The time has come, I sadly said
To put this busy list to bed!
So, move next door and stay awhile,
Keep me company while we compile
More info on the mysterious stuff,
The serious and yes, some fluff!
You are all new friends that I have met
All kinds of folks, and I'll bet
That the new salon will flourish and grow
So put fingers to keyboard and let it flow!

Yeah, I won't quit my day-job LOL

See ya next door!  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prep2003discuss2/
Or, if you don't want to join through Yahoo as a member, send an
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Di
prep2003 groups

--- In prep2003discuss@y..., Evilsizer3@a... wrote:
[snip]
> If you don't believe in the Bible, why keep the commandments?  I am
sure you
> dont lie, steal, murder, ?  Why live by the commandments if you
don't believe
> in the Bible. 

I see.  So, as far as you are concerned, you would be out there
killing people if it weren't for the Bible.  Thank goodness for
the Bible.


(Hint:  There are many religions and philosophies other
than Christianity that say murder is wrong.  Many of them are
even more insistent than Christianity. You certainly
can't deny that all sorts of atrocities have been committed
in the name of the Christian God.  But, I guess you can say
the people who committed these atrocities weren't "True
Christians", even though they claimed they were.  How do
I know that you are a "True Christian", anyway?)


[snip]


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In a message dated 11/1/02 6:37:16 AM Mountain Standard Time, sieglinde@... writes:

Using the Bible as the basis for all of my beliefs..... (I am entitled to my opinion here also)

May I list Christians who believe in evolution?

Any Christain who believes in evolution cant possibly be true to his faith and belief in the Bible.

Most mainstream Protestant churches.

MOST of anything does not make it right. That is why of the message to the Seven Chruches of Revelation, only ONE church (religion) that has the right message. And not everyone there, only a "remnant" have the real truth.

John Paul II.

The Catholics were forbidden to read the Bible for centuries. I wonder why. Because there is a message there they do not want their followers to hear. It has been my personal experience, that the Catholics that decide to seriously "study" the Bible end up leaving the church for they find they have been lied to all of their lives by the leaders of the church.

Other religions

Back to question number one of the seven churches.

Most Reform Jews believe in evolution. I rest my case . They are "reformed".  People who just "go with the flow" are not always right.

Sandi Evilsizer Koscak
Free Research
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evilsizer/
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on 10/30/02 6:36 PM, prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com at
prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> The is by far more evidence of GOD than there is of evoluttion
We weren't discussing God.  Neither was Darwin or any other biologist.  Your
theory is based on a literal interpretation of a metaphysical work.  It
destroys the beauty of the Bible.  By the way, pi is equal to 3 in the
Bible.  So don't use it as your math text book either.


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--- In prep2003discuss@y..., Evilsizer3@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/1/02 10:28:48 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> geoff2000s@y... writes:
>
>
> > Were you just trying to get me to waste my time?
> >
>
> No, I apologize. I will go back to look at them and respond. I have
been busy
> making arrangements to put my pet of 17 years to sleep.
>
> Sandi Evilsizer Koscak
> Free Research
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~evilsizer/
> Evilsizer Family in America
> Nuckolls Worldwide Kindred Society

Why is it that we are allowed to do this with pets, but not people?
Just wondering.

Bob

P.S. Turning out the lights now? ;-)

--- In prep2003discuss@y..., "geoff2000s" <geoff2000s@y...> wrote:
> Why didn't you reply to my answers to your questions about
evolution?> Were you just trying to get me to waste my time?




Who is wasting who's time???
If you didn't sound so condescending in your replies, maybe you'd
be worth replying to. Your attitude is very poor, Geoff.
And, looking over your replies to Sandi's questions, you didn't give
very good answers worth debating.
worm

--- In prep2003discuss@y..., Evilsizer3@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/1/02 9:21:48 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> geoff2000s@y... writes:
>
>
> > How do
> > I know that you are a "True Christian", anyway?)
> >
>
> It is your own personal relationship that each individual has with
Jesus
> Christ.  I know I am a true Christian. And "GEOFF" you always take
my
> statements out of context. We know there are Christians who commit
sins. But
> as long as you ask forgivness, you are forgiven. EVERYONE is guilty
of
> sinning EVERY day of their lives, even Chrsitians. It is only those
who ask
> for forgiveness who are saved.  Lets dont get into these discussions
on the
> list. I was just givng my reasons for joining. God Bless
>

Why didn't you reply to my answers to your questions about evolution?
Were you just trying to get me to waste my time?

Your right of course, I guess 1500 years plus is ancient (I wonder what the
qualifications are for ancient)
Although I guess you could argue the point. Historical document, yes.
Historically accurate document, perhaps not.

