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" Becareful that you don't mix up Judging and discerning. "

Hi Ed,Thanks for the encouragement..
Its all just semantics
Some say tomato,and some say tomato.
My Line of education is Old School ..
That's one of the problems with the English Language, Too many Words Mean the
same thing.

Its all good,

Jake
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ed
   To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:39 PM
   Subject: [prepare4contact] Re: On reptilian humans and government projects


   Hi Jake,

   You asks yourself very good questions. Always do so until you are
   satisfied.

   I'll use these most beautiful words that will perhaps convey a message
   and that is,

    "We are not physical beings having a spiritual experience. We are
   spiritual beings having a physical experience"

   Oh and if I may say one parting thing before I wrap up here is this.
   Becareful that you don't mix up Judging and discerning.  They are so
   very similar in nature but they are also different.


   Peace, Love and Enlightenment,

   Ed

   --- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, "Jake" <jrex310@c...> wrote:
   > ." Rather than emphasize differences, he says, "the great social
   function of these tests is that they absolutely drive home kinship -
   that [humans] are all related."
   >
   > Hi Group,
   > I know this is not a direct relation as to dealing with People and
   their differing personalities. But it is related when we try to figure
   out " Who We Are."
   > I don't Know even how it will be received..You See, In these many
   past months,I have Asked One Question over and over again.." Who Am I "
   > I Put My Self. Through a barrage of questions as to,What I Think,How
   I Think,Why I Think,and Then, Why I Feel, What I Feel, and Why I Feel it.
   > I Guess it all boils down to Looking for God..What Connects Us in
   Nature ?  What connects us To Nature ?
   >
   > Iren Is Soooo Beautifully RIGHT.In seeking the Commonalities of " US
   " In Love, as opposed to the differences we STRIVE to find and so
   quickly Point out...
   > We Need to know who we,So that we can figure out,Who We Want to Be
   and then, where we are going..
   >
   > How can I Judge Who is Alien if I cant Judge Myself ,and See That
   the Alien Is Me..
   >
   > Sometimes Its All Sad,
   > But Then,To See That,   Means,
   >
   > Its All Good...
   >
   > Its and Educational Read.. Long But Enlightening...
   >
   > Jake
   >
   >
   > .MIXED ROOTS: SCIENCE LOOKS AT FAMILY TREES
   > By Gregory M. Lamb
   > Christian Science Monitor
   > April 28, 2005
   >
   > http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0428/p14s02-stct.html
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >   ----- Original Message -----
   >   From: Dr Michael Salla
   >   To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
   >   Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 11:36 AM
   >   Subject: [prepare4contact] Re: On reptilian humans and government
   projects
   >
   >
   >   Aloha Cassie and Barbara, I'd like to offer my reflections with what
   >   occurred in the past with Purple Crow since some might construe what
   >   occurred as some kind of bias the forum has against those claiming
   >   to be reptilians starseeds. When Purple Crow first came to the
   >   forum, he was received in the way you described despite the efforts
   >   of a few including myself to welcome him. I recall that there were a
   >   few who began insulting him so he eventually decided to withdraw
   >   from the forum. That was unfortunate but understandable given the
   >   varied response he received to his posts. Privately, I and others
   >   stayed in touch with him and had good relations with him.
   >
   >   After a lengthy period, Purple Crow returned to the forum and began
   >   a verbal assault on me and others for promoting the idea of
   >   benevolent human ETs and dangerous/untrustworthy reptilian ETs. That
   >   was unfortunate but there was a core of truth to what both of us was
   >   saying. On my part, when we examine the contactee/abductee data, the
   >   conclusion is that there is indeed a benevolent human ET presence
   >   that is being covered up since knowledge of that would destabilize
   >   the control system set in place. At the same time, there are
   >   reptilians who linked into the control system who are untrustworthy
   >   and destabilizing the situation on the planet. While I was careful
   >   to always qualify my posts to say that not all reptilians were
   >   untrustworthy or part of the control agenda, this was not enough for
   >   Purple Crow who preceeded to verbally attack me and others for
   >   our 'benevolent human ET' bias and left the forum in a frenzied
   >   huff. I found his behavior quite puzzling and certainly not what I
   >   would expect from someone promoting friendly diplomatic relations
   >   with reptilians.
   >
   >   I think when we look closely at the whole ET phenomenon, we will
   >   find that generalizations fall apart. Some reptilians are indeed
   >   friendly and desiring to assist human evolution, while some human
   >   looking ETs are renegades intent on destabilizing the planet.
   >   Nevertheless, if we follow the data, the conclusion is that
   >   Reptilians are largely behind the global control system, while human
   >   looking ETs are attempting to undermine the global control system.
   >   There are exeptions to this generalization but I think its where
   >   most of the data points, despite Purple Crow's protestations of bias
   >   for trying to emphasize the friendly human ETs. If we ignore the
   >   data from experiencers/contactees then we enter a dangerous arena of
   >   just believing what we would like ETs to be, rather than
   >   understanding what ETs are actually like.
   >
   >   Personally, I have no grudge towards Purple Crow. However, I do find
   >   him to make statements that reflect a kind of impatience and
   >   frustration with those discussing the ET presence who hold positions
   >   different to his own. That is not a good basis for promoting
   >   friendly human-reptilian communications. There are others who have
   >   posted on the forum promoting the idea of friendly reptilians who
   >   have not experienced the kind of response that Purple Crow received.
   >   I think most members of the forum, including myself, are open to
   >   some kind of dialogue with representatives of reptilians. While the
   >   moderating team can minimize verbal insults and attackes on those
   >   promoting a pro-reptilian position, its naive to believe all members
   >   will welcome such a dialogue given the negative experiences they
   >   and/or others have about reptilians.
   >
   >   As for Cassie recommendation of not judging ET races, I think we
   >   need to exercize discernment. Basically, we need to be aware of what
   >   ETs such as the Reptilians have been doing in the past, and their
   >   participation in covert projects with national security agencies.
   >   This is not to judge reptilians, it's just being aware of what they
   >   have done and use that knowledge to make the right choices for what
   >   lies ahead with open contact. These are complex issues where we need
   >   to be patient and tolerant of one another as we wade through the
   >   issues. I did not find Purple Crow to be very patient or tolerant in
   >   stating his concerns over the pro-human ET bias.
   >
   >   In peace
   >
   >   Michael S.
   >
   >
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#13435

From: "terrarubicon" <terrarubicon@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 7:00 pm
Subject: Debunking tactics

terrarubicon

Debunking Extraterrestrial Intelligence

<> Argue that all reports of humanoid extraterrestrials
must be bogus because the evolution of the humanoid
form on Earth is the result of an infinite number of
accidents in a genetically isolated environment. Avoid
addressing the logical proposition that if interstellar
visitations have occurred, Earth cannot be considered
genetically isolated in the first place.

<> Argue that extraterrestrials would or wouldn't, should
or shouldn't, can or can't behave in certain ways because
such behavior would or wouldn't be logical. Base your
notions of logic on how terrestrials would or wouldn't
behave. Since terrestrials behave in all kinds of ways you
can theorize whatever kind of behavior suits your
arguments.

<> Stereotype contact claims according to simplistic
scenarios already well established in the collective
imagination. If a reported ET contact appears to have
had no negative consequences, sarcastically accuse the
claimant of believing devoutly that "benevolent ETs have
come to magically save us from destroying ourselves!"
If someone claims to have been traumatized by an alien
contact, brush it aside as "a classic case of hysteria." If
contactees stress the essential humanness and limitations
of certain ETs they claim to have met, ask "why haven't
these omnipotent beings offered to solve all our problems
for us?"

<> When reluctant encounter witnesses step forward,
accuse them indiscriminately of "seeking the limelight"
with their outlandish stories.

<> Where hypnotic regression has yielded consistent
contactee testimony in widespread and completely
independent cases, argue that hypnosis is probably
unreliable, and is always worthless in the hands of
non-credentialed practitioners. Be sure to add that the
subjects must have been steeped in the ET-contact
literature, and that, whatever their credentials, the
hypnotists involved must have been asking leading
questions.

<> If someone claims to have been emotionally
impacted by a contact experience, point out that strong
emotions can alter perceptions. Therefore, the claimant's
recollections must be entirely untrustworthy.

#13436

From: "globuo012003" <globuo01@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 8:23 pm
Subject: airline mechanic describes chemtrail setup in a jet

globuo012003

This is only tangentially exo, but it may show how a black budget
group acts to intevene in civil affairs. This email saying it's from
an airline mechanic who discovered the chemtrails apparatus in
airliners was taken from http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails_2.htm

I received the following email on the 18th of April as it was
forwarded to me from someone who may have answered several questions
I have had about the incorporation of the civilian air fleet into a
portion of this atmospheric project.

My questions have been:  The weight and volume of the chemical
mixture delivered while in flight including the delivery mechanism?
How much of a financial burden is it to carry this extra weight
aloft with each flight?  How is the plumbing kept 'hidden' from the
many mechanics.  Who does and how are the tanks refilled?   Read on:
Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?

SIPL | April 17 2005

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge
my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our
maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some
information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among
mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you
have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines,
or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are
considered at the top of the "pecking order".

Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air
conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and
other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are
the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.

No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are
used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport
where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer
to work on the lavatory systems.

The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you
will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any
one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no
mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the
waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until
last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with
the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a
problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.

Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the
other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane
for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know
what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the
problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do
but to crawl in and fix the problem.

When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right.
There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there.
At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed.
It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular
model of aircraft.

As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping
and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I
had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company
showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this
particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.

As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me
to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his
end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring
schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra
equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any
of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I
even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now
I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for
periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane
during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided
to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all
the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one
on the plane.

Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to
trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared
to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking
avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.

I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves
but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only
wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's
main power bus.

The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell
in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could
hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain
valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve
for the waste system.

When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I
found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to
access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a
network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings
and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a
set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the
trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge
wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that
builds up on a plane in flight.

I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1
out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had
been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to
be discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me.
He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over
and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue
my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I
was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to
take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the
paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When
I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I
did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem
had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and
suspended for turning in false paperwork.

He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false
paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few
hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that
this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.

The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a
look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then
asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were
airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was
parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the
union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told
everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts
bay and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed
box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor
with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I
was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell
had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice
told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in
things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems
that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm
feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work
soon." CLICK.

Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it
was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened
to me must have been directly connected to my tracing
the "mysterious" piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to
my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been
reduced to one day and that I should report back to work
immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they
trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the
other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me
not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try
to find some answers.

I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that
talked about chemically-laced contrails.

That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I
found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the
cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of
yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they
are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are
the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near
these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While
these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they
could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.

