These sorts of copiers are all over the place; I've noted my blog and
several others copied and dumped unceremoniously into someone else's page.
It's unfortunate, but the openness of the web easily allows such a thing,
and doesn't really give much hope to stopping it -- short of every page
being an *image* of text and not text itself. (But then, your image is
taken..)

I've thought about trying to get real clever and write a Javascript/AJAX
thingee (technical term) that would download the contents on demand, or
scream loudly about SCAMMER!/SPAMMER! if the site was in the wrong place.
Not technically that hard -- although integrating it with Wordpress might be
a little tricky for me.

Still, if a clever coder out there can make this happen, I'd be pleased.  It
irks me a bit that people might find my stuff via search and the ad revenue
go to them rather than me, but that's the way it goes.

encaf1/MK

"An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made, in a
narrow field." - Niels Bohr
  the Encaffeinated ONE <http://encaffeinated.ca>
Host of THE WEIRD SHOW <http://theweirdshow.com>
Crew on The 9th HeroesCAST <http://www.heroescast.com>

Spoken Word Coordinator, Host on CHSR FM 97.9 <http://chsrfm.ca>
Production Manager, Giant Gnome Productions
(Junior) Member, Darker Projects, <http://darkerprojects.com>Pendant Audio
Productions <http://pendantaudio.com>, Broken Sea Audio<http://brokensea.com>
  *the Encaffeinated ONE*: Amateur Voice Actor, Podcaster, Amateur Writer
Wannabe, SF/F Fan, UNIX wizard, Geek.


On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:

>   On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Rick Savoia
<rick@...<rick%40theforcefield.net>>
> wrote:
> > I stumbled across this site tonight while doing a Google search on my
> > show, The Force Field. Apparently it converts downloadable mp3 files
> > into streams in .M3U.
>
> Curious, I checked it out. Was amused to see that Escape Pod is also
> featured on their front page. (And no, I'd never heard of it either.)
>
> I did click through, and determined that their service is:
>
> A.) Useless. They're making this sound like some sort of complex
> "conversion" process, but an M3U playlist file is really just a text
> file with all the locations of the media files you want to play.
> (URLs in this case.) So my M3U file generated by them looks like:
>
>
>
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP177_Usurp\
ers.mp3
>
>
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP176_HowTh\
eWorldBecameQuiet.mp3
>
>
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP175_Repar\
ations.mp3
>
>
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP174_Priva\
teDetectiveMolly.mp3
>
>
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP173_Robot\
sDontCry.mp3
> [...]
>
> ...Those are just all the URLs from my podcast feed. Brilliant.
> Anybody could make one of these in thirty seconds, if they wanted one.
> But there's not much point in it, because every media player program
> out there will let you do this already with a nice graphical
> interface. Who needs this?
>
> B.) Broken. The file it gave me to download didn't even have an .m3u
> extension, it had a .php extension. Basic stupid coding error. But
> makes it harder to use if somebody DID want one of these files.
>
> C.) Misleading. There's no "streaming" involved here. This is just a
> playlist file. You could pass it to a Flash player or something if
> you wanted to, but that's not really streaming either. And they don't
> even have such a Flash player on their site. Lazy, lazy.
>
> As for their listing my content... *shrug* It's just another bad
> podcast directory. I release on a Creative Commons license, so
> anybody who wants to can do this sort of thing. It doesn't hurt me if
> they do it. Heck, somebody someday might even use this site to search
> for a podcast, and find mine. It doesn't seem *likely*, but why
> should I stand in their way?
>
> (Oh, and... D.) Horrible, horrible name.)
>
> --
> Have Fun,
> Steve Eley (sfeley@... <sfeley%40gmail.com>)
> ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
> http://www.escapepod.org
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Sun 2008-09-28 22:34:03 UTC-0400, Stephen Eley (SFEley@...) wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Rick Savoia <rick@...> wrote:
>
> > I stumbled across this site tonight while doing a Google search on my
> > show, The Force Field. Apparently it converts downloadable mp3 files
> > into streams in .M3U.
>
> They're making this sound like some sort of complex "conversion"
> process, but an M3U playlist file is really just a text file with all
> the locations of the media files you want to play. (URLs in this
> case.)

#!/usr/bin/env python

#  list-enclosures.py
#
#  A simple Python program to read an RSS 2.0 feed from standard input
#  and output a list of enclosure URLs.
#
#  Usage: ./list-enclosures.py < input.rss > output.m3u
#
#  Written in July 2007 by Andrew Clarke <mail@...>
#  and released to the public domain.

import xml.parsers.expat, sys

def start_element(name, attrs):
   if name == 'enclosure':
     print attrs['url']

x = xml.parsers.expat.ParserCreate()
x.StartElementHandler = start_element
x.Parse(sys.stdin.read(), True)

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:28 AM, the Encaffeinated ONE
<encaf1@...> wrote:
> These sorts of copiers are all over the place; I've noted my blog and
> several others copied and dumped unceremoniously into someone else's page.
> It's unfortunate, but the openness of the web easily allows such a thing,
> and doesn't really give much hope to stopping it -- short of every page
> being an *image* of text and not text itself. (But then, your image is
> taken..)

You're talking about something else.  Podspew.com didn't copy anyone's
site or site content.  They are redisplaying some feed info and
creating a text file with the enclosure URLs from the feed.

More to the point, why is it unfortunate?  Unless they're stripping
attribution from you, it all points back to you.  Ineffectively, in an
ugly manner, and for squalid reasons, they're helping to promote your
stuff.  This is bad?  Do you release on Creative Commons, or do you
prefer to keep people from redistributing the stuff you're giving away
for free?


> I've thought about trying to get real clever and write a Javascript/AJAX
> thingee (technical term) that would download the contents on demand, or
> scream loudly about SCAMMER!/SPAMMER! if the site was in the wrong place.
> Not technically that hard -- although integrating it with Wordpress might be
> a little tricky for me.

Cute, but most of those Webfungus sites aren't scraping your Web site.
  They're reading your RSS feed.  RSS feed agents aren't going to run
any Javascript, they're just making straight HTTP get requests.
Unless you're willing to destroy the utility of your RSS feed and only
serve files to Web browsers (i.e., stop being a podcaster), you
wouldn't fix anything this way.


> Still, if a clever coder out there can make this happen, I'd be pleased.  It
> irks me a bit that people might find my stuff via search and the ad revenue
> go to them rather than me, but that's the way it goes.

How much ad revenue are you getting from your Web site right now?  How
much do you think _they'll_ get?  You're not talking about real
numbers here.  The reason Webfungus grows to redistribute so much crap
from so many places is because the business model is so bad, they
_need_ thousands and thousands of sites to pull in any revenue at all.

