http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/alienshift

Sgt. Clifford Stone talking about Alientology in US Millitary.

http://www.alienshift.com/

In einer eMail vom 01.03.2007 13:41:45 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
Iren Czajka:


In einer eMail vom 01.03.2007 12:01:37 Westeuropäische Normalzeit  schreibt
yellowflower@...:


I was on radar  control on a military base at Northolt for a while in the 1970
’s and we  sometimes scrambled a lighting to intercept a UFO, not uncommon,
it means  “unidentified” that is all. They never came back. One pilot died
screaming  and all the blips disappeared. We only did this three times but we
don’
t any  more. The search and rescue was initiated but I don’t think they found
  anything.
Three lightings  were lost over the North  Sea north of Shetlands  when
trying to open fire on a “UFO”.
Don’t take “alien  stories” likely the authorities don’t like people to
know that things are  not safe, thousands of people in London were vaporised
recently when  fireballs burst over London over a 15 minute period one every 2
seconds.
Nor do they want to  know that at the height of the cold was we only had one
serviceable lighting  and that the tupolov was far better than anything we
had. And that every day  at 9  am the bear would fly  over as a mock attack
loaded with atomic bombs and that we sometimes had no  petrol because the MOD
had
no money to pay so that one day a bear on three  engines was invited down to
tea. We gave this panic stricken pilot clearance  to land and a glide path as he
circled over Northolt looking for a place to  put down his bomber with an
engine on fire.
And one day they  passed the green line and failed to top and the red line
and an air battle  took place.
Nor do they want  people to know that airlines sometimes suffer catastrophic
failure and fall  out of the sky. Or that lumps office from outer space fall
on peoples heads  and kill them, or that we have death camps called  hospitals.
And that “life on  mars” is illegal and that people are put down over it.
People must think  they are immortal for civilisation to proceed.
All alien contact  stories are ridiculed to protect the “west” as “our
civilisation would fail  if aliens were found”.
It is illegal to  talk to aliens but not to be one.
The “west” is  “free” and “rich” but at a price. Without immortality
people become savages  and alien contact would result in widespread public
warfare
and people could  not work, for what is the point if all I get is death?
What has been  discovered is secret and is so terrible that I don’t want to
know either. It  means there is no heaven and that is the belief of the Gnostic
  Christian.
We all believe in  fairy tales that keep us alive. Some people can live with
the knowledge of  death, others cannot, the lot of the priest is not a happy
one.

Christopher  Strevens
-----Original  Message-----
From:  IrenCzajka@... [mailto:IrenCzajka@...]
Sent: 01 March 2007 09:58
To:  yellowflower@...
Subject: Re: [CHUCKLEBUCK] Visitors  From Other Worlds


In  einer eMail vom 01.03.2007 10:14:24 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
yellowflower@...:

I  suggest you come and measure the radio signals from somewhere
inside  my head. 109 GHz PQAM, GATED AGC. Between 1 Watt and 25 watt
depending  on the locality, so places of high shielding the signal is
higher.  This amplidude in controlled by  feedback loop involving
incoming  signal from my base station.

It is in bursts of about 1 - 5  minutes every 10-20 minutes depending
on the range of the base. It is  the round trip delay.

It should be observable outside my home or  from a helicopter nearby,
or even from earth sattelites.

The  communication system of this observer core covers the whole
planet and  consists of 5 sattelites (radar visible) 2 in polar and 3
in  equitorial orbit.

My head has a hot spot that is warm to touch and  is the heat sink.

It not nice to think I'm an andriod with a human  body life support.

They made me into one of them. I did agree, I  was foolish but they
promised me a very long life in space - have I  been conned?

I am still me.  Confused?


please send the  mail to p4c .. I am not able to help you..

blessings  iren






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I was on radar  control on a military base at Northolt for a while in the 1970
’s and we  sometimes scrambled a lighting to intercept a UFO, not uncommon,
it means  “unidentified” that is all. They never came back. One pilot died
screaming and  all the blips disappeared. We only did this three times but we
don’
t any more.  The search and rescue was initiated but I don’t think they found
  anything.
Three lightings were  lost over the North  Sea north of Shetlands  when
trying to open fire on a “UFO”.
Don’t take “alien  stories” likely the authorities don’t like people to
know that things are not  safe, thousands of people in London were vaporised
recently when fireballs  burst over London over a 15 minute period one every 2
seconds.
Nor do they want to  know that at the height of the cold was we only had one
serviceable lighting  and that the tupolov was far better than anything we
had. And that every day  at 9  am the bear would fly  over as a mock attack
loaded with atomic bombs and that we sometimes had no  petrol because the MOD
had
no money to pay so that one day a bear on three  engines was invited down to
tea. We gave this panic stricken pilot clearance  to land and a glide path as he
circled over Northolt looking for a place to  put down his bomber with an
engine on fire.
And one day they  passed the green line and failed to top and the red line
and an air battle  took place.
Nor do they want  people to know that airlines sometimes suffer catastrophic
failure and fall  out of the sky. Or that lumps office from outer space fall
on peoples heads  and kill them, or that we have death camps called hospitals.
And that “life on  mars” is illegal and that people are put down over it.
People must think they  are immortal for civilisation to proceed.
All alien contact  stories are ridiculed to protect the “west” as “our
civilisation would fail if  aliens were found”.
It is illegal to talk  to aliens but not to be one.
The “west” is “free”  and “rich” but at a price. Without immortality
people become savages and alien  contact would result in widespread public
warfare
and people could not work,  for what is the point if all I get is death?
What has been  discovered is secret and is so terrible that I don’t want to
know either. It  means there is no heaven and that is the belief of the Gnostic
  Christian.
We all believe in  fairy tales that keep us alive. Some people can live with
the knowledge of  death, others cannot, the lot of the priest is not a happy
one.

Christopher  Strevens
-----Original  Message-----
From:  IrenCzajka@... [mailto:IrenCzajka@...]
Sent: 01 March 2007 09:58
To:  yellowflower@...
Subject: Re: [CHUCKLEBUCK] Visitors From  Other Worlds


In  einer eMail vom 01.03.2007 10:14:24 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
yellowflower@...:

I  suggest you come and measure the radio signals from somewhere
inside my  head. 109 GHz PQAM, GATED AGC. Between 1 Watt and 25 watt
depending on  the locality, so places of high shielding the signal is
higher. This  amplidude in controlled by  feedback loop involving
incoming signal  from my base station.

It is in bursts of about 1 - 5 minutes every  10-20 minutes depending
on the range of the base. It is the round trip  delay.

It should be observable outside my home or from a helicopter  nearby,
or even from earth sattelites.

The communication system  of this observer core covers the whole
planet and consists of 5  sattelites (radar visible) 2 in polar and 3
in equitorial  orbit.

My head has a hot spot that is warm to touch and is the heat  sink.

It not nice to think I'm an andriod with a human body life  support.

They made me into one of them. I did agree, I was foolish  but they
promised me a very long life in space - have I been  conned?

I am still me. Confused?


please  send the mail to p4c .. I am not able to help you..

blessings  iren








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The traditional and modern face of immortality shows itself in a
variety of cultural, religious, and technical ways.

The anti-aging promise of a continuous existence, the blight of the
existential plight of the human being being human, associates itself
with a transcendent paradisaical state on earth and in heaven.

As projective identity, the final fantasy of blissful being manifests
as the democratic pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness in a never
ending drama. This is especially true when defining the attributes of
the modern emergence of magico-technological processes.

Exopolitical Conceptions are important to understand in a conscious
sense because there are emotive subtleties to the origins,
transformations, and prospects of organic life and death.

Evolved and reformed as classical and protestant human orthodoxies,
the economics and politics of pursuing immortality are to be found in
human communications as cross-cultural trans-missions, as viral
memes.

Our intellectual and social fantasies, however, are all too human;
even when we speak of the divinity of a higher nature and the
organization of warring cultural belief systems.

