is the increased availability of free
WiFi now available to me.  When I first got PocketMail WiFi was not
very available, now I can use my laptop to surf for free at highspeed
in the comfort of the public library, coffee shop or grocery store
snack shop.  Paying good money to stand in the rain at a pay telephone
(fewer of these are available now as well) downloading slow text
messages is no longer that enjoyable.

Quiting PocketMail is a bit of a challenge.  They responded to my
email instructions telling them to cancel saying that they would only
cancel an account if they receive verbal instructions.  When talking
to them the excuse they used for not accepting email instructions to
terminate included "they get hundreds of email messages".  I guess
PocketMail folks are not skilled at using email for business.

PocketMail was an OK service for its time but for me that time has
passed.

Tom

Thanks for the information. Looks like it worked just fine.

Thanks again
Jeff



--- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "mrfrys" <MrFrys@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> The TM-20 cable serves 2 purposes.  Backup is one, and Sync is the
other (what you want).
> You need to install the PocketLynx software in order to sync.  A
trial version should be
> included on the disk that came with the TM-20 or you can download a
free PocketLynx
> trial here:
> http://pocketlynx.com
>
> - MrFrys
>
> --- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Rubic" <bounderjeff@>
wrote:
> >
> > My wife recently was cleaning out a drawer and found her old TM
20
> > pocket mail device. Upon looking at it, she found messages that
her dad
> > had sent her years ago. Her dad has since passed away and she
would
> > like to have these files on her P. C. We currently DO NOT have
the TM-
> > 20 active and do not wish to do so.
> >
> > Question, is there anyway that these files can be copied over ? I
have
> > the cable and the link software, but it only did a "backup" and
the
> > file that was created was unreadable.
> >
> > Thanks in advance to all
> >
> > Jeff Rubic
> >
>

Thank you for the prompt reply.  I'll try it when I have some time to devote
to it.  I have a JVC, and I don't think it has the "add addresses" option.

John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mrfrys" <MrFrys@...>
To: <pocketmail@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: [pocketmail] Re: TM 20 files


> John,
>
> I'm assuming you have a Composer.  To get addresses from Netscape email
> (Outlook
> Express is probably similar), open the Address Book and select Export from
> the Tools
> menu. EXPORT the addresses from Netscape as "Tab delimited".  Make a note
> of where you
> save the file. Then run WindowsLink and IMPORT the addresses using a
> Delimiter of "Tab"
> and browsing for the file you just saved. Select TEL at the top of the
> "Import To" screen.
> The tedious part is mapping the Fields (you have to go through each field
> from Netscape
> and map it to the comparable WindowsLink field).  It's not difficult, it
> just takes some time.
>
> If you just want email addresses, the easy way is while reading inbox
> email select "Add
> Address" from the Menu button.
>
> - MrFrys
>
> --- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "JCocking" <jcocking@...> wrote:
>>
>> Mrfrys,
>>
>> You seem knowledgeable about PocketMail, perhaps you know how to mass
>> transfer an address book from a PC (Outlook Express) to PM.  I think it
>> was
>> posted here once, and I did it, but I have since lost that list (due to
>> prolonged dead battery between bouts of usage).  If you can help with
>> this,
>> I would be appreciative, and no doubt so would other users.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

John,

I'm assuming you have a Composer.  To get addresses from Netscape email (Outlook
Express is probably similar), open the Address Book and select Export from the
Tools
menu. EXPORT the addresses from Netscape as "Tab delimited".  Make a note of
where you
save the file. Then run WindowsLink and IMPORT the addresses using a Delimiter
of "Tab"
and browsing for the file you just saved. Select TEL at the top of the "Import
To" screen.
The tedious part is mapping the Fields (you have to go through each field from
Netscape
and map it to the comparable WindowsLink field).  It's not difficult, it just
takes some time.

If you just want email addresses, the easy way is while reading inbox email
select "Add
Address" from the Menu button.