I'm not saying they're doing a fine and noble thing.  I'm just
suggesting that, as intellectual property infringement goes, Webfungus
is more pathetic than dangerous.


--
Have Fun,
    Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
    ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
    http://www.escapepod.org

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:47 AM, andrew clarke <mail@...> wrote:
>
> #!/usr/bin/env python
>
> #  list-enclosures.py
> #  A simple Python program to read an RSS 2.0 feed from standard input
> #  and output a list of enclosure URLs.

Ha!  I'll see your Python XML parser and raise you a Perl regex:

#!/usr/bin/perl
while (<>) {$_ =~ /<enclosure.*url=\"(.*?)\"/ && print "$1\n";}


(Ordinarily these days I'd do this in Ruby, but Ruby doesn't have that
<> shortcut for STDIN, so it would have been more characters.
Otherwise it would have been almost the same.)

--
Have Fun,
    Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
    ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
    http://www.escapepod.org

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:
>
> You're talking about something else. Podspew.com didn't copy anyone's
> site or site content. They are redisplaying some feed info and
> creating a text file with the enclosure URLs from the feed.

You're right, of course -- it's a different species of ugliness. Or maybe
just a different sub-species under my general category of "ECH". ;)

> More to the point, why is it unfortunate? Unless they're stripping
> attribution from you, it all points back to you. Ineffectively, in an
> ugly manner, and for squalid reasons, they're helping to promote your
> stuff. This is bad? Do you release on Creative Commons, or do you
> prefer to keep people from redistributing the stuff you're giving away
> for free?

Well, the one's that I've seen strip all links and often even any sort of
attribution. As for the RSS refeeders, I think it muddies the water when
someone who is searching for things by me are redirected to a poorly-laid
out or badly built site. The things is: they aren't really adding any value
to what I'm doing, and any negative things about them might reflect poorly
on them.

I mean, if spam can have as great an effect as it does, there must be people
gullible or misinformed enough to fall for it. The same thing applies to
these feedleechers.

Also, if *they* offer an RSS feed which is *not* mine, then I lose listener
trackability, and that definitely can have an effect on my podcast. I'm not
particularly obsessed with the numbers, but I like to have a handle on the
general size. And for those who are looking to (arg!) "monetize" their
stuff, they'll likely lose some evidence.

I'm not saying that these are necessarily "evil", just "awful" and
"detrimental".

There are actual podcast directories that work this way, and sometimes they
take the care to make things right. Those I don't mind, although if I choose
to change my feed (as I am in the process of doing now) I can't update them
and therefore lose some control over my feed. I don't really care about
rebroadcasts, and I make sure to mention my URL in each episode, but I *do*
want to maintain a certain level of control over the channel.

> Cute, but most of those Webfungus sites aren't scraping your Web site.
> They're reading your RSS feed. RSS feed agents aren't going to run
> any Javascript, they're just making straight HTTP get requests.
> Unless you're willing to destroy the utility of your RSS feed and only
> serve files to Web browsers (i.e., stop being a podcaster), you
> wouldn't fix anything this way.

Well, if the RSS feed has full HTML text, you *can*, in fact, shove
JavaScript into it, but I get your meaning. It feels a little like the
futility of fighting SPAM: we can do some things to minimize the impact on
our inbox, but we can't do much to stop the source. I admit, it's a danger
of the "free frontier" that we also appreciate highly, the freedom comes at
a price.

> How much ad revenue are you getting from your Web site right now? How
> much do you think _they'll_ get? You're not talking about real
> numbers here. The reason Webfungus grows to redistribute so much crap
> from so many places is because the business model is so bad, they
> _need_ thousands and thousands of sites to pull in any revenue at all.

It's true, I don't actually make much ad revenue. Ok, really none. ;) But it
does disturb me a bit when I find my feed out of context, badly displayed
and getting the page impression that was meant for me..

And while the business model is so bad that it *requires* mass hits to work,
that's not that hard to set up. It's a "poisoning the well" situation, where
they are not discouraged if they have to kill the entire town just to kill
one person, because they don't care about the town anyway..

I just keep wondering about my mom as my typical example: reasonably
intelligent, but not really net savvy: if she forgot my web address and did
a search, would she know which one to choose? And if she chose the wrong one
-- one that, say, used porn banner ads -- would she realize that it has
nothing to do with me?

A podcaster should have some rights to protect their image, although they
cannot be well-enforced in the current infrastructure..

> I'm not saying they're doing a fine and noble thing. I'm just
> suggesting that, as intellectual property infringement goes, Webfungus
> is more pathetic than dangerous.

Doesn't stop me from complaining or spinning off quick thoughts about how
they might be smashed, however.. :)  I would hope that, in time, such sleazy
business practices are defeated by a combination of intelligent tools and
intelligent people, but likely digital bottom-feeders will always be around.

And it always helps to bring up such things, especially here, because there
are always those who are not aware of them and need to be educated.

encaf1/MK

"An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made, in a
narrow field." - Niels Bohr
  the Encaffeinated ONE <http://encaffeinated.ca/>
Host of THE WEIRD SHOW <http://theweirdshow.com/>
Crew on The 9th HeroesCAST <http://www.heroescast.com/>

Spoken Word Coordinator, Host on CHSR FM 97.9 <http://chsrfm.ca/>
Production Manager, Giant Gnome Productions
(Junior) Member, Darker Projects, <http://darkerprojects.com/>Pendant Audio
Productions <http://pendantaudio.com/>, Broken Sea Audio<http://brokensea.com/>
  *the Encaffeinated ONE*: Amateur Voice Actor, Podcaster, Amateur Writer
Wannabe, SF/F Fan, UNIX wizard, Geek.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi everyone:

There's a way around that you know.

Take their feed and put it on FeedBurner.  You use the FeedBurner URL and they
can use their own feed.  This way, if you change hosts, all you have to do is
simply redirect people to the new feed URL simply by logging onto FeedBurner
(Don't forget your username and password info!) and change it in there.

By doing that, you have more accurate information that PodShow does.

And speaking of "PodSpew", there's a discussion on the Videoblogging group
regarding the safeness of VIDEOS on there.  Are they safe (As in NO ROYALTY
ISSUES)???  I'll be happy to pass along the answer to this question.

Cheers

Pat Cook
HOST - The Left Wing Conservative Talk Show
Denver, CO
WEBSITE - http://www.geocities.com/theleftwingconservative/


From: the Encaffeinated ONE
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:04 PM
To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [podcasters] Podspew


On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:
>
> You're talking about something else. Podspew.com didn't copy anyone's
> site or site content. They are redisplaying some feed info and
> creating a text file with the enclosure URLs from the feed.