They know the planes flight path so they probably program the
control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane
reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static
wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

#13437

From: antigray@...
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 11:21 am
Subject: Re: Re:Re: On reptilian humans and government projects

antigray

Hi Cassie,
I am not prejudging purple or any Real Repto Sapiens. Over the years I've
seen what some of his ex-girl friends have written online about how he
mistreated
them and why they broke up, the information they spilled about evictions,
lawsuits against him (the contents of which were posted), criminal charges, and
a
lot more. A real Reptoid trying to accomplish a covert mission would not call
themselves a Reptoid and then attract so much attention to themselves by
outlandish negative behavior. I've discussed him with others in other forums and
have had people say well maybe he is a bad cast out Reptilian, a retarded or
disturbed Reptilian, etc, etc.. Purple is just a human who is role-playing as a
Reptilian persona. If you read everything he has written online (I have read
nearly all of it- I belong to his yahoo group and other groups where he has
posted) he gives himself away too many times by what he says. There IS a real
Reptoid posing as a UFO researcher who inadvertently revealed his shape to two
women who were known to him and had wanted to talk to him after a lecture he
gave at a UFO seminar. He had some momentary problem with the holographic form
projection equipment he had and for a few seconds they saw he was a Reptoid.
Using some advanced force generating device he picked up one of the women from
50
feet away and threw her very hard into the wall on the other side of the
conference room. He threatened to kill both of them if they ever reported what
they had seen. One of them told a researcher I know about it so in case anything
ever happened to her someone would know who to blame. This was about five
years ago and all of the people involved are still so frightened that I still
haven't been able to find out the name of the Reptilian "researcher." One of the
women involved just moved to Australia. So, real Reptoids act differently than
Purple. If you look at his postings you can figure that out.
Art
In a message dated 5/2/2005 6:23:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:29:05 -0500
>    From: "Cassie" <PSYCHE@...>
> Subject: Re: Re:Re: On reptilian humans and government projects
>
> Art,
>
> I have never known Purple to be abusive towards women...while he is pretty
> open in discussing his personal life..abuse towards women are not a part of
> that. I think you overlooked his position in the role playing sexual lifestyle
> he discusses...as he is the more passive partner.
> On the validity of him being a reptoid sapien...it might help you Art...to
> imagine a baby "alien" waking up in a human body. The body feels
> foreign...doesn't work right, is limited...much like driving a new type of
vehicle would
> be. The alien is not sure quite how to operate the controls or what the
> function of the vehicle is to be. If he operates it the way he did his old
body in
> another reality or world, then he is chastized by conservative human as being
> innappropriate culturally or out of line, maybe too racey, or not
> politically correct. After time the alien begins to try and not care that he
is not
> accepted...and try to find out where he does fit in...so experimentation with
> different groups begins...until he find a group that accepts him as he
> is...loves him for himself.  Imagine Art...if you woke up in a reptilian
body...had
> been reborn as a reptilian.
> What would you do with that body...what if you never fit in to the reptilian
> culture, what if everything you did from the food you ate, the way you
> positioned your tail, the way you dressed, mated, played, or spoke was WRONG?
What
> if the others immediately took a disliking to you because you said you felt
> as a HUMAN in a reptilian body?
> How would you operate in groups of other reptilians?
> How would you feel if others assumed your motives, thoughts and agendas had
> a particular flavor to them without knowing you as an individual? or
> categorized you with another group of renegade humans born in reptilian bodies
who
> are known for overly agressive behaviors?
> This may be a little bit strange way of gaining insight into another point
> of view...but without trying to understand anothers point of view, we all
> cannot judge what their motives are or are not.
>
> Bigotry is a disease of ignorance, of morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free
> and buoyant. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both....Thomas
> Jefferson.
>
> as always...love,
>
> Cassie
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: antigray@...
>   To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:25 AM
>   Subject: [prepare4contact] Re:Re: On reptilian humans and government
> projects
>
>
>   In a message dated 5/1/2005 7:10:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>   prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com writes:
>   >Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:55:25 -0500
>   >    From: "barbyork" <barbyork@...>
>   >Subject: Re: Re: On reptilian humans and government projects
>   >
>   >I cannot vouch for the authenticity or inauthenticity of the information
>   >here, but I can only state that our experience with Purple Crow here on
> this
>   >website, and my observation of him on others, was that he was extremely
>   >provocative, hostile, defamatory, name-calling and even potentially
> threatening.
>   >Despite whatever seemingly valid information he may have had to share,
> his
>   >behavior and general demeanor were highly questionable and his verbal
> expression
>   >was far from socially acceptable or self-controlled.
>   >
>   >Barbara
>   >Hi Barb,
>   >You are right. I have been following the exploits of Purple for several
>   >years now myself. The most disturbing thing is his abusiveness toward
> women. It
>   >could just be part of the bondage and domination life he is into but it
> is a
>   >symptom of something. You can read all about it on his group website. I
> can
>   >assure you he does not speak for or represent any Repto Sapien species.
>   >Art
>


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#13438

From: "Dr Michael Salla" <exopolitics@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 9:26 pm
Subject: Exopolitics Courses and Seminars over Summer

exopolitics

Aloha all, here's a notice I just sent out on my exopolitics list
about upcoming courses and seminars.
In peace, Michael S.

*************************************

Aloha, I want to take this opportunity to promote my forthcoming
summer courses in exopolitics that start in the week of May 16. I
think they are samples of the kinds of courses one will eventually
encounter in graduate University programs once there is open
disclosure of the ET presence. So the courses are a way that
prospective students and the instructor can analyze the extensive
exopolitical data that exists. The course structure, content and
evaluation is modeled on the graduate courses I have taught at
American University, Washington DC.; George Washington University;
and the Australian National University. So in that sense prospective
students will find it similar to many online courses offered by
universities. The main difference is that the content
is 'exopolitics' which is still not considered a serious academic
study at most universities, and there is no formal association with
any accredited teaching center.

When I approached the former Director of the Center for Global Peace
at American University in January 2003 for permission to publish my
very first exopolitics article under the auspices of the Center. He
replied to the effect that "such a topic has no place in the Center,
nor at American University." That basically stymied my first effort
to have exopolitics research considered at the university level, and
I also had to cancel a scheduled disclosure lecture I had organized
with Dr Steven Greer at American University for early 2003 which he
had agreed to conduct. The Director's response also set in place a
process whereby my eight year affiliation with American University
was eventually not renewed for my temerity in having the Washington
Post conduct an interview with me of my research into allegations of
Eisenhower having met with a delegation of extraterrestrials in
February 20, 1954. The testimonies I collected for that alleged
meeting can be read at:
http://www.exopolitics.org/Study-Paper-8.htm . I think that the
most powerful circumstantial evidence supporting the existence of
such a meeting is that on March 1, 1954 (9 days later), the US
conducted its Bravo Test of the Hydrogen bomb where a 15 megaton
test occurred on the Bikini atoll. I think it very plausible that
visiting ETs would have known of the forthcoming test and arranged
for a diplomatic meeting with President Eisenhower to ask for an
abandonment of thermonuclear weapons testing.

I think I have already made the case for why exopolitics research is
valid despite the lack of hard evidence, and corroborating witness
testimony for many of the whistleblowers cited in my exopolitics
research. The exopolitical research method is presented in the very
first course, "Introduction to Exopolitics", that examines the main
evidentiary sources of exopolitics. The course systematically
examines data from whistleblowers, witnesses, contactees/abductees,
independent archeologists, remote viewing, and, yes, 'channeling to
provide students some exposure to the main data circulating in the
field. The course then moves on to examining the main theories
accounting for the motivations and activities of extraterrestrials.
You can get an idea of the course structure and content by reading
my first online study paper:
http://www.exopolitics.org/Study-Paper1.htm

The second course is "Citizen Diplomacy with Extraterrestrials"
which examines the kinds of issues that private citizens have when
establishing communications and interactions with visiting
extraterrestrial races. Starting with the alleged Eisenhower
meeting, the data supporting the existence of 'official' galactic
diplomacy with extraterrestrials is overwhelming in my view. I
believe that rather than stop at efforts to disclose the truth of
the secret diplomacy conducted by the "shadow government" (or
the "secret government within the government" as Bill Clinton
alleged to Sarah McClendon) we need to learn about the basics
of 'citizen' or 'track two' diplomacy so they can initiate their own
diplomatic initiatives with visiting extraterrestrials. I think that
the exclusive focus on finding incontrovertible proof of the
extraterrestrial presence no longer serves the purpose it once did
and we now need to take action to directly mitigate the egregious
effects of the current diplomatic agreements between the 'shadow
government' and some extraterrestrial races.
You can find out more about the two summer exopolitics courses at:
http://www.exopolitics.org/Courses.htm

For those interested further in the idea of 'citizen diplomacy with
extraterrestrial's, I recommend taking a look at the one week
seminars that I have co-organized that examine the different
extraterrestrials races visiting the earth, their motivations and
activities. My study paper describing the different ET races is
available at: http://www.exopolitics.org/Report-ET-Motivations.htm .
Information about the "Citizen Diplomacy" seminars which are held in
Hawaii and include dolphin swims is available at:
http://www.galacticdiplomacy.com/GD-Seminars.htm . I think that
members of the diplomatic community should be the first to take
advantage of this seminar and also the diplomacy course since quite
simply, they are being decieved by the procedures and mechanisms put
in place by the 'shadow government' that such alleged official
diplomacy with extaterrestrials is fiction.

Finally, I believe that those who thoroughly familiarize with the
various issues concerning exopolitics and 'galactic diplomacy'
through courses and seminars similar to those I'm conducting, will
be best placed to deal with the challenges that lie ahead as we move
into an era of open disclosure of visiting extraterrestrial races.

Michael Salla, PhD
www.exopolitics.org
www.galacticdiplomacy.com

#13439

From: "Ed" <tbolt_65@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 9:45 pm
Subject: Chem. Trails: An Airlines Mechanics Story

tbolt_65

http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails_2.htm

I received the following email on the 18th of April as it was
forwarded to me from someone who may have answered several questions I
have had about the incorporation of the civilian air fleet into a
portion of this atmospheric project.

My questions have been:  The weight and volume of the chemical mixture
delivered while in flight including the delivery mechanism? How much
of a financial burden is it to carry this extra weight aloft with each
flight?  How is the plumbing kept 'hidden' from the many mechanics.
Who does and how are the tanks refilled?   Read on: Did An Airline
Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?

SIPL | April 17 2005

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my
identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our
maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some
information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among
mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you
have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or
the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are
considered at the top of the "pecking order".

Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air
conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and
other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are
the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.

No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used
to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I
have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work
on the lavatory systems.

The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you
will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one
airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic
socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last
month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other
airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a
plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.

Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the
other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane
for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know
what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the
problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do
but to crawl in and fix the problem.

When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There
were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At
first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It
had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of
aircraft.

As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and
tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had
just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up.
It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type
of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.

As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to
"worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring
schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment
I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra
equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in
to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really
determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for
periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane
during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided
to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the
mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on
the plane.

Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to
trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to
be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics
control box but it had no markings of any kind.

I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves
but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only
wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's
main power bus.

The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell
in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could
hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain
valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for
the waste system.