Star Trek's characterization of Spock, half-Human (Hu-Man: thinking-
emotive man/ the mundane nature of the Mother) and half-Vulcan (the
tempered fiery nature of the soul/ the diamond clarity of the sun-son
of the Father), offers the following split-handed salutation:

"Live long and prosper."

Spock more or less represents an advanced adept, an emotion-less
human crossed over with a cold-calculating logic in the extreme, an
mega-intellectual portrayal of the sacrificial being become a higher
order abstraction for the functional sanity of genius.

Spock is often portrayed as being bound to well-formed formulas
(mystical rituals of magic) related to mathematical space-time
processes (the infinity structures of meta-physics become physics).

The characterization of Spock, as presented in the sequeled feature
films of Star Trek, deal largely with the symbols and metaphors of
death, rebirth and resurrection by virtue of the human creation of a
technological Genesis Project.

The hospice theme underlies the extra-terrestrial presence of Spock,
heavily relying upon a magico-technological belief in the progressive
medical prowess of advancing strategies (processes) for distinction
(invention) and association (memory).

Programming the magico-technological cost of achieving the final
fantasy, however, is rapidly escalating as the false immortality of
inflated hope, via an instinctive survival mode, that destroys the
very environment in which we live and breathe and share our being.

The Search For Spock, being reflected in traditional culture become
the technological society, heavily invests itself in the drug-related
preemptive euphoric states of pharmacological cornucopia.

We even speak of cryogenic states of suspended animation "waiting for
the day" when science and technology will be capable of reanimating
the frozen heads of true believers.

Modern medicine, as high science and high technology, as magico-
technological procedure become the organic dispensation has, in
advertisement and practiced craft-man-ship, offered a manufactured
solution for every human ailment, benign and malignant.

Re-Forming nature as replace-able parts, one can readily see Data as
the cybernetic organism become creatura lumping the robotic future of
man as Android, Cyborg, or Borg.

One final illustration of The Exopolitical Structure become The
Cyclocosmic Round within The Extra-Terrestrial Presence:

In a memorable Star Trek series episode, a man and woman are exposed
to an unknown form of radiation that accelerates the fate of the
human evolutionary destiny.

We watch horrified as all manner of mutation takes place, distorting
our common-sense of humanity, only to view the end formation of two
serpent~dragon-like lung fish, male and female, that start The Whole
She-Bang 'd�j� vu all over again'.

Food for thought!

DWayne

In einer eMail vom 01.03.2007 17:26:31 Westeurop�ische Normalzeit schreibt
Stanfieldgirl54:

_Click here: UFOexperiences_ (http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/)

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column in the center of the craft. There were "turbines" inside these  magnets.
It
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In einer eMail vom 01.03.2007 18:01:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
janetplanet1111@...:




This is one of most fun and informational posts I have read it awhile....
spiritual speaking....This is one of most fun and informational posts I have
read it awhile....  spiritual speaking....<WBR>. PS I turn 57 years old
today....
This post  thought long was a one of many gifts. I have been using dime
_http://www.soulwisehttp://www.shttp://_
(http://www.soulwise.net/et-101.htm#002)   INTRODUCTORY INFORMATION The Mission
The mission to Planet Earth was
initiated  by request of the planet herself. Earth has asked and the stellar
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been  preparing for our advent. It is now time to enter the Earth plane to
reclaim  this planet in the name of the Forces of Light and to open her doors to
the  cosmic community in which she resides.
We congratulate and salute those of  you throughout the universes who have
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manual before you get there. Although you  are veterans of countless successful
missions to numerous dysfunctional life  support systems, watch out for this
one.
This edition of the manual is  specifically designed for this planetary system
—a system which defies all true  rationality and has raised dysfunctionality
to an art form. It is also one of  the few systems where telling the truth is
covertly considered a creative act.  Because of the inherent hazards of this
planet, Mission Control will not be  responsible for any members of this
mission who do not thoroughly acquaint  themselves with the material contained
in
this special edition.
—Mission  Control

---------------------------------
Special  Note from the Publisher Although you were warned to acquaint
yourselves with  the original manual before departing, a great number of you did
not.
“If  you’ve seen one manual, you’ve seen them all” has proved to be a
cavalier  attitude that many of you have lived to regret, even though most of
you
are  too stunned and dazed by the process to remember just exactly what it is
you  are regretting. Being four hundred light years from home and suddenly
wondering “Did I forget my toothbrush?” is both annoying to Mission Control
as
well as useless to the mission.
So, for those of you who left your galaxy  without it, an unprecedented
reprinting of the manual has been authorized by  the mission’s governing
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This is the remedial version of the original  manual because you couldn’t
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official American and Canadian translation, written  in the vernacular and made
current to your circumstances. It is the strong  recommendation of the Councils,
now that you have yourselves totally  disassembled, why not take a moment to
read the instructions? It is, after  all, at your request that we had them
written.
—The Intergalactic  Council
On behalf of the Confederated Interuniversal Councils, the United  Stellar
Alliances, and the Greater Interdimensional Federation of  Light

---------------------------------
A Word from  Mission Control Mission Control is the tactical arm of the
extraterrestrial  mission to Planet Earth. We implement the decisions of the
stellar councils  and act as an intermediary between the members of the mission
who
have opted  for infantry duty on the planet’s surface and those who are
serving the  mission in any of its many off-planet divisions. It is our
responsibility to  maintain all communication systems among the vast forces that
have now
gathered in this planetary arena. Our purpose is to assist the planet and its
  inhabitants into a new consciousness and reality.
Our prime directive is to  coordinate the movements that Spirit orchestrates.
We are here to assure that  the decree of the High Spiritual Court is
implemented and that the veils of  the third dimension are parted so that light
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it is our mandate to assist all  mission members in the successful completion
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force for this mission; our  status is servant to Spirit.
This is Mission Control speaking. We now end  this  transmission.

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How  to Use the Manual The manual is not a rule book, nor does it tell you
how many  angels are on the head of a pin and which dimension that pin is in. It
also  offers no street maps of the dimensions to satisfy your linear thinking
minds.  This manual is a tool to awaken you to what you already know. It is
an aid in  accessing the real inside information, not an outside authority with
the  latest “ism” in which you should believe.
Because we do not wish this  manual to be misused, we have deliberately left
out some information. If you  find yourself wanting more answers than this
manual offers, don’t just stand  there like a jerk; go inside and ask for
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but
we also stand beside  you as you read it.
We would also like to make it clear that although you  may consider this
manual a “new age” publication, we do not. That is because  what you are
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  is still about religious belief systems as asserted by  outside authorities,
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How you end up  classifying this manual is less important than how you end up
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WORLD
IN BRIEF
----------------
Former Defence Minister Suggests Alien Solution

    A former Canadian defence minister is demanding governments
worldwide disclose and use secret alien technologies obtained in
alleged UFO crashes to stem climate change.
    "I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that
could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a
generation...that could be a way to save our planet," Paul
Hellyer,83,told the Ottawa Citizen.
    Alien technologies could offer humanity alternitives to fossil
fuels, he said, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell,
New Mexico as an example of alien contact. Hellyer was defence
minister in 1963. He shocked Canadians in September 2005 by
announcing he once saw a UFO.
------------------

This article above was the lead, back page story of my local Daily
News under WORLD IN BRIEF sourced at the end to, what I expected to
be canwest or associated press, was actually -Agence France-Presse.

My first thought when I read this was now that he is 83 he wants to
speak his mind, as well as a curiouity behind what else he has said
or really knows, for certain.
To me it was curious reading this Canadian paper quoted something
said in another Canadian paper came sourced through France.

sincere thoughts
Tricia

In einer eMail vom 01.03.2007 21:18:23 Westeurop�ische Normalzeit schreibt
bris-zone@...:




This is the reason  Yahoo gives for the lack of posts today Thursday....
Thought it might  interest you.