/Will

----- Original Message -----
From: "bobschader" <bobschader@...>
To: <prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: [prep2003discuss] Re: Evolved? "Geoff


> --- In prep2003discuss@y..., "Will Matthews" <will@a...> wrote:
> > Thanks Bob, but you stole a wee bit of my thunder (I truly was
> about to make
> > a point) ;-)
> > I was 'trying' to set a trap for a zealous Christian friends....
> (very badly
> > it seems, I apologise)
> >
> > Jesus? Historical document? LMAO!!!
> >
> > That was my point. The evolutionary theory was being hammered
> for 'lack of
> > evidence' when as a Christian, these people truly are standing in
> glass
> > houses with big piles of rocks.
> >
> > /Will
> >
> >
>
> Sorry about that, Will.
>
> I would think any document over 1500 years old could be referred to
> as historical. (i.e. ancient).
>
> So they are trying to point out the sliver in other's eyes when they
> have a log in their own? (from the bible somewhere)
>
> B.S.
>
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--- In prep2003discuss@y..., Evilsizer3@a... wrote:
[snip]
> If you don't believe in the Bible, why keep the commandments?  I am
sure you
> dont lie, steal, murder, ?  Why live by the commandments if you
don't believe
> in the Bible.

I see.  So, as far as you are concerned, you would be out there
killing people if it weren't for the Bible.  Thank goodness for
the Bible.


(Hint:  There are many religions and philosophies other
than Christianity that say murder is wrong.  Many of them are
even more insistent than Christianity. You certainly
can't deny that all sorts of atrocities have been committed
in the name of the Christian God.  But, I guess you can say
the people who committed these atrocities weren't "True
Christians", even though they claimed they were.  How do
I know that you are a "True Christian", anyway?)


[snip]

--- In prep2003discuss@y..., Evilsizer3@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/1/02 6:37:16 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> sieglinde@i... writes:
>
> Using the Bible as the basis for all of my beliefs..... (I am
entitled to my
> opinion here also)
>
> > May I list Christians who believe in evolution?
>
> Any Christain who believes in evolution cant possibly be true to his
faith
> and belief in the Bible.

WARNING: "No True Scotsman" fallacy encountered!

[snip]

on 10/30/02 6:36 PM, prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com at
prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Aren't you tired of faith in a system that cannot be true? Wouldn't it be
> great to know the God who made you ?
Sure.

I believe in deistically guided evolution.  How about that?  Must we all
interpret the Bible the way YOU do?

May I list Christians who believe in evolution?

Most mainstream Protestant churches.

John Paul II.

Other religions

Most Reform Jews believe in evolution.

on 10/30/02 6:36 PM, prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com at
prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> The is by far more evidence of GOD than there is of evoluttion
We weren't discussing God.  Neither was Darwin or any other biologist.  Your
theory is based on a literal interpretation of a metaphysical work.  It
destroys the beauty of the Bible.  By the way, pi is equal to 3 in the
Bible.  So don't use it as your math text book either.

on 10/30/02 6:36 PM, prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com at
prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> There is NO EVIDENCE of ANY life forms "EVOLVING"  . If you find ONE thing to
> support this "THEORY", I know a web site that will pay big bucks for the
> proof.  There has NEVER been ANY archeology study or remains of ANY animal
> that proves Evolution.  The Evolutionsists agree they have never had proof.
> If the professionals have never had proof, then why do we believe such
> "Nonsense"?
Evolution is not nonsense.  Did you watch the PBS mini-series on evolution?
What is your theory?  If it is Middle Eastern mythology.  I am not
interested.

Why do the professionals believe such nonsense?  Because it works with the
other theories and facts of biology.  It is too logical to be nonsense.  The
fossil record supports it.  Genetics and biology support it.  It is based on
years of thought and research.

I have not heard any satisfactory substitute theories.  All of the ones I
have heard are based on a literal interpretation of the Bible.  To those
that don't believe that the Bible should be interpreted literally, those
theories are nonsense.

Nonsense could be defined as something that makes no sense.  Evolution makes
sense to a lot of people.  It makes a lot more sense to me than making the
Bible a science text book.

Now, I know I am making an assumption.  Some Native Americans don't believe
in evolution but believe in the mythologies of their people.  Not anymore
scientific than the Bible.  But you could be a person who believes in those
mythologies rather than the Middle Eastern ones.  So I apologize if you
weren't basing your belief on the mythology I guessed you were basing it on.

Thank you V,
Enlightening..
Anna

--- In prep2003discuss@y..., "V" <webman@i...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tuatha" <tuatha@c...>
>
> Hopi Blue Star or Blue Kachina Prophecy
>
> - White Feather of the Bear Clan
>
> An ancient Hopi Indian prophecy states, "When the Blue Star Kachina
makes
> its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge". -SNIP-

John,
Here is another mass extinction article just out.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?
tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=science&cat=endangered_species

Unbelievable - almost 50% of the world's plants in danger of
extinction.

