At 11:55 AM 8/31/2005, Matt May wrote:
>If users intend for their phone to be their podcatcher, they can buy
>an SD/miniSD/Transflash card and either set up podcatching software
>on their device or copy podcasts from their home PC. To be honest, I
>don't see the value proposition here.

*ahem*

paul:
  >I paid $2.00 for a 10 second clip. I think they called
  >it a ringtone. I also paid $2.00 for a picture that
  >only could reside on the tiny screen on my phone. I
  >think it was called wallpaper.

When cell phones are involved, people will pay extra for practically
nothing, especially in places where cell phone providers typically do
not ALLOW free content on phones.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:podcasters@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of paul
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:42 AM
> To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [podcasters] Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
> --- Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:
> > Wait a second.  You're now proposing that people pay
> > $120 a year for
> > the right to receive *commercials* -- then charge
> > them even more for
> > the full content that those commercials advertise?
> > At cellphone
> > quality?  For content that's available at high
> > fidelity for free?
>
> I paid $2.00 for a 10 second clip. I think they called
> it a ringtone. I also paid $2.00 for a picture that
> only could reside on the tiny screen on my phone. I
> think it was called wallpaper.
>
> Obviously I am being sarcastic. But people will buy
> something if it adds value to an existing device they
> own. This could be one of those things.

People will only buy that something if it's safe and familiar. The
psychology of paying for cell phone customization is to "personalize" or
"individualize" the phone with the same ringtones and wallpapers thousands
of other people have. Most people buy a ringtone from a familiar musician
because the song is popular and their friends will recognize it, because
it's a favorite song, or because it will attract attention when the phone
rings.

Very little of the cell phone add-on market has to do with adding value.
It's all about selling emotion.

Jake Ludington

http://www.mediablab.com
http://www.podcastingstarterkit.com

Libsyn is donating as well, and the latest Daily Source Code has a lot about
the effort.

Here's my little bit.

http://libsyn.com/media/noebie/hurricane.mp3

I also but up a link on my main Website at
www.noebie.com<http://www.noebie.com>showing where people can donate.

Brian

On 8/31/05, Brian Noe <noebie@...> wrote:
>
> I made my donation on the web this morning as well, and plan to give blood
> at the next Red Cross drive in our town too.
>
> I recorded a PSA for my three Podcasts this morning and will load it
> today. Wichita Rutherford suggested this a couple days ago.
>
> I hope everyone will pull together on this one.
>
> Noebie
> http://www.noebie.com
>
> On 8/31/05, C.C. Chapman <cc@...> wrote:
> >
> >  That is extremely cool of you guys!
> >
> > I donated last night and also pushed out a PSA on my show at
> > http://accidenthash.podshow.com/?p=93 encouraging others.
> >
> > I've seen what the Red Cross can do on a personal level. They are a
> > great
> > organization and they are only one of many helping during this horrible
> > time.
> >
> >
> > C.C. Chapman
> > Host & Producer, Accident Hash <http://www.accidenthash.com/>
> > Manager, Podshow Podsafe <http://www.podsafemusicnetwork.com/> Music
> > Network
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto: podcasters@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Scott Grayban
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:19 AM
> > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [podcasters] Hurrican donation challenge !!
> >
> >
> > The iPodder Team has donated $1000 to the American Red Cross to help
> > with the hurrican relief in Mississippi and Louisiana.
> >
> > We are asking that everyone on this list that can help please donate
> > or volunteer to help out.
> >
> > The damage done is so devistating. New Orleans and all of the Gulf
> > Coast looks like a war took place. My own friends and family have lost
> > everything and have just what they were wearing when they left.
> >
> > Please help in any manner you can.
> >
> > You can donate by website with paypal or credit card at the sites
> > below:
> >
> > American Red Cross
> >
> > 1-800-HELP-NOW
> > https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp
> > http://www.mississippi-redcross.org/donate.htm#paypal
> >
> > Operation Blessing
> >
> > 1-800-436-6348
> > https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now
> > <https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now&so=3> &so=3
> >
> > America's Second Harvest
> >
> > 1-800-344-8070
> > http://www.secondharvest.org/default2.asp
> >
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> > The iPodder Team
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We are playing a PSA on tomorrows show, and doing a fundraiser here at our
business. Podcast Pickle will match what the employees give, with over 30
emplyees that should turn out to be a nice amount..

On 8/31/05, Brian Noe <noebie@...> wrote:
>
> Libsyn is donating as well, and the latest Daily Source Code has a lot
> about
> the effort.
>
> Here's my little bit.
>
> http://libsyn.com/media/noebie/hurricane.mp3
>
> I also but up a link on my main Website at
> www.noebie.com <http://www.noebie.com><http://www.noebie.com>showing where
> people can donate.
>
> Brian
>
> On 8/31/05, Brian Noe <noebie@...> wrote:
> >
> > I made my donation on the web this morning as well, and plan to give
> blood
> > at the next Red Cross drive in our town too.
> >
> > I recorded a PSA for my three Podcasts this morning and will load it
> > today. Wichita Rutherford suggested this a couple days ago.
> >
> > I hope everyone will pull together on this one.
> >
> > Noebie
> > http://www.noebie.com
> >
> > On 8/31/05, C.C. Chapman <cc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > That is extremely cool of you guys!
> > >
> > > I donated last night and also pushed out a PSA on my show at
> > > http://accidenthash.podshow.com/?p=93 encouraging others.
> > >
> > > I've seen what the Red Cross can do on a personal level. They are a
> > > great
> > > organization and they are only one of many helping during this
> horrible
> > > time.
> > >
> > >
> > > C.C. Chapman
> > > Host & Producer, Accident Hash <http://www.accidenthash.com/>
> > > Manager, Podshow Podsafe <http://www.podsafemusicnetwork.com/> Music
> > > Network
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto: podcasters@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Scott Grayban
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:19 AM
> > > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [podcasters] Hurrican donation challenge !!
> > >
> > >
> > > The iPodder Team has donated $1000 to the American Red Cross to help
> > > with the hurrican relief in Mississippi and Louisiana.
> > >
> > > We are asking that everyone on this list that can help please donate
> > > or volunteer to help out.
> > >
> > > The damage done is so devistating. New Orleans and all of the Gulf
> > > Coast looks like a war took place. My own friends and family have lost
> > > everything and have just what they were wearing when they left.
> > >
> > > Please help in any manner you can.
> > >
> > > You can donate by website with paypal or credit card at the sites
> > > below:
> > >
> > > American Red Cross
> > >
> > > 1-800-HELP-NOW
> > > https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp
> > > http://www.mississippi-redcross.org/donate.htm#paypal
> > >
> > > Operation Blessing
> > >
> > > 1-800-436-6348
> > > https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now
> > > <https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now&so=3> &so=3
> > >
> > > America's Second Harvest
> > >
> > > 1-800-344-8070
> > > http://www.secondharvest.org/default2.asp
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your support,
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> > > The iPodder Team
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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On 8/31/05, paul <prp6040@...> wrote:
>
> I paid $2.00 for a 10 second clip. I think they called
> it a ringtone. I also paid $2.00 for a picture that
> only could reside on the tiny screen on my phone. I
> think it was called wallpaper.

So you're the one who's buying those!  I figured someone had to be.

Now: would you pay $120 per year for a subscription to a ringtone
service?  How about $120 per year for the chance to preview all the
ringtones you wanted, and then a low $0.50 for each ringtone?  Yes,
the scenarios aren't exactly equivalent, but then the ringtone
providers also aren't competing very much against high-quality free
ones.


> Obviously I am being sarcastic. But people will buy
> something if it adds value to an existing device they
> own. This could be one of those things.

Matt May pointed out that smartphones can already get podcasts on them
for free.  While of course that doesn't help users without
smartphones, I suggest that the users of "standard" cellphones
probably also have limited demand for listening to podcasts on them.
The loudspeakers on those cellphones are usually somewhat bad, and are
you going to hold the phone up to your ear for 45 minutes so you can
listen to Dawn & Drew?  Would it be worth ten bucks for you to do
that?

I think if Erik really wants to exploit a phone/podcast convergence
opportunity, he should drop the idea of delivering podcasts over the
voice network for every possible cellphone, and focus on creating
podcatching tools for the RAZR and Treo and other devices capable of
grabbing them via the data stream.

(Damn, more free consulting!  I get caught up in this stuff too easily.)  >8->



--
Have Fun,
    Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
    ESCAPE POD - the SF podcast magazine
    http://escape.extraneous.org

> Not to mention waiting until next Wednesday, because Apple may just
> completely obsolete the idea with the iTunes phone. If they allow
> wireless access to the iTMS, including the podcasting section,
> nobody's going to want to pay more for less functionality.
>
> If users intend for their phone to be their podcatcher, they can buy
> an SD/miniSD/Transflash card and either set up podcatching software
> on their device or copy podcasts from their home PC. To be honest, I
> don't see the value proposition here.

This is a very good point and certainly one that doesn't take Apple making
an announcement to succeed. Already millions of PDA phone owners have access
to music players and data connections that are prepaid. It's a tiny stretch
for these people to download files and transfer them to an SD card (I know
many people already doing this with music, books on tape and other
mainstream listening options). A few apps are available to facilitate
podcatching on Windows Mobile devices.