Bri.........B

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I agree with you. Human culture is based on the Denial of Death.
That denial is the fundation of religions, mythology and now, the mythology of
extraterrestrials as benevolent gods and malevolent demons.
The UFO phenomenon is historical. The "aliens" are not aliens at all. Perhaps
they were here before us, humans.
The extraterrestrial hypotesis is only one of the possibilities and I think not
the more rational .
We have not a complete understanding of what "objective reality" is or is not.
Perhaps the Intelligences behind the UFO phenomenon belong to a different
dimension of reality. Not to a different planet but a different plane, level of
existence.
Personally I think that the extraterrestrial hypothesis is part of the so called
cover-up.
Fear and hate (reptilians and greys as enemies), hope and submission to the good
ones as the pleiadeans.
A new edition of the Savior mythology...a new edition of Satan, the adversary.
But why are these aliens here?
The answers are totally unsatisfactory.
The abductions theory shows entities that are millions of years more evolved
than us, practicing very old medicine.
No. When we face the UFO phenomenon, when we see a fastwalker performing
"impossible" maneuvers  that challenge all  we  know about time and  space,  we
understand that the UFO  phenomenon is much more complex that anything we can
imagine.

----- Original Message ----
From: dw_wyse <dw_wyse@...>
To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:42:16 AM
Subject: [prepare4contact] Immortality

The traditional and modern face of immortality shows itself in a
variety of cultural, religious, and technical ways.

The anti-aging promise of a continuous existence, the blight of the
existential plight of the human being being human, associates itself
with a transcendent paradisaical state on earth and in heaven.

As projective identity, the final fantasy of blissful being manifests
as the democratic pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness in a never
ending drama. This is especially true when defining the attributes of
the modern emergence of magico-technological processes.

Exopolitical Conceptions are important to understand in a conscious
sense because there are emotive subtleties to the origins,
transformations, and prospects of organic life and death.

Evolved and reformed as classical and protestant human orthodoxies,
the economics and politics of pursuing immortality are to be found in
human communications as cross-cultural trans-missions, as viral
memes.

Our intellectual and social fantasies, however, are all too human;
even when we speak of the divinity of a higher nature and the
organization of warring cultural belief systems.

Star Trek's characterization of Spock, half-Human (Hu-Man: thinking-
emotive man/ the mundane nature of the Mother) and half-Vulcan (the
tempered fiery nature of the soul/ the diamond clarity of the sun-son
of the Father), offers the following split-handed salutation:

"Live long and prosper."

Spock more or less represents an advanced adept, an emotion-less
human crossed over with a cold-calculating logic in the extreme, an
mega-intellectual portrayal of the sacrificial being become a higher
order abstraction for the functional sanity of genius.

Spock is often portrayed as being bound to well-formed formulas
(mystical rituals of magic) related to mathematical space-time
processes (the infinity structures of meta-physics become physics).

The characterization of Spock, as presented in the sequeled feature
films of Star Trek, deal largely with the symbols and metaphors of
death, rebirth and resurrection by virtue of the human creation of a
technological Genesis Project.

The hospice theme underlies the extra-terrestrial presence of Spock,
heavily relying upon a magico-technological belief in the progressive
medical prowess of advancing strategies (processes) for distinction
(invention) and association (memory).

Programming the magico-technological cost of achieving the final
fantasy, however, is rapidly escalating as the false immortality of
inflated hope, via an instinctive survival mode, that destroys the
very environment in which we live and breathe and share our being.

The Search For Spock, being reflected in traditional culture become
the technological society, heavily invests itself in the drug-related
preemptive euphoric states of pharmacological cornucopia.

We even speak of cryogenic states of suspended animation "waiting for
the day" when science and technology will be capable of reanimating
the frozen heads of true believers.

Modern medicine, as high science and high technology, as magico-
technological procedure become the organic dispensation has, in
advertisement and practiced craft-man-ship, offered a manufactured
solution for every human ailment, benign and malignant.

Re-Forming nature as replace-able parts, one can readily see Data as
the cybernetic organism become creatura lumping the robotic future of
man as Android, Cyborg, or Borg.

One final illustration of The Exopolitical Structure become The
Cyclocosmic Round within The Extra-Terrestrial Presence:

In a memorable Star Trek series episode, a man and woman are exposed
to an unknown form of radiation that accelerates the fate of the
human evolutionary destiny.

We watch horrified as all manner of mutation takes place, distorting
our common-sense of humanity, only to view the end formation of two
serpent~dragon-like lung fish, male and female, that start The Whole
She-Bang 'd�j� vu all over again'.

Food for thought!

DWayne






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> As projective identity, the final fantasy of blissful being
manifests > as the democratic pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness
in a never > ending drama. This is especially true when defining the
attributes of > the modern emergence of magico-technological processes.

look no further for magico-technologists than the world transhumanist
association, the transhumanists and the extropians .. it is their
'belief' that one day science might advance to enable the immortality
of material consciousness.
However, given the various recursion paradoxes in logic e.g. turing
and goedel and the scientific inability to explain and delineate what
a thought is e.g gerald edelmann [nobel winner, neurosciences
institute] - it is actually very true that the worlds top intellects -
truly the cream of the scientific crop - have bought into the
irrationalist nightmare that currently is 20th century physics, AI and
computation - ie. they uphold their beliefs in a Very religious- like
way.

These would be the scientists who would be utilised to broker advanced
alien technology to the public.
Don't get me wrong - their ideas are wonderful - and e.g. anders
sandberg stands out as the teutonic genius, max and natasha More and
james hughes, nick bostrom ... its a big big intellectual movement
that some have said actually originated in an american thinktank in
the 1930's when for the very first time the words 'matrix' and
'technology' were used to describe the uploading of consciousness -
alongside the worlks of HG Wells...

Personally there seem to be the smell of something Very illuminati
behind the rational facade though ... e.g. promoting isaac newton -
well known alchemist and magician as an icon etc etc  ...

these are some of the worlds greatest computational scientists yet
they have ignored a whole generation of chaos research at places like
http://www.santafe.edu.

they have some great documents for download at the world transhumanist
societys website .. so you can see that they mean business about
immortality - yet my main criticism of them is that after selling you
on the great stretch limo, the onboard fridge, plasma screen and
satellite dish - leather seats, gold doorhandles, ambient lighting etc
  its not till you get in that you realise that there's no engine -
that you've got to use the bicycle pedals provided ...

these guys are running on redundant sciences - ultimately they are a
magical belief system ... worse that they do not use new research
discoveries in their strategic choices.

However - if there is going to be brokerage of human enhancements by
extra terrestrial civilisations - these are the guys ...
watch out for them ...