You're right, of course -- it's a different species of ugliness. Or maybe
just a different sub-species under my general category of "ECH". ;)

> More to the point, why is it unfortunate? Unless they're stripping
> attribution from you, it all points back to you. Ineffectively, in an
> ugly manner, and for squalid reasons, they're helping to promote your
> stuff. This is bad? Do you release on Creative Commons, or do you
> prefer to keep people from redistributing the stuff you're giving away
> for free?

Well, the one's that I've seen strip all links and often even any sort of
attribution. As for the RSS refeeders, I think it muddies the water when
someone who is searching for things by me are redirected to a poorly-laid
out or badly built site. The things is: they aren't really adding any value
to what I'm doing, and any negative things about them might reflect poorly
on them.

I mean, if spam can have as great an effect as it does, there must be people
gullible or misinformed enough to fall for it. The same thing applies to
these feedleechers.

Also, if *they* offer an RSS feed which is *not* mine, then I lose listener
trackability, and that definitely can have an effect on my podcast. I'm not
particularly obsessed with the numbers, but I like to have a handle on the
general size. And for those who are looking to (arg!) "monetize" their
stuff, they'll likely lose some evidence.

I'm not saying that these are necessarily "evil", just "awful" and
"detrimental".

There are actual podcast directories that work this way, and sometimes they
take the care to make things right. Those I don't mind, although if I choose
to change my feed (as I am in the process of doing now) I can't update them
and therefore lose some control over my feed. I don't really care about
rebroadcasts, and I make sure to mention my URL in each episode, but I *do*
want to maintain a certain level of control over the channel.

> Cute, but most of those Webfungus sites aren't scraping your Web site.
> They're reading your RSS feed. RSS feed agents aren't going to run
> any Javascript, they're just making straight HTTP get requests.
> Unless you're willing to destroy the utility of your RSS feed and only
> serve files to Web browsers (i.e., stop being a podcaster), you
> wouldn't fix anything this way.

Well, if the RSS feed has full HTML text, you *can*, in fact, shove
JavaScript into it, but I get your meaning. It feels a little like the
futility of fighting SPAM: we can do some things to minimize the impact on
our inbox, but we can't do much to stop the source. I admit, it's a danger
of the "free frontier" that we also appreciate highly, the freedom comes at
a price.

> How much ad revenue are you getting from your Web site right now? How
> much do you think _they'll_ get? You're not talking about real
> numbers here. The reason Webfungus grows to redistribute so much crap
> from so many places is because the business model is so bad, they
> _need_ thousands and thousands of sites to pull in any revenue at all.

It's true, I don't actually make much ad revenue. Ok, really none. ;) But it
does disturb me a bit when I find my feed out of context, badly displayed
and getting the page impression that was meant for me..

And while the business model is so bad that it *requires* mass hits to work,
that's not that hard to set up. It's a "poisoning the well" situation, where
they are not discouraged if they have to kill the entire town just to kill
one person, because they don't care about the town anyway..

I just keep wondering about my mom as my typical example: reasonably
intelligent, but not really net savvy: if she forgot my web address and did
a search, would she know which one to choose? And if she chose the wrong one
-- one that, say, used porn banner ads -- would she realize that it has
nothing to do with me?

A podcaster should have some rights to protect their image, although they
cannot be well-enforced in the current infrastructure..

> I'm not saying they're doing a fine and noble thing. I'm just
> suggesting that, as intellectual property infringement goes, Webfungus
> is more pathetic than dangerous.

Doesn't stop me from complaining or spinning off quick thoughts about how
they might be smashed, however.. :) I would hope that, in time, such sleazy
business practices are defeated by a combination of intelligent tools and
intelligent people, but likely digital bottom-feeders will always be around.

And it always helps to bring up such things, especially here, because there
are always those who are not aware of them and need to be educated.

encaf1/MK

"An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made, in a
narrow field." - Niels Bohr
the Encaffeinated ONE <http://encaffeinated.ca/>
Host of THE WEIRD SHOW <http://theweirdshow.com/>
Crew on The 9th HeroesCAST <http://www.heroescast.com/>

Spoken Word Coordinator, Host on CHSR FM 97.9 <http://chsrfm.ca/>
Production Manager, Giant Gnome Productions
(Junior) Member, Darker Projects, <http://darkerprojects.com/>Pendant Audio
Productions <http://pendantaudio.com/>, Broken Sea Audio<http://brokensea.com/>
*the Encaffeinated ONE*: Amateur Voice Actor, Podcaster, Amateur Writer
Wannabe, SF/F Fan, UNIX wizard, Geek.

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gang,

We all know that iTunes (and specifically iTunes 8) takes some liberty
with ID3 tags, overwriting some with information found in the RSS
feed. For those new to this concept:

* NAME/TITLE tag is replaced with with the <title> tag inside of the
<item> element. For many of us, that's the title of the blog post.
* ALBUM tag is replaced with the <title> tag inside of the <channel>
element. For man of us, that's the title of our blog.
* GENRE is replaced with "Podcast".
* YEAR is replaced with the current year. I assume this is based on
download date.
* The filename is rewritten by concatenating the elements above, but
with the track # from your ID3 tag in the middle. Sort of.

To test this, I uploaded an MP3 file, tagged with a special indicator
(ID3:) on all ID3 tags I could find inside of ID3X. I then uploaded
the file to a special RSS feed, where the channel elements were tagged
with CHANNEL: and the item elements tagged with ITEM:. I subscribe to
the feed in iTunes and registered the changes you see above on the
fetched MP3 file.

I wonder what other podcatchers are doing? Knowing to trust the power
of the crowd, I figure the best thing to do is let you test the feed
and file I uploaded on your podcatcher of choice.

http://testingitunes.podiobooks.libsynpro.com/rss

Why am I raising your attention to this? Because we all need to know
what's happening. These ID3 tags impact how people find our episodes
on their devices. Oh, and all to many podcasters don't pay a nickels
worth of attention to their ID3 tag, which disturbs me.

So for those that do care, subscribe to the link above with your
podcatcher and let us know what is changed. You can also use it to see
what elements of your modified ID3 tags (or something else) are used
to display the episode on various MP3 players. Handy. I rule.

