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Apple sends notice to Podcast Ready; claims rights on "POD."   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #22634 of 39460 |
Hey everyone,

You all know that I'm not an alarmist when it comes to Apple
conspiracy theories -- in fact, I lean more towards being an Apple fan
in podcasting than a hater. So when I say that the following is
outrageous and may be hazardous to the podcast community, I'm not just
blowing smoke.

Many of you know that I do some contracting work for Podcast Ready.
And they have a cool little podcatcher that lives on MP3 players
called myPodder. In conversation with Russell Holliman, I learned
that they received a cease-and-desist letter from Apple on both
"myPodder" and "Podcast Ready".

Why? Because Apple claims rights on both "iPod" and "Pod," and they
say that both marks "consists in substantial part of Apple's IPOD
mark, and contain Apple's POD mark in its entirety."

This isn't rumor. I've seen the letter from Apple's lawyer. In the
letter, Apple says things like: "Moreover, the term POD has also been
adopted and used extensively in the marketplace by consumers as an
abbreviation to refer to Apple's IPOD player." (Um... It has? I've
never heard it used that way.) They claim "pending U.S. applications
for both IPOD and POD," and that "Apple also owns international
registrations and applications for POD."

Later in the letter, they claim: "While Apple, of course, has no
general objection to proper use of the descriptive term 'podcast' as
part of a trademark for goods and services in the podcasting field, it
cannot allow marks that go beyond this legitimate use and infringe on
Apple's rights in POD and IPOD."

This story's already been covered by Wired, although the piece has a
couple of inaccuracies:
http://blog.wired.com/music/index.blog?entry_id=1561308

To the best of my knowledge, this is the first cease-and-desist I've
heard about from Apple for instances of "pod" or "podcast" in the
podcasting sphere. (As opposed to product names that actually
contained "iPod," such as iPodder and iPodderX -- I'm actually on
Apple's side in those cases.) They say they're not interested in
shutting down the word 'podcast,' just infringements on their "POD"
mark -- but if that's the case, why object to the company name Podcast
Ready? And why do they even *have* a "POD" mark? There is no "pod"
product, and no one calls iPods "pods" in common use.

I'm not going to rant deeper on this right now, although it's
certainly got my heat up. You all can form your own opinions. I'm
just bringing the news. I will note (as I've said before) that a
cease-and-desist, by itself, doesn't mean that a lawsuit is imminent.
These things often go out on autopilot, just so the company can claim
later that it's defending its trademark if it has to later on. But
this particular letter had other information in it that seemed to
indicate that they had researched Podcast Ready pretty carefully, and
even might have had intelligence on Podcast Ready plans that weren't
public at the time the letter went out.

Russell is under instructions from his lawyer not to engage in further
public comment, but I'm just a contractor, and unconcerned about the
consequences to me personally. I'm more worried about what it might
mean to *all* of us.

--
Have Fun,
Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
http://www.escapepod.org



Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:22 am

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Hey everyone, You all know that I'm not an alarmist when it comes to Apple conspiracy theories -- in fact, I lean more towards being an Apple fan in podcasting...
Stephen Eley
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Sep 23, 2006
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At this point I am beyond speechless. There are only like a 100 sites that use the word podcast in their service name. Simply and shockingly amazing. You have...
Todd Cochrane
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Sep 23, 2006
5:21 am

I've got to say that when I read this report earlier today I didn't know what to think. This is beyond pathetic saying that the term "podcast ready" is theirs....
C.C. Chapman
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Sep 23, 2006
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Hi everyone: ... PodcastReady isn't any different than PodShow. I fail to see why Apple would be complaining. Besides, they've got bigger fish to fry...
Pat Cook (Pat's Podca...
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Sep 26, 2006
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Pat, With all due respect, that's easy for you to suggest :) Taking my business owner hat off for just a moment, and putting on my podcast community member...
Russell S. Holliman
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Sep 27, 2006
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I have posted some choice words here http://www.geeknewscentral.com/archives/006423.html _____ From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com...
Todd Cochrane
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Sep 23, 2006
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Although I think you are overreacting a little, Todd, I do appreciate your passion regarding this subject. But I agree with your post that if Apple truly does...
Paul Puri
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Sep 23, 2006
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Someone should call Oxford dictionary and warn them. I think Mypodder is iffy, but Podcast Ready? Apple might as well say that they own the word podcast and we...
Paul Puri
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Sep 23, 2006
6:26 am