Why is it people are excited about podcasting in the first place? Part of it
is the lack of corporate programming. Another part is the convenience of
transferring files to a portable device and taking them to go.

Introducing a monthly fee and gatekeeping the files in an effort to tease
them from a pay service flys in the face of what makes podcasting
successful. We've seen this business model before from companies like
Mazingo (never heard of them? There's a reason for that). The model being
discussed here is all about getting paid without any focus on what the
customer actually wants. It's also a model in direct competition with SMS
and other services capable of delivering short-form information more
efficiently.

The discussion about getting podcasts to the phone should be about finding
developers who can add software using the Java platform, Windows CE and
Symbian routes for getting into the cell phone OS. The people paying for
higher end phones are the ones who are more likely to want your information.
This voicemail route targets the lowest common denominator user who buys the
2-fer special at the Verizon store and is still blinking 12:00 with a VCR.

Jake Ludington

http://www.mediablab.com
http://www.podcastingstarterkit.com

On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Stephen Eley wrote:
> Matt May pointed out that smartphones can already get podcasts on them
> for free.  While of course that doesn't help users without
> smartphones

Well, I know there's at least one podcatching app for Series 60, so
the phones don't have to be _that_ smart. They just have to have the
ability to hold a memory card.

My Audiovox smartphone came with a stereo headset and mic, so it's
great for podcasts. My old phone with its mono headset was okay, but
at least it's better quality than the average phone call, and you
don't need to buy another device to do it.

-
m

On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 11:39:53 AM, Stephen Eley wrote:

>> Please tell me a bit more, or point me to info on how these
>> artifacts will come about, and maybe what to listen for. I'd have
>> thought, naively, that a Y adapter would be exactly equivalent to a
>> mixer set full left, full right on the two mics. Is that not the
>> case?

> I can think of two very obvious differences.  The first is that a
> mixer will give you preamps on each mic (and hopefully decent preamps)
> -- meaning that the signal going into the recorder will be line level,
> meaning better sound.

Yes ... then I could change the setting in my cheap little iRiver,
and take advantage of that. I had been figuring that without the
ability to really hear what's happening, the pre-amp wouldn't help
much. But I do have the UB802, and our recording room has a power
plug, so we could try it.

Of course we'll have to use a few crappy components to hook it all
up, from 1/8 on the mics to 1/4 to XLR ... we probably don't want to
go in the LineIn connectors on the 802 ...

BUT WAIT! The 802 has two 1/4 Main Out plugs, L and R. To get that
into the iRiver ... I'll need my Y cable, plus oh lord save me, a
couple of 1/8 to 1/4 adapters. Arrgh ...

I guess I'll fiddle with it a bit and see what I can hear ...

> The second is that a $2.99 Radio Shack Y-adapter is probably not going
> to be built with scrupulous attention to shielding or connector
> quality.  Every component that has to be plugged in an analog chain
> adds some loss; a crappy component may be lossier.

Hey, back off! I'll have you know that I paid $5.99 for this crappy
component! ;->

Thanks,

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
You don't need to see my identification.
These aren't the ideas you're looking for. Move along.

On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 1:16:56 PM, Ron Jeffries wrote:

>> I can think of two very obvious differences.  The first is that a
>> mixer will give you preamps on each mic (and hopefully decent preamps)
>> -- meaning that the signal going into the recorder will be line level,
>> meaning better sound.

> Yes ... then I could change the setting in my cheap little iRiver,
> and take advantage of that. I had been figuring that without the
> ability to really hear what's happening, the pre-amp wouldn't help
> much. But I do have the UB802, and our recording room has a power
> plug, so we could try it.

> Of course we'll have to use a few crappy components to hook it all
> up, from 1/8 on the mics to 1/4 to XLR ... we probably don't want to
> go in the LineIn connectors on the 802 ...

> BUT WAIT! The 802 has two 1/4 Main Out plugs, L and R. To get that
> into the iRiver ... I'll need my Y cable, plus oh lord save me, a
> couple of 1/8 to 1/4 adapters. Arrgh ...

> I guess I'll fiddle with it a bit and see what I can hear ...

Yes, well. "Not so much." The UB802 output is, as I said, two 1/4
inch L/R, both to main, and a single 1/4 to phones. My 1/4 to 1/8
adapters are all mono, I guess. I think that's probably why, no
matter which side I plug into to check things, I can only get sound
in my left ear.

So, to get to the iRiver, I need 1/4 mono to some kind of stereo 1/8
plug for the iRiver LineIn socket. Like my existing Y cable? Plus
the 1/4 to 1/8 adapters?

And on the input side, I need mic (1/8) to XLR, which I can do with
a 1/4 to XLR, and 1/8 to 1/4, both mono. I think I have those.

Not sure this is really progress, but look for the cable and adapter
companies' stock to shoot up soon ...

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
Get over it.  -- The Eagles

On Aug 31, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Ron Jeffries wrote:
>> BUT WAIT! The 802 has two 1/4 Main Out plugs, L and R. To get that
>> into the iRiver ... I'll need my Y cable, plus oh lord save me, a
>> couple of 1/8 to 1/4 adapters. Arrgh ...

The UB802 also has an RCA "Tape Out" line-level output. That's what I
run into my recorder. I don't even mess with the main. Or maybe I
missed a portion of this thread...

-
m

On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 1:54:49 PM, Matt May wrote:

> On Aug 31, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Ron Jeffries wrote:
>>> BUT WAIT! The 802 has two 1/4 Main Out plugs, L and R. To get that
>>> into the iRiver ... I'll need my Y cable, plus oh lord save me, a
>>> couple of 1/8 to 1/4 adapters. Arrgh ...

> The UB802 also has an RCA "Tape Out" line-level output. That's what I
> run into my recorder. I don't even mess with the main. Or maybe I
> missed a portion of this thread...

Yes. It has two of those R/L, also. The iRiver, which I use to
record, has a single stereo 1/8 inch input plug.

We started this exercise because people think my y-cable may cause
problems. To fix those problems, it takes the following, or its
equivalent:

   Two mic 1/8 to 1/4 adapters, to plug the mics into;
   Two 1/4 to XLR adapters, to plug the mic adapters into;
   Two RCA or 1/4 to 1/8 adapters to pick up the output;
   ... and the //original 1/8 mono to stereo y cable(!)//
       to bring it into the iRiver.

Unless I'm missing something obvious, of course, which often
happens.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
Will Turner: This is either madness or brilliance.
Captain Jack Sparrow: It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide.

> We started this exercise because people think my y-cable may cause
> problems. To fix those problems, it takes the following, or its
> equivalent:
>
>   Two mic 1/8 to 1/4 adapters, to plug the mics into;
>   Two 1/4 to XLR adapters, to plug the mic adapters into;
>   Two RCA or 1/4 to 1/8 adapters to pick up the output;
>   ... and the //original 1/8 mono to stereo y cable(!)//
>       to bring it into the iRiver.
>
> Unless I'm missing something obvious, of course, which often
> happens.

There's a major difference in outputting a mixed signal and the individual
raw inputs from two microphones. By coming out of the mixer, you have
control over the two sides of the conversation being approximately the same
volume. Going straight into the iRiver, you have no control over one party
being significantly louder (or softer) than the other.

Jake Ludington

http://www.mediablab.com
http://www.podcastingstarterkit.com

Is it valuable to be notified when a new episode of
your favorite podcast is available?

Is it valuable to be able to hear it on your phone?

Would podcasters like to sell secure access to their
podcasts?

I think so. I also think that the carriers are eager
to provide more services. Soon I think that the
carriers will pay for great podcast programming and
provide it to their customers at a very low cost.

I think we can help to get this started by allowing
the early adopters to tinker with the model before the
big fish do it.

I think that we can all do well here. Hopefully we can
shift a little money from the big fish to the little
fish in the process.

Erik

A special edition of the MWS Media Radio Show podcast, episode 45.5, has
just posted at http://podcasts.mwsmedia.com.  In it, I describe MWS
Media's September campaign to raise $10,000 to be distributed equally
between charities confirmed to have a direct commitment to assisting in
this cause.

Additionally, net monies donated to MWS Media during our August "Break
Even" fund drive -- $85.00 -- are now being allocated to this new
September fund cause.  Those who donated in August that do not want
their donation to go toward assisting the victims of Katrina will get
their money back, and shame on them.

It's encouraging to note that other podcasters have created similar
drives.  Let's get the word out to podcasters, listeners, and anyone
else who will listen... please visit http://podcasts.mwsmedia.com for
more information, or subscribe to the feed at
http://feeds.feedburner.com/mwsmediaradio.

Sincere thanks, and please spread the word.  Feel free to play the
podcast, or portions of it, in your own shows.

--
Matthew Wayne Selznick
MWS Media
http://www.mwsmedia.com
505-DIY-0386
SKYPE:  mwsmedia
"Because doing it yourself
should never mean going it alone."

> Is it valuable to be notified when a new episode of
> your favorite podcast is available?