andrew



>
> Exopolitical Conceptions are important to understand in a conscious
> sense because there are emotive subtleties to the origins,
> transformations, and prospects of organic life and death.
>
> Evolved and reformed as classical and protestant human orthodoxies,
> the economics and politics of pursuing immortality are to be found in
> human communications as cross-cultural trans-missions, as viral
> memes.
>
> Our intellectual and social fantasies, however, are all too human;
> even when we speak of the divinity of a higher nature and the
> organization of warring cultural belief systems.
>
> Star Trek's characterization of Spock, half-Human (Hu-Man: thinking-
> emotive man/ the mundane nature of the Mother) and half-Vulcan (the
> tempered fiery nature of the soul/ the diamond clarity of the sun-son
> of the Father), offers the following split-handed salutation:
>
> "Live long and prosper."
>
> Spock more or less represents an advanced adept, an emotion-less
> human crossed over with a cold-calculating logic in the extreme, an
> mega-intellectual portrayal of the sacrificial being become a higher
> order abstraction for the functional sanity of genius.
>
> Spock is often portrayed as being bound to well-formed formulas
> (mystical rituals of magic) related to mathematical space-time
> processes (the infinity structures of meta-physics become physics).
>
> The characterization of Spock, as presented in the sequeled feature
> films of Star Trek, deal largely with the symbols and metaphors of
> death, rebirth and resurrection by virtue of the human creation of a
> technological Genesis Project.
>
> The hospice theme underlies the extra-terrestrial presence of Spock,
> heavily relying upon a magico-technological belief in the progressive
> medical prowess of advancing strategies (processes) for distinction
> (invention) and association (memory).
>
> Programming the magico-technological cost of achieving the final
> fantasy, however, is rapidly escalating as the false immortality of
> inflated hope, via an instinctive survival mode, that destroys the
> very environment in which we live and breathe and share our being.
>
> The Search For Spock, being reflected in traditional culture become
> the technological society, heavily invests itself in the drug-related
> preemptive euphoric states of pharmacological cornucopia.
>
> We even speak of cryogenic states of suspended animation "waiting for
> the day" when science and technology will be capable of reanimating
> the frozen heads of true believers.
>
> Modern medicine, as high science and high technology, as magico-
> technological procedure become the organic dispensation has, in
> advertisement and practiced craft-man-ship, offered a manufactured
> solution for every human ailment, benign and malignant.
>
> Re-Forming nature as replace-able parts, one can readily see Data as
> the cybernetic organism become creatura lumping the robotic future of
> man as Android, Cyborg, or Borg.
>
> One final illustration of The Exopolitical Structure become The
> Cyclocosmic Round within The Extra-Terrestrial Presence:
>
> In a memorable Star Trek series episode, a man and woman are exposed
> to an unknown form of radiation that accelerates the fate of the
> human evolutionary destiny.
>
> We watch horrified as all manner of mutation takes place, distorting
> our common-sense of humanity, only to view the end formation of two
> serpent~dragon-like lung fish, male and female, that start The Whole
> She-Bang 'd�j� vu all over again'.
>
> Food for thought!
>
> DWayne
>

Hi Andrew:

   You don't need technology to be immortal.  All you have to is be One in
complete love with the universe.  Then all those immortal beings open the great
halls wide.

   I have been training to ascend into immortality for two years; it's quite an
interesting endeavor.

   blessings,
   Ariella








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Hi everyone:

   Paul Hellyer is an outspoken advocate of open contact.  I don't think it has
to do with being 83.  I think it was a couple years ago that he was denied
entrance into the U.S. to attend an ufo conference.

   thanks for the info,
   Ariella

shellsea_a_mountainous <shellsea_a_mountainous@...> wrote:
           WORLD
IN BRIEF
----------------
Former Defence Minister Suggests Alien Solution

A former Canadian defence minister is demanding governments
worldwide disclose and use secret alien technologies obtained in
alleged UFO crashes to stem climate change.
"I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that
could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a
generation...that could be a way to save our planet," Paul
Hellyer,83,told the Ottawa Citizen.
Alien technologies could offer humanity alternitives to fossil
fuels, he said, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell,
New Mexico as an example of alien contact. Hellyer was defence
minister in 1963. He shocked Canadians in September 2005 by
announcing he once saw a UFO.
------------------

This article above was the lead, back page story of my local Daily
News under WORLD IN BRIEF sourced at the end to, what I expected to
be canwest or associated press, was actually -Agence France-Presse.

My first thought when I read this was now that he is 83 he wants to
speak his mind, as well as a curiouity behind what else he has said
or really knows, for certain.
To me it was curious reading this Canadian paper quoted something
said in another Canadian paper came sourced through France.

sincere thoughts
Tricia






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It might be noted: Within the Halls of which you write, there are no
doors, so it may seems that while guides and angels (or Elders,
i.e.,Immortal Beings) assist your ascension, it is your own
perception and use of your mind that removes any barriers, doors, and
or beliefs (true or false) that could prohibit your entrance into the
Kingdom.  It shall also be noted that once you are 'there' you will
see the transparency of 'it_all' and another knowing shall be
afforded to you.  Lightdrops

--- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, Ariella Melchizedek
<fantiso2012@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew:
>
>   You don't need technology to be immortal.  All you have to is be
One in complete love with the universe.  Then all those immortal
beings open the great halls wide.
>
>   I have been training to ascend into immortality for two years;
it's quite an interesting endeavor.
>
>   blessings,
>   Ariella
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Tricia,
     Tesla discovered the secret of UFO propulsion in 1914, and had an
operational free energy device by at least the early 1930's. (Now he claimed to
be 'in communication with ET's', (via telepathy), but I wanted to point out that
the zero point technology has been in the brains and hands of mankind for 80-90
years. Anytime the PTB want to give up their ruler status and free the rest of
us from their imposed 'reign of terror', they can do so, and so former Defense
Minister Heller ain't shistling Dixie/ain't lying. Love, Steve

Former Defence Minister Suggests Alien Solution
>
>   A former Canadian defence minister is demanding governments
>worldwide disclose and use secret alien technologies obtained in
>alleged UFO crashes to stem climate change.
>   "I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that
>could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a
>generation...that could be a way to save our planet," Paul
>Hellyer,83,told the Ottawa Citizen.
>   Alien technologies could offer humanity alternitives to fossil
>fuels, he said, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell,
>New Mexico as an example of alien contact. Hellyer was defence
>minister in 1963. He shocked Canadians in September 2005 by
>announcing he once saw a UFO.
>------------------
>
>This article above was the lead, back page story of my local Daily
>News under WORLD IN BRIEF sourced at the end to, what I expected to
>be canwest or associated press, was actually -Agence France-Presse.
>
>My first thought when I read this was now that he is 83 he wants to
>speak his mind, as well as a curiouity behind what else he has said
>or really knows, for certain.
>To me it was curious reading this Canadian paper quoted something
>said in another Canadian paper came sourced through France.
>
>sincere thoughts
>Tricia
>

Hi Eugene and Wayne,
In no particular order,
The Grays, Pleiadians, and Reptilians are neither good nor bad, they
just are, just
like the rest of all the Star Visitor species.
The fundemental thing that humans really will have to get used to, is
that they know
what we're thinking before We say it.
When they are a hundred feet or closer to Them, They will have already
scanned Us,
and know chapter and verse, and everything else, about Us.
We will have to get used to conversing via telepathy, only then will we
start on the
road to understanding, about everything.

Have U both, and everybody else, watched the Clifford Stone interview yet?

In my view, everybody on the net, who wants to start on the road to having a
serious understanding about the Star Visitor/Craft Enigma needs to watch
that interview.
No matter whether your an Experiencer or Contactee or whatever, it is
essential viewing,
in order to allow one to start to get to grips with this whole thing.
In my many years of both net research, and before that, this interview
stands out as
a beacon to light humanity's path towards our collective future.

With the many and varied challenges that lay ahead of Us, in the very
near future,
getting to grips with what he has to say, which in of itself, is still
only a little part of the
whole story, will be vital in laying a foundation for our future
learning about not only about
the Star Visitors and their various craft, but about the truth about Us
as a species as well.
Bre.