When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I
found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to
access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a
network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings
and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a
set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the
trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge
wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that
builds up on a plane in flight.

I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1
out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been
"hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be
discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He
ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I
had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue
my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I
was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to
take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I
went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did
not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had
been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for
turning in false paperwork.

He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false
paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours
before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was
ridiculous and that I had done this work.

The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a
look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then
asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were
airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was
parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the
union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told
everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay
and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box.
He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with
the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was
suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell
had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice
told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in
things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that
are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling
generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.

Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it
was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened
to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious"
piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my
past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced
to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only
thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are
'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other
mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to
talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find
some answers.

I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that
talked about chemically-laced contrails.

That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found
a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat.
Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are
doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the
trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these
trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys
are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be
filling the tanks of the spray system.

They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control
unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a
certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so
small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

=============

Peace, Love and Enlightenment,

Ed

#13440

From: "Jake" <jrex310@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 4:12 am
Subject: Re: Debunking tactics

jrex310

Hi Terrax,
People that argue these points are as shortsighted as the people that claim to
know that evolution can be graphed in predictable patterns.
Existing trails can only be followed,Not created..Man wouldn't it be great to
know How we were seeded..
Take what science has learned about the Evolution of the Raptor..Check it out
some time..Man this Critter Knew how to survive..( I Wonder if it ever Stopped
Evolving ? )
Where is the definitive Link between Man and Animal, or Man and Reptile or Man
and Star Visitor ? Barely Any of what we share here is an Absolute.
But DAM, Aint we Learning .
Information that has Taken People ( Individual ) Lifetimes of Hardship and
Ridicule to put together is Now at the fingertips of the Common Man and can be
summarized and understood in a matter of Months Weeks or even days depending on
our Individual ability to Read and comprehend what we are reading.Is it any
wonder why so much of it is sold ? A Persons Life Work.... What Value would you
put on Your Own ??
Look at how Individual Ideas by individual Men and Women have Changed the course
of history.Often Never happening during their Personal lives.
Many among us will never be able to comprehend The Breath and Width Of Creation
weather it happened by Hand or Accident..
The one thing we can be sure we do know, is that "We Don't Know " .  So Why
limit our personal educations and observations to 1 facet of the Diamond.When So
many other views are there for our Gazing.
To Be Collectively affective, we have to Be ( individually ) Fearless in
Discovery and Disclosure.Understanding In a sort of Transparent simplicity,To
what My Brother May not be able to comprehend.All of our lives we are taught to
keep our noses to the grind stone, Meaning ." Don't Look Around." Now what kind
of affect do you think that has on an individual,and how about those people who
do  ? Should their EFFORT Be Ridiculed.
Would this conversation even be possible with out the Works of Segan, Casey,
Einstein,Tesla , just to name a Few.
Right Now,At Your fingertips Lies the Gateway to Libraries Beyond Alexander's
Wildest Dreams... When is the last time in Human History Any can name, has there
been so much So Accessible to the Common Man..
Hopefully the Day is coming when we can Build on One another's efforts and
Forget Idle, Arrogant, and Singular disclosures of Shallow Tunnel Visioned
individuals..
Most times Personal discoveries Excite us to the point we want to share..
But Alas for Every Dream of Unity there is The Nightmare of Division,waiting to
wake the Dreamer and Spoil his paradise No Matter How Pure of Heart it is..

Personally,  " I Believe we were Seeded as Well as Evolved.."  The life work of
Sitchen Draws these conclusions For Me to Comprehend,and The Life work of Darwin
Blazes a Trail for Me to follow that Seems Never Ending... Simply because, I
cannot Comprehend the End of Evolution..

If I can Agree with all  of the statements Made Below..Can I Still Agree with
what I have written Above ?

I guess now we know how Shakespeare felt..

" To Be or Not To Be, That is the Question "

Jake

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: terrarubicon
   To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:00 PM
   Subject: [prepare4contact] Debunking tactics


   Debunking Extraterrestrial Intelligence

   <> Argue that all reports of humanoid extraterrestrials
   must be bogus because the evolution of the humanoid
   form on Earth is the result of an infinite number of
   accidents in a genetically isolated environment. Avoid
   addressing the logical proposition that if interstellar
   visitations have occurred, Earth cannot be considered
   genetically isolated in the first place.

   <> Argue that extraterrestrials would or wouldn't, should
   or shouldn't, can or can't behave in certain ways because
   such behavior would or wouldn't be logical. Base your
   notions of logic on how terrestrials would or wouldn't
   behave. Since terrestrials behave in all kinds of ways you
   can theorize whatever kind of behavior suits your
   arguments.

   <> Stereotype contact claims according to simplistic
   scenarios already well established in the collective
   imagination. If a reported ET contact appears to have
   had no negative consequences, sarcastically accuse the
   claimant of believing devoutly that "benevolent ETs have
   come to magically save us from destroying ourselves!"
   If someone claims to have been traumatized by an alien
   contact, brush it aside as "a classic case of hysteria." If
   contactees stress the essential humanness and limitations
   of certain ETs they claim to have met, ask "why haven't
   these omnipotent beings offered to solve all our problems
   for us?"

   <> When reluctant encounter witnesses step forward,
   accuse them indiscriminately of "seeking the limelight"
   with their outlandish stories.

   <> Where hypnotic regression has yielded consistent
   contactee testimony in widespread and completely
   independent cases, argue that hypnosis is probably
   unreliable, and is always worthless in the hands of
   non-credentialed practitioners. Be sure to add that the
   subjects must have been steeped in the ET-contact
   literature, and that, whatever their credentials, the
   hypnotists involved must have been asking leading
   questions.

   <> If someone claims to have been emotionally
   impacted by a contact experience, point out that strong
   emotions can alter perceptions. Therefore, the claimant's
   recollections must be entirely untrustworthy.







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#13441

From: Dr Tony Minervino <drtony@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 5:25 am
Subject: Re: Fw: Paranormalnews.com Update -- 5/2/2005 -- Nature's Finest

drtony33

Jake,

"You must be as a child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

Realistically, only a child could appreciate Heaven.

Any adult would be bored stiff because there's just nothing to get done.

Adults are human doings.

Children are the human beings.

  From one kid to another,

Tony


On Tuesday, May 3, 2005, at 02:41 AM, Jake wrote:

> Hi Group,
> This Guy has a Point of View..
> I wonder how many of us feel this way ??
>
> Jake
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mailinglist@...
> To: jrex310@...
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:33 AM
> Subject: Paranormalnews.com Update -- 5/2/2005 -- Nature's Finest
>
>
> Paranormalnews.com Update - 5/2/2005
>
>
> Nature's Finest
> By: Jeff Behnke (jeff@...)
>
> As a young boy, I used to believe that I was unique and destined to
> take
> over the world. I thought I could make all the right decisions, end
> wars
> and poverty, help the sick, feed the hungry. Then, all of the sudden,
> from
> nowhere, I ran into certain brick walls. I used to see homeless men on
> the
> street and wonder why no one would give them any money. Later in life,
> I
> realized that the reason some did not give them any money wasn't
> because
> people with money were greedy and wanted to keep their dimes and
> nickels
> to themselves--instead, it was because giving a homeless man money
> created
> a dependency which made them homeless, longer. Instead of going out and
> working for money, they would just sit on the corner and beg. So, in a
> round about way NOT giving money to a homeless man helped him more so
> than
> giving him money, and because I had a pension for believing in ironies
> rather than straightforward logic, I bought into the idea and do not
> generally give away money to anyone, including charities. How
> convenient.
>
> On top of that, when it comes to feeding the poor and getting rid of
> the
> great divide that separates the rich from the poor, I ran into the
> argument that feeding the poor keeps them alive longer which negatively
> affects the gene pool. And considering that nature has the survival of
> the
> fittest rule, it no longer made sense to me to drag down the entire
> future
> of mankind's evolution by feeding those that are not industrious
> enough to
> feed themselves. Why should they survive and continue to have children
> who, once grown up, will also be unable to feed themselves? It is not
> NATURAL to keep everyone on an even level--nature doesn't work that
> way,
> so why pretend it does? We are products of our natural environment just
> like the rest of the animals in the world, and if you cannot survive in
> the wilderness, you were not meant to survive. Governments that have
> attempted to keep everyone equal usually end up with communism. And, as
> has been proven over the past 150 years or so, communism doesn't work.
> It
> SHOULD work, if people were not "corrupt," but they are corrupt. And by
> corrupt, I mean they want to provide a more fitter meal for their
> family
> than the next guy. As a result, communism fails because it is not
> natural.
>
> In addition to these beliefs that have worked their way into my
> system, on
> the job, I have been wrong more often than I am right. I get
> impatient. I
> make rash decisions. I don't double check and verify what I am doing.
> In
> my desire to accomplish something, anything, I have left perfection in
> the
> garage and have instead taken out my four-banger with rusty doors and a
> falling apart muffler. It doesn't cause heads to turn--it just gets me
> around. In addition, while driving this heap of scrap metal, I have
> picked
> up numerous ideas from the conspiracy and ufo community and have thrown
> them in the back seat, ideas that are both profoundly disturbing
> and--probably--at least partially right. All the while, my colleagues
> have
> looked at the hobby both as a fascination and an obsession of mine that
> clouds my view. I'm either on to something, or not. No one knows. Yet
> again, not a day goes by that I don't doubt it is all bullshit. I want
> it
> to be true, but I along with everyone else on this green earth just
> don't
> know. And considering that experience has taught me that I am wrong
> more
> often than I am right, I just don't press as hard anymore or force
> those
> beliefs down other people's throats. I present them, and leave it at
> that.
> I cannot take over the world with them.
>
> So now, it seems as if my quest for dominating the world has run into a
> few showstoppers, three of which I can easily summarize: 1.) Feeding
> the
> poor doesn't always help them or the human race; 2.) The division
> between
> the rich and the poor is natural, whereas removing the division is not
> natural and weakens the human race; 3.) I'm wrong more often than I am
> right.
>
> If I said to hell with this logic and decided I just wanted to get into
> heaven because the ramifications of my thought process concerning the
> future of earth is frightening, I would feed the poor anyway, since
> that
> is what God wants us to do. But then again, why would God want to keep
> the
> weak threads in the gene pool? Doesn't he want us to grow like
> flowers? If
> he does, shouldn't he allow the weeds to die that are choking the roots
> and sucking off part of the water supply? Does God WANT the homeless to
> wander the street? Does God want us to be dependent on him? Don't
> fathers
> attempt to raise their children so they can fend for themselves? Why
> doesn't God? These profoundly disturb me just as much as the thoughts
> of
> ignoring the poor, letting them die, and ruthlessly taking over the
> planet. Should we be more like children, or more like adults?
>
> What if children, so moral and perfect and faultless and caring of
> others,
> are like stem cells, and the reason why they seem so desiring to help
> other people is because they can become anything, and if they can
> become
> anything, they have to ensure they mesh up with whomever or whatever
> they
> become? They are moral to ensure that someone takes them in--they have
> to
> be liked. They share their chips. They smile all the time. They ask
> why no
> one feeds the homeless man on the street. They ask why there are poor
> people in the world. And the older you get, the more difficult these
> heart-wrenching questions are to answer. There are poor people on the
> street because we choose not to give them money. There are hungry
> people
> in the world because we choose not to feed them.
>
> I am no longer a child. I have already been taken in, so to speak, by
> the
> grand technological organ of society, and am no longer a stem cell. I
> have
> been accepted here. I program for others. As a result, two things have
> occurred--I look at everything through a certain perspective, and at
> the
> same time, I have lost my innocence. I was told throughout my childhood
> that I had a heart of gold. But now as I look back, I realize that this
> heart of gold was created out of a fear of being neglected, ignored,
> lost,
> left behind--not out of some intellectual capacity that I somehow had
> amassed in the womb. Now that I have a goal when I wake up in the
> morning
> and know what people want me to do, I don't approach things as much
> from a
> moral perspective--I take a more practical view.
>
> At the same time, my favorite movie now is A Christmas Carol--it has
> become my lesson at Christmas, my gift to myself. In Scrooge, I see
> myself. In Scrooge, I try to discover what he discovered through the
> ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future. I WANT to learn the
> lessons
> he had learned that night and discover WHY I should feed the homeless,
> why
> I should buy large chickens for others who cannot afford them and give
> free medical care to the poor, why I should stop hoarding my wealth and
> learning investment strategies, and start giving it all away. But the
> ghosts do not present affective arguments for me. I wish they did, and
> every time I watch it, I try discovering what I have previously missed.
> Maybe this time, I say to� myself, maybe this time it will all become
> clear. Maybe this time, I will learn what I have failed to learn. I
> may be
> homeless one day. I may be poor. I may need the assistance of another.
> But
> alas, all of this is to no avail. The Scrooge in me has wrapped itself
> around my spine because I cannot tell if it is helping me grow or
> making
> me die.
>
> As a young boy, I used to believe I was unique and destined to take
> over
> the world. As a man, I looked around and realized it was already filled
> with enough people just like me who had done just that. And because I'm
> not as ruthless as them, because my genes aren't as powerful as theirs,
> because I am weak, because I am practical, because I am often wrong,
> I'm
> going to let them continue doing what they have always done, in hopes
> that
> in the process, they will take me in like an organ to a stem cell, and
> as
> nature so lovingly embraces its young, I will not be neglected. I will
> not
> be left behind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#13442