Yes, which is why I subscribe to my favorite podcasts - I'm notified
automatically.

> Is it valuable to be able to hear it on your phone?

Depends. I use my Smartphone to listen to podcasts because I have one less
thing in my pocket. However, the process for subscribing/listening is just
like the process would be for anyone with an iPod.

> Would podcasters like to sell secure access to their
> podcasts?

Maybe, but where's the market for charging people for something they already
get just as easily and for free.

>
> I think so. I also think that the carriers are eager
> to provide more services. Soon I think that the
> carriers will pay for great podcast programming and
> provide it to their customers at a very low cost.

Since the carriers get minute money in this scenario, it makes more sense
for the carriers to pay a small licensing fee to podcasters and give the
podcasts away as part of a service  offering.

> I think we can help to get this started by allowing
> the early adopters to tinker with the model before the
> big fish do it.

The early adopters all have Smartphones/Blackberrys/Treos and don't need it.
This is old thinking. The market is moving away from a model where the
service providers have all the control. The market is moving toward
convergent devices with phone service and hard drives.

> I think that we can all do well here. Hopefully we can
> shift a little money from the big fish to the little
> fish in the process.

Technically it's moving money from the little fish to the little fish,
unless you think all cell phone customers have deep pockets.

Jake Ludington

http://www.mediablab.com
http://www.podcastingstarterkit.com

On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 2:17:34 PM, Jake Ludington wrote:

>> We started this exercise because people think my y-cable may cause
>> problems. To fix those problems, it takes the following, or its
>> equivalent:
>>
>>   Two mic 1/8 to 1/4 adapters, to plug the mics into;
>>   Two 1/4 to XLR adapters, to plug the mic adapters into;
>>   Two RCA or 1/4 to 1/8 adapters to pick up the output;
>>   ... and the //original 1/8 mono to stereo y cable(!)//
>>       to bring it into the iRiver.
>>
>> Unless I'm missing something obvious, of course, which often
>> happens.

> There's a major difference in outputting a mixed signal and the individual
> raw inputs from two microphones. By coming out of the mixer, you have
> control over the two sides of the conversation being approximately the same
> volume. Going straight into the iRiver, you have no control over one party
> being significantly louder (or softer) than the other.

Yes, there is. I can tell that already. I can make myself sound like
Garrison Keillor, and Chet sound like Minnie Mouse. And, at least
using my ears, since there are no meters on the iRiver, I can get us
to equal loudness. I can do that in post, however.

What is interesting is the amazing lashup of wires it takes to do
that, including the y-cable that folks originally objected to. ;->

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
Inigo Montoya: You are wonderful!
Man in Black: Thank you. I have worked hard to become so.

On 8/31/05, Matt May <mcmay@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:55 AM, James Cridland wrote:
> > Hmm. Without music, a music show is going to be a very dull listen:
> > so don't
> > kid yourself that you're doing it for the musicians. You're not -
> > you're
> > doing it to make your own (music) podcast more listened-to.
>
> You don't know a damn thing about my motivations.


No, that's true. If you want to produce a podcast but don't care whether
anyone listens to it, that's fine by me. I do know a lot about what makes
things popular, though, and that's what I strive for.

> Of course artists et al. deserve a cut when you're profiting off of
> their work. But in these discussions, nobody seems to think that we
> as podcasters have any power in this situation.


Well, I agree. I think we're minnows in comparison to the record companies.

I work for one of the biggest broadcasters in the UK - and we're podcasting.
I'd like to think I've slightly more power in terms of making record
companies understand what they're talking about in terms of podcasting - so
I can actually help all of us here - if, at least, we all live in the real
world. But I'm still a tiny minnow.

Record companies simply won't take podcasting seriously if they perceive
that the same old tired internet-radio arguments are being re-run again. "We
promote artists" simply isn't a sensible argument to take. "We only play
artists who let us play their stuff free" essentially means, to them, "We
don't play any artists that anyone's ever heard of, and therefore we'll
never make any money, and therefore won't make any record company any
money". It didn't wash for internet radio; it certainly won't wash for a
downloadable medium.

Podcasts are driving real sales and real
> attention. Ask the Lascivious Biddies, or Samantha Murphy, or Rocket
> City Riot, or Jonathan Coulton, or Rob Costlow.


Your point made entirely. I've never heard of any of these artists.
Seriously. Genuinely, who are they? (And if I'm asking that, what might your
potential audience be asking?)

Now, if you want to continue arguing your point of view, that's a fine thing
by me: but the rest of us in the real world want to get something sorted
with record companies. The last thing we need is a re-run of arguments that
simply have no foundation in real life.

As you say - peace. But let's make sure this is proper peace, not an uneasy
truce.

j


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A nice implementation, I think.  NPR programs aren't podcasting in
full, since that would piss off local stations to no end.  The
directory does include public radio podcasts from (what I presume to
be) local NPR stations (sadly, my station is not an NPR station, and is
thus out of the loop).  I'll see if I can figure out exactly who gets
to be in the directory... if anyone knows, let me know.

http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_directory.php

Again, this was first reported on http://www.iloveradio.org , run by
the CBC's Tod Maffin, who does a great job keeping us all up to date on
the intersection of public radio & podcasting.

Jesse
The Sound of Young America
http://www.splangy.com/radio/

On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:07 PM, James Cridland wrote:
>
> Podcasts are driving real sales and real
>
>> attention. Ask the Lascivious Biddies, or Samantha Murphy, or Rocket
>> City Riot, or Jonathan Coulton, or Rob Costlow.
>>
>
>
> Your point made entirely. I've never heard of any of these artists.
> Seriously. Genuinely, who are they? (And if I'm asking that, what
> might your
> potential audience be asking?)

They are the Long Tail in action. These are artists who have sold
hundreds or thousands of records independently over the last year
because they opened their music up to podcasters. If you've listened
to almost any music podcast in the last 6 months, chances are you've
heard one or more of them.

Podcasting is not a vehicle for big-head sales: popular artists
already have MTV plus radio airplay. And anyway, I have yet to hear a
music podcast with a playlist like a commercial radio station. That's
exactly what most of us _don't_ want to sound like. And it's what
most of our _listeners_ don't want us to sound like. They want to
hear new artists, or be reminded of old artists. If they want to hear
"Toxic" for the 30,000th time, they can turn on the radio.

Record labels (theoretically) lose money on over 90% of their
releases. Instead of shaking their fists at us for stealing out of
the Lindsay Lohan Sandwich Fund, they should be using us as the
outlet for music that can't fit in a radio format.

The other big issue is that none of us indie podcasters have UKP1600/
yr or $550/yr to do a music show with 50 listeners, much less to deal
with the nightmare when the label demands payment for the master.
Virgin obviously has the money for the former, but the latter is
scaring everyone away, and the labels need to acknowledge that their
music isn't going to get podcast until they make an exemption to
their claim to the master.

So, here's a license that'd be sensible to me: I get royalty-free
play of anything outside the top 100 or even 200 albums of the month.
The licensor must allow my show to be DRM-free and feature full-
length tracks (i.e., none of this 60-second limit crap). In exchange,
I'll link every track to its purchase page in iTMS and/or Amazon or
whatever else. (Though I'll take a cut via Amazon Affiliates, etc.)
When the technology is ready for it, I'll embed purchase info in the
MP3 itself. I'll agree not to take other paid advertising. During the
show, I'll give track name, artist, album, and label info for each
song I play. I'll also certify that I personally paid for the tracks
I play (meaning they know they got at least one sale). I'd even agree
to limit my bitrate to 96kbps. The licensors can track sales that
came from each of the podcasts under this regime, and they can
prohibit full-album spins and anything else that would threaten
sales. They can even mine playlists for potential hits that their A&R
people missed.

For commercial podcast or hybrid radio-podcast outlets, something
like the current regime for streaming would be acceptable, as long as
the labels agree that a produced podcast is not mechanical
reproduction and thus not subject to the master use right and
mechanical royalties. If we can't get the labels to agree to that, we
should legislate it. The situation we're in now is worthless for all
involved, including the labels.

-
m

On 8/31/05, James Cridland <james@...> wrote:
>
> Your point made entirely. I've never heard of any of these artists.
> Seriously. Genuinely, who are they? (And if I'm asking that, what might your
> potential audience be asking?)

His "potential" audience probably isn't asking anything -- they'll
listen to the show based on the style he claims to play or the
recommendations of friends, not the names of specific artists he
plays.

And his real audience doesn't have to ask either, because they just
heard the music.  Isn't that the point?


--
Have Fun,
    Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
    ESCAPE POD - the SF podcast magazine
    http://escape.extraneous.org

Greetings folks, Pirateweather.com <http://Pirateweather.com> checking back
in to let you know what is going on with our Local Weather Podcasts. We have
extended our podcast to cover the world, or at least every airport ICAO in
the world. The last time we checked in was to announce that we added Local
Weather Podcasts for every Zip Code in the USA. We were doing GREAT until
iTunes dropped us for adding too many feeds to their service. They called us
and said they would be creating a special Category for Weather and they
would be moving us over. Well what they said and what they did are two
different things, ;( . They deleted us completely from the directory. So now
we have very little traffic because we have no vehicle for distribution. On
the other hand we really like what odeo.com <http://odeo.com> is doing they
have us listed and search able. just type in you zip code and boom there we
are. Has anyone out there had a similar experience with iTunes? If so we
would love to know how to resolve our problem. We send them an email almost
daily with no response.