Peace - Anna

--- In prep2003discuss@y..., "sudnlyaware" <aross11644@y...> wrote:
> John,
-SNIP-
> We are currently living in a time of mass extinction. It has been
> stated by the scientific community as well. (these aren't my best
> links - I'll search for my others)
>
> http://www.ens-news.com/ens/oct2002/2002-10-18-02.asp
> http://www.well.com/user/davidu/extinction.html
> http://www.srs.fs.fed.us/pubs/viewpub.jsp?index=4444
-SNIP-

--- In prep2003discuss@y..., "Will Matthews" <will@a...> wrote:
> Thanks Bob, but you stole a wee bit of my thunder (I truly was
about to make
> a point) ;-)
> I was 'trying' to set a trap for a zealous Christian friends....
(very badly
> it seems, I apologise)
>
> Jesus? Historical document? LMAO!!!
>
> That was my point. The evolutionary theory was being hammered
for 'lack of
> evidence' when as a Christian, these people truly are standing in
glass
> houses with big piles of rocks.
>
> /Will
>
>

Sorry about that, Will.

I would think any document over 1500 years old could be referred to
as historical. (i.e. ancient).

So they are trying to point out the sliver in other's eyes when they
have a log in their own? (from the bible somewhere)

B.S.

--- In prep2003discuss@y..., "worm_hole_surfer"
<wormhole_surfer@y...> wrote:
> --- In prep2003discuss@y..., "bobschader" <bobschader@a...> wrote:
> ; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of
> > teeth.
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > You know reading this just now, I have to ask myself, what is
> > scarier? Blindsided, et. al, or this prophecy?
> > > B.S.
>
>
>
> Ya know, Bob...none of it scares me. I welcome "the will of God."
> What scares me is where our society is heading. Authority figures
> in our lives to the point where now they're wanting to implant
> tracking devices under our skin. And some will still deny that this
> is prophecy fulfilled. These things will come to pass, and so many
> fools will suffer for their ignorance and their stubbornness. Their
> steadfast belief in science and logic. Not everything can be
> explained away with logic. Just because there are FALSE prophets,
> doesn't mean there aren't REAL PROPHETS! You can't have one without
> the other.
> I prefer PX, but either way we'll be knashing our teeth. :-)
> worm

Worm, I am not personally scared by it either. I was just trying to
make a comparison of the predictions.

B.S.

Planet X: Fact or Fiction has several new articles for consumption.
Take a look below for brief descriptions and direct links:

New article published to 'Planet X: Fact or Fiction' - "Putting
Planet X to the Test": A comprehensive and scientific viewpoint by
Tom Smith. - http://www.enteract.com/~jorune/docs/doc0005.htm

New article posted to Planet X: Fact or Fiction - "ZetaTalk and the
Lady that Talks with Aliens" - ZetaTalk is a popular site and is a
phenomenon in itself. Some commentary is provided here for those who
are confused about the "lady that talks with aliens". -
http://www.enteract.com/~jorune/docs/doc0003.htm

Planet X Pictures and the 'Big Picture' - Many pictures are flying
around the Planet X community. Here are some of my interpretation of
those photos along with the pictures themselves and links to their
sources. - http://www.enteract.com/~jorune/docs/doc0002.htm

Also, you can visit our main site here:
http://www.enteract.com/~jorune/px.htm

-Jorune

P.S.  New bulletin board system installed at Planet X: Fact or
Fiction... news posted daily. No advertisements!
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news, messages, and opinions! Registration NOT required!)

You mean like the cookbook on the twilight zone---How to serve Man ?

I guess too many rads spoil the broth!


--- In prep2003discuss@y..., Damian Barton and Jenine Plunkett
<jpordb@o...> wrote:
> Hi Mojo,
> what if though they (the aliens) have an interest in
> continual regular harvesting of their
> 'cattle' (us humans) and want to keep the
> environment pristine so it habitable to us?
> Regards
> Damian.
>
> mojo_j_2000 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It seems that aliens are not worried with the fate of humanity.
They
> > are basically worried about the planets environment.
> >
> > http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/16/36691.html

;-)

Thanks Bob, but you stole a wee bit of my thunder (I truly was about to make
a point) ;-)
I was 'trying' to set a trap for a zealous Christian friends.... (very badly
it seems, I apologise)

Jesus? Historical document? LMAO!!!

That was my point. The evolutionary theory was being hammered for 'lack of
evidence' when as a Christian, these people truly are standing in glass
houses with big piles of rocks.