I think it is totally rediculous that Apple claim the "POD" as their trademark. Does this mean that Burger King's "FryPod" containers are a violation?? Did...
Zaldor
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Sep 23, 2006
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I have a piece of music gear sitting on my desk. It's made by a company called Line 6, and it's simply called "POD." (It's a type of effects processor that...
Shawn Thorpe
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Sep 23, 2006
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And what about the band? There's a band POD (could be P.O.D though). How can apple suddenly claim in owning this, it's crazy how the patent and trademark ...
Joel Haasnoot
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Sep 23, 2006
8:27 am

This action by Apple is completely expected by me. I was surprised that things have gone this far without Apple already claiming everything a bit sooner. Who...
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Sep 23, 2006
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Sorry, but if you say that we should fight for "pay on demandcast", I think you;ve not understood podcasting, or atleast the part of podcasting which is ...
Joel Haasnoot
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Sep 23, 2006
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... Well, as we all know, a lot of people think you "have to have" an iPod to subscribe to or hear a podcast and there's certainly a movement afoot in some...
Charlie McEnerney
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Sep 23, 2006
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Heh Joel, The point of my writing is whether we should try to keep the terms "pod" and "podcast". I showed a possible way, which is to have the term "pod"...
Farmers Agent
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Sep 23, 2006
3:23 pm

... That is actually an interesting point. Why Podcast Ready and not Podiobooks or Podcast Pickle? I suspect it is a domain issue, that Podcast Ready makes...
Command Line
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Sep 23, 2006
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... Don, you're doing that thing again where your fingers are hitting keys. There appear to be words coming out, but the order in which you're combining them...
Stephen Eley
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Sep 23, 2006
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Stephen, While I may be the worlds worst podcaster, I like some here do understand a few relevant things. One being, that we are all relying on third party...
Farmers Agent
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Sep 23, 2006
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Once again Don, you completely miss the mark and twist somebodies words to make it look like you are a delicate little flower. But I'm not going to make this...
Paul Puri
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Sep 23, 2006
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Paul, My posts hardly define a troll.... All podcast ready has to do is change their name...and call their product and service something non Apple related. ...
Farmers Agent
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Sep 23, 2006
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At the end of the Live Tech Podcast Round Table today we will be discussing the Apple issue. Feel free to join the live event that starts at 1:30 Pacific and...
Todd Cochrane
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Sep 23, 2006
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Don, I know you are not a troll. But you just don't get what this group is about. It is a community Podcasting is more than just a word. I am a podcaster. I am...
Paul Puri
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Sep 23, 2006
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... Well said. The word "podcast" was the New Oxford American Dictionary Word of the Year for 2005. The word is *already in the vernacular," so it's too late...
Matthew Wayne Selznick
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Sep 23, 2006
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... Latest silliness: now Leo Laporte wants to do it. Urgh: http://www.twit.tv/2006/09/22/a_cast_by_any_other_name -- Have Fun, Steve Eley (sfeley@...) ...
Stephen Eley
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Sep 23, 2006
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I never liked the word "podcast" and when I started podcasting last July I decided not to use it. Alas, that didn't last long. As much as I don't like the...
George L Smyth
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Sep 23, 2006
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Trademark law is tricky... ... And yes they do.. I ran a nifty little search, *Word Mark* *POD* *Goods and Services* IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S:...
Crash
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Sep 24, 2006
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... Can you tell us where and how you ran that search, Crash? I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'd really like to replicate your results and see other...
Stephen Eley
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Sep 24, 2006
5:59 am

Well I used our in house system to do the search, but it pulls the data from TESS. It might just be a bit buried. Our system is used for large searches, and we...
Crash
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Sep 24, 2006
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Steve, http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=26qm6m.6.494 -KHD ... -- Kevin H. Devin In the Trenches podcast http://kevindevin.com ...
Kevin Devin
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