Eugene Fulle wrote:
>
> I agree with you. Human culture is based on the Denial of Death.
> That denial is the fundation of religions, mythology and now, the
> mythology of extraterrestrials as benevolent gods and malevolent demons.
> The UFO phenomenon is historical. The "aliens" are not aliens at all.
> Perhaps they were here before us, humans.
> The extraterrestrial hypotesis is only one of the possibilities and I
> think not the more rational .
> We have not a complete understanding of what "objective reality" is or
> is not.
> Perhaps the Intelligences behind the UFO phenomenon belong to a
> different dimension of reality. Not to a different planet but a
> different plane, level of existence.
> Personally I think that the extraterrestrial hypothesis is part of the
> so called cover-up.
> Fear and hate (reptilians and greys as enemies), hope and submission
> to the good ones as the pleiadeans.
> A new edition of the Savior mythology...a new edition of Satan, the
> adversary.
> But why are these aliens here?
> The answers are totally unsatisfactory.
> The abductions theory shows entities that are millions of years more
> evolved than us, practicing very old medicine.
> No. When we face the UFO phenomenon, when we see a fastwalker
> performing "impossible" maneuvers that challenge all we know about
> time and space, we understand that the UFO phenomenon is much more
> complex that anything we can imagine.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: dw_wyse <dw_wyse@... <mailto:dw_wyse%40yahoo.com>>
> To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:prepare4contact%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:42:16 AM
> Subject: [prepare4contact] Immortality
>
> The traditional and modern face of immortality shows itself in a
> variety of cultural, religious, and technical ways.
>
> The anti-aging promise of a continuous existence, the blight of the
> existential plight of the human being being human, associates itself
> with a transcendent paradisaical state on earth and in heaven.
>
> As projective identity, the final fantasy of blissful being manifests
> as the democratic pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness in a never
> ending drama. This is especially true when defining the attributes of
> the modern emergence of magico-technological processes.
>
> Exopolitical Conceptions are important to understand in a conscious
> sense because there are emotive subtleties to the origins,
> transformations, and prospects of organic life and death.
>
> Evolved and reformed as classical and protestant human orthodoxies,
> the economics and politics of pursuing immortality are to be found in
> human communications as cross-cultural trans-missions, as viral
> memes.
>
> Our intellectual and social fantasies, however, are all too human;
> even when we speak of the divinity of a higher nature and the
> organization of warring cultural belief systems.
>
> Star Trek's characterization of Spock, half-Human (Hu-Man: thinking-
> emotive man/ the mundane nature of the Mother) and half-Vulcan (the
> tempered fiery nature of the soul/ the diamond clarity of the sun-son
> of the Father), offers the following split-handed salutation:
>
> "Live long and prosper."
>
> Spock more or less represents an advanced adept, an emotion-less
> human crossed over with a cold-calculating logic in the extreme, an
> mega-intellectual portrayal of the sacrificial being become a higher
> order abstraction for the functional sanity of genius.
>
> Spock is often portrayed as being bound to well-formed formulas
> (mystical rituals of magic) related to mathematical space-time
> processes (the infinity structures of meta-physics become physics).
>
> The characterization of Spock, as presented in the sequeled feature
> films of Star Trek, deal largely with the symbols and metaphors of
> death, rebirth and resurrection by virtue of the human creation of a
> technological Genesis Project.
>
> The hospice theme underlies the extra-terrestrial presence of Spock,
> heavily relying upon a magico-technological belief in the progressive
> medical prowess of advancing strategies (processes) for distinction
> (invention) and association (memory).
>
> Programming the magico-technological cost of achieving the final
> fantasy, however, is rapidly escalating as the false immortality of
> inflated hope, via an instinctive survival mode, that destroys the
> very environment in which we live and breathe and share our being.
>
> The Search For Spock, being reflected in traditional culture become
> the technological society, heavily invests itself in the drug-related
> preemptive euphoric states of pharmacological cornucopia.
>
> We even speak of cryogenic states of suspended animation "waiting for
> the day" when science and technology will be capable of reanimating
> the frozen heads of true believers.
>
> Modern medicine, as high science and high technology, as magico-
> technological procedure become the organic dispensation has, in
> advertisement and practiced craft-man-ship, offered a manufactured
> solution for every human ailment, benign and malignant.
>
> Re-Forming nature as replace-able parts, one can readily see Data as
> the cybernetic organism become creatura lumping the robotic future of
> man as Android, Cyborg, or Borg.
>
> One final illustration of The Exopolitical Structure become The
> Cyclocosmic Round within The Extra-Terrestrial Presence:
>
> In a memorable Star Trek series episode, a man and woman are exposed
> to an unknown form of radiation that accelerates the fate of the
> human evolutionary destiny.
>
> We watch horrified as all manner of mutation takes place, distorting
> our common-sense of humanity, only to view the end formation of two
> serpent~dragon-like lung fish, male and female, that start The Whole
> She-Bang 'd�j� vu all over again'.
>
> Food for thought!
>
> DWayne
>
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UFO science key to halting climate change: former Canadian defense minister

Wed Feb 28, 1:04 PM ET

Aformer Canadian defense minister is demanding governments worldwidedisclose and
use secret alien technologies obtained in alleged UFOcrashes to stem climate
change, a local paper said Wednesday.

"Iwould like to see what (alien) technology there might be that couldeliminate
the burning of fossil fuels within a generation ... thatcould be a way to save
our planet," Paul Hellyer, 83, told the OttawaCitizen.

Alien spacecrafts would have traveled vast distances toreach Earth, and so must
be equipped with advanced propulsion systemsor used exceptional fuels, he told
the newspaper.

Such alientechnologies could offer humanity alternatives to fossil fuels,
hesaid, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell, New Mexico --which
has become a shrine for UFO believers -- as an example of aliencontact.

"We need to persuade governments to come clean on whatthey know. Some of us
suspect they know quite a lot, and it might beenough to save our planet if
applied quickly enough," he said.

Hellyerbecame defense minister in former prime minister Lester Pearson'scabinet
in 1963, and oversaw the controversial integration andunification of Canada's
army, air force and navy into the CanadianForces.

He shocked Canadians in September 2005 by announcing he once saw a UFO.
Original article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070228/od_afp/canadaenvironmentkyoto
UFOs to halt climate change?
01/03/2007 11:35 - (SA)

Ottawa - A former Canadian defense minister is demanding governmentsworldwide
disclose and use secret alien technologies obtained inalleged UFO crashes to
stem climate change, a local paper said onWednesday.
"I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be thatcould eliminate
the burning of fossil fuels within a generation ...that could be a way to save
our planet," Paul Hellyer, 83, told theOttawa Citizen.
Alien spacecrafts would have travelled vast distances to reachEarth, and so must
be equipped with advanced propulsion systems or usedexceptional fuels, he told
the newspaper.
Such alien technologies could offer humanity alternatives to fossilfuels, he
said, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell, NewMexico - which has
become a shrine for UFO believers - as an example ofalien contact.
"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they know.Some of us
suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough tosave our planet if
applied quickly enough," he said.
Hellyer became defence minister in former prime minister LesterPearson's cabinet
in 1963, and oversaw the controversial integrationand unification of Canada's
army, air force and navy into the CanadianForces.
He shocked Canadians in September 2005 by announcing he once saw a UFO.
Original article:
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_2076638,00.html
URL of this article:
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2007/03/ufos_to_halt_cl.html



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>
> Hi Andrew:
>
>   You don't need technology to be immortal.  All you have to is be
One in complete love with the universe.  Then all those immortal
beings open the great halls wide.

hi Ariella and thanks for your concern - thankfully I know this - but
materialists cannot and will not accept this simple and eternal truth.
the transhumanists though seem to want to live in a virtual and clunky
pixelated universe feeding off energy bytes and eating up other
peoples data - maybe even clothed in semi-robotic skin etc

I'm well aware that that path is the road of death and the way of death.
>
>   I have been training to ascend into immortality for two years;
it's quite an interesting endeavor.
>
>   blessings,
>   Ariella
>
I've been thinking about my next life for some time now too ... but I
definitely don't want to run for the exits in this funfair without my
cuddly toy ...
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/posthumanity/files/SHORES of the
DREAMING RAINBOW3.pdf

andrew

why would humans be born with amnesia ?

It might work with amnesia at a subconscious level where we are born
into circumstances where we end up reproducing the circumstances,
emotions, tempations and choices within the original felony - but
played out as an analogy using basic human concepts and technologies.

I remember choosing my life from 15 families in western europe and of
talking my selection through with someone .. it was like 15 job
descriptions - 15 peer groups - 15 sets of possibilities
impossibilities and challenges -

it was up to me what I wanted to work on and work with - what issues
that I wanted to resolve - and how much of my being that I would have
excluded from the mix ...