From: "kadowning123" <kadowning@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 11:58 pm
Subject: My New Friend of the Tau Ceti

kadowning123

I wasn't going to tell anyone about this experience. I don't really
know why. But I thought to myself when I first started writing on the
message board that if I share my experiences it might help others who
may have simular or the same experiences. I have a new friend now of
the Tau Ceti. I was reading the book "Defending Sacred Ground" and it
mentions the tortured Tau Cetian. I already have a heart for him so
reading more about it starts it all up again. That night after
reading about him I starting thinking about him. And in my mind I am
cheek to cheek with him and telling him that it is because of him and
what he went through that helped me to open my heart. I am thanking
him for caring about us as a people and sending love to him. I was a
little surprised to feel a return. And if you are a shaman you will
know what I am talking about when I say I could feel him return the
love inside my body. His presence was right inside and on top of me.
He is very very sweet and loving. There is passion but it is not
sexual. I will call it an embrace. It was my heart and mind that
called him. That is how it works. Saturday night I decided to tell
Laura. We were out to eat and she was sitting beside me. I was
thinking about my new friend and of course he was there when I
thought of him. I ask Laura if she could feel my new friend. She
said "He feels like you". I told her to try again. She said "He feels
calm like you". "His energy is calming".  The next day I went to
Laura's house in the morning. A bunch of us were getting together to
climb a mountain that day. I walk in and starting telling Francie
about my new friend. She said she could feel him right away. He felt
very sweet to her. Then Donna came in and I told her and she could
feel him in her heart. "He is very very sweet and loving". And I can
feel that he is becoming very excited and very happy over the
exchange he is having with me and my friends. He even made a joke
about being an ambassador for his people.
Well that's it for now.
-I don't call him on purpose I just follow my heart.
Love
Karen

#13443

From: "Ed" <tbolt_65@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 6:29 am
Subject: Re: My New Friend of the Tau Ceti

tbolt_65

What a most wonderful and heartwarming story Karen.  Thank  you very
much for sharing this with all of us and I wish continue
enlightenment, and sucess with your communication and experiences with
your new found friend.


Peace, Love and Enlightenment,

Ed

--- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, "kadowning123"
<kadowning@h...> wrote:
> I wasn't going to tell anyone about this experience. I don't really
> know why. But I thought to myself when I first started writing on the
> message board that if I share my experiences it might help others who
> may have simular or the same experiences. I have a new friend now of
> the Tau Ceti. I was reading the book "Defending Sacred Ground" and it
> mentions the tortured Tau Cetian. I already have a heart for him so
> reading more about it starts it all up again. That night after
> reading about him I starting thinking about him. And in my mind I am
> cheek to cheek with him and telling him that it is because of him and
> what he went through that helped me to open my heart. I am thanking
> him for caring about us as a people and sending love to him. I was a
> little surprised to feel a return. And if you are a shaman you will
> know what I am talking about when I say I could feel him return the
> love inside my body. His presence was right inside and on top of me.
> He is very very sweet and loving. There is passion but it is not
> sexual. I will call it an embrace. It was my heart and mind that
> called him. That is how it works. Saturday night I decided to tell
> Laura. We were out to eat and she was sitting beside me. I was
> thinking about my new friend and of course he was there when I
> thought of him. I ask Laura if she could feel my new friend. She
> said "He feels like you". I told her to try again. She said "He feels
> calm like you". "His energy is calming".  The next day I went to
> Laura's house in the morning. A bunch of us were getting together to
> climb a mountain that day. I walk in and starting telling Francie
> about my new friend. She said she could feel him right away. He felt
> very sweet to her. Then Donna came in and I told her and she could
> feel him in her heart. "He is very very sweet and loving". And I can
> feel that he is becoming very excited and very happy over the
> exchange he is having with me and my friends. He even made a joke
> about being an ambassador for his people.
> Well that's it for now.
> -I don't call him on purpose I just follow my heart.
> Love
> Karen

#13444

From: IrenCzajka@...
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 4:06 am
Subject: the exopolitics courses

iren_cz

wiishing you dear dr.Salla  much success in  your courses of exopolitics
and i believe it the time  will come soon it will  be teached on uSA
universities and all around the world and then
y o u  w ill be the leading one on those  faculties.
blessings for your endavours
iren




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#13445

From: Hierophant <the_hierophantom@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 8:33 am
Subject: alienshift fact or fake??? Consider this

the_hieropha...

Hi group,

since I have a feeling this group is real and not fake, here is a warning. Or
what ever you call it. I do not want to persuade anybody. Just an experience I
have with the yahoogroup alienshift. You can do with the information what you
want. I have found out that group is a big no-no. Well, to me anyway.Maybe some
of you DO have good experiences with it. With all the respect. Stay with the
group.



I was getting emails from the alienshift group about every new member MUST
introduce themselves with location (not only country but also city), profession,
name and like. I did not want to give my city yet because I don't know the
people and intuition and common sense told me to wait a while. I wrote the
moderator a letter, DAVID FAKEMAN, that I was very reluctant to give my
cityname, holland is not THAT big, you see. If crazy people want to find me,
they can.

The group got this mail:

Hello Group:


This group is not about numbers or how many we are all we need is only
one or 2 to make it to the federation and speak on our behalf to star
nations.

So I am going to delete any emails from the llist if they do not
introduce themseleves no more of funny stuff, enough is enough we don't
need kids or Jokers in here so all who recieve this email please reply
to this email with your Name, city, age, profession which we verify
with Yahoo or be booted out very simple we do not need chickens or
agents here only Cosmic Tigers called The "Alienshifters".

Leader
David FARMAN




This is what I wrote back:



Okay you can delete me from your list.

You have proven yourself to be a fake alienshifter. If you truly are an
alienshifter you should have respect for those who are not (yet) giving their
locations.
Maybe some people are reluctant to give such information, with good reasons. I
personally do not know you and will not (yet) give my location. If you are
trying to blackmail me emotionally by saying you will delete me or call me
chicken or child, than you do not show respect and sympathy. To be an
alienshifter is the love in your heart and spread it to the world. That will
make earth shift.
Blackmailing, threathen and calling names is not the way it is to be done.

I am certainly NOT sensitive for this kind of emotionally vampiristic bullshit.
Calling yourself a COSMIC TIGER suggest an egoflattering,
yourself-from-others-distantiating personality of this group. I certainly do not
want to poison myself with ego-filth. You sound like satan calling himself
jesus.
What better will you get if you know each person's locations and professions???

My intuition says no to this group. My brains tell me why.

Sincerely, Tamara



I just want to warn everybody if your intuition says no, than don't. Dont let
anybody MAKE you do something you won't. But then again, if you have good
experiences with that group then that is okay also. It was just an experience.


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#13446

From: "Cassie" <PSYCHE@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 11:45 am
Subject: Re: alienshift fact or fake??? Consider this

anangelunawares

Tamara,

Many times the list owners of groups such as these will become overly cautious
due to harrassment and go overboard with the people there who are minding their
own business. I would say you made a good choice speaking out and I am certain 
there are others there who feel as you do.
You could always make it up...but it is a shame to be put in a position to have
to not be truthful.
Sounds like the list owner is a bit paranoid...or a control freak or both.  If
he doesn't back off this position, I would leave.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Hierophant
   To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:33 AM
   Subject: [prepare4contact] alienshift fact or fake??? Consider this



   Hi group,

   since I have a feeling this group is real and not fake, here is a warning. Or
what ever you call it. I do not want to persuade anybody. Just an experience I
have with the yahoogroup alienshift. You can do with the information what you
want. I have found out that group is a big no-no. Well, to me anyway.Maybe some
of you DO have good experiences with it. With all the respect. Stay with the
group.



   I was getting emails from the alienshift group about every new member MUST
introduce themselves with location (not only country but also city), profession,
name and like. I did not want to give my city yet because I don't know the
people and intuition and common sense told me to wait a while. I wrote the
moderator a letter, DAVID FAKEMAN, that I was very reluctant to give my
cityname, holland is not THAT big, you see. If crazy people want to find me,
they can.

   The group got this mail:

   Hello Group:


   This group is not about numbers or how many we are all we need is only
   one or 2 to make it to the federation and speak on our behalf to star
   nations.

   So I am going to delete any emails from the llist if they do not
   introduce themseleves no more of funny stuff, enough is enough we don't
   need kids or Jokers in here so all who recieve this email please reply
   to this email with your Name, city, age, profession which we verify
   with Yahoo or be booted out very simple we do not need chickens or
   agents here only Cosmic Tigers called The "Alienshifters".

