Hi,

No takers then, seems a shame - would more money promote more takers I wonder?  Get back to me any one is interested.

Regards,

John.

John Washington wrote:

Darse,

Thanks for the reply - I dont expect there to be a player edge here but am interested in what the optimal strategy and house edge is, along with looking at the code with interest in the hopes of getting better at using the code, and programming it myself.

Regards,

John.

Darse Billings wrote:

I would also expect that all or close to all hands should play,
getting at least 3:1 odds, favourable implied odds, and a free
pass to the showdown. 32o wins just under 33% against a random
hand, and of course worse against the best of two random hands,
but it still might be near the playable region. I haven't done
any math to support that intuition, but I fully expect that an
optimal strategy is *far* from easy to describe. You have to
compute the EV for every possible flop and turn, and the outcome
for every possible board. The opponent hand distribution can be
pre-computed, and updated as board cards are revealed by zeroing
the impossible cases. All in all, that's a pretty big job, but
should be quite doable with today's machines.

- Darse.

On 4-Mar-07, at 10:46 AM, Darse Billings wrote:
>
> I just did a quick read of the rules. If I haven't misunderstood
> how the game is played, an optimal strategy will involve many hands
> that call the raise with draw odds, and then recover some equity
> by betting after the flop (favourable implied odds from +EV hands
> against the opponent's known distribution). With the exception
> of big pairs and perhaps some potentially dominating hands (e.g.
> AK), the preflop all-in is not a very powerful action, because a
> mere 60-40 advantage reduces the leverage considerably, and must
> abandon the implied odds from optionally flat betting one unit on
> the flop and turn.
>
> The good news is that it is not a difficult game to solve, because
> the EV can be computed for each case against the known distribution.
> I suppose the game designers did this when defining the game, to
> ensure a guaranteed profit against optimal play (and much better
> against typical humans, who are much weaker than they imagine).
> However, there have been many promotions in the past where the
> house failed to do the math properly, and ended up taking the
> worst of it, so it might be worth looking into.
>
>
> On 4-Mar-07, at 3:33 AM, JRWashington wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am interested in a program which optimally solves the wager works
>> casino game of Texas Hold'em shoot out, I am also interested in the
>> variance but not as much as the ideal strategy. My expectation is
>> that the optimal strategy would be all in or fold. The rules and the
>> bot behavior can be found
>>
>> http://casino.virgingames.com/GameDetails.do?menu=STRP&gameid=0068-0
>>
>> Bottom line is there are 2 possible pot states, you are effectively
>> always the small blind as one of the bots will always raise, leaving
>> either a 3 unit pot or a 4 unit pot.
>>
>> The you have the option to go all in, or fold, the bot will always
>> call your all in. An all in is worth 8x your ante so makes either a
>> 19 unit pot or a 20 unit pot and seeing 5 cards.
>>
>> The eval example would almost seem to do everything you need, apart
>> from, picking the stronger of the bots hand to play with.
>>
>> I am willing to pay upto $50 (by paypal most likely) for the house
>> advantage with an all in or fold, a proper strategy table/or
>> application for an all in or fold strategy, and the source code with
>> compilation instruction and code comments.
>>
>> If the optimum strategy is not all in or fold (eg it is call and play
>> down the streets), then, I will pay $100 if you are prepared to solve
>> that - and provide the same as above - application, HA and source with
>> comments, as it looks like more work.
>>
>> Many Thanks,
>>
>> John.
>>
>

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