I think our amnesia is managed .... that we ought to be able to paint
like da vinci, do maths like einstein - or better - play mozart and
leap between tall buildings ..
but that being relatively stupid and human - with limited resources -
we have to really prioritise our actions more so that the things that
are truly most importnat to us come to the fore as our identified
priorities - whereas if we were just hanging about in some ancient
nexus amongst a million memories and skills - we wouldn't be able to
see what our contemporary issues really were ..
hence - the human condition on planet earth.

people like ralph X though - well he betrayed his stellar alien mates
in a war - and he has memories of being a world war 1 and 2 spy and
pilot etc ...
I met ralph in 1981 - he used to work for the cia in canada in the
accounts fepartment - till he met some wierd girl from scien

Eugene is right in his use of the collective "we" in his ending
statement when you know who the "we" is that he's referring to: "When
we face the UFO phenomenon, when we see a fastwalker
performing "impossible" maneuvers that challenge all we know about
time and space, we understand that the UFO phenomenon is much more
complex that anything we can imagine." He, obviously, presumes to
speak for mainstream science and, like them, doesn't realize that
there are millions of human beings who do know the truth regarding
the multi-dimensional technology of the ETs, as well as the origins
of religion. The basis for those who know, and those who don't know
lies in the evolution of the human soul, which Eugene and others of
like mind don't believe in, and therein lies the root of their
problem.

The owners of this forum are very spiritual people who understand the
problems created by religions that became tainted with bogus
theological dogma.
The founders of the major religions, such as Jesus (actually later by
St. Paul), Siddhartha, Sri Krishna, Mohammad, etc., communicated
with "God" clairvoyantly and conveyed their particular illuminated
philosophy to their disciples & fellow man/woman, which was not based
on any "myth" nor was it a "denial of death." The only people, for
the most part, who fear death are agnostics and atheists, which is
due to our public education systems and science that are grounded in
agnosticism, and they erroneously believe that religionists have
always had the same mind-set (fear of death).

The Extra-terrestrials have come to the earth from various planetary
systems throughout the galaxy and from the Andromeda galaxy, as well
as the "Dal" universe.
In many cases they have communicated telepathically with kindred
souls on earth, and have also "channelled" through many others. Their
purpose here is well known and has been documented in many books, and
they're also working in collaboration with the spiritual hierarchy of
the earth. They are here to help humanity, and the earth evolve to a
higher level and fulfil their purpose in God's plans. The ETs have
been around, off & on, for millions of years, and have bases on the
earth as well as the moon. The fact that they have advanced
technology that can help humanity and the earth does not make
them "saviours," but merely loving brothers & sisters who are a
little more spiritually evolved then the average human soul. The
abduction phenomenon is not a "theory," but is based on the reality
of the ETs from Zeta Reticuli who are trying to save their own race
from extinction. The fact that they haven't gone about it in a nice
way doesn't correlate them or the Reptilians with Satan either, and
to insinuate this belies a foolish psychological attempt to denigrate
theological doctrine. ETs have confirmed the existence of heaven, and
so has the CIA with its "scientific remote viewing," however, the
sceptics who are in "denial" will continue living with their heads in
the sand. Religions have their problems, and have been led by pseudo-
educated, pseudo-intelligent twits for centuries, which resulted in a
great deal of bloodshed, but that doesn't alter the fact of the
genuine metaphysics, or existence of God, that religions are grounded
in. With regards the ETs, "the answers are totally unsatisfactory"
only to those who are living in "denial" of "objective reality"
themselves, because of their miss-education/brainwashing and
arrogantly false presumption to speak from a superior altitude of
being, which is evident in their messages here.

Dean Sloan
Theosophical Metaphysicist
http://www.qdeansloan.com

--- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, Eugene Fulle
<eugenefulle@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you. Human culture is based on the Denial of Death.
> That denial is the fundation of religions, mythology and now, the
mythology of extraterrestrials as benevolent gods and malevolent
demons.
> The UFO phenomenon is historical. The "aliens" are not aliens at
all. Perhaps they were here before us, humans.
> The extraterrestrial hypotesis is only one of the possibilities and
I think not the more rational .
> We have not a complete understanding of what "objective reality" is
or is not.
> Perhaps the Intelligences behind the UFO phenomenon belong to a
different dimension of reality. Not to a different planet but a
different plane, level of existence.
> Personally I think that the extraterrestrial hypothesis is part of
the so called cover-up.
> Fear and hate (reptilians and greys as enemies), hope and
submission to the good ones as the pleiadeans.
> A new edition of the Savior mythology...a new edition of Satan, the
adversary.
> But why are these aliens here?
> The answers are totally unsatisfactory.
> The abductions theory shows entities that are millions of years
more evolved than us, practicing very old medicine.
> No. When we face the UFO phenomenon, when we see a fastwalker
performing "impossible" maneuvers  that challenge all  we  know about
time and  space,  we understand that the UFO  phenomenon is much more
complex that anything we can imagine.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: dw_wyse <dw_wyse@...>
> To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:42:16 AM
> Subject: [prepare4contact] Immortality
>
> The traditional and modern face of immortality shows itself in a
> variety of cultural, religious, and technical ways.
>
> The anti-aging promise of a continuous existence, the blight of the
> existential plight of the human being being human, associates
itself
> with a transcendent paradisaical state on earth and in heaven.
>
> As projective identity, the final fantasy of blissful being
manifests
> as the democratic pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness in a
never
> ending drama. This is especially true when defining the attributes
of
> the modern emergence of magico-technological processes.
>
> Exopolitical Conceptions are important to understand in a conscious
> sense because there are emotive subtleties to the origins,
> transformations, and prospects of organic life and death.
>
> Evolved and reformed as classical and protestant human orthodoxies,
> the economics and politics of pursuing immortality are to be found
in
> human communications as cross-cultural trans-missions, as viral
> memes.
>
> Our intellectual and social fantasies, however, are all too human;
> even when we speak of the divinity of a higher nature and the
> organization of warring cultural belief systems.
>
> Star Trek's characterization of Spock, half-Human (Hu-Man: thinking-
> emotive man/ the mundane nature of the Mother) and half-Vulcan (the
> tempered fiery nature of the soul/ the diamond clarity of the sun-
son
> of the Father), offers the following split-handed salutation:
>
> "Live long and prosper."
>
> Spock more or less represents an advanced adept, an emotion-less
> human crossed over with a cold-calculating logic in the extreme, an
> mega-intellectual portrayal of the sacrificial being become a
higher
> order abstraction for the functional sanity of genius.
>
> Spock is often portrayed as being bound to well-formed formulas
> (mystical rituals of magic) related to mathematical space-time
> processes (the infinity structures of meta-physics become physics).
>
> The characterization of Spock, as presented in the sequeled feature
> films of Star Trek, deal largely with the symbols and metaphors of
> death, rebirth and resurrection by virtue of the human creation of
a
> technological Genesis Project.
>
> The hospice theme underlies the extra-terrestrial presence of
Spock,
> heavily relying upon a magico-technological belief in the
progressive
> medical prowess of advancing strategies (processes) for distinction
> (invention) and association (memory).
>
> Programming the magico-technological cost of achieving the final
> fantasy, however, is rapidly escalating as the false immortality of
> inflated hope, via an instinctive survival mode, that destroys the
> very environment in which we live and breathe and share our being.
>
> The Search For Spock, being reflected in traditional culture become
> the technological society, heavily invests itself in the drug-
related
> preemptive euphoric states of pharmacological cornucopia.
>
> We even speak of cryogenic states of suspended animation "waiting
for
> the day" when science and technology will be capable of reanimating
> the frozen heads of true believers.
>
> Modern medicine, as high science and high technology, as magico-
> technological procedure become the organic dispensation has, in
> advertisement and practiced craft-man-ship, offered a manufactured
> solution for every human ailment, benign and malignant.
>
> Re-Forming nature as replace-able parts, one can readily see Data
as
> the cybernetic organism become creatura lumping the robotic future
of
> man as Android, Cyborg, or Borg.
>
> One final illustration of The Exopolitical Structure become The
> Cyclocosmic Round within The Extra-Terrestrial Presence:
>
> In a memorable Star Trek series episode, a man and woman are
exposed
> to an unknown form of radiation that accelerates the fate of the
> human evolutionary destiny.
>
> We watch horrified as all manner of mutation takes place,
distorting
> our common-sense of humanity, only to view the end formation of two
> serpent~dragon-like lung fish, male and female, that start The
Whole
> She-Bang 'd�j� vu all over again'.
>
> Food for thought!
>
> DWayne

>
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>

In einer eMail vom 02.03.2007 09:45:23 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
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Love  and Light.