   Leader
   David FARMAN




   This is what I wrote back:



   Okay you can delete me from your list.

   You have proven yourself to be a fake alienshifter. If you truly are an
alienshifter you should have respect for those who are not (yet) giving their
locations.
   Maybe some people are reluctant to give such information, with good reasons. I
personally do not know you and will not (yet) give my location. If you are
trying to blackmail me emotionally by saying you will delete me or call me
chicken or child, than you do not show respect and sympathy. To be an
alienshifter is the love in your heart and spread it to the world. That will
make earth shift.
   Blackmailing, threathen and calling names is not the way it is to be done.

   I am certainly NOT sensitive for this kind of emotionally vampiristic
bullshit.
   Calling yourself a COSMIC TIGER suggest an egoflattering,
yourself-from-others-distantiating personality of this group. I certainly do not
want to poison myself with ego-filth. You sound like satan calling himself
jesus.
   What better will you get if you know each person's locations and
professions???

   My intuition says no to this group. My brains tell me why.

   Sincerely, Tamara



   I just want to warn everybody if your intuition says no, than don't. Dont let
anybody MAKE you do something you won't. But then again, if you have good
experiences with that group then that is okay also. It was just an experience.


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#13447

From: "Jake" <jrex310@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 11:48 am
Subject: Re: alienshift fact or fake??? Consider this

jrex310

Hi Tamara,
This is My Response..
I kind of feel the same way. But like everywhere else, i have connected with one
of the Souls..
Some Cultures are Very Direct in their Approach.. I find this Trait to be quite
reassuring..
But thats My View.  YOU stick to what Makes you feel safe..

Jake

__________________________

To    David "Saeed" Farman.

Hello Saeed,
To Update My Jrex310 profile, I am now 46,Spend most of My time in Dover De,
Very Close to Greensboro Md.
My Long-term Relationship has Turned into Marriage.. and as for Occupation . I
Just had My 2nd Back surgery in 2 years to remove the Hardware put in a year
ago.to reinforce the Cages they built around the L5 and S1 Disc that suddenly
Collapsed when I slipped  into a Split   2 years ago.
If I knew Then, What I know now,No Knife would have touched My Back..
But Alas, Hindsight is 20/20 ..
I Am Walking and Getting Quite strong.As I have always been a Man of Significant
Physical Strength.. My Childhood Hero Was Hercules, Go Figure.
My work had been in the Construction and Redevelopment of Commercial Water
Wells.I Leaned Heavily to the Redevelopment of Slow performing Wells.
Hence the Name " Watermaker "
The Name 2 Wolves is a Name I adopted unto My self representing the Dual Nature
of Man.
2 Wolves,1 white,1 black.In other words I have a Good side and a Bad Side..I
Feed the White Wolf Much more now..( It wasn't always that way.)
Both Wolves are Well trained Now..

Know This Saeed... I Am exactly who I say I am, No More, No Less.
I'm Not much of a Follower , In Point ..." I'm Not Looking for a Leader."


Now If I May ??  " WHO ARE YOU ?? "
You have some gentile people quite upset over the tone you take..
And, WHO  ?  are the agents you speak of ?
Your Authoritarian Tone is quite abrasive..

I'm Here for the Fellowship.

In Truth

Jacob Lee Rexroat Jr.

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#13448

From: "Jake" <jrex310@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: alienshift fact or fake??? Consider this

jrex310

Hi Again Tamara,
One of My Uncles was shot down over Holland..He Is / Was an American.He Flew a
Thunderbolt.It was to be His 2nd to the last Mission before going Home.This was
in 1943..
His Middle Name was " Dolor " .My Cousin,spoke with the German Pilot Who shot
His Dad Down,and was surprised to find,  when He visited the site of the
wreckage in Holland,That Memorials were in place to Honor The Man and The
Occasion, even after 60 years.. A Villager Had made a Hatchet out of the Armor
plating of the wreckage and offered it to My Cousin as a Memento, in Honor of
his Father..and in appreciation of His Fathers Sacrafice in Liberating Holland.

I Just thought You would Like to Know..

Jake
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Hierophant
   To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 4:33 AM
   Subject: [prepare4contact] alienshift fact or fake??? Consider this



   Hi group,

   since I have a feeling this group is real and not fake, here is a warning. Or
what ever you call it. I do not want to persuade anybody. Just an experience I
have with the yahoogroup alienshift. You can do with the information what you
want. I have found out that group is a big no-no. Well, to me anyway.Maybe some
of you DO have good experiences with it. With all the respect. Stay with the
group.



   I was getting emails from the alienshift group about every new member MUST
introduce themselves with location (not only country but also city), profession,
name and like. I did not want to give my city yet because I don't know the
people and intuition and common sense told me to wait a while. I wrote the
moderator a letter, DAVID FAKEMAN, that I was very reluctant to give my
cityname, holland is not THAT big, you see. If crazy people want to find me,
they can.

   The group got this mail:

   Hello Group:


   This group is not about numbers or how many we are all we need is only
   one or 2 to make it to the federation and speak on our behalf to star
   nations.

   So I am going to delete any emails from the llist if they do not
   introduce themseleves no more of funny stuff, enough is enough we don't
   need kids or Jokers in here so all who recieve this email please reply
   to this email with your Name, city, age, profession which we verify
   with Yahoo or be booted out very simple we do not need chickens or
   agents here only Cosmic Tigers called The "Alienshifters".

   Leader
   David FARMAN




   This is what I wrote back:



   Okay you can delete me from your list.

   You have proven yourself to be a fake alienshifter. If you truly are an
alienshifter you should have respect for those who are not (yet) giving their
locations.
   Maybe some people are reluctant to give such information, with good reasons. I
personally do not know you and will not (yet) give my location. If you are
trying to blackmail me emotionally by saying you will delete me or call me
chicken or child, than you do not show respect and sympathy. To be an
alienshifter is the love in your heart and spread it to the world. That will
make earth shift.
   Blackmailing, threathen and calling names is not the way it is to be done.

   I am certainly NOT sensitive for this kind of emotionally vampiristic
bullshit.
   Calling yourself a COSMIC TIGER suggest an egoflattering,
yourself-from-others-distantiating personality of this group. I certainly do not
want to poison myself with ego-filth. You sound like satan calling himself
jesus.
   What better will you get if you know each person's locations and
professions???

   My intuition says no to this group. My brains tell me why.

   Sincerely, Tamara



   I just want to warn everybody if your intuition says no, than don't. Dont let
anybody MAKE you do something you won't. But then again, if you have good
experiences with that group then that is okay also. It was just an experience.


   __________________________________________________
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   Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
   http://mail.yahoo.com

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#13449

From: "snoopypc2003" <snoopypc2003@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 1:07 pm
Subject: reptilian agenda and human protection

snoopypc2003

Hi to the forum, im a uk researcher amd in my lifetime have many
strange events and experiances regards poltergeist and ufo phenonoma
my interest lies in reptilian enetity and physic protection regards
there intrusion into our lives and am asking members of there
findings
of such, i treat replies with great respect and privacy kind regards
Brian uk

#13450

From: "kadowning123" <kadowning@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: the exopolitics courses

kadowning123

Michael I also want to wish you much success with the classes. And I
also want to take this time and tell you how much I admire you. I do
admire brave men. But you are not only brave you are intelligent
also. Let's also add open minded and ahead of your time. I bet you
are an excellent teacher. You have shown much patience with me when I
was channeling what I have been in my Soul..and some of that was
quite outrageous!! I know it was because I have kept the e-mails I
have sent you. I show them to my friends when they come over my
house. I say "Look at the messages I sent Michael Salla!!" "I can't
believe I wrote that!!"
Much Love
Karen

--- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, IrenCzajka@a... wrote:
>
>
> wiishing you dear dr.Salla  much success in  your courses of
exopolitics
> and i believe it the time  will come soon it will  be teached on
uSA
> universities and all around the world and then
> y o u  w ill be the leading one on those  faculties.
> blessings for your endavours
> iren
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#13452

From: "edkomarek" <edkomarek@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 4:24 pm
Subject: Why The Old Guard Can't See

edkomarek

Why The Old Guard Can't See
By Ed Komarek
4/27/05
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My Blog:  http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/

Dr. Michael Salla has been having ongoing discussions with the old
guard UFOlogists over their faith based approach to the investigation
of UFO's.   (-:   http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-28.htm    It
is my opinion the methods and methodologies used by old guard
investigators are not so much flawed as they are specific to the
collection and analysis of superficial data only.  The old guard have
faith that their superficial collection and analysis will ultimately
one day solve the UFO/ET mystery.  They have become so attached and
emotionally invested in their outdated methods and models over time
that they no longer can think clearly and rationally.  This is not
only a problem in our field but in all disciplines as well.  As
people age their emotions and thinking become fixed into static
habitual patterns that are not able to adapt to incorporate new
evidence as it become available.  The new valuable evidence is either
ignored completely as hogwash or heavily discounted

Let me give an example.  I was raised  in a family of early
Ecologists.  My father when he was a boy used to hang around and was
mentored by taxonomists and collectors at the Chicago Field Museum in
Chicago, Illinois.  During the depression he had to quit college and
was lucky to find a job working for the Field Museum collecting small
mammals in the Smokey Mountains.  Later he came south and was
mentored by Herb Stoddard who was a close friend of Aldo Leopold
sometimes called the father of Ecology.  Because my father was young
he quickly grasped the principles of Ecology from Herb and  other
scientific friends.  Herb himself was a collector and naturalist
turned ecologist and lived on the plantation next to my family and
was like a grandfather to me.

My father told me years later that try as he may, he could not
convince his taxonomist mentors that Ecology was a new science.  The
taxonomists would say, "Show us a relationship it does not exist.  If
we can't touch it with our fingers, see it with our eyes or hear it
with our ears it does not exist."  The old guard taxonomists and
collectors were important in their day because before Ecology could
develop plant and animal species had to be collected and given
names.  Then the early ecologists could study the dynamics of how
these species interact within each other to create habitats and
ecosystems.  Were the taxonomists methods and models wrong?   No,
they were not wrong but limited in scope and were not applicable to
the larger field of Ecology.  Because their thinking and emotions had
become fixed they could not adapt their methods and models to a ever-
changing perception of reality.  They failed to understand that there
were other tools in the tool chest that could be used to solve
ecological problems. As far as I know it was only the collectors that
became Ecologists.

The emerging field of Exopolitics is similar to the field of Ecology
in that both emerged out of older more established fields.  It is
also similar in that it is the young who can better grasp the basics
of the new emerging fields when mentored by a few older "mavericks",
as my father used to call them.  These heretics, which means free
thinker in Greek, broke free of the fixed herd mentality of the old
established paradigm   Lucky for us today the heretics are not burned
at stake but they still are ridiculed and disparaged by the old guard
and their work suppressed.