Respectfully, Robbie Schmelzer callrob@...

On 31 Aug 2005 17:08:37 -0000, podcasters@yahoogroups.com <
podcasters@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: Music Licensing for UK podcasts just got a whole lot easier...
> From: James Cridland <james@...>
> 2. Re: Re: How are people selling Podcasts?
> From: James Cridland <james@...>
> 3. Re: using skype
> From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
> 4. Re: Re: How are people selling Podcasts?
> From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
> 5. Re: Re: Mobile Podcasting using the Edirol R1 portable recorder
> From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
> 6. Re: Re[2]: Sample rates
> From: Dennis Hays <dhays@...>
> 7. Audition Question: Cue and Play List
> From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
> 8. Re: using skype
> From: "Tim Elliott" <twelliott@...>
> 9. Hurrican donation challenge !!
> From: "Scott Grayban" <evilborg2001@...>
> 10. RE: Hurrican donation challenge !!
> From: "C.C. Chapman" <cc@...>
> 11. Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: paul <prp6040@...>
> 12. Re: Music Licensing for UK podcasts just got a whole lot easier...
> From: Matt May <mcmay@...>
> 13. Re: Hurrican donation challenge !!
> From: Brian Noe <noebie@...>
> 14. Re: Re: How are people selling Podcasts?
> From: Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>
> 15. Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>
> 16. Re: Re: Mobile Podcasting using the Edirol R1 portable recorder
> From: Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>
> 17. Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: paul <prp6040@...>
> 18. Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: Matt May <mcmay@...>
> 19. Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: matt kane's brain <mkb@...>
> 20. RE: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: "Jake Ludington" <jake@...>
> 21. Re: Hurrican donation challenge !!
> From: Brian Noe <noebie@...>
> 22. Re: Hurrican donation challenge !!
> From: "P. Dilly" <podcastpickle@...>
> 23. Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>
> 24. RE: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: "Jake Ludington" <jake@...>
> 25. Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> From: Matt May <mcmay@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:47 +0100
> From: James Cridland <james@...>
> Subject: Re: Music Licensing for UK podcasts just got a whole lot
> easier...
>
> On 8/30/05, Matt May <mcmay@...> wrote:
> >
> > James Cridland wrote:
> > >To claim that we're
> > >just promoting their product, as a previous poster did in this
> > >"conversation" is naive, since without their product, our podcasts
> would
> > be
> > >poorer - we want to include music in our podcasts because we know
> that'll
> > >make them better, right?
> >
> > It's not naive in the slightest, thanks. Any performance of a song on a
> > music show is a sign of advocacy on the part of the programmer for a
> > given track. While podcasters certainly have something to gain in terms
> > of social connections (read: "cool factor"), all of the financial
> > benefit in this arrangement accrues to the publishers and labels.
>
>
> Hmm. Without music, a music show is going to be a very dull listen: so
> don't
> kid yourself that you're doing it for the musicians. You're not - you're
> doing it to make your own (music) podcast more listened-to.
>
> I'm not doubting that performance of a song is advocacy on the part of the
> programmer for a given track; but it's naive to expect that you can take
> someone's work and re-use it for free for your own personal gain (whether
> financial or otherwise). Some people allow you, in the form of creative
> commons licensing - but most people have a living to make from their job,
> whether that's as a professional musician or otherwise.
>
> Nobody can say with a straight face that a collection of tracks
> > distributed as an MP3 with a DJ talking over it is in any way harming
> > the record industry. All signs point to exactly the opposite.
>
>
> "All signs"? Are these the signs that pointed to Napster being a BENEFIT
> to
> the record industry? What about the signs in the real world?
>
> Now - yes, I'm playing devil's advocate here, because I don't believe it's
> entirely as black and white as I'm painting. However, to claim that you
> have
> a god-given right to use other peoples' work for free, for your own
> personal
> gain, is clearly wrong.
>
> --
> http://james.cridland.net/contacting_me/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:59:40 +0100
> From: James Cridland <james@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: How are people selling Podcasts?
>
> On 8/31/05, Lloyd Davis <lloyd@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sunshine is free, it wants to be free but it can also bring you
> > customers and put them in the mood to spend their money. And that's
> > what damned fine writing, sounds & pictures should aspire to do too."
>
>
> Except the sun doesn't have to eat.
>
> Writers, recordists and photographers need to earn a living too.
>
> I was a copywriter in a former life, and yes, I also needed to earn enough
> to eat.
>
> --
> http://james.cridland.net/contacting_me/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:19:02 -0400
> From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
> Subject: Re: using skype
>
> On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 12:33:38 AM, gjaxson01 wrote:
>
> > I am having trouble recording skypoe converstations. I am using a USB
> microphone and
> > audio hijack to try an capture audio but I only get one side of the
> converstation.
>
> That's how Skype works, on its own.
>
> > ANy
> > suggestions. I have garage band and soundtraks and am wanting to conduct
> my podcast
> > using skype since my cohost lives 1200 miles away.
>
> I googled Skype recording and found lots of good info, including a
> reference to HotRecorder at
>
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/cs_msg/62570
>
> pointing to www.hotrecorder.com <http://www.hotrecorder.com>
>
> Mysteriously, this is a program that Chet is trying to get us to
> try.
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com <http://www.XProgramming.com>
> The work teaches us. -- Richard Gabriel
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:23:07 -0400
> From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: How are people selling Podcasts?
>
> On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 3:59:00 AM, Lloyd Davis wrote:
>
> > And that's
> > what damned fine writing, sounds & pictures should aspire to do too."
>
> And a damned good example of a fine metaphor right here. Excellent.
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com <http://www.XProgramming.com>
> Find the simple path to what works and follow it,
> always looking for a simpler path. -- Patrick D. Smith
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:27:25 -0400
> From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Mobile Podcasting using the Edirol R1 portable recorder
>
> On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 4:51:05 AM, Gavin Impett wrote:
>
> > The mic is approx. 14 inches, - the same as John Homes AKA Johnny
> > Wadd, according to my Mac using moviememe co-host - on the same field
> > test. I'll put that up when I get back.
>
> Thanks ... a little TMI though ... ;->
>
> > Part of the problem you are going to run into is using a Y adapter
> > instead of a mixer and then compressing into an mp3 format will
> > introduce artifacts that won't show up until you complete the cycle -
> > meaning you test by playing-back your recording from a download.
>
> Please tell me a bit more, or point me to info on how these
> artifacts will come about, and maybe what to listen for. I'd have
> thought, naively, that a Y adapter would be exactly equivalent to a
> mixer set full left, full right on the two mics. Is that not the
> case?
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com <http://www.XProgramming.com>
> Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future. --
> Niels Bohr
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:08:34 -0400
> From: Dennis Hays <dhays@...>
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sample rates
>
> I'm good at english but my math is suspect... Thanks for
> this catch.
>
> Dennis
>
> Quoting Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>:
>
> > On 8/30/05, Dennis Hays <dhays@...> wrote:
> >> Hello Matthew,
> >>
> >> I would suggest using 20.5khz as that is a multiple of 44.1. Some
> >> flash players may have problems with rates different than that.
> >
> > You mean 22.05. I believe that's what he said he was using.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Have Fun,
> > Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
> > ESCAPE POD - the SF podcast magazine
> > http://escape.extraneous.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dennis Hays
> Secrets of Digital Imaging Audio Magazine
> http://www.imagingsecrets.com
> http://www.haysdesign.com
> +1 518.479.4220
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:55:20 -0400
> From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
> Subject: Audition Question: Cue and Play List
>
> I'm just learning Adobe Audition, so be gentle, please.
>
> I see that it has "Cues", which are ranges of audio.
> It also has a "Play List", which is an ordered collections of cues.
>
> Seems cool.
>
> But what can you do with it? Having built it, you can play it.
> But is there some way to rearrange the track to match the play list,
> and the like?
>
> It appears there is exactly one play list per track. There is the
> "Insert/File/Cue List" menu item, which will make a new track of a
> cue. Then you could drag those around somehow ...
>
> Advise me, please, on these Cue and Play List things?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com <http://www.XProgramming.com>
> You are to act in the light of experience as guided by intelligence.
> -- Nero Wolfe
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:01:50 -0000
> From: "Tim Elliott" <twelliott@...>
> Subject: Re: using skype
>
> --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "gjaxson01" <gjaxson01@y...> wrote:
> > I am having trouble recording skypoe converstations. I am using a
> USB microphone and
> > audio hijack to try an capture audio but I only get one side of the
> converstation. ANy
> > suggestions. I have garage band and soundtraks and am wanting to
> conduct my podcast
> > using skype since my cohost lives 1200 miles away.
>
>
>
> The most authoritative source for this are Doug Kaye's posts:
>
>
>
http://www.rds.com/blogs/doug/index.php/archives/2005/07/14/interviews-via-skype\
/
>
>
>
http://www.rds.com/blogs/doug/index.php/archives/2005/07/22/interviews-via-skype\
-revisited/
>
> Also read the comments posted there for other combinations.
>
> Good luck,
> --
> Tim Elliott
> Winecast
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:18:52 -0000
> From: "Scott Grayban" <evilborg2001@...>
> Subject: Hurrican donation challenge !!
>
> The iPodder Team has donated $1000 to the American Red Cross to help
> with the hurrican relief in Mississippi and Louisiana.
>
> We are asking that everyone on this list that can help please donate
> or volunteer to help out.
>
> The damage done is so devistating. New Orleans and all of the Gulf
> Coast looks like a war took place. My own friends and family have lost
> everything and have just what they were wearing when they left.
>
> Please help in any manner you can.
>
> You can donate by website with paypal or credit card at the sites
> below:
>
> American Red Cross
>
> 1-800-HELP-NOW
> https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp
> http://www.mississippi-redcross.org/donate.htm#paypal
>
> Operation Blessing
>
> 1-800-436-6348
> https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now&so=3
>
> America's Second Harvest
>
> 1-800-344-8070
> http://www.secondharvest.org/default2.asp
>
> Thanks for all your support,
> Scott Grayban
> The iPodder Team
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:51:32 -0400
> From: "C.C. Chapman" <cc@...>
> Subject: RE: Hurrican donation challenge !!
>
> That is extremely cool of you guys!
>
> I donated last night and also pushed out a PSA on my show at
> http://accidenthash.podshow.com/?p=93 encouraging others.
>
> I've seen what the Red Cross can do on a personal level. They are a great
> organization and they are only one of many helping during this horrible
> time.
>
>
> C.C. Chapman
> Host & Producer, Accident Hash <http://www.accidenthash.com/>
> Manager, Podshow Podsafe <http://www.podsafemusicnetwork.com/> Music
> Network
>
>
> _____
>
> From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:podcasters@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Scott Grayban