David


Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause  for Warming, Scientist Says Kate
Ravilious
for National Geographic  News

February 28, 2007
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars  suggests that our planet's recent
climate changes have a natural—and not a  human- induced—cause, according to
one
scientist's controversial theory. Earth  is currently experiencing rapid
warming, which the vast majority of climate  scientists says is due to humans
pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into  the atmosphere. (Get an overview:
"Global Warming Fast Facts".)

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Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more  mild and balmy temperatures. In 2005
data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and  Odyssey missions revealed that the
carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south  pole had been diminishing for
three summers in a row. Habibullo Abdussamatov,  head of the St. Petersburg's
Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says  the Mars data is evidence that
the current global warming on Earth is being  caused by changes in the sun.
"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is  heating both Earth and Mars," he
said. Solar Cycles Abdussamatov believes that  changes in the sun's heat
output can account for almost all the climate  changes we see on both planets.
Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced  periodic ice ages throughout
their histories. "Man-made greenhouse warming has  made a small contribution to
the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it  cannot compete with the
increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.  By
studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he  can
see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth
and Mars. Abdussamatov'studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun,
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A Letter From James Twyman  regarding
"The Secret" conference calls:


Friends,


I hope you've  already listened to one or both of the conference calls
because they've been  astounding. On Wednesday James Ray and I explored the
science
behind  creating peace in the world and how the law of attraction allows us to
move  past the ego, attracting into our lives the soul's highest desire. Here
in  is the link to the first call:
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The  second call with Neale Donald Walsch, which is now posted online,
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works.  Here's the link to the call with Neale:
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Tomorrow  Debbie Ford, Jean Houston and I will discuss some of the blocks to
using the  Secret, then how we can apply the same technology to creating a
world based  upon the laws of compassion and peace. Over 11,000 people signed up
to  participate in this powerful series, and yet it feels like we're just
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The call with Rev. Michael Beckwith is currently  being rescheduled and we'll
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It feels as if this discussion is the natural step toward  applying the Law
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Hello,
my name is Arma,
this is my homepage:

  www.geocities.com/armageddoniscommin

it will tell you some things about me,
but not the vast majority of them, though.

i'd like to say i'm not a sceptic,
i'm a "believer" for a lack of better
word. i'm on your side, so to say,
i.e. i'm on the side of the Light.

it seems that a spy from the Dark side
maybe amongst us.

i'm not sure, though...

anyway, i'm just trying to be carefull.

I have some questions that I know
you are capable of answering, it seems.


is it ok to ask?


in the Light of the Star Wisdom,

  Arma

In einer eMail vom 02.03.2007 08:50:42 Westeurop�ische Normalzeit schreibt
universal_heartbeat2012@...:




Dear Friends,

Here's the latest from Jake...

_http://thebravenewwhttp://thehttp://thhttp://thhttp://thehttp://thebrhttp://t
hhttp://the_
(http://thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.com/2007/03/london-eye-and-911-stargate-v\
ideo.html)

Love  and Light.

David

The London Eye and the 911 Stargate  (Video)

In this video I explore the occult resonance attached  syncromysticly to 9/11
and the London Eye. It is shown how the London Eye and  the World Trade
Center express the themes of the stargate, the door to cosmic  illumination.
This
furthers the idea of 9/11 as a secret society ritual and  the possible alien
aspirations of its instigators.

More to  come.


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Go on Arma, ask your question....
   to ask is one of the way of Knowledge.

   Noeticus

Arma Geddon <armageddoniscommin@...> ha scritto:
           Hello,
my name is Arma,
this is my homepage:

www.geocities.com/armageddoniscommin

it will tell you some things about me,
but not the vast majority of them, though.

i'd like to say i'm not a sceptic,
i'm a "believer" for a lack of better
word. i'm on your side, so to say,
i.e. i'm on the side of the Light.

it seems that a spy from the Dark side
maybe amongst us.

i'm not sure, though...

anyway, i'm just trying to be carefull.

I have some questions that I know
you are capable of answering, it seems.

is it ok to ask?

in the Light of the Star Wisdom,

Arma







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Thanks to everyone who responded to my "The Dragons of Eden" theme on
Immortality, which brings me to consider another Exopolitical paper
mentioning "The Search for the Star-Gate" and the association
with "War-Time Adventure."

The film "Star-Gate" and the resulting "Star-Gate SG1 and Star-Gate-
Atlantis" are very interesting because they offer a potpourri of
psychic and psychological symbolism: ancient and contemporary magic,
mysticism, and science revisited.

Star-Gate Atlantis (The New-Old Beginning-End) parallels The Four-
Gated City interests of H. G. Wells: The Time Machine, the split-
handed / Split-brained human complexity of The Above-Ground Cultured-
Domesticated Human and The Under-Ground-Industrialized Morlock (The
Ancient Parasitic Warlock). The Atlantis theme is a "celestial island-
celestial city" in the cosmic ocean-sky symbolism.

The fantastic appeal of Star-Gate has a lot to do with the nature of
Buddhism (magic, mysticism, and cosmic humanism) and contemporary
humanity's interest in high science and high technology. A quick
search of images using "Buddhism" will give a ringed iconography: (a
circular round) with meditating figure sitting in bliss-full harmony
with the typical celestial clouds (The Cloud Messenger--Kalidasa) as
an inner-space and outer-space motif: A Star-Gate or Cosmic-Gate.

There is also something here to do with mountains and man-made
pyramids and embracing the summit of cosmic consciousness as cosmic
harmony. ("The Meru Foundation": The Handed Cosmic Code.)

The Buddhist motif as religious symbolism usually is associated with
beautiful prismatic colourations that are also associated with
various philosophical points of view regarding the nature of cosmic
consciousness (Alien and Humanoid behavioral orientations) and man's
place within the cosmos (Cosmic Consciousness: A Study in the
Evolution of the Human Mind--Richard Maurice Bucke; apparently
mankind has only recently eye-evolved a broader range of the spectrum
of "Colour-ation").

In short, states of mind and being. Star-Gate introduces the observer-
remote viewer to the extra-human idea that an ancient extra-
terrestrial ring-round of material "not-of-this-world" is found and
unearthed in an archaeological expedition; i.e., as antiquities. Very
much like Raiders of the Lost Ark and the Nazi search.

The ring-round, The Cosmic Code, is deciphered by an Odd-John, a
linguist-symbolist, a highly educated home-less miss-fit, who by
chance recognition identifies the ring-round symbols with the
mythological identifications of a Star-Chart.

Brilliance--"He did it." Now let's use it for military purposes. What
makes this realization so interesting is all the attached
electronics, computers, and technological process (Electric Blue)
represented by the extra-sensory extensional paraphernalia that makes
the ring-round come to life once again.

(Remember "Total Recall"--a wired space-helmet space-craft round and
TANSPORT into ILLUSION as REALITY.) Ah La, THE MATRIX. The Moon-Mars
connection.

When The Cosmic Code is successfully entered we get that
familiar "WOOSH" of the vortex in and out (an hour-glass figure) of
blue water (The Ethereal Electric Blue Waters of Creation-Chaos). Now
the high adventure of discovery begins and we watch as a robot is
tracked on a translucent screen through the universe of
universes...get the picture.