E.
--
Evo Terra
Podiobooks.com
---------------------
Follow us at --> http://twitter.com/podiobooks

I checked it out in Ziepod, and while it didn't have any tags that
were changed, many of the fields for tags in ID3-TagIt 3 were blank.
None of them were anything I really cared about for podcasts, though.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Evo Terra <thisisevo@...> wrote:
> Gang,
>
> We all know that iTunes (and specifically iTunes 8) takes some liberty
> with ID3 tags, overwriting some with information found in the RSS
> feed. For those new to this concept:
>
> * NAME/TITLE tag is replaced with with the <title> tag inside of the
> <item> element. For many of us, that's the title of the blog post.
> * ALBUM tag is replaced with the <title> tag inside of the <channel>
> element. For man of us, that's the title of our blog.
> * GENRE is replaced with "Podcast".
> * YEAR is replaced with the current year. I assume this is based on
> download date.
> * The filename is rewritten by concatenating the elements above, but
> with the track # from your ID3 tag in the middle. Sort of.
>
> To test this, I uploaded an MP3 file, tagged with a special indicator
> (ID3:) on all ID3 tags I could find inside of ID3X. I then uploaded
> the file to a special RSS feed, where the channel elements were tagged
> with CHANNEL: and the item elements tagged with ITEM:. I subscribe to
> the feed in iTunes and registered the changes you see above on the
> fetched MP3 file.
>
> I wonder what other podcatchers are doing? Knowing to trust the power
> of the crowd, I figure the best thing to do is let you test the feed
> and file I uploaded on your podcatcher of choice.
>
> http://testingitunes.podiobooks.libsynpro.com/rss
>
> Why am I raising your attention to this? Because we all need to know
> what's happening. These ID3 tags impact how people find our episodes
> on their devices. Oh, and all to many podcasters don't pay a nickels
> worth of attention to their ID3 tag, which disturbs me.
>
> So for those that do care, subscribe to the link above with your
> podcatcher and let us know what is changed. You can also use it to see
> what elements of your modified ID3 tags (or something else) are used
> to display the episode on various MP3 players. Handy. I rule.
>
> E.
> --
> Evo Terra
> Podiobooks.com
> ---------------------
> Follow us at --> http://twitter.com/podiobooks
>
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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Stephen Eley
   To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:34 PM
   Subject: Re: [podcasters] Podspew


   On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Rick Savoia <rick@...> wrote:
   > I stumbled across this site tonight while doing a Google search on my
   > show, The Force Field. Apparently it converts downloadable mp3 files
   > into streams in .M3U.

   Curious, I checked it out. Was amused to see that Escape Pod is also
   featured on their front page. (And no, I'd never heard of it either.)

   I did click through, and determined that their service is:

   A.) Useless. They're making this sound like some sort of complex
   "conversion" process, but an M3U playlist file is really just a text
   file with all the locations of the media files you want to play.
   (URLs in this case.) So my M3U file generated by them looks like:

  
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP177_Usurp\
ers.mp3
  
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP176_HowTh\
eWorldBecameQuiet.mp3
  
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP175_Repar\
ations.mp3
  
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP174_Priva\
teDetectiveMolly.mp3
  
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP173_Robot\
sDontCry.mp3
   [...]

   ...Those are just all the URLs from my podcast feed. Brilliant.
   Anybody could make one of these in thirty seconds, if they wanted one.
   But there's not much point in it, because every media player program
   out there will let you do this already with a nice graphical
   interface. Who needs this?

   B.) Broken. The file it gave me to download didn't even have an .m3u
   extension, it had a .php extension. Basic stupid coding error. But
   makes it harder to use if somebody DID want one of these files.

   C.) Misleading. There's no "streaming" involved here. This is just a
   playlist file. You could pass it to a Flash player or something if
   you wanted to, but that's not really streaming either. And they don't
   even have such a Flash player on their site. Lazy, lazy.

   As for their listing my content... *shrug* It's just another bad
   podcast directory. I release on a Creative Commons license, so
   anybody who wants to can do this sort of thing. It doesn't hurt me if
   they do it. Heck, somebody someday might even use this site to search
   for a podcast, and find mine. It doesn't seem *likely*, but why
   should I stand in their way?

   (Oh, and... D.) Horrible, horrible name.)

   --
   Have Fun,
   Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
   ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
   http://www.escapepod.org




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I could take a crack at such a script.  In the meantime, at least your name is
"out there"

Kevin
sisco83@...
http://www.gcast.com/u/kjsisco

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: the Encaffeinated ONE
   To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:28 AM
   Subject: Re: [podcasters] Podspew


   These sorts of copiers are all over the place; I've noted my blog and
   several others copied and dumped unceremoniously into someone else's page.
   It's unfortunate, but the openness of the web easily allows such a thing,
   and doesn't really give much hope to stopping it -- short of every page
   being an *image* of text and not text itself. (But then, your image is
   taken..)

   I've thought about trying to get real clever and write a Javascript/AJAX
   thingee (technical term) that would download the contents on demand, or
   scream loudly about SCAMMER!/SPAMMER! if the site was in the wrong place.
   Not technically that hard -- although integrating it with Wordpress might be
   a little tricky for me.

   Still, if a clever coder out there can make this happen, I'd be pleased. It
   irks me a bit that people might find my stuff via search and the ad revenue
   go to them rather than me, but that's the way it goes.

   encaf1/MK

   "An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made, in a
   narrow field." - Niels Bohr
   the Encaffeinated ONE <http://encaffeinated.ca>
   Host of THE WEIRD SHOW <http://theweirdshow.com>
   Crew on The 9th HeroesCAST <http://www.heroescast.com>

   Spoken Word Coordinator, Host on CHSR FM 97.9 <http://chsrfm.ca>
   Production Manager, Giant Gnome Productions
   (Junior) Member, Darker Projects, <http://darkerprojects.com>Pendant Audio
   Productions <http://pendantaudio.com>, Broken Sea Audio<http://brokensea.com>
   *the Encaffeinated ONE*: Amateur Voice Actor, Podcaster, Amateur Writer
   Wannabe, SF/F Fan, UNIX wizard, Geek.

   On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:

   > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Rick Savoia
<rick@...<rick%40theforcefield.net>>
   > wrote:
   > > I stumbled across this site tonight while doing a Google search on my
   > > show, The Force Field. Apparently it converts downloadable mp3 files
   > > into streams in .M3U.
   >
   > Curious, I checked it out. Was amused to see that Escape Pod is also
   > featured on their front page. (And no, I'd never heard of it either.)
   >
   > I did click through, and determined that their service is:
   >
   > A.) Useless. They're making this sound like some sort of complex
   > "conversion" process, but an M3U playlist file is really just a text
   > file with all the locations of the media files you want to play.
   > (URLs in this case.) So my M3U file generated by them looks like:
   >
   >
   >
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP177_Usurp\
ers.mp3
   >
   >
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP176_HowTh\
eWorldBecameQuiet.mp3
   >
   >
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP175_Repar\
ations.mp3
   >
   >
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP174_Priva\
teDetectiveMolly.mp3
   >
   >
http://media.rawvoice.com/escapepod/media.libsyn.com/media/escapepod/EP173_Robot\
sDontCry.mp3
   > [...]
   >
   > ...Those are just all the URLs from my podcast feed. Brilliant.
   > Anybody could make one of these in thirty seconds, if they wanted one.
   > But there's not much point in it, because every media player program
   > out there will let you do this already with a nice graphical
   > interface. Who needs this?
   >
   > B.) Broken. The file it gave me to download didn't even have an .m3u
   > extension, it had a .php extension. Basic stupid coding error. But
   > makes it harder to use if somebody DID want one of these files.
   >
   > C.) Misleading. There's no "streaming" involved here. This is just a
   > playlist file. You could pass it to a Flash player or something if
   > you wanted to, but that's not really streaming either. And they don't
   > even have such a Flash player on their site. Lazy, lazy.
   >
   > As for their listing my content... *shrug* It's just another bad
   > podcast directory. I release on a Creative Commons license, so
   > anybody who wants to can do this sort of thing. It doesn't hurt me if
   > they do it. Heck, somebody someday might even use this site to search
   > for a podcast, and find mine. It doesn't seem *likely*, but why
   > should I stand in their way?
   >
   > (Oh, and... D.) Horrible, horrible name.)
   >
   > --
   > Have Fun,
   > Steve Eley (sfeley@... <sfeley%40gmail.com>)
   > ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
   > http://www.escapepod.org
   >
   >

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--- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "G" <grant@...> wrote:
>... we'd like to come up with some sort of 'agreement' form
> that they'd fill out and and then send to us before we
> allow them to braodcast our show.  The
> agreement would, among other things, have them agree
> that they cannot edit the shows in
> anyway and if we ever were able to secure real life
> 'syndication' they understand they MAY not
> be able to broadcast our shows anymore.

I'm coming into this discussion a little late and you might have
already figured it out by now, but just in case...

Is there any verbiage on http://creativecommons.org/ that could help?

Morven


www.morvenwestfield.com
www.myspace.com/morvenwestfield
http://podcast.morvenwestfield.com (podcast)

I've been recommended to ask here about a few questions, PG Holyfield
(Podcast/Novel Author, at Podiobooks Community) Suggest that I come
here, and ask them.

I'm in the early Stages of doing a Podcast, It has No name yet, but
has a general theme. (I'm planning to use it as a experience for my
PodioBook and some method to keep attracting new listeners)

I've done a small search online, I've come across PodBean, as a
possible Free host for the Podcast. So is there any thing, such as
Catches, that I should be to be aware of?

Mike Sharpe
BigNutter/windytwit

I think what you're looking for is a contract giving them a
limited-term, renewable license for your work.  Any time you want to
stop them from broadcasting, you opt out of renewing the license.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:45 PM, morvenwestfield
<morven@...> wrote:
> --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "G" <grant@...> wrote:
>>... we'd like to come up with some sort of 'agreement' form
>> that they'd fill out and and then send to us before we
>> allow them to braodcast our show.  The
>> agreement would, among other things, have them agree
>> that they cannot edit the shows in
>> anyway and if we ever were able to secure real life
>> 'syndication' they understand they MAY not
>> be able to broadcast our shows anymore.
>
> I'm coming into this discussion a little late and you might have
> already figured it out by now, but just in case...
>
> Is there any verbiage on http://creativecommons.org/ that could help?
>
> Morven
>
>
> www.morvenwestfield.com
> www.myspace.com/morvenwestfield
> http://podcast.morvenwestfield.com (podcast)
>
>
>
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On Mon 2008-09-29 18:24:50 UTC-0400, Joseph Puentes (makas@...) wrote:

> I've been playing around with Adobe Audition trying to get the bit rate
> adjusted to the one of these:
>
> Common bit rates would be 64 kilobits per second (kbps), 96
> kbps, 128 kbps, etc.
>
> I can achieve different bit rates when I adjust the sample rate as in
> when I go from 44.1 khz to 20.1 khz it jumps from 128 kbps to 56 kbps
> but when I try to adjust it to the mid point of 32 khz trying for the 64
> kbps it doesn't move down from the 128 kbps. I think I'm not
> understanding what I need to adjust to achieve the 64 kbps and was
> wondering if you all knew what I need to adjust I was working with the
> Convert Sample Type

You need to convert it to mono before you can encode using a bitrate
of 64 kbit at a sample rate of 44.1 KHz.  Maybe I didn't make this
clear in my initial reply.

andrew clarke wrote:
  > On Mon 2008-09-29 18:24:50 UTC-0400, Joseph Puentes (makas@...)
wrote:
  >
  >
  >> I've been playing around with Adobe Audition trying to get the bit
rate
  >> adjusted to the one of these:
  >>
  >> Common bit rates would be 64 kilobits per second (kbps), 96
  >> kbps, 128 kbps, etc.
  >>
  >> I can achieve different bit rates when I adjust the sample rate as in
  >> when I go from 44.1 khz to 20.1 khz it jumps from 128 kbps to 56 kbps
  >> but when I try to adjust it to the mid point of 32 khz trying for
the 64
  >> kbps it doesn't move down from the 128 kbps. I think I'm not
  >> understanding what I need to adjust to achieve the 64 kbps and was
  >> wondering if you all knew what I need to adjust I was working with the
  >> Convert Sample Type
  >>
  >
  > You need to convert it to mono before you can encode using a bitrate
  > of 64 kbit at a sample rate of 44.1 KHz.  Maybe I didn't make this
  > clear in my initial reply.
  >
  >

thanks, I've converted to Mono. My problem is that I'm not seeing the
options. I can see where I can change the sample rate but not where I
can change the bit rate. when I change the sample rate it changes the
bit rate but I can't see a direct bit rate changing option and I can't
find the correct sample rate to give me the desired 64 kbps bit rate I seek.

thanks for the help.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

In my experience, and it isn't much, free means free.
Now, I've only been podcasting for less than a year now but I've done my
homework on the subject.
I'm sure something will surface...you may come across "free for the first month"
or something of that nature.
I hope, seeing as how I'm relatively new to podcasting, that we can help each
other out in such matters.
This is a great list and I'm sure you'll find a healthy podcasting experience.

Kevin
sisco83@...
http://www.gcast.com/u/kjsisco

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mike Sharpe
   To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:21 PM
   Subject: [podcasters] PodCasting Newbie


   I've been recommended to ask here about a few questions, PG Holyfield
   (Podcast/Novel Author, at Podiobooks Community) Suggest that I come
   here, and ask them.