- MrFrys

--- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "JCocking" <jcocking@...> wrote:
>
> Mrfrys,
>
> You seem knowledgeable about PocketMail, perhaps you know how to mass
> transfer an address book from a PC (Outlook Express) to PM.  I think it was
> posted here once, and I did it, but I have since lost that list (due to
> prolonged dead battery between bouts of usage).  If you can help with this,
> I would be appreciative, and no doubt so would other users.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John.

Mrfrys,

You seem knowledgeable about PocketMail, perhaps you know how to mass
transfer an address book from a PC (Outlook Express) to PM.  I think it was
posted here once, and I did it, but I have since lost that list (due to
prolonged dead battery between bouts of usage).  If you can help with this,
I would be appreciative, and no doubt so would other users.

Thanks,

John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mrfrys" <MrFrys@...>
To: <pocketmail@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: [pocketmail] Re: TM 20 files


> Jeff,
>
> The TM-20 cable serves 2 purposes.  Backup is one, and Sync is the other
> (what you want).
> You need to install the PocketLynx software in order to sync.  A trial
> version should be
> included on the disk that came with the TM-20 or you can download a free
> PocketLynx
> trial here:
> http://pocketlynx.com
>
> - MrFrys
>
> --- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Rubic" <bounderjeff@...> wrote:
>>
>> My wife recently was cleaning out a drawer and found her old TM 20
>> pocket mail device. Upon looking at it, she found messages that her dad
>> had sent her years ago. Her dad has since passed away and she would
>> like to have these files on her P. C. We currently DO NOT have the TM-
>> 20 active and do not wish to do so.
>>
>> Question, is there anyway that these files can be copied over ? I have
>> the cable and the link software, but it only did a "backup" and the
>> file that was created was unreadable.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to all
>>
>> Jeff Rubic
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Jeff,

The TM-20 cable serves 2 purposes.  Backup is one, and Sync is the other (what
you want).
You need to install the PocketLynx software in order to sync.  A trial version
should be
included on the disk that came with the TM-20 or you can download a free
PocketLynx
trial here:
http://pocketlynx.com

- MrFrys

--- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Rubic" <bounderjeff@...> wrote:
>
> My wife recently was cleaning out a drawer and found her old TM 20
> pocket mail device. Upon looking at it, she found messages that her dad
> had sent her years ago. Her dad has since passed away and she would
> like to have these files on her P. C. We currently DO NOT have the TM-
> 20 active and do not wish to do so.
>
> Question, is there anyway that these files can be copied over ? I have
> the cable and the link software, but it only did a "backup" and the
> file that was created was unreadable.
>
> Thanks in advance to all
>
> Jeff Rubic
>

My wife recently was cleaning out a drawer and found her old TM 20
pocket mail device. Upon looking at it, she found messages that her dad
had sent her years ago. Her dad has since passed away and she would
like to have these files on her P. C. We currently DO NOT have the TM-
20 active and do not wish to do so.

Question, is there anyway that these files can be copied over ? I have
the cable and the link software, but it only did a "backup" and the
file that was created was unreadable.

Thanks in advance to all

Jeff Rubic

I still think the Composer should work on Cingular digital.  But
whatever.  The main drawback to switching to analog on my Motorola
non-Razr phones has been that if the call doesn't go through, it reverts
to digital and you have to go through the menu all over again to find
analog.  But you wouldn't want to forget and leave it on analog, so that
is a good feature.

Yes, payphones are disappearing.  The business was flooded by
get-rich-quick operators after the FCC let anyone own and install them.
Many had high prices and used that to convince property owners such as
service stations, bars, and restaurants to throw the phone company out
for a large kick-back.  But cell phones made many payphones unprofitable
and those providers have gone away.  The legitimate phone companies are
still around, but they have been in no hurry to rush back to the
locations where they were evicted.  But I mostly use payphones rather
than motel phones only when I am camping, and payphones have been no
problem there.