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:19 AM
> To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [podcasters] Hurrican donation challenge !!
>
>
> The iPodder Team has donated $1000 to the American Red Cross to help
> with the hurrican relief in Mississippi and Louisiana.
>
> We are asking that everyone on this list that can help please donate
> or volunteer to help out.
>
> The damage done is so devistating. New Orleans and all of the Gulf
> Coast looks like a war took place. My own friends and family have lost
> everything and have just what they were wearing when they left.
>
> Please help in any manner you can.
>
> You can donate by website with paypal or credit card at the sites
> below:
>
> American Red Cross
>
> 1-800-HELP-NOW
> https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp
> http://www.mississippi-redcross.org/donate.htm#paypal
>
> Operation Blessing
>
> 1-800-436-6348
> https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now
> <https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now&so=3> &so=3
>
> America's Second Harvest
>
> 1-800-344-8070
> http://www.secondharvest.org/default2.asp
>
> Thanks for all your support,
> Scott Grayban
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> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:09:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: paul <prp6040@...>
> Subject: Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
> --- Erik Herz <erik@...> wrote:
> > Chris and Paul,
> > Your promotional "mini-cast" idea is great and
> > perfect
> > for my model.
>
> That will be $200.00 please.
> But seriously, it was Chris who came up with it, I
> just loved the idea.
>
> > How does this sound?
> > Would you pay 10 bucks per month for the alert
> > service?
> > Would you pay 50 cents to hear a podcast on your
> > phone?
> > Would you delay the release of your next podcast
> > episode a few days if I could give you a quarter
> > each
> > time someone played the podcast on their phone?
>
> I would subscribe to a service as long as the content
> was a little polished and seemed worth the money. A
> guy on a mic talking about how greasy his hair is when
> he gets up in the morning would not appeal to me. But
> that's just me;)
>
> And I wouldn't mind making some money, as long as I am
> in total control of the content, which sounds like
> what you have to offer.
>
> I look forward to the evolution of your venture.
>
>
>
> Paul Puri
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:13:17 -0700
> From: Matt May <mcmay@...>
> Subject: Re: Music Licensing for UK podcasts just got a whole lot
> easier...
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:55 AM, James Cridland wrote:
> > Hmm. Without music, a music show is going to be a very dull listen:
> > so don't
> > kid yourself that you're doing it for the musicians. You're not -
> > you're
> > doing it to make your own (music) podcast more listened-to.
>
> You don't know a damn thing about my motivations.
>
> > I'm not doubting that performance of a song is advocacy on the part
> > of the
> > programmer for a given track; but it's naive to expect that you can
> > take
> > someone's work and re-use it for free for your own personal gain
> > (whether
> > financial or otherwise). Some people allow you, in the form of
> > creative
> > commons licensing - but most people have a living to make from
> > their job,
> > whether that's as a professional musician or otherwise.
>
> I'm familiar with the Creative Commons license. Mine was the first
> show to feature CC artists exclusively.
>
> Of course artists et al. deserve a cut when you're profiting off of
> their work. But in these discussions, nobody seems to think that we
> as podcasters have any power in this situation. We'll just have to
> sit back and take whatever they impose on us: auditing, DRM, large
> minimum payments, whatever. That's absurd. If they don't want to
> reach new audiences, there are thousands of worthy artists who do.
>
> >> distributed as an MP3 with a DJ talking over it is in any way harming
> >> the record industry. All signs point to exactly the opposite.
> >
> >
> > "All signs"? Are these the signs that pointed to Napster being a
> > BENEFIT to
> > the record industry? What about the signs in the real world?
>
> Who's stealing music by stripping 64kbps versions of songs out of
> music podcasts with an MP3 editor rather than buying the CD in the
> store? Far fewer than the number who tape songs off the radio. Now,
> who's bought music they heard first on a music podcast? I have. Stuff
> I never would have heard on the radio, that the label (if any) can't
> even be arsed to promote. Podcasts are driving real sales and real
> attention. Ask the Lascivious Biddies, or Samantha Murphy, or Rocket
> City Riot, or Jonathan Coulton, or Rob Costlow.
>
> > Now - yes, I'm playing devil's advocate here, because I don't
> > believe it's
> > entirely as black and white as I'm painting. However, to claim that
> > you have
> > a god-given right to use other peoples' work for free, for your own
> > personal
> > gain, is clearly wrong.
>
> Which I never did. Not even close. Read for content, pal.
>
> We're done here. Peace out.
>
> -
> m
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:19:56 -0500
> From: Brian Noe <noebie@...>
> Subject: Re: Hurrican donation challenge !!
>
> I made my donation on the web this morning as well, and plan to give blood
> at the next Red Cross drive in our town too.
>
> I recorded a PSA for my three Podcasts this morning and will load it
> today.
> Wichita Rutherford suggested this a couple days ago.
>
> I hope everyone will pull together on this one.
>
> Noebie
> http://www.noebie.com
>
> On 8/31/05, C.C. Chapman <cc@...> wrote:
> >
> > That is extremely cool of you guys!
> >
> > I donated last night and also pushed out a PSA on my show at
> > http://accidenthash.podshow.com/?p=93 encouraging others.
> >
> > I've seen what the Red Cross can do on a personal level. They are a
> great
> > organization and they are only one of many helping during this horrible
> > time.
> >
> >
> > C.C. Chapman
> > Host & Producer, Accident Hash <http://www.accidenthash.com/>
> > Manager, Podshow Podsafe <http://www.podsafemusicnetwork.com/> Music
> > Network
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:podcasters@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Scott Grayban
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:19 AM
> > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [podcasters] Hurrican donation challenge !!
> >
> >
> > The iPodder Team has donated $1000 to the American Red Cross to help
> > with the hurrican relief in Mississippi and Louisiana.
> >
> > We are asking that everyone on this list that can help please donate
> > or volunteer to help out.
> >
> > The damage done is so devistating. New Orleans and all of the Gulf
> > Coast looks like a war took place. My own friends and family have lost
> > everything and have just what they were wearing when they left.
> >
> > Please help in any manner you can.
> >
> > You can donate by website with paypal or credit card at the sites
> > below:
> >
> > American Red Cross
> >
> > 1-800-HELP-NOW
> > https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp
> > http://www.mississippi-redcross.org/donate.htm#paypal
> >
> > Operation Blessing
> >
> > 1-800-436-6348
> > https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now
> > <https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now&so=3> &so=3
> >
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> >
> > 1-800-344-8070
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:13:27 -0400
> From: Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: How are people selling Podcasts?
>
> On 8/31/05, James Cridland <james@...> wrote:
> >
> > Except the sun doesn't have to eat.
> > Writers, recordists and photographers need to earn a living too.
> > I was a copywriter in a former life, and yes, I also needed to earn
> enough
> > to eat.
>
> My podcast pays authors for their work, gives it away for free, and makes
> money.
>
> There are ways to make it work. Be creative.
>
> --
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:23:51 -0400
> From: Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>
> Subject: Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
> On 8/31/05, Erik Herz <erik@...> wrote:
> >
> > 3. I then would recommend that they delay the public
> > RSS release of their .mp3 podcast episode a few days
> > and let me sell "plays" of their episodes from my
> > partner phone carriers. When my $10 per month
> > subscription customers get the promotional mini-cast
> > as voicemail they would be given an option to listen
> > to the whole thing from their phone at a very low
> > cost. I would pay the podcast content owner a royalty
> > for each play.
>
> Wait a second. You're now proposing that people pay $120 a year for
> the right to receive *commercials* -- then charge them even more for
> the full content that those commercials advertise? At cellphone
> quality? For content that's available at high fidelity for free?
>
> I gave you my advice on market research yesterday; I won't repeat it.
> But it seems to me like you're sort of flailing here. I think you
> need to step back and ask yourself what it is you're really trying to
> sell, and why it's important to you.
>
>
> --
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:39:53 -0400
> From: Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Mobile Podcasting using the Edirol R1 portable recorder
>
> On 8/31/05, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:
> >
> > Please tell me a bit more, or point me to info on how these
> > artifacts will come about, and maybe what to listen for. I'd have
> > thought, naively, that a Y adapter would be exactly equivalent to a
> > mixer set full left, full right on the two mics. Is that not the
> > case?
>
> I can think of two very obvious differences. The first is that a
> mixer will give you preamps on each mic (and hopefully decent preamps)
> -- meaning that the signal going into the recorder will be line level,
> meaning better sound.
>
> The second is that a $2.99 Radio Shack Y-adapter is probably not going
> to be built with scrupulous attention to shielding or connector
> quality. Every component that has to be plugged in an analog chain
> adds some loss; a crappy component may be lossier.
>
> --
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: paul <prp6040@...>
> Subject: Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
> --- Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:
> > Wait a second. You're now proposing that people pay
> > $120 a year for
> > the right to receive *commercials* -- then charge
> > them even more for
> > the full content that those commercials advertise?
> > At cellphone
> > quality? For content that's available at high
> > fidelity for free?
>
> I paid $2.00 for a 10 second clip. I think they called
> it a ringtone. I also paid $2.00 for a picture that
> only could reside on the tiny screen on my phone. I
> think it was called wallpaper.
>
> Obviously I am being sarcastic. But people will buy
> something if it adds value to an existing device they
> own. This could be one of those things.
>
> > I gave you my advice on market research yesterday; I
> > won't repeat it.
> > But it seems to me like you're sort of flailing
> > here. I think you
> > need to step back and ask yourself what it is you're
> > really trying to
> > sell, and why it's important to you.
>
> I think he is trying to get the input of podcasters
> and get a feel for what could work. I consider that
> research. And it is free. Your advice is very much
> correct, but is not the only way of doing things. He
> should take heed to your words about what you said
> yesterday.
>
>
>
> Paul Puri
> Unsigned Podcast Network
>
> Skype:unsignedpodcast
> The site: http://www.unsignedpodcast.com/
> The blog: http://unsignedpodcast.blogspot.com/
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:55:24 -0700
> From: Matt May <mcmay@...>
> Subject: Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Stephen Eley wrote:
>
> > I think you
> > need to step back and ask yourself what it is you're really trying to
> > sell, and why it's important to you.
>
> Not to mention waiting until next Wednesday, because Apple may just
> completely obsolete the idea with the iTunes phone. If they allow
> wireless access to the iTMS, including the podcasting section,
> nobody's going to want to pay more for less functionality.
>
> If users intend for their phone to be their podcatcher, they can buy
> an SD/miniSD/Transflash card and either set up podcatching software
> on their device or copy podcasts from their home PC. To be honest, I