   I'm in the early Stages of doing a Podcast, It has No name yet, but
   has a general theme. (I'm planning to use it as a experience for my
   PodioBook and some method to keep attracting new listeners)

   I've done a small search online, I've come across PodBean, as a
   possible Free host for the Podcast. So is there any thing, such as
   Catches, that I should be to be aware of?

   Mike Sharpe
   BigNutter/windytwit





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Mike, I looked into Podbean when I started (just a few weeks ago), and
they are a nice setup.  Only problem is that when you reach a certain
amount of content (I think I figured that in my case it would be about
five shows), they delete the older ones as you post newer ones.

Instead I went with libsyn.com.  Five bucks a month, unlimited content
and bandwidth, and each month your old shows are archived but still
available to everyone just by clicking on the archived month on your home
page.

---Dan, thetreasurecorner.com and thesoftballcorner.com

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Mike Sharpe <windytwit@...> wrote:

>   I've been recommended to ask here about a few questions, PG Holyfield
> (Podcast/Novel Author, at Podiobooks Community) Suggest that I come
> here, and ask them.
>
> I'm in the early Stages of doing a Podcast, It has No name yet, but
> has a general theme. (I'm planning to use it as a experience for my
> PodioBook and some method to keep attracting new listeners)
>
> I've done a small search online, I've come across PodBean, as a
> possible Free host for the Podcast. So is there any thing, such as
> Catches, that I should be to be aware of?
>
> Mike Sharpe
> BigNutter/windytwit
>
>
> .
>
>

I tried PodBean.  I didn't like it.  The interface is clunky, and you have
to publish a "show blog" there, regardless of whether or not that blog is
your primary point of presence on the 'net.  And as has already been
explained, PodBean's storage policies aren't as flexible as LibSyn's.  So,
why not just go with LibSyn?

For what it's worth, I host all of my podcasts and the associated media
files with my DreamHost account.  This works for me because none of my shows
are extremely popular.  But it saves me money, as I'm only paying for one
host.  So it's an option to consider, depending on your needs.

--
-Shawn "Shawno" Thorpe
Hyper Nonsense - Talk/comedy podcast from central California
http://www.hypernonsense.com/

Shawnogram - Content = life.
http://www.shawnogram.com/


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Hi Pat, I think you may have mistaken the title of my post as a
derogatory reference to Podshow, which it wasn't. I was referring to
an actual website called Podspew, which claimed to stream podcasts
after submitting the RSS feed for it.

I was surprised to find the site while Googling around for my show
and was asking if it was a legit site or a malware server. From the
responses it sounds like a link farm - some of which could still
serve malware.

For the record, while I am not a fan of PodShow I did not attempt to
denigrade their name in any way. The name Podspew refers to
www.podspew.com and apparently was intentionally named such by the
owner of the domain name and is certainly not my choice of a name.

Rick Savoia
The Force Field podcast for IT service providers
http://www.theforcefield.net


--- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Pat Cook \(The Left Wing
Conservative\)" <theleftwingconservative@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> There's a way around that you know.
>
> Take their feed and put it on FeedBurner.  You use the FeedBurner
URL and they can use their own feed.  This way, if you change hosts,
all you have to do is simply redirect people to the new feed URL
simply by logging onto FeedBurner (Don't forget your username and
password info!) and change it in there.
>
> By doing that, you have more accurate information that PodShow
does.
>
> And speaking of "PodSpew", there's a discussion on the
Videoblogging group regarding the safeness of VIDEOS on there.  Are
they safe (As in NO ROYALTY ISSUES)???  I'll be happy to pass along
the answer to this question.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat Cook
> HOST - The Left Wing Conservative Talk Show
> Denver, CO
> WEBSITE - http://www.geocities.com/theleftwingconservative/
>
>
> From: the Encaffeinated ONE
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:04 PM
> To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [podcasters] Podspew
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:
> >
> > You're talking about something else. Podspew.com didn't copy
anyone's
> > site or site content. They are redisplaying some feed info and
> > creating a text file with the enclosure URLs from the feed.
>
> You're right, of course -- it's a different species of ugliness.
Or maybe
> just a different sub-species under my general category of "ECH". ;)
>
> > More to the point, why is it unfortunate? Unless they're
stripping
> > attribution from you, it all points back to you. Ineffectively,
in an
> > ugly manner, and for squalid reasons, they're helping to promote
your
> > stuff. This is bad? Do you release on Creative Commons, or do you
> > prefer to keep people from redistributing the stuff you're
giving away
> > for free?
>
> Well, the one's that I've seen strip all links and often even any
sort of
> attribution. As for the RSS refeeders, I think it muddies the
water when
> someone who is searching for things by me are redirected to a
poorly-laid
> out or badly built site. The things is: they aren't really adding
any value
> to what I'm doing, and any negative things about them might
reflect poorly
> on them.
>
> I mean, if spam can have as great an effect as it does, there must
be people
> gullible or misinformed enough to fall for it. The same thing
applies to
> these feedleechers.
>
> Also, if *they* offer an RSS feed which is *not* mine, then I lose
listener
> trackability, and that definitely can have an effect on my
podcast. I'm not
> particularly obsessed with the numbers, but I like to have a
handle on the
> general size. And for those who are looking to (arg!) "monetize"
their
> stuff, they'll likely lose some evidence.
>
> I'm not saying that these are necessarily "evil", just "awful" and
> "detrimental".
>
> There are actual podcast directories that work this way, and
sometimes they
> take the care to make things right. Those I don't mind, although
if I choose
> to change my feed (as I am in the process of doing now) I can't
update them
> and therefore lose some control over my feed. I don't really care
about
> rebroadcasts, and I make sure to mention my URL in each episode,
but I *do*
> want to maintain a certain level of control over the channel.
>
> > Cute, but most of those Webfungus sites aren't scraping your Web
site.
> > They're reading your RSS feed. RSS feed agents aren't going to
run
> > any Javascript, they're just making straight HTTP get requests.
> > Unless you're willing to destroy the utility of your RSS feed
and only
> > serve files to Web browsers (i.e., stop being a podcaster), you
> > wouldn't fix anything this way.
>
> Well, if the RSS feed has full HTML text, you *can*, in fact, shove
> JavaScript into it, but I get your meaning. It feels a little like
the
> futility of fighting SPAM: we can do some things to minimize the
impact on
> our inbox, but we can't do much to stop the source. I admit, it's
a danger
> of the "free frontier" that we also appreciate highly, the freedom
comes at
> a price.
>
> > How much ad revenue are you getting from your Web site right
now? How
> > much do you think _they'll_ get? You're not talking about real
> > numbers here. The reason Webfungus grows to redistribute so much
crap
> > from so many places is because the business model is so bad, they
> > _need_ thousands and thousands of sites to pull in any revenue
at all.
>
> It's true, I don't actually make much ad revenue. Ok, really
none. ;) But it
> does disturb me a bit when I find my feed out of context, badly
displayed
> and getting the page impression that was meant for me..
>
> And while the business model is so bad that it *requires* mass
hits to work,
> that's not that hard to set up. It's a "poisoning the well"
situation, where
> they are not discouraged if they have to kill the entire town just
to kill
> one person, because they don't care about the town anyway..
>
> I just keep wondering about my mom as my typical example:
reasonably
> intelligent, but not really net savvy: if she forgot my web
address and did
> a search, would she know which one to choose? And if she chose the
wrong one
> -- one that, say, used porn banner ads -- would she realize that
it has
> nothing to do with me?
>
> A podcaster should have some rights to protect their image,
although they
> cannot be well-enforced in the current infrastructure..
>
> > I'm not saying they're doing a fine and noble thing. I'm just
> > suggesting that, as intellectual property infringement goes,
Webfungus
> > is more pathetic than dangerous.
>
> Doesn't stop me from complaining or spinning off quick thoughts
about how
> they might be smashed, however.. :) I would hope that, in time,
such sleazy
> business practices are defeated by a combination of intelligent
tools and
> intelligent people, but likely digital bottom-feeders will always
be around.
>
> And it always helps to bring up such things, especially here,
because there
> are always those who are not aware of them and need to be educated.
>
> encaf1/MK
>
> "An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be
made, in a
> narrow field." - Niels Bohr
> the Encaffeinated ONE <http://encaffeinated.ca/>
> Host of THE WEIRD SHOW <http://theweirdshow.com/>
> Crew on The 9th HeroesCAST <http://www.heroescast.com/>
>
> Spoken Word Coordinator, Host on CHSR FM 97.9 <http://chsrfm.ca/>
> Production Manager, Giant Gnome Productions
> (Junior) Member, Darker Projects,
<http://darkerprojects.com/>Pendant Audio
> Productions <http://pendantaudio.com/>, Broken Sea
Audio<http://brokensea.com/>
> *the Encaffeinated ONE*: Amateur Voice Actor, Podcaster, Amateur
Writer
> Wannabe, SF/F Fan, UNIX wizard, Geek.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Shawn Thorpe" <shawnogordo@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Mike Sharpe <windytwit@...> wrote:
>
> >   I've been recommended to ask here about a few questions, PG
Holyfield
> > (Podcast/Novel Author, at Podiobooks Community) Suggest that I come
> > here, and ask them.
> >
> > I'm in the early Stages of doing a Podcast, It has No name yet, but
> > has a general theme. (I'm planning to use it as a experience for my
> > PodioBook and some method to keep attracting new listeners)
> >
> > I've done a small search online, I've come across PodBean, as a
> > possible Free host for the Podcast. So is there any thing, such as
> > Catches, that I should be to be aware of?
> >
> > Mike Sharpe
> > BigNutter/windytwit
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>
> I tried PodBean.  I didn't like it.  The interface is clunky, and
you have
> to publish a "show blog" there, regardless of whether or not that
blog is
> your primary point of presence on the 'net.  And as has already been
> explained, PodBean's storage policies aren't as flexible as
LibSyn's.  So,
> why not just go with LibSyn?
>