I agree that Wi-Fi would be a good feature on the next Composer.  I find
that my Wi-Fi PDA is far more awkward and time-consuming than my
PocketMail.  Radio Shack has a Wi-Fi Instant Messenger (IM) device that
they sell to the kids.  It has no log-on capability so only works on
free or unsecured open systems.  It is interesting only to show that you
can package Wi-Fi almost any way.

Les

This explains it.  While I couldn't get a sync in my quiet apartment,
my Razr finally worked in the middle of washington dc - literally on a
street corner with traffic and everything!  I couldn't understand it,
but now I'm guessing my phone automatically switched from pcs to analog
based on local coverage.

p.s. finding payphones is getting harder and harder these days,
especially working pay phones.  still, I'll enjoy my pocketmail account
until the year runs out.  I'm planning on a cross country bicycle tour
which was my main reason for getting it - they're very popular in that
small community of users...

--- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, "Les Cobb" <w6tee@...> wrote:
but in many
> parts of the country, Cingular GSM is on PCS which doesn't provide
> analog.

Thanks for all the info.  I agree, pocketmail has it's small niche
appeal.  I have a pocketpc and laptop that I use at internet cafes,
but I bought the composer because (a) got it cheap w/ 1 yr contract
on ebay and (b) like the idea of composing anywhere and emailing it
later.

An ideal upgrade would be for pocketmail to include a wifi version
that could sync/send from internet cafes as well (can't really beat
the battery life, portability, form factor).



--- In pocketmail@yahoogroups.com, Bill Wilson <email2bill@...> wrote:
>
> jradi,
>
> I think the first thing you need to explore is whether your phone
is
> running via analog or digital when you are working with the
> pocketmail composer. It will only work on analog. The acoustic
> coupling interface should be the second thing you work on, but
first
> ensure your phone service and phone allow you to switch to analog
> versus digital signal.
>
> Others out there may be able to help on this issue, this is my gut
> reaction
>
> as a "user" of pocketmail:
>
> My use of pocketmail is primarily with public telephones. Thats why
I
> have one. I travel all over the world, and find the pocketmail
> valuable because all it requires is a phone. Public phones exist
> everywhere all over the world, and in your hotel, etc.  However,
due
> to limited access service by pocketmail (Phone numbers to call in
> parts of the world) tending to make it more costly by using access
> numbers very far from where you are, I'm finding that internet
shops
> are more preferable now. As time goes on, so does the worldwide
> growth of the Internet service shops (now in almost every little
> town). I used to love the pocketmail for the ability to journal
ahead
> and then send, rather than on the write on the spot at an internet
> shop. But difficulty of access by the pocketmail and the increased
> access by internet worldwide is shifting my opinion in favor of
> internet use.
>
> Technology is quickly changing coupled with competition. My
feeling,
> although I don't have experience with this, is that local
(emphasis
> on LOCAL, here in the US and CANADA)mobile phone providers now
give
> you access to the net with  your phone or pda (which has huge
> capability exceeding what the simple, old tech pocketmail device
has)
> at a reasonable cost and much much easier to use...?? you should
> check with this forum on this.
>
> Bottomline, the pockemail device filled a nice void in the last
few
> years, now with technology changes occurring coupled with good
> competition, I think phone systems, Wi-Fi locations being more
> widespread, better and cheaper portable pc's and pda's, etc are
all
> making my nice little pocketmail device become a little outdated.
>
> I'm keeping the service for a while longer however, until I really
> find the cost effective, universal alternative. The use by RV'rs
on
> the road travelling thru small towns HERE IN THE US AND CANADA, is
a
> good example. Nothing beats the pocketmail to type a quick note,
find
> a public phone booth, dial a toll free number and deliver an email
to
> someone in a matter of minutes. Can't do that very easily, or
> economically with a mobile phone based in your home area...YET!!!
>
> Good luck with the pocketmail ...its still a terrific device for
the
> right application..at least for awhile
>
> Bill