What is truly fascinating as arcane symbolism is the tracking
representation that moves across the transparent screen in the
control room -- a round target sight, the vertical and horizontal "x
and y and z" axis of The Axial Civilization: The Radial Com-Pus:
directional protractor digitized on a trans-lucent drafting board.

A chaotic battle ensues as the high adventure of discovery turns sour
because an "Alien Boss"--the last of a dying race is in control of a
lost human civilization that labors for the aggrandizement of the
Alien Master; the old rope and whip imagery of the Pharaohs, the
Pyramid, and The Slave Race: The Gold Diggers.

Throw in the use of "Primitive" nuclear weaponry and we have a
morality play that involves Planetary Survival and a remote love
interest between a lost-in-space linguist-symbolist and a captive
slave girl (who educates him in the mundane ways of her world); i.e.,
Arabian Nights and the "Love" interest.

Stanislav Grof titles "IT"--The Cosmic Game; another, "The Play of
Consciousness"--Swami Muktananda.

Several years ago I purchased my own Star-Gate: a Gate-Way 2000 G6
Pentium Pro...get the message: Jump into The New Millennium Star-Gate
for The New Age?

Prior to that I was "Klunking Around The Known Universe" (What the
Bleep Do We Know?!) with a "Macintosh Plus"--"Newton's Apple"
struggling to comprehend and understand while "Taking The Quantum
Leap" with Fred Allen Wolf's "The Spiritual Universe." Physics become
Meta-Physics.

My Jump to Hyper-Space was quite profound as I entered the New Age
with my newly acquired "Millennium Falcon"--"WOOSH--LIGHTSPEED" in
conjunction with Julian Jaynes' The Origin of Consciousness in the
Bicameral Mind. Ah so, UNITY.

The Cosmic Vehicle: the Diamond Body, The Solar Angel, The Christos,
The Merkabah, The Soul--call it what you will--can "TRANSPORT."

We even have "THE" more recent versions: 'Luke' Sky-Walker of the
Star-Wars Trilogy (a Trinity); similar to the Native American
appellation: "Wind-Walker."

Washington, Secret Societies, Skull & Bones, The Baroque Capital,
Freemasons, UFO's, Global Warming, The New Ice Age, The End of
History, Conspiracy Theories, War Sacrifices, etc.

The Mystery of Mysteries...The Mysterious Universe!

DWayne

--- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, noeticus <noeticus5@...>
wrote:
>
> Go on Arma, ask your questions....
>   to ask is one of the way of Knowledge.
>
>   Noeticus
>







thank you.



one of my questions is about:

Councillor of/for Earth - A Role Description
  http://www.drboylan.com/coedescription.html



it seemed I could not find any substantiating evidence
that supports the above claim. do you know of any?
has this been somehow validated? any known attempts to do so?

i appologize, but he seems to me to be
a self-proclaimed  "Councillor of/for Earth" ... ?


thank you for your help.

arma












> Arma Geddon <armageddoniscommin@...> ha scritto:
>           Hello,
> my name is Arma,
> this is my homepage:
>
> www.geocities.com/armageddoniscommin
>
> it will tell you some things about me,
> but not the vast majority of them, though.
>
> i'd like to say i'm not a sceptic,
> i'm a "believer" for a lack of better
> word. i'm on your side, so to say,
> i.e. i'm on the side of the Light.
>
> it seems that a spy from the Dark side
> maybe amongst us.
>
> i'm not sure, though...
>
> anyway, i'm just trying to be carefull.
>
> I have some questions that I know
> you are capable of answering, it seems.
>
> is it ok to ask?
>
> in the Light of the Star Wisdom,
>
> Arma
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>  L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la  nuova
Yahoo! Mail
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Your impression is more than adeguate. Discernement is what we all must use in
this end times.
   If your balanced Instinct/Logic mind tells you that a "Consellor for earth" is
not belevable because it is not been elected in any democratic way, than you
should follow it.
   You have, potentially, all the answers within yourself.
   Do not search outside for inside matter.

   In peace.
   Carlantonio.


Arma Geddon <armageddoniscommin@...> ha scritto:


--- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, noeticus <noeticus5@...>
wrote:
>
> Go on Arma, ask your questions....
> to ask is one of the way of Knowledge.
>
> Noeticus
>

thank you.

one of my questions is about:

Councillor of/for Earth - A Role Description
http://www.drboylan.com/coedescription.html

it seemed I could not find any substantiating evidence
that supports the above claim. do you know of any?
has this been somehow validated? any known attempts to do so?

i appologize, but he seems to me to be
a self-proclaimed "Councillor of/for Earth" ... ?

thank you for your help.

arma


> Arma Geddon <armageddoniscommin@...> ha scritto:
> Hello,
> my name is Arma,
> this is my homepage:
>
> www.geocities.com/armageddoniscommin
>
> it will tell you some things about me,
> but not the vast majority of them, though.
>
> i'd like to say i'm not a sceptic,
> i'm a "believer" for a lack of better
> word. i'm on your side, so to say,
> i.e. i'm on the side of the Light.
>
> it seems that a spy from the Dark side
> maybe amongst us.
>
> i'm not sure, though...
>
> anyway, i'm just trying to be carefull.
>
> I have some questions that I know
> you are capable of answering, it seems.
>
> is it ok to ask?
>
> in the Light of the Star Wisdom,
>
> Arma
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova
Yahoo! Mail
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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File - Debunking Proscribed from P4C Forum


hello. i've just received the above moderator's file.
i'd like to state for the record that i'm not a debunker.

some people may feel uncomfortable when asked to present
even a shred of anything close to any supporting evidence
of any kind other than the utterly baseless claims
they shamlessly make. so, if according to your definition
i'm a debunker then i suppose you'd expect me to have blind
faith in everything you say, wouldn't you?


i'd be very interested to know what are the approved limits
of healthy, reasonable scepticism here?

it might seem that when somebody has no answer
to important question, they would be tempted
to accuse the person asking of being a debunker.
it seems i've heard about it before happening somewhere else?

if there is no valid basis for a claim,
than i'd simply call it "baseless", wouldn't you?

let me make my intentions clear for you.
the reason i ask for supporting evidence
is to better understand the heart of the matter.
is that allright?

i would be surprized to discover the all the ET's technology,
and all their spiritual and other achivements
are merely based on their blind faith alone!


granted, not everything is black-and-white,
and i do not demand strictly scientific proofs
because due to self-imposed limitations
western Science by definition rejects and denies existence
of wide range of phenomena that find empirical
supporting evidence otherwise.

> > i'd like to say i'm not a sceptic,
> > i'm a "believer" for a lack of better
> > word. i'm on your side, so to say,
> > i.e. i'm on the side of the Light.
> > Arma





>
>
> one of my questions is about:
>
> Councillor of/for Earth - A Role Description
>  http://www.drboylan.com/coedescription.html
>
>
>
> it seemed I could not find any substantiating evidence
> that supports the above claim. do you know of any?
> has this been somehow validated? any known attempts to do so?
>
>
> thank you for your help.
>
> arma
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Arma Geddon <armageddoniscommin@> ha scritto:
> >           Hello,
> > my name is Arma,
> > this is my homepage:
> >
> > www.geocities.com/armageddoniscommin
> >
> > it will tell you some things about me,
> > but not the vast majority of them, though.
> >
> > i'd like to say i'm not a sceptic,
> > i'm a "believer" for a lack of better
> > word. i'm on your side, so to say,
> > i.e. i'm on the side of the Light.
> >
> > it seems that a spy from the Dark side
> > maybe amongst us.
> >
> > i'm not sure, though...
> >
> > anyway, i'm just trying to be carefull.
> >
> > I have some questions that I know
> > you are capable of answering, it seems.
> >
> > is it ok to ask?
> >
> > in the Light of the Star Wisdom,
> >
> > Arma
> >
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