Why not Libsyn? or any other PayHost?

My Cash card won't let buy stuff from most sites online. I can't get a
new card since I don't have a regular Job. I am very limited on
options. The card is Solo. (As in Visa or Mastercard)

I also am trying to find out If going solo is really an option for me.
I really don't want to be paying for stuff I don't want for other 11
Months, of the 12 month contract.

Also, I'm open to join most podcast who wants me. Going solo is really
experience for the Book I'm working on.

Mike

I was just reading on Matthew Ebel's blog about his second BMI check coming
in (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MatthewEbelBlog/~3/406442955/). Does
anyone here know anything about what type of license that is and costs
involved with it? If someone can find that information, I'll create a page
on Music Remyx (http://musicremyx.com) as a reference for other music
podcasters in the future. I have looked in the past and could not figure it
out.

--
Mike Wills
mike@...
Podcast Mike Productions http://podcastmike.com
Skype: koldark | Ph: 612-605-9821 (on CST or GMT -6)
Stalk me at http://friendfeed.com/mikewills

Podcasts:
Mike's Hotdish -- http://mikeshotdish.com
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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Mike Sharpe <windytwit@...> wrote:
> Why not Libsyn? or any other PayHost?
>
> My Cash card won't let buy stuff from most sites online. I can't get a
> new card since I don't have a regular Job. I am very limited on
> options.

1. Use OurMedia.org as your file host. No charge. http://archive.org

2. Get a free Tumblr account. Use this for your show notes.

3. Install Disqus so people can comment. Also free.

4. Run the feed through FeedBurner and let it create a podcast-enabled
feed for you. Also free.

Total cost: zero. Instructions on how to do everything above are
available. It will take some learning. You can figure it out on your
own with the power of Google and some well-placed searches.


E.

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For recording software, there's Audacity. It's absolutely free, well-
done, relatively easy to learn, and since so many people use it, there
are many places to find help if you have problems.

There are also many podcasts ABOUT podcasting. Two that I listen to
regularly, both my members of this forum, I believe, are:

Podcasting for Dummies Companion Podcast (Tee Morris)
Dave Jackson's School of Podcasting Morning Announcements (Dave Jackson)

If you can afford books, the two I started with are:

Podcasting for Dummies (Tee Morris, Evo Terra, Chuck Tomasi)
Podcast Solutions (Michael Geoghegan and Dan Klass)

This forum is filled with excellent podcasters, so I'm sure that I've
left out other really good sources, but these are the ones I started
with. (I'm still reading Podcast Solutions.)

Good luck!

Morven


www.morvenwestfield.com
www.myspace.com/morvenwestfield
http://podcast.morvenwestfield.com (podcast)

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>
> For recording software, there's Audacity. It's absolutely free, well-
> done, relatively easy to learn, and since so many people use it, there
> are many places to find help if you have problems.

I already have my own. My brother is in band and he got some hardware
and software for his Pc. I have a Copy of Cubase LE, that I've used
for some time now.

Also I do have some access to Cubase 4! (But I need to take my bro's
pen drive collection!)

I know that help will be hard to find... But It's what I needed to
learn of the Course I was on.

> There are also many podcasts ABOUT podcasting. Two that I listen to
> regularly, both my members of this forum, I believe, are:
>
> Podcasting for Dummies Companion Podcast (Tee Morris)
> Dave Jackson's School of Podcasting Morning Announcements (Dave Jackson)

Dummies Seasons 1&2 is on my iTunes, with Morevi.