Mainstream UFOlogists fail to understand that the methodologies of
collection and analysis that they are using are analogous to that of
taking a photograph.  The photograph wether it is of a human being or
that of a ocean surface mostly only records surface features.  We
can't understand a human being using just a camera that records only
the surface of the person.  We need a MRI or CAT SCAN to image the
interior of the person and a psychologist to attempt to understanding
the thinking and emotions of a person.   In the ocean we use sonar to
collect data in the interior of the ocean.

What I am getting at is that what most UFOlogists are doing is simply
collecting surface features in a very broad sense all over the
world.  It is evident that there is a massive amount of UFO activity
going on everywhere as anyone who has been investigating actively
around their own neighborhood can tell you.  Only a very small
fraction of sightings or encounters get reported to a UFO reporting
service.  I have pointed out that in my own neighborhood when I had a
active intelligence net operating I was getting a couple of reports a
week within a fifty mile radius of my home.  Its obvious something
very big is going on right under the noses of all of us.  That is
about as far as most old guard UFOlogists are going to get. Dr. Salla
is right, the old guards have a faith based approach to the UFO/ET
problem and no amount of faith is going to solve the problem.  What
is needed now are new models and approaches to the analysis and
collection of data because the old ones have failed to keep pace with
the times.

Here is a interesting story.  This was told to be by Jack  a marine
biologist and a good friend of mine.  A biologist friend of his was
doing research on octopuses.  He had one in a tank and like any good
scientist was meticulously going about doing experiments using little
stakes in the tank to test the intelligence of the octopus.  He
became increasing frustrated when the octopus began to pull up and
move his stakes around about the tank.  The octopus was ruining his
experiment.  One time while he was becoming increasingly upset and
frustrated with the behavior of the octopus he suddenly realized what
was happening.  To his amazement,  the little critter was moving the
stakes around to see what he would do!  The octopus was testing his
intelligence!  His old methodologies had suddenly become obsolete
with his changing perception of his relationship to the octopus.

Addendum:
After having written the above I headed down to the coast to visit
with my friend Jack.  I hijacked his computer while he was busy
around the marine lab.  I found a email from an establishment UFO
investigator in my email box.  We proceed to get into a
discussion, "grin" that further clarified my thoughts on the above
matter. I would like to give him credit for his contribution to this
paper but we both agreed to keep our personal correspondence
confidential.

Later I had a long walk with Jack through the Saint Marks Wildlife
Refuge in a area not far from where  UFO's been chasing around the
flounder fishermen late at night.  Jack and I discussed  the
animosity  between academics and or  taxonomists in particular and
the collectors that feed the taxonomists. It seems that the animosity
originates from misunderstandings in the use of very different
methodologies in their respective areas of expertise and the value
assigned to the data being collected.  I would suspect this to be a
far reaching problem and effect other disciplines as well. This
would  include animosities in the intelligence community between the
agent in the field and the analyst behind his computer at CIA
headquarters.  Sometimes the only way for the boss to make sense of
the data is to get out in the field to see for himself what is going
on. "Grin"

The taxonomists in the days of my father,  used to work in the musty
smelly basement of the Field Museum sorting and identifying preserved
dead plants and animals and rarely got out in the field.  Today I
assume taxonomists  work in offices behind their computer screens as
do the academics and intelligence analysts.   Today just as yesterday
these in house people tend on average to maintain a air of snobbery
and quiet disdain for the collector or agent on the ground who is out
mucking around getting his or her hands dirty and in direct contact
with the data.  This direct contact with the data it is believed by
the analyst or taxonomist to somehow taint the collector or agents
objectivity.  On the other hand the collector or agent believes that
analyst or taxonomist is living in a ivory tower out of touch with
the real world and is incapable of properly filtering the data that
comes to his or her desk.  This is a very dysfunctional situation.
In the intelligence world this can lead to disaster and in the field
of exopolitics it  has stymied progress amongst mainstream
investigators.

In the field of Exopolitics the mainstream investigator and data
collector sitting behind his or her computer excludes in my opinion
the most significant data from his or her data base that will lead to
the resolution of the UFO enigma.  These errors in judgment keep the
old guard investigator stopped in their tracks and unable to proceed
further, while the new guard moves ahead.  While the old guard hold
to their faith that their failing methodologies will eventually solve
the UFO enigma the new guard penetrates the problem with new and
various multiple methodologies adapted to the task and hand.

The old guard works to get better and better superficial pictures of
the exterior of the enigma.  They become increasing frustrated and
disparage the new guard's more error prone flying by their seat of
their pants methodologies. I don't see any problem with making errors
except that people admit to errors and try to correct them.  (See
allegations make by Dr. Edgar Mitchell on Dr. Steven Greer's
overreaching and apparent failure to make amends.   Maybe the
disagreement centers around just who is disclosure witness but Dr.
Mitchell's feelings should be considered.  I hope this dispute has
been settled.  http://www.rense.com/general10/mitch.htm   )
Meanwhile the new guard gets on board the spacecraft and begin to
negociate with the occupants.  The old guard will think the new guard
are nuts until the evidence becomes indisputable that some UFO are as
Stanton Friedman is fond of saying, "are somebody else's
spacecraft."  It seems obvious that once a investigator realizes that
some UFO"s are somebody else"s spacecraft the next step is to get
invited on board for tea, as Jack says, providing the occupants are
cordial and friendly and respect basic human rights.

I suspect all new fields that emerge out of older established fields
or disciplines run into these very same problems that originate in
the mind and the emotions of the participants.  The experienced old
guard become fixed and inflexible in their beliefs holding on to
outdated methodologies that have  worked in the past.  The young with
more open minds draw on the experience of the older generation but
with more open minds move the field forward even though they are at
times reckless.

As we ended our walk through the forest, Jack commented to me that
all methodologies and disciplines are faith based.  The problem seems
to be that most people as they age become heavily  invested, mentally
and emotionally,  in their beliefs and are  unable to detach from
methodologies that are not keeping up with our ever changing
perceptions of reality.

#13453

From: "edkomarek" <edkomarek@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 4:31 pm
Subject: Date With The Gods (Book review)

edkomarek

Date With The Gods
By Ed Komarek
2/3/05
Copy and Distribute Freely
My blog:  http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/

My main interest and intent in the field of Exopolitics is not to
prove that ET spacecraft exist, and that various ET races with
different ethical levels are very active on, in and around earth.  I
am already convinced of this fact.  What I am interested in is to
gain from the wisdom that the ethical ET's have to offer and share it
with my fellow human beings.  Therefore my main interest is in cases
of contact where individual civil liberties are fostered and
respected.  I am not interested in cases of contact nor do I wish to
involve myself with unethical ET races that violate basic human
rights and liberties.

It is my intent to first communicate indirectly with ethical ET races
and civilizations through those who already have achieved contact and
hopefully from there enter into face to face discussions and
negotiations with ethical ET races.  Of course I understand that
benevolent ET interactions with earth humans has been throughly
trashed, both by frauds that claim contact but don't have it, and by
those that believe all ET's to be dangerous and unethical.  Its been
my job to sort through the garbage for those golden nuggets and
diamonds that have been trashed  and tossed aside by the UFO/ET
community along with the waste.  I intend to concentrate my time on
benevolent contact cases where there are actual sighting of craft in
the vicinity of the contact person by other individuals. I know of a
number of contact people, some who I am in contact with.

I am not yet in contact with Charles Silvia author of Date With The
Gods, but I intend to be soon, as well as my good friend and fellow
investigator Steve Moreno.  Date With The Gods is a obscure book
first published in 1977.  The ET contacts began in 1974 which is the
same date as two other large contact cases that Steve Moreno has been
investigating for years one in Peru and one in Canada.  Charles
Silvia was the man known as David, in Shirley Mclane's well know
book, Out On A Limb.  Shirley's credits David as her mentor for a
number of years and possibly her lover, as Charles seems to be quite
the international jet set playboy.  His sexual affairs seem to have
landed him in hot water a few years back when he was accused and
convicted in the US under molestation charges.

From what I have read on the internet it seems that some healing
therapy's applied to a couple of ladies went to far and crossed over
the line.  He was deported back to Peru with a girlfriend where it
says in the articles a number of years ago that he was trying to be
allowed back in the US.  Of course all this is enough for traditional
mainstream investigators to pitch this case into their circular file
because of the shallowness of their investigations.  Anybody with any
sense should realize that all people have their dark sides and a case
should not be thrown out simply based of human failings.  Anybody
investigated throughly enough is going to find skeletons in every
closet.  Important contact cases should  be throughly investigated
and the pluses and minuses totaled up at the end of the investigation
to determine the legitimacy of a contact case.

The edition I have been sitting on for years was published in 1986 so
I must have acquired it about that time.  When I first read it I
suspected that all the material on the ET's was fabricated and used
by the author to some how push his Christian Apocalyptical beliefs on
members of the public who believe in UFO's.  If I had know at the
time of his connection to the book, Out On A Limb that I had read
around this time, I would have taken a much closer look.  Instead the
book sat around my cabin with other books for years and occasionally
I would pull it out and read a little.  I  always seemed to find
something interesting but not enough to really get back in the book
again.  About a year ago with nothing better to do I found myself
rereading the book with a lifetime of involvement within the UFO/ET
community behind me.  I became even more intrigued and told my friend
and fellow contact investigator about it and read some passages which
caught his interest but never seemed to stick with him either.  But
over the past several months as he told me about his two major
contact cases he was working on I began to see parallels.  The
extraterrestrial lady in Date With The Gods was called Rama and the
group down in Peru that Steve has been working with for years is
called the Rama group.  Charles first met with his ET friend and
lover in 1974 the same date apparently that the Rama group began.
The large contact case in Canada also began in 1974.  When I started
communicating this with Steve it began to blow his mind and he
finally found a used book on the Internet and is now reading it.
Could it be possible that a alliance of ET races that are human like
ourselves is interacting with all three groups?  Another interesting
correlation is that Rama refers to her group as the brothers and this
connects to other ET contact groups around the world that deal with
human going back into the 1950's.

The apocalypse was supposed to have taken place by 2001 but that has
not happened. Rama tells Charles that they are the apocalyptical
angles of the apocalypse here to maintain balance in the Universe.
The ET lady did say to Charles that the time was known only to God
but the ET's were pretty definite that it would be by the end of he
century.  What happened?  Things still seem to be heading in a very
destructive direction worldwide.  Were the ET's wrong, is Charles
lying, or has the date of the apocalypse slipped or is being modified
because of some unforseen circumstances even by the ET's
themselves?   I have a lot of questions to ask Charles if and when I
catch up with him.

The tack that the ET's are taking in the book is in support of
Christianity a religion that they say they had something to do with
from the beginning.  I also suspect they may have had something to do
with the foundation of other religions around the world like in India
and are also supporting those religions as well as cleaning up the
accumulated garbage that has confused the world religions over the
years.  When I did a word search on Rama I came up with the ancient
scriptures of India that go back at least six thousand years.  The
word for spacecraft in Indian Sanscrit is Vimana and this is what
Charles's ET's called their spacecraft.  Interesting correlations in
that Rama said their group had major underground bases at the poles
and a number of minor underground or underwater bases elsewhere, one
being under Lake Titicaca in Peru that Charles was flown to.  With
all that UFO activity in Northern India of late is that one of their
bases being upgraded?  Rama also says they have a base on Ganymede
and elsewhere in the solar system but apparently in another
dimensions as some of these places are habitable.