> don't see the value proposition here.
>
> -
> m
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:00:47 -0400
> From: matt kane's brain <mkb@...>
> Subject: Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
> At 11:55 AM 8/31/2005, Matt May wrote:
> >If users intend for their phone to be their podcatcher, they can buy
> >an SD/miniSD/Transflash card and either set up podcatching software
> >on their device or copy podcasts from their home PC. To be honest, I
> >don't see the value proposition here.
>
> *ahem*
>
> paul:
> >I paid $2.00 for a 10 second clip. I think they called
> >it a ringtone. I also paid $2.00 for a picture that
> >only could reside on the tiny screen on my phone. I
> >think it was called wallpaper.
>
> When cell phones are involved, people will pay extra for practically
> nothing, especially in places where cell phone providers typically do
> not ALLOW free content on phones.
> --
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:42:04 -0700
> From: "Jake Ludington" <jake@...>
> Subject: RE: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:podcasters@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of paul
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:42 AM
> > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [podcasters] Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
> >
> > --- Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:
> > > Wait a second. You're now proposing that people pay
> > > $120 a year for
> > > the right to receive *commercials* -- then charge
> > > them even more for
> > > the full content that those commercials advertise?
> > > At cellphone
> > > quality? For content that's available at high
> > > fidelity for free?
> >
> > I paid $2.00 for a 10 second clip. I think they called
> > it a ringtone. I also paid $2.00 for a picture that
> > only could reside on the tiny screen on my phone. I
> > think it was called wallpaper.
> >
> > Obviously I am being sarcastic. But people will buy
> > something if it adds value to an existing device they
> > own. This could be one of those things.
>
> People will only buy that something if it's safe and familiar. The
> psychology of paying for cell phone customization is to "personalize" or
> "individualize" the phone with the same ringtones and wallpapers thousands
> of other people have. Most people buy a ringtone from a familiar musician
> because the song is popular and their friends will recognize it, because
> it's a favorite song, or because it will attract attention when the phone
> rings.
>
> Very little of the cell phone add-on market has to do with adding value.
> It's all about selling emotion.
>
> Jake Ludington
>
> http://www.mediablab.com
> http://www.podcastingstarterkit.com
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:43:25 -0500
> From: Brian Noe <noebie@...>
> Subject: Re: Hurrican donation challenge !!
>
> Libsyn is donating as well, and the latest Daily Source Code has a lot
> about
> the effort.
>
> Here's my little bit.
>
> http://libsyn.com/media/noebie/hurricane.mp3
>
> I also but up a link on my main Website at
> www.noebie.com <http://www.noebie.com><http://www.noebie.com>showing where
> people can donate.
>
> Brian
>
> On 8/31/05, Brian Noe <noebie@...> wrote:
> >
> > I made my donation on the web this morning as well, and plan to give
> blood
> > at the next Red Cross drive in our town too.
> >
> > I recorded a PSA for my three Podcasts this morning and will load it
> > today. Wichita Rutherford suggested this a couple days ago.
> >
> > I hope everyone will pull together on this one.
> >
> > Noebie
> > http://www.noebie.com
> >
> > On 8/31/05, C.C. Chapman <cc@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > That is extremely cool of you guys!
> > >
> > > I donated last night and also pushed out a PSA on my show at
> > > http://accidenthash.podshow.com/?p=93 encouraging others.
> > >
> > > I've seen what the Red Cross can do on a personal level. They are a
> > > great
> > > organization and they are only one of many helping during this
> horrible
> > > time.
> > >
> > >
> > > C.C. Chapman
> > > Host & Producer, Accident Hash <http://www.accidenthash.com/>
> > > Manager, Podshow Podsafe <http://www.podsafemusicnetwork.com/> Music
> > > Network
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto: podcasters@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Scott Grayban
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:19 AM
> > > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [podcasters] Hurrican donation challenge !!
> > >
> > >
> > > The iPodder Team has donated $1000 to the American Red Cross to help
> > > with the hurrican relief in Mississippi and Louisiana.
> > >
> > > We are asking that everyone on this list that can help please donate
> > > or volunteer to help out.
> > >
> > > The damage done is so devistating. New Orleans and all of the Gulf
> > > Coast looks like a war took place. My own friends and family have lost
> > > everything and have just what they were wearing when they left.
> > >
> > > Please help in any manner you can.
> > >
> > > You can donate by website with paypal or credit card at the sites
> > > below:
> > >
> > > American Red Cross
> > >
> > > 1-800-HELP-NOW
> > > https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp
> > > http://www.mississippi-redcross.org/donate.htm#paypal
> > >
> > > Operation Blessing
> > >
> > > 1-800-436-6348
> > > https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now
> > > <https://www.cbn.com/giving/ob/option.asp?m=donate_now&so=3> &so=3
> > >
> > > America's Second Harvest
> > >
> > > 1-800-344-8070
> > > http://www.secondharvest.org/default2.asp
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your support,
> > > Scott Grayban
> > > The iPodder Team
> > >
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> From: "P. Dilly" <podcastpickle@...>
> Subject: Re: Hurrican donation challenge !!
>
> We are playing a PSA on tomorrows show, and doing a fundraiser here at our
> business. Podcast Pickle will match what the employees give, with over 30
> emplyees that should turn out to be a nice amount..
>
> On 8/31/05, Brian Noe <noebie@...> wrote:
> >
> > Libsyn is donating as well, and the latest Daily Source Code has a lot
> > about
> > the effort.
> >
> > Here's my little bit.
> >
> > http://libsyn.com/media/noebie/hurricane.mp3
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> > I also but up a link on my main Website at
> > www.noebie.com <http://www.noebie.com> <http://www.noebie.com><
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> > people can donate.
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> > On 8/31/05, Brian Noe <noebie@...> wrote:
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> > > I made my donation on the web this morning as well, and plan to give
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> > > I recorded a PSA for my three Podcasts this morning and will load it
> > > today. Wichita Rutherford suggested this a couple days ago.
> > >
> > > I hope everyone will pull together on this one.
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> > > On 8/31/05, C.C. Chapman <cc@...> wrote:
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> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:54:09 -0400
> From: Stephen Eley <SFEley@...>
> Subject: Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
> On 8/31/05, paul <prp6040@...> wrote:
> >
> > I paid $2.00 for a 10 second clip. I think they called
> > it a ringtone. I also paid $2.00 for a picture that
> > only could reside on the tiny screen on my phone. I
> > think it was called wallpaper.
>
> So you're the one who's buying those! I figured someone had to be.
>
> Now: would you pay $120 per year for a subscription to a ringtone
> service? How about $120 per year for the chance to preview all the
> ringtones you wanted, and then a low $0.50 for each ringtone? Yes,
> the scenarios aren't exactly equivalent, but then the ringtone
> providers also aren't competing very much against high-quality free
> ones.
>
>
> > Obviously I am being sarcastic. But people will buy
> > something if it adds value to an existing device they
> > own. This could be one of those things.
>
> Matt May pointed out that smartphones can already get podcasts on them
> for free. While of course that doesn't help users without
> smartphones, I suggest that the users of "standard" cellphones
> probably also have limited demand for listening to podcasts on them.
> The loudspeakers on those cellphones are usually somewhat bad, and are
> you going to hold the phone up to your ear for 45 minutes so you can
> listen to Dawn & Drew? Would it be worth ten bucks for you to do
> that?
>
> I think if Erik really wants to exploit a phone/podcast convergence
> opportunity, he should drop the idea of delivering podcasts over the
> voice network for every possible cellphone, and focus on creating
> podcatching tools for the RAZR and Treo and other devices capable of
> grabbing them via the data stream.
>
> (Damn, more free consulting! I get caught up in this stuff too easily.)
> >8->
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> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:56:38 -0700
> From: "Jake Ludington" <jake@...>
> Subject: RE: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
> > Not to mention waiting until next Wednesday, because Apple may just
> > completely obsolete the idea with the iTunes phone. If they allow
> > wireless access to the iTMS, including the podcasting section,
> > nobody's going to want to pay more for less functionality.
> >
> > If users intend for their phone to be their podcatcher, they can buy
> > an SD/miniSD/Transflash card and either set up podcatching software
> > on their device or copy podcasts from their home PC. To be honest, I
> > don't see the value proposition here.
>
> This is a very good point and certainly one that doesn't take Apple making
> an announcement to succeed. Already millions of PDA phone owners have
> access
> to music players and data connections that are prepaid. It's a tiny
> stretch
> for these people to download files and transfer them to an SD card (I know
> many people already doing this with music, books on tape and other
> mainstream listening options). A few apps are available to facilitate
> podcatching on Windows Mobile devices.
>
> Why is it people are excited about podcasting in the first place? Part of
> it
> is the lack of corporate programming. Another part is the convenience of
> transferring files to a portable device and taking them to go.
>
> Introducing a monthly fee and gatekeeping the files in an effort to tease
> them from a pay service flys in the face of what makes podcasting
> successful. We've seen this business model before from companies like
> Mazingo (never heard of them? There's a reason for that). The model being
> discussed here is all about getting paid without any focus on what the
> customer actually wants. It's also a model in direct competition with SMS
> and other services capable of delivering short-form information more
> efficiently.
>
> The discussion about getting podcasts to the phone should be about finding
> developers who can add software using the Java platform, Windows CE and
> Symbian routes for getting into the cell phone OS. The people paying for
> higher end phones are the ones who are more likely to want your
> information.
> This voicemail route targets the lowest common denominator user who buys
> the
> 2-fer special at the Verizon store and is still blinking 12:00 with a VCR.
>
> Jake Ludington
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> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:08:22 -0700
> From: Matt May <mcmay@...>
> Subject: Re: Podcasting to your cell phone's voicemail bo
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Stephen Eley wrote:
> > Matt May pointed out that smartphones can already get podcasts on them
> > for free. While of course that doesn't help users without
> > smartphones
>
> Well, I know there's at least one podcatching app for Series 60, so
> the phones don't have to be _that_ smart. They just have to have the
> ability to hold a memory card.
>
> My Audiovox smartphone came with a stereo headset and mic, so it's
> great for podcasts. My old phone with its mono headset was okay, but
> at least it's better quality than the average phone call, and you
> don't need to buy another device to do it.
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> You will end it with the xml ending. I'm fairly new to podcasting
> myself. I use a Mac and I found a great easy to use program that does
> all the xml coding called "Feeder"
> http://www.reinventedsoftware.com/ Yes I had to pay for it, but it is
> well worth the money if you don't want to spend time with code.