/Will



----- Original Message -----
From: "bobschader" <bobschader@...>
To: <prep2003discuss@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:47 AM
Subject: [prep2003discuss] Re: Evolved? "Geoff


> --- In prep2003discuss@y..., "Will Matthews" <will@a...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mathew 24,  False prophets and how to deal
> > with them (I've paraphrased, but I'm working
> > from memory)
> >
> > /Will
>
> You might want to consider a test for Alzheimer's
> or consider refreshing your memory! ;-) Matthew 24
> deals mainly with the answering this question:
> "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what
> will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of
> the age?".
>
> One of these signs is that there shall be many false prophets, but
> nowhere does it say how to deal with them except to warn against
> being deceived by them. This is just one small piece on the entire
> text describing what is to happen. Now I do not consider myself a
> religious person per se, but I do tend to get irked when people
> misquote any historical text. So I've decided to include the entire
> text of this chapter only in light of what it says about Jesus's
> predictions of the end times, since in many ways that is what Planet
> X and Earthchanges amounts to. So let's please not turn this into a
> religous debate. The following excerpt is from the New American
> Standard Bible version: (I've removed verse numbers so it reads
> easier and more compactly)
>
> Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples
> came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. And He said to
> them, "Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one
> stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down."
> As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him
> privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what
> will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" And
> Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads
> you. "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and
> will mislead many. "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars.
> See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place,
> but that is not yet the end. "For nation will rise against nation,
> and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be
> famines and earthquakes. "But all these things are merely the
> beginning of birth pangs. "Then they will deliver you to tribulation,
> and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My
> name. "At that time many will fall away and will betray one another
> and hate one another. "Many false prophets will arise and will
> mislead many. "Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love
> will grow cold. "But the one who endures to the end, he will be
> saved. "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole
> world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will
> come. "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was
> spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let
> the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the
> mountains. "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the
> things out that are in his house. "Whoever is in the field must not
> turn back to get his cloak. "But woe to those who are pregnant and to
> those who are nursing babies in those days! "But pray that your
> flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. "For then there
> will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the
> beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. "Unless those days
> had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake
> of the elect those days will be cut short. "Then if anyone says to
> you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe
> him. "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show
> great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the
> elect. "Behold, I have told you in advance. "So if they say to
> you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold,
> He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them. "For just as the
> lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will
> the coming of the Son of Man be. "Wherever the corpse is, there the
> vultures will gather. "But immediately after the tribulation of those
> days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
> AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens
> will be shaken. "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in
> the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they
> will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power
> and great glory. "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT
> TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds,
> from one end of the sky to the other. "Now learn the parable from the
> fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth
> its leaves, you know that summer is near; So, you too, when you see
> all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the
> door. "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until
> all these things take place. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My
> words will not pass away. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not
> even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. "For
> the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. "For
> as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking,
> marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the
> ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them
> all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. "Then there will
> be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. "Two
> women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be
> left. "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your
> Lord is coming. "But be sure of this, that if the head of the house
> had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would
> have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be
> broken into. "For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of
> Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will. "Who then is
> the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his
> household to give them their food at the proper time? "Blessed is
> that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. "Truly I say
> to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. "But if
> that evil slave says in his heart, 'My master is not coming for a
> long time,' and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink
> with drunkards; the master of that slave will come on a day when he
> does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, and will
> cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that
> place there will be weeping and gnashing of
> teeth.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> You know reading this just now, I have to ask myself, what is
> scarier? Blindsided, et. al, or this prophecy?
>
> B.S.
>
>
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--- In prep2003discuss@y..., "bobschader" <bobschader@a...> wrote:
; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of
> teeth.
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> You know reading this just now, I have to ask myself, what is
> scarier? Blindsided, et. al, or this prophecy?
> > B.S.



Ya know, Bob...none of it scares me. I welcome "the will of God."
What scares me is where our society is heading. Authority figures
in our lives to the point where now they're wanting to implant
tracking devices under our skin. And some will still deny that this
is prophecy fulfilled. These things will come to pass, and so many
fools will suffer for their ignorance and their stubbornness. Their
steadfast belief in science and logic. Not everything can be
explained away with logic. Just because there are FALSE prophets,
doesn't mean there aren't REAL PROPHETS! You can't have one without
the other.
I prefer PX, but either way we'll be knashing our teeth. :-)
worm

Distruction is easy ask any one who watches 6 > 18 year old boys.
  Creation takes time, dedecation, and vision. Transfomation is even
harder because being on the inside the transformed does not see the
change, but in a lifetime some progress can be made.
Like foxwothy said when he broke his mother Jack Danials "Elvis
decanter" and his mom said, "We can't have nutton nice around here!"
> I REALLY like that vision and prophecy.
> Stop, rewind, start over. There is much good in the world, but
> the evil is overpowering all around permeating everything. It is
> time for a change. Time to go back to a simpler way of life.
> I hope the internet can survive. :-)
> If not, I will miss you all.
> worm