Here is a example of this upgrading and rehabilitation of
Christianity on page 231. Rama says, "Christianity in your world is
divided beyond hope.  I couldn't turn you on to religion because I
wouldn't know which church to send you to.  Knowing Jesus is having
the strength to look for wisdom and understanding, to live in perfect
harmony with yourself and your fellow human beings, which is life's
greatest joy."   " I say to you, follow Jesus's teachings, that
doesn't mean you have to embrace a religion.  You people on earth
have made religion a screwed up mess in this part of the universe."

Not only does Charles describe his relations with ET"s but also his
work for the CIA and under one of their top people Richard Welsh who
was assassinated in early 1976 when Charles was writing his book.
All through the book Charles is talking about real places, real
people and real events.  All this stuff can be correlated.  He gets
into why he was recruited by the CIA and how he was helping American
business interests in Peru and spying on some school friends of his
who attained high level posts in Peru's government.  He talks about
how the world is being run by one group of people who are immoral and
without scruples.  That these people's greed and avarice are bringing
the world to eventual destruction.  The more and more I reread this
book the more I am intrigued.

If a person wants a copy of this book there may not be many used
copies around as this book is out of print, so if you are interested
in this best act fast.  Steve only found eight used copies  on the
internet when he got his.

#13454

From: "edkomarek" <edkomarek@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 4:34 pm
Subject: Jim Moseley Interrogates John Alexander

edkomarek

Jim Moseley Interrogates John Alexander  (-:
By Ed Komarek
4/2/05
Copy and Distribute Freely
My Blog:  http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/

Supreme Commander Jim Moseley is UFO Gadfly Court Jester
extraordinary, is  a master of the shake the tree and see what falls
out methodology, both to gather information and for entertainment
purposes.  Most people don't realize that Jim has been active in the
field of Exopolitics since the 1950's.  He started as a investigator
of UFOs, but gave up that pursuit completely when he became totally
confused in order to become the UFO field's premier socialite.  He
publishes the rag Saucer Smear.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=ush1-mail&p=saucer+smear   Jim's
speciality is to delight  in  pricking the overinflated egos of both
researchers and debunkers alike.  If you don't have a healthy  sense
of humor you better not mess with Jim!

In the material below we find him hard at work attempting to elicit
information and entertain himself with none other than John
Alexander.  I think he will find the allegations of the theft against
John Alexander made by the late James Black an inventor, of interest
if he has not already seen them.
http://www.uforc.com/antigravity/blackops.html and
http://www.psiapplications.com/jamesblack1.html#top    He will
complain mightily about the length of the files and will admit to
only a cursory examination of the material I am sure..  The internet
files show James Black died a untimely death subsequent to filing a
lawsuit against Alexander.    Jim is  smart and very subtle.  Be sure
to read between the lines carefully in the following missive.  Thanks
to Mike Jamieson for passing this piece on to me.

http://www.martiansgohome.com/smear/v51/ss041201.htm#nids

#13455

From: "Jake" <jrex310@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 4:55 pm
Subject: What Do You Think ???

jrex310

http://fosieht.tripod.com/spirit/et_101_toc.html#toc

Hi Group,
This is a site that Iren Brought to my Attention..
Take a Look Inside..
Its Best when Read from Start to Finish..

Jake



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#13456

From: IrenCzajka@...
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: Why The Old Guard Can't See re

iren_cz

In einer eMail vom 2005-05-03 18:29:37 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit  schreibt
edkomarek@...:

methodologies and disciplines are faith based.  The problem  seems
to be that most people as they age become heavily   invested, mentally
and emotionally,  in their beliefs and  are  unable to detach from
methodologies that are not keeping  up with our ever changing
perceptions of  reality.



so what new method will you propose Ed? Do you know it?
I think it must happen something urgent .. if with  our
thought projection.. to disclosure everything the  governments know to
poeple... then..when we really
know.. can we look for  new methods to.. resolve  the problems..
just a thought.
iren




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#13457

From: Hierophant <the_hierophantom@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Chem. Trails: An Airlines Mechanics Story

the_hieropha...

Hey, that is funny. If "they" are watching this mechanic looking on
internetsites, than "they" must have noticed him sending this email???
So now he must be threatend again??

Greetz Tamara

Ed <tbolt_65@...> wrote:
http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails_2.htm

I received the following email on the 18th of April as it was
forwarded to me from someone who may have answered several questions I
have had about the incorporation of the civilian air fleet into a
portion of this atmospheric project.

My questions have been:  The weight and volume of the chemical mixture
delivered while in flight including the delivery mechanism? How much
of a financial burden is it to carry this extra weight aloft with each
flight?  How is the plumbing kept 'hidden' from the many mechanics.
Who does and how are the tanks refilled?   Read on: Did An Airline
Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?

SIPL | April 17 2005

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my
identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our
maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some
information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among
mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you
have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or
the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are
considered at the top of the "pecking order".

Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air
conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and
other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are
the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.

No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used
to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I
have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work
on the lavatory systems.

The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you
will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one
airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic
socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last
month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other
airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a
plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.

Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the
other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane
for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know
what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the
problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do
but to crawl in and fix the problem.

When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There
were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At
first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It
had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of
aircraft.

As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and
tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had
just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up.
It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type
of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.

As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to
"worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring
schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment
I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra
equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in
to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really
determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for
periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane
during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided
to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the
mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on
the plane.

Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to
trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to
be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics
control box but it had no markings of any kind.

I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves
but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only
wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's
main power bus.

The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell
in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could
hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain
valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for
the waste system.

When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I
found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to
access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a
network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings
and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a
set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the
trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge
wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that
builds up on a plane in flight.

I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1
out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been
"hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be
discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He
ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I
had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue
my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I
was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to
take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I
went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did
not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had
been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for
turning in false paperwork.

He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false
paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours
before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was
ridiculous and that I had done this work.

The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a
look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then
asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were
airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was
parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the
union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told
everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay
and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box.
He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with
the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was
suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell
had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice
told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in
things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that
are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling
generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.

Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it
was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened
to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious"
piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my
past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced
to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only
thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are
'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other
mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to
talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find
some answers.

I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that
talked about chemically-laced contrails.

That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found
a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat.
Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are
doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the
trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these
trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys
are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be
filling the tanks of the spray system.

They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control
unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a
certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so
small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

=============

Peace, Love and Enlightenment,

Ed





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#13458

From: Michael Vogt <oldnwilling@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: What Do You Think ???

oldnwilling

Thanks for this post.

I read this book many years ago. My favorite portion was The Messiah Complex.
This particular chapter assisted me in the process leaving organized religion
behind. I'm thankful for the lessons learned and the strength i've gained
loosening the shackles of spiritual oppression.

The humor contained within its' pages is also quite uplifting.

Iren, you're a gem.

Mike

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#13459

From: "kadowning123" <kadowning@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: Date With The Gods (Book review)

kadowning123

Ed, you really are on to something. The Brothers we talk to at our
Circle Meetings and the ones I have spoken to personally are only
interested in our spiritual development. And it is the same teachings
that Jesus taught. It is about "Do unto others" and connecting to the
voice within. Connecting to your own Holy Spirit voice within. "The
Father and I are one" They would like to see us awaken and make it
through the changes that are coming. And it matters to them because
we are all one.
Becareful with that man Charles. If you find he has lost his
integrity --- then he has lost his contact. (He may be in contact
with something else.) So use caution- instinct and your intuition.
Good Luck,
Love
Karen


--- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, "edkomarek" <edkomarek@y...>
wrote:
> Date With The Gods
> By Ed Komarek
> 2/3/05
> Copy and Distribute Freely
> My blog:  http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/
>
> My main interest and intent in the field of Exopolitics is not to
> prove that ET spacecraft exist, and that various ET races with
> different ethical levels are very active on, in and around earth.
I
> am already convinced of this fact.  What I am interested in is to
> gain from the wisdom that the ethical ET's have to offer and share
it
> with my fellow human beings.  Therefore my main interest is in
cases
> of contact where individual civil liberties are fostered and
> respected.  I am not interested in cases of contact nor do I wish
to
> involve myself with unethical ET races that violate basic human
> rights and liberties.
>
> It is my intent to first communicate indirectly with ethical ET
races
> and civilizations through those who already have achieved contact
and
> hopefully from there enter into face to face discussions and
> negotiations with ethical ET races.  Of course I understand that
> benevolent ET interactions with earth humans has been throughly
> trashed, both by frauds that claim contact but don't have it, and
by
> those that believe all ET's to be dangerous and unethical.  Its
been
> my job to sort through the garbage for those golden nuggets and
> diamonds that have been trashed  and tossed aside by the UFO/ET
> community along with the waste.  I intend to concentrate my time on
> benevolent contact cases where there are actual sighting of craft
in
> the vicinity of the contact person by other individuals. I know of
a
> number of contact people, some who I am in contact with.
>
> I am not yet in contact with Charles Silvia author of Date With The
> Gods, but I intend to be soon, as well as my good friend and fellow
> investigator Steve Moreno.  Date With The Gods is a obscure book
> first published in 1977.  The ET contacts began in 1974 which is
the
> same date as two other large contact cases that Steve Moreno has
been
> investigating for years one in Peru and one in Canada.  Charles
> Silvia was the man known as David, in Shirley Mclane's well know
> book, Out On A Limb.  Shirley's credits David as her mentor for a
> number of years and possibly her lover, as Charles seems to be
quite
> the international jet set playboy.  His sexual affairs seem to have
> landed him in hot water a few years back when he was accused and
> convicted in the US under molestation charges.
>
> From what I have read on the internet it seems that some healing
> therapy's applied to a couple of ladies went to far and crossed
over
> the line.  He was deported back to Peru with a girlfriend where it
> says in the articles a number of years ago that he was trying to be
> allowed back in the US.  Of course all this is enough for
traditional
> mainstream investigators to pitch this case into their circular
file
> because of the shallowness of their investigations.  Anybody with
any
> sense should realize that all people have their dark sides and a
case
> should not be thrown out simply based of human failings.  Anybody
> investigated throughly enough is going to find skeletons in every
> closet.  Important contact cases should  be throughly investigated
> and the pluses and minuses totaled up at the end of the
investigation
> to determine the legitimacy of a contact case.
>
> The edition I have been sitting on for years was published in 1986
so
> I must have acquired it about that time.  When I first read it I
> suspected that all the material on the ET's was fabricated and used
> by the author to some how push his Christian Apocalyptical beliefs
on
> members of the public who believe in UFO's.  If I had know at the
> time of his connection to the book, Out On A Limb that I had read
> around this time, I would have taken a much closer look.  Instead
the
> book sat around my cabin with other books for years and
occasionally
> I would pull it out and read a little.  I  always seemed to find
> something interesting but not enough to really get back in the book
> again.  About a year ago with nothing better to do I found myself
> rereading the book with a lifetime of involvement within the UFO/ET
> community behind me.  I became even more intrigued and told my
friend
> and fellow contact investigator about it and read some passages
which
> caught his interest but never seemed to stick with him either.
But
> over the past several months as he told me about his two major
> contact cases he was working on I began to see parallels.  The
> extraterrestrial lady in Date With The Gods was called Rama and the
> group down in Peru that Steve has been working with for years is
> called the Rama group.  Charles first met with his ET friend and
> lover in 1974 the same date apparently that the Rama group began.
> The large contact case in Canada also began in 1974.  When I
started
> communicating this with Steve it began to blow his mind and he
> finally found a used book on the Internet and is now reading it.
> Could it be possible that a alliance of ET races that are human
like
> ourselves is interacting with all three groups?  Another
interesting
> correlation is that Rama refers to her group as the brothers and
this
> connects to other ET contact groups around the world that deal with
> human going back into the 1950's.
>
> The apocalypse was supposed to have taken place by 2001 but that
has
> not happened. Rama tells Charles that they are the apocalyptical
> angles of the apocalypse here to maintain balance in the Universe.
> The ET lady did say to Charles that the time was known only to God
> but the ET's were pretty definite that it would be by the end of he
> century.  What happened?  Things still seem to be heading in a very
> destructive direction worldwide.  Were the ET's wrong, is Charles
> lying, or has the date of the apocalypse slipped or is being
modified
> because of some unforseen circumstances even by the ET's
> themselves?   I have a lot of questions to ask Charles if and when
I
> catch up with him.
>
> The tack that the ET's are taking in the book is in support of
> Christianity a religion that they say they had something to do with
> from the beginning.  I also suspect they may have had something to
do
> with the foundation of other religions around the world like in
India
> and are also supporting those religions as well as cleaning up the
> accumulated garbage that has confused the world religions over the
> years.  When I did a word search on Rama I came up with the ancient
> scriptures of India that go back at least six thousand years.  The
> word for spacecraft in Indian Sanscrit is Vimana and this is what
> Charles's ET's called their spacecraft.  Interesting correlations
in
> that Rama said their group had major underground bases at the poles
> and a number of minor underground or underwater bases elsewhere,
one
> being under Lake Titicaca in Peru that Charles was flown to.  With
> all that UFO activity in Northern India of late is that one of
their
> bases being upgraded?  Rama also says they have a base on Ganymede
> and elsewhere in the solar system but apparently in another
> dimensions as some of these places are habitable.
>
> Here is a example of this upgrading and rehabilitation of
> Christianity on page 231. Rama says, "Christianity in your world is
> divided beyond hope.  I couldn't turn you on to religion because I
> wouldn't know which church to send you to.  Knowing Jesus is having
> the strength to look for wisdom and understanding, to live in
perfect
> harmony with yourself and your fellow human beings, which is life's
> greatest joy."   " I say to you, follow Jesus's teachings, that
> doesn't mean you have to embrace a religion.  You people on earth
> have made religion a screwed up mess in this part of the universe."
>
> Not only does Charles describe his relations with ET"s but also his
> work for the CIA and under one of their top people Richard Welsh
who
> was assassinated in early 1976 when Charles was writing his book.
> All through the book Charles is talking about real places, real
> people and real events.  All this stuff can be correlated.  He gets
> into why he was recruited by the CIA and how he was helping
American
> business interests in Peru and spying on some school friends of his
> who attained high level posts in Peru's government.  He talks about
> how the world is being run by one group of people who are immoral
and
> without scruples.  That these people's greed and avarice are
bringing
> the world to eventual destruction.  The more and more I reread this
> book the more I am intrigued.
>
> If a person wants a copy of this book there may not be many used
> copies around as this book is out of print, so if you are
interested
> in this best act fast.  Steve only found eight used copies  on the
> internet when he got his.

#13460

From: "Geoff Richardson" <geoff@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 6:43 pm
Subject: The Majestic 12 and The Aviary

whyfiles2001

On December 1984, Jaime Shandera, a Hollywood film producer who also
has an interesting UFOs, received some unusual information via the
post - a package containing just one roll of monochrome film. The
package was posted in Albuquerque, New Mexico but had no return or
senders address . Shandera had the film developed and was surprised
to find negatives of what appeared to be an eight paged briefing
paper dated 18th November 1952.
The paper and the memorandum showed that in 1947 a flying disc-
shaped craft crashed near Roswell and extra-terrestrial biological
entities (EBEs) were recovered by the military - President Truman
was authorizing Forrestal to set up a committee to deal with the
situation. In 1952, newly elected President Eisenhower is then
briefed about the situation by the papers - including details of the
12 man committee, the saucer crash and the need to avoid public
panic.

See: http://www.thewhyfiles.net/majestic12.htm



"The Aviary" was a group of individuals who, rather than being just
a number of low grade intelligence agents, were working (or had
worked) at very high levels with very high security clearances; it
is almost certain that they became involved in the UFO phenomenon in
the early 1970s and included both active and retired military and
intelligence officers. It seemed that their primary objective was to
make known to the general public, details of the government's
involvement with extraterrestrials and technology gained from
crashed UFOs etc� However, it is probable that the members of the
Aviary had joined forces in order to gather information on the
Majestic-12. As members of the intelligence community, they had all
been involved with or had contacts in the UFO field and their aim
was to access secret files and gather information which would
provide them with a greater understanding of that "above top-secret,
shadow group" - the Majestic-12.

See: http://www.thewhyfiles.net/avairy.htm

Peace,
Geoff Richardson
http://www.thewhyfiles.net

#13461

From: "mikejamieson1950" <mikejamieson1950@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 6:56 pm
Subject: Getting on board

mikejamieson...

Ed Komarek comments:

The old guard will think the new guard
are nuts until the evidence becomes indisputable that some UFO are as
Stanton Friedman is fond of saying, "are somebody else's
spacecraft." It seems obvious that once a investigator realizes that
some UFO"s are somebody else"s spacecraft the next step is to get
invited on board for tea, as Jack says, providing the occupants are
cordial and friendly and respect basic human rights.

MJ: The above discussion taken from Ed's overall
post concerning exopolitics and the limitations of
many conventional investigators/investigations.

I just wanted to add that there is a tool available
for not only getting on board the vehicles of benign
aliens, but also safely onboard the craft of those who
have what appears to be a less benign agenda: Remote
Viewing Teams.  (Remote viewing efforts should involve
teams of people, for reality checking.)

I would be curious to know what Joe McNoeagle and others
from the old project stargate have observed.  (Not Ed
Dames; the old team don't think too highly of him, for
good reason.)

#13462

From: "Ed" <tbolt_65@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 7:08 pm
Subject: Scientists: Life on Mars Likely

tbolt_65

Scientists: Life on Mars Likely
By Rowan Hooper
http://www.wired.com/news/space/0,2697,67315,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_5


Not so long ago it was unthinkable for respectable scientists to talk
about life on Mars. Such talk was best left to X-Files fans. But no
longer.

Evidence is building to suggest biological processes might be
operating on the red planet, and life on Mars, many scientists
believe, is now more a likelihood than merely a possibility.
Tantalizing evidence is accumulating that suggests the red planet is
alive, but incontrovertible proof is still lacking. And while the
European Space Agency is keen to send a lander to find it, a history
of failed life-finding missions at NASA makes Americans more cautious.

"The life on Mars issue has recently undergone a paradigm shift," said
Ian Wright, an astrobiologist at the Planetary and Space Sciences
Research Institute at the Open University in Britain, "to the extent
now that one can talk about the possibility of present life on Mars
without risking scientific suicide."

Much of the excitement is due to the work of Vittorio Formisano, head
of research at Italy's Institute of Physics and Interplanetary Space.

In February, Formisano presented data at the Mars Express Science
Conference at Noordwijk in the Netherlands. If scientists had been
quietly excited before seeing Formisano's data, they were frenetic
afterward.

Formisano showed evidence of the presence of formaldehyde in the
atmosphere. Formaldehyde is a breakdown product of methane, which was
already known to be present in the Martian atmosphere, so in itself
its presence is not so surprising. But Formisano measured formaldehyde
at 130 parts per billion.

To astrobiologists it was an incredible claim. It means huge amounts
of methane must be produced on Mars. (While methane lasts for hundreds
of years in the atmosphere, formaldehyde lasts for only 7.5 hours.)
"It requires that 2.5 million tons of methane are produced a year,"
said Formisano.

"There are three possible scenarios to explain the quantities:
chemistry at the surface, caused by solar radiation; chemistry deep in
the planet, caused by geothermal or hydrothermal activity; or life,"
he added.

And, with no known geological source of formaldehyde on Mars, it's
clear where Formisano's suspicions lie.

"I believe there is extremely high probability that microbial
subsurface life exists on Mars," he said, while acknowledging that
although he believes in Martian life, he can't yet prove it.

"What will certainly be needed in the future is a drill on a lander
and direct evidence of the existence of Archaea bacteria," Formisano
said, adding that he intends to publish his data in a forthcoming
issue of planetary science journal Icarus.

The European Space Agency certainly wants to send a rover to Mars, and
was urged to do so at an international space workshop at Aston
University in Birmingham, England, earlier this month. To get a lander
on Mars will almost certainly require the involvement, at some level,
of NASA.

But NASA has its own surface mission planned. Scheduled to arrive in
late 2010, the Mars Science Laboratory rover will use an array of
instruments to look for evidence of life.

"Europe and the U.S. are in a friendly competition to find life
first," said Yuk Yung, professor of planetary science at the
California Institute of Technology, "which is healthy for science --
and funding."

The race to find proof of life started in earnest in 1996, after NASA
scientists published a paper claiming that the Martian meteorite
ALH84001 contained evidence of past biological activity. While that
claim remains controversial, it kick-started a change in mood about
the possibility of present life on Mars. Excitement grew in 2003 when
Michael Mumma, of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt,
Maryland, reported he had detected methane in the Martian atmosphere.

Then last year Vladimir Krasnopolsky, of the Catholic University of
America in Washington, D.C., made a similar claim about methane. Both
researchers had measured methane using ground-based telescopes.

But while the issue of life on Mars may have undergone a paradigm
shift, it is really only in Europe that scientists are openly excited.
In the United States, NASA is cagey.

According to Wright at the Open University, NASA is gun-shy about
sending up another life-finding Martian probe.

"NASA staff probably still remember Viking, which was a mission
designed specifically to look for life on Mars, but which found none
-- and which subsequently killed off Martian exploration for a couple
of decades," he said. "ESA people don't have such baggage.

#13463

From: "Jake" <jrex310@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: What Do You Think ???

jrex310

"  I read this book many years ago. "

Thanks Mike,
Its Good to see that it is not New.

Jake




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