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Diagram of the Trompe / Bubble pump air compressor heat engine   Message List  
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Re: [pulserpump] Re:the Trompe / Bubble pump air compressor heat engine, per diagram

> Ask the designer/author why if it is such a wonderful
> machine that he has not built one to demonstrate its viability.

It is a design project, not a working machine. Do you doubt it would
work given a larger deltaT? (just curious about where your objections
lie).

> Advocacy talk is cheap, a genuine working example is hard to refute.

This is not advocacy. This is scientific curiosity and imagination. Why
can't a machine use the available temperature differences? Are you
really sure one can't be designed that works? There is no fundamental
principle preventing it. A typical design (no doubt including this one)
fails because of _avoidable_ losses, not theoretically unavoidable effects.

The trick is to figure out a way to avoid the losses without incurring other
losses in exchange.

> The bubble pump air compressor described in posts 41 & 42 incorporate
> some of the ideas of the hydraulic air compressor at Ragged Chutes but
> is an entirely different beast supposed to run on diurnal fluctuations
> of ambient air temperature. It will never go!
>

The diurnal fluctuations are a _design goal_, not a statement that this design
actually works. Nowhere is it stated that the design works such low delta T.
So your news is no news at all.

The goal is to think about various machines and learn where they go wrong.
In the case of the bubble pump / trompe, the problem is that the bubbles need
to be very tiny so that they move with the water. But such tiny bubbles take a
long time to separate from the water when this is needed.

If you use larger bubbles, a larger delta T is needed because of losses due to
bubbles lagging behing the water in the trompe and leading the water in the
bubble pump.





Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:39 am

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See article here: http://renewableenergy.wikia.com/wiki/TrombePump Thanks for looking and I look forward to comments and questions. -- Archimerged...
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Jul 1, 2006
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List: The "Trompe/Bubble pump air compressor heat engine" is a figment of the imagination and cannot work at all in any way as proposed and "explained." Ask...
stanhbaker
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Sep 16, 2006
10:00 pm

nice to see some post in this group i remember seeing a mention about such a pump being used to ventilate a mine on a very very large scale .. using a pulser...
peekay
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Sep 18, 2006
7:32 am

... Your are refering to something like the Ragged Chutes Hydraulic Air Compressor on the Montreal River in Canada. It is described in some detail at: ...
stanhbaker
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Sep 23, 2006
1:15 am

... It is a design project, not a working machine. Do you doubt it would work given a larger deltaT? (just curious about where your objections lie). ... This...
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Sep 23, 2006
5:31 pm

Just wondering if you have factored in energy losses in the tromp and bubble pump due to turbelence? And the different densitys of the hot and cold water and...
Brian White
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Sep 25, 2006
7:47 am

Mainly I was trying to figure out ahead of time if it would be worth building one and seeing if it works. Turbulent flow needs to be avoided by using large...
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