> If you can afford books, the two I started with are:
>
> Podcasting for Dummies (Tee Morris, Evo Terra, Chuck Tomasi)
> Podcast Solutions (Michael Geoghegan and Dan Klass)

I'm planning to buy the Dummies Book. But I think I already know the
basics, well up to making a series of Audio files on my PC.

Mike

Mike - anyone who's a songwriter can sign up - there are certain
requirements, but it's available to you.  These guys go about the
business of making sure you get paid every time someone uses or plays
your music.  In the old days, they (along with ASCAP) had the
reputation of actually going out to bars and cracking skulls if the
bar were playing unlicensed music, but things are very different
now.  Definitely worth consideration if your music is being played a
lot.  Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure - I am a BMI member.


John F. McJunkin
Avalon Podcasting, LLC
877-MY-PODCAST
(877-697-6322)
480-219-8800 (in AZ)
866-401-2354 FAX
john@...
http://www.avalonpodcasting.com

On Sep 30, 2008, at 5:09 AM, Mike Wills wrote:

> I was just reading on Matthew Ebel's blog about his second BMI
> check coming
> in (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MatthewEbelBlog/~3/406442955/).
> Does
> anyone here know anything about what type of license that is and costs
> involved with it? If someone can find that information, I'll create
> a page
> on Music Remyx (http://musicremyx.com) as a reference for other music
> podcasters in the future. I have looked in the past and could not
> figure it
> out.
>



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Oh no... I am talking about the other way. Say in a year I have a successful
show with some decent income. What type of license do you get from BMI
and/or ASCAP so that when I play a song on my show, the band gets paid? Of
course I could care less about playing mainstream bands.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:22 PM, John McJunkin <john@...>wrote:

> Mike - anyone who's a songwriter can sign up - there are certain
> requirements, but it's available to you.  These guys go about the
> business of making sure you get paid every time someone uses or plays
> your music.  In the old days, they (along with ASCAP) had the
> reputation of actually going out to bars and cracking skulls if the
> bar were playing unlicensed music, but things are very different
> now.  Definitely worth consideration if your music is being played a
> lot.  Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure - I am a BMI member.
>
>
> John F. McJunkin
> Avalon Podcasting, LLC
> 877-MY-PODCAST
> (877-697-6322)
> 480-219-8800 (in AZ)
> 866-401-2354 FAX
> john@...
> http://www.avalonpodcasting.com
>
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 5:09 AM, Mike Wills wrote:
>
> > I was just reading on Matthew Ebel's blog about his second BMI
> > check coming
> > in (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MatthewEbelBlog/~3/406442955/).
> > Does
> > anyone here know anything about what type of license that is and costs
> > involved with it? If someone can find that information, I'll create
> > a page
> > on Music Remyx (http://musicremyx.com) as a reference for other music
> > podcasters in the future. I have looked in the past and could not
> > figure it
> > out.
> >
>
>
>
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mike@...
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Stalk me at http://friendfeed.com/mikewills

Podcasts:
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Music Remyx -- http://musicremyx.com


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I'm not sure about that, but if it's like the old days, you'll know
when you've become successful, because BMI and ASCAP will come a-
knockin'.  I just don't follow it closely enough, but I remember a
couple of years ago when some of my favorite live-streaming internet
radio stations were about to be forced off the air because they could
not afford to pay the licensure in order to keep using "hit" music.
I'm sure the same is true for "not-so-hit" music.  In the good-old/
bad-old days when I was a radio program director, I used to dread the
BMI "inventory" time of year, when I had to account for every song my
DJs played on the air for two or three days, and then report it back
to BMI so they could use the data to calculate payments to the
artists.  The kind of license to which you refer has historically
been referred to by some as the "enforcement" side of performance
rights organizations.  Some people don't like having to pay to play.


John F. McJunkin
Avalon Podcasting, LLC
877-MY-PODCAST
(877-697-6322)
480-219-8800 (in AZ)
866-401-2354 FAX
john@...
http://www.avalonpodcasting.com

On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Mike Wills wrote:

> Oh no... I am talking about the other way. Say in a year I have a
> successful
> show with some decent income. What type of license do you get from BMI
> and/or ASCAP so that when I play a song on my show, the band gets
> paid? Of
> course I could care less about playing mainstream bands.
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:22 PM, John McJunkin
> <john@...>wrote:
>
> > Mike - anyone who's a songwriter can sign up - there are certain
> > requirements, but it's available to you. These guys go about the
> > business of making sure you get paid every time someone uses or
> plays
> > your music. In the old days, they (along with ASCAP) had the
> > reputation of actually going out to bars and cracking skulls if the
> > bar were playing unlicensed music, but things are very different
> > now. Definitely worth consideration if your music is being played a
> > lot. Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure - I am a BMI member.
> >
> >
> > John F. McJunkin
> > Avalon Podcasting, LLC
> > 877-MY-PODCAST
> > (877-697-6322)
> > 480-219-8800 (in AZ)
> > 866-401-2354 FAX
> > john@...
> > http://www.avalonpodcasting.com
> >
> > On Sep 30, 2008, at 5:09 AM, Mike Wills wrote:
> >
> > > I was just reading on Matthew Ebel's blog about his second BMI
> > > check coming
> > > in (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MatthewEbelBlog/~3/406442955/).
> > > Does
> > > anyone here know anything about what type of license that is
> and costs
> > > involved with it? If someone can find that information, I'll
> create
> > > a page
> > > on Music Remyx (http://musicremyx.com) as a reference for other
> music
> > > podcasters in the future. I have looked in the past and could not
> > > figure it
> > > out.
> > >
> >
> >
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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Mike Wills <mike@...> wrote:

>   Oh no... I am talking about the other way. Say in a year I have a
> successful
> show with some decent income. What type of license do you get from BMI
> and/or ASCAP so that when I play a song on my show, the band gets paid? Of
> course I could care less about playing mainstream bands.
>
>
> .
>
>
>

To the best of my knowledge, none of the major music publishers (ASCAP, BMI,
etc.) have true licensing agreements for podcasters.  They may have
licensing agreements for streaming "web radio" stations, but that's not the
same thing as podcasting.  (And from what I understand, these licenses don't
come cheap.)  If artists choose to make their songs podsafe, it means
they're not looking for payment from podcasters.  They're looking for
promotion.  In order to be a good citizen when dealing with podsafe artists,
make sure you link to those artists' sites in your shownotes, and if you
really like them, buy some merchandise or send 'em a PayPal donation.

--
-Shawn "Shawno" Thorpe
Hyper Nonsense - Talk/comedy podcast from central California
http://www.hypernonsense.com/

Shawnogram - Content = life.
http://www.shawnogram.com/


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