Thanks to an e-mail I got from Rob at podcast411, I now have a pretyyu
good idea of how all this stuff works. I'm using notepad to do my
editing, I'm sure if you took the time it would work for you to.

As for the second episode thing, it has everything to do with the
items tag. For each episode of your podcast you want in your feed you
need to give it another item tag in the same feed. Of you created a
whole new feed for the second episode, it will never find it's way to
the places the first episode went to. You can put between 10 to 15
items (episodes) into your xml feed. iTunes and other aggregators go
out on a daily basis and looks at the xml file to see if it's been
changed. If it has, it downloads the newest episode for people who
have subscribed.

I did it, and it's working awesome so far. I've already got a Podcast
on iTunes, and I started looking into how to do this around Friday
night. My show is the Amazing Customs Podcast, a how-to for
customizing action figures. The feed is:
http://www.amazingcustoms.com/feed.xml

Hope that helps!

-Jimmy

--- James Cridland <james@...> wrote:
> No, that's true. If you want to produce a podcast
> but don't care whether
> anyone listens to it, that's fine by me. I do know a
> lot about what makes
> things popular, though, and that's what I strive
> for.

There is a difference between popular and successful.
The old and tired radio and record label model is
fading away. It is hazardous to the artists, and
extremely dishonest. Just plain bad business. It's
time to replace them with something that benefits all
parties involved. Radio is constantly losing
listeners. They know this. And right now they can
afford it. But what about 5 years from now?

> Well, I agree. I think we're minnows in comparison
> to the record companies.

Depends on your point of view;) I play music that
isn't heard on the radio. Seems more like I have
exclusive content. They are all playing the same
rehashed drivel with 5 commercials between each song.
Almost as bad as mtv. Let's see them match that! Now
who has the power! And don't confuse money with power,
or intelligence;)

> I work for one of the biggest broadcasters in the UK
> - and we're podcasting.
> I'd like to think I've slightly more power in terms
> of making record
> companies understand what they're talking about in
> terms of podcasting - so
> I can actually help all of us here - if, at least,
> we all live in the real
> world. But I'm still a tiny minnow.

Thinking the record companies will agree to any needs
of the podcasters is a dream world.

> Record companies simply won't take podcasting
> seriously if they perceive
> that the same old tired internet-radio arguments are
> being re-run again. "We
> promote artists" simply isn't a sensible argument to
> take. "We only play
> artists who let us play their stuff free"
> essentially means, to them, "We
> don't play any artists that anyone's ever heard of,
> and therefore we'll
> never make any money, and therefore won't make any
> record company any
> money". It didn't wash for internet radio; it
> certainly won't wash for a
> downloadable medium.

True. The problem with internet radio is that it
doesn't know how to market itself. If you say radio,
people are going to think Brittany Spears and Ja Rule.
Podcasting is a different story. We have to tell the
world we are not radio. We are something better. We
need a new model that will rejuvinate music. And when
that happens, then a financial model can be made.

> Your point made entirely. I've never heard of any of
> these artists.
> Seriously. Genuinely, who are they? (And if I'm
> asking that, what might your
> potential audience be asking?)

How many music podcasts do you listen to? I have
played at least two of those artists on my show, and
have yet to get to the others because there are so
many to play. The Podsafe Music Network has many
artists to offer. Some are good, some not so good, and
some reeeally good;) Kinda like radio. Some music is
good, some sucks. The difference is I play 10 songs in
an hour, radio plays 5. And they brag about it?

> Now, if you want to continue arguing your point of
> view, that's a fine thing
> by me: but the rest of us in the real world want to
> get something sorted
> with record companies. The last thing we need is a
> re-run of arguments that
> simply have no foundation in real life.

Who wants to deal with the record companies? If I want
repetitive content, unrealistic demands, and fees that
any intelligent person will see are too high, than
I'll deal with the majors. If I want good music and
want to promote artists who do it for the love of
their craft, I'll be a podcaster. If I find a
financial model for it in the future, more power to
me. But podcasting is still too new to accomplish this
overnight.

> As you say - peace. But let's make sure this is
> proper peace, not an uneasy
> truce.

Live long and prosper;)



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--- Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:
> Yes, there is. I can tell that already. I can make
> myself sound like
> Garrison Keillor, and Chet sound like Minnie Mouse.
> And, at least
> using my ears, since there are no meters on the
> iRiver, I can get us
> to equal loudness. I can do that in post, however.
>
> What is interesting is the amazing lashup of wires
> it takes to do
> that, including the y-cable that folks originally
> objected to. ;->

Ron, there is nothing wrong with the way you are doing
it now. Don't ad a crappy Behringer mixer and add to
your problems. Just keep doing what your doing, and if
you want a better setup, get one of the recorders we
spoke about and better mics. Otherwise, your chasing
fools gold my friend;)

And yes, with the iriver, you will always need that
darn y cable. No one can offer you an alternative.

Peace, out, in the hizouse!!!????;)



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On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 11:44:48 PM, paul wrote:

> Ron, there is nothing wrong with the way you are doing
> it now. Don't ad a crappy Behringer mixer and add to
> your problems. Just keep doing what your doing, and if
> you want a better setup, get one of the recorders we
> spoke about and better mics. Otherwise, your chasing
> fools gold my friend;)

Thanks ... I see no point to the mixer myself, as it looks like I
can do most things in post, though I would like it if I could just
set and forget the EQ and balance.

And I get the subtle sense that you think the Behringer is crap.
Tell me more ... and what's good?

> And yes, with the iriver, you will always need that
> darn y cable. No one can offer you an alternative.

Yep ... as long as the little iRiver only gots that one hole in it
... unless there's a mixer with a single stereo line out, which I
suppose could happen.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
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--- Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:
> Thanks ... I see no point to the mixer myself, as it
> looks like I
> can do most things in post, though I would like it
> if I could just
> set and forget the EQ and balance.

Exactly. You have what you have, so use it. The iriver
aint a bad little device for what it can do. Should of
bought one myself. I just hit record, and let the
tools I have do their respective tasks.

> And I get the subtle sense that you think the
> Behringer is crap.
> Tell me more ... and what's good?

When I used to do consulting, I did sell Behringer.
Except I couldn't call it crap. It was called
"economical". But I would have easily sold a Mackie
VLZ or Onyx series. Allen and Heath, or Trident audio.
But all those are overkill for your application. The
closest thing I can think of that you could use, and
is a really quality piece of gear, is made by Rane.

http://rane.com/mlm42.html

Great single space rack mountable mixer. Street price
about $340.00. Again though, I think still overkill.
The right tool for the right job. You need
portability, ease of use, functionality, and quality
in one box. And you already know your options there.

The recording equipment industry has not caught on to
podcasting yet, but they are aware of it. I have
already spoken to one company about a podcasters
needs, and hope something will come of it. It takes
quite some time to research, develop, and create a new
product, so we have to use what they have right now.

Hope this helps.



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Ron,

  I bought the Yamaha MG8/2 which is reasonably priced with great mic
pre-amps...but this is just my opinion (everyone has one).  In that vein, try
going to harmonycentral.com or zzounds.com where people who have bought mics /
recorders etc... rate the products preformance.  Lots of info there.

Henry

paul <prp6040@...> wrote:
--- Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:
> Thanks ... I see no point to the mixer myself, as it
> looks like I
> can do most things in post, though I would like it
> if I could just
> set and forget the EQ and balance.

Exactly. You have what you have, so use it. The iriver
aint a bad little device for what it can do. Should of
bought one myself. I just hit record, and let the
tools I have do their respective tasks.

> And I get the subtle sense that you think the
> Behringer is crap.
> Tell me more ... and what's good?

When I used to do consulting, I did sell Behringer.
Except I couldn't call it crap. It was called
"economical". But I would have easily sold a Mackie
VLZ or Onyx series. Allen and Heath, or Trident audio.
But all those are overkill for your application. The
closest thing I can think of that you could use, and
is a really quality piece of gear, is made by Rane.

http://rane.com/mlm42.html

Great single space rack mountable mixer. Street price
about $340.00. Again though, I think still overkill.
The right tool for the right job. You need
portability, ease of use, functionality, and quality
in one box. And you already know your options there.

The recording equipment industry has not caught on to
podcasting yet, but they are aware of it. I have
already spoken to one company about a podcasters
needs, and hope something will come of it. It takes
quite some time to research, develop, and create a new
product, so we have to use what they have right now.

Hope this helps.



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Jake Wrote:  The early adopters all have Smartphones/Blackberrys/Treos and
don't need it.
This is old thinking. The market is moving away from a model where the
service providers have all the control. The market is moving toward
convergent devices with phone service and hard drives

I am a Verizon customer and let me tell you that they (one of the largest in
the country) are doing just the opposite.  EVERY new phone they offer has
abilities that they disable.  They have a model where you have to hack your
phone to add a ring tone that you make yourself!

Secondly one of the things this is being compared to is the wallpaper and
ringtones market...Who are the major purchasers of those things...Does
anyone know the data?  My hunch is it is a bunch of teenagers!  How many of
us have a LARGE number of teenagers listening to our podcasts?  And how many
of those teenagers are going to listen on their phone to a show they wont
listen to on their iPod?  Ring tones and Wallpaper are all about ³Bling.²
How is listening to Dot Net Rocks or TWIT even close to bling?  Wait...Is
there a bunch of rap podcasts?  Maybe this would work...Most kids I know are
way into rappers that no one has ever heard of.

Just my 2 cents.

I still like the model as a tool like movie phone...But that eliminates all
of the entertainment podcasts.

Chris

On 8/31/05 12:32 PM, "Jake Ludington" <jake@...> wrote:

>> > Is it valuable to be notified when a new episode of
>> > your favorite podcast is available?
>
> Yes, which is why I subscribe to my favorite podcasts - I'm notified
> automatically.
>
>> > Is it valuable to be able to hear it on your phone?
>
> Depends. I use my Smartphone to listen to podcasts because I have one less
> thing in my pocket. However, the process for subscribing/listening is just
> like the process would be for anyone with an iPod.
>
>> > Would podcasters like to sell secure access to their
>> > podcasts?
>
> Maybe, but where's the market for charging people for something they already
> get just as easily and for free.
>
>> >
>> > I think so. I also think that the carriers are eager
>> > to provide more services. Soon I think that the
>> > carriers will pay for great podcast programming and
>> > provide it to their customers at a very low cost.
>
> Since the carriers get minute money in this scenario, it makes more sense
> for the carriers to pay a small licensing fee to podcasters and give the
> podcasts away as part of a service  offering.
>
>> > I think we can help to get this started by allowing
>> > the early adopters to tinker with the model before the
>> > big fish do it.
>
> The early adopters all have Smartphones/Blackberrys/Treos and don't need it.
> This is old thinking. The market is moving away from a model where the
> service providers have all the control. The market is moving toward
> convergent devices with phone service and hard drives.
>
>> > I think that we can all do well here. Hopefully we can
>> > shift a little money from the big fish to the little
>> > fish in the process.
>
> Technically it's moving money from the little fish to the little fish,
> unless you think all cell phone customers have deep pockets.
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Tascam has a couple of portable recorders Pocket Studio they are called.
They will do all that you want them to and to it in MP3 format.  They
discontinued a couple that are really nice and can be had for less than $300
on line.  The one I use even has a built in mixer, limiter, etc. It will
take line level, if you use a DI box or transducers.  It sounds like what
you are looking for.

Here¹s the one I use:  http://www.tascam.com/Products/PocketStudio5.html

Works great.

But I agree with paul...if what you have is working...IF IT AINT BROKE...you
know the rest.

Chris


On 8/31/05 9:12 PM, "paul" <prp6040@...> wrote:

> --- Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:
>> > Thanks ... I see no point to the mixer myself, as it
>> > looks like I
>> > can do most things in post, though I would like it
>> > if I could just
>> > set and forget the EQ and balance.
>
> Exactly. You have what you have, so use it. The iriver
> aint a bad little device for what it can do. Should of
> bought one myself. I just hit record, and let the
> tools I have do their respective tasks.
>
>> > And I get the subtle sense that you think the
>> > Behringer is crap.
>> > Tell me more ... and what's good?
>
> When I used to do consulting, I did sell Behringer.
> Except I couldn't call it crap. It was called
> "economical". But I would have easily sold a Mackie
> VLZ or Onyx series. Allen and Heath, or Trident audio.
> But all those are overkill for your application. The
> closest thing I can think of that you could use, and
> is a really quality piece of gear, is made by Rane.
>
> http://rane.com/mlm42.html
>
> Great single space rack mountable mixer. Street price
> about $340.00. Again though, I think still overkill.
> The right tool for the right job. You need
> portability, ease of use, functionality, and quality
> in one box. And you already know your options there.
>
> The recording equipment industry has not caught on to
> podcasting yet, but they are aware of it. I have
> already spoken to one company about a podcasters
> needs, and hope something will come of it. It takes
> quite some time to research, develop, and create a new
> product, so we have to use what they have right now.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
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What about movie review podcasts. Music reviews. News,
commentary. Tech podcasts. There are many options. Yes
you can download them for free, but you don't have 24
hour access to the internet. And if companies like
Verizon have their way, free wifi will be illegal, so
you will have no choice but to use your cell to access
these things on the go, or subscribe to a wifi
service.

Either way, your gonna pay. Maybe podcasters can get
some of the money this time around;)



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