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#5110 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:35 am
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		meet_simon
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I think it's safe to assume that a whole lot of us will be at the IndicThreads conference on 11-12th

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Mahesh Sharma <mr.maheshsharma@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

+0 from me!

Missed the topic :( Got very minimalistic internet access ATM.
How about using the word "Role" instead of designation?
We can have someone as a co-ordinator who will represent Pune-Java
whenever need arises.

We should meet and discuss more over this !

@Saager, can we postpone it to 12th December? I have exams till 9th.

--
With Regards,
Mahesh Sharma
Fourth Year(Senior Year)
Computer Engineering,
Pune Institute of Computer Technology.
+919422079957,+919730449106




--
Saager Mhatre

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#5109 From: Mahesh Sharma <mr.maheshsharma@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		talktome_178
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Hi,

+0 from me!

Missed the topic :( Got very minimalistic internet access ATM.
How about using the word "Role" instead of designation?
We can have someone as a co-ordinator who will represent Pune-Java
whenever need arises.

We should meet and discuss more over this !

@Saager, can we postpone it to 12th December? I have exams till 9th.

--
With Regards,
Mahesh Sharma
Fourth Year(Senior Year)
Computer  Engineering,
Pune Institute of Computer Technology.
+919422079957,+919730449106

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#5108 From: "Ashish Kulkarni" <ashishkulkarni@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:45 am
Subject: RE: [Pune-Java] Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		ashishkulkar...
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Hi Saager,
 
I will get you to become a Moderator of Pune-Java. Thanks for offering.
 
Can you please organise the next meeting?
 
Please publish a rough agenda, date and time.
 
Best Regards,
 
Ashish.

From: pune-java@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pune-java@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Saager Mhatre
Sent: 20 November 2009 13:35
To: pune-java@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group

 

My offer to host a meet on the 5th of December still stands. Could one of the mods please set up a poll on our Y! Groups group to register their intent to attend? Or make me a mod so that I could do that? :P
Thanks

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM, ashishkulkarni_uk <ashishkulkarni@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

Hi Harshad,

As you can see, vast majority are opposed to the idea. And if we push something that the vast majority are opposed to, we end up alienating the majority.

As the current group owner, I would not be in favour of that.

I can see where you are coming from with regards to accountability. Yes, there needs to be some accountability.

For approaching companies for freebies, we can simply mention that their brand will be displayed by over a 1000 people. Are they interested in such free publicity? I am sure most businesses will jump at such an opportunity.

What I can say from my experience is that if people get something out of a group, they are more likely to put something back in.

I heard someone was looking to organise meetings. Can we start the process with kicking off the first meeting please?

I would like people to discuss how they want to take the group forward. I am happy to nominate one person in-charge of organising the meetings. And one more person can take on the task of maintaining the online content at www.pune-java.com.

Any volunteers?

Best Regards,

Ashish.



--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your participation in this discussion.
>
> @Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and
> after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet
> in Dec.
>
> I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely
> to sustain beyond 4-6 months.
>
> I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like
> the the office bearers will be heading BCCI and would have crores at their
> disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot
> of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they
> also give a tiny boost to their resumes.
>
> If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts,
> free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is 'President
> - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.
>
> I think the people driving the thing will get lot more done if they have
> designations. A very important point to note is that the office bearers will
> become accountable to the community.
>




--
Saager Mhatre


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#5107 From: priyankomnipotent@...
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:11 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		priyank_omni...
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Hey,

We could start calling for ideas in terms of reviving Pune Java meet.

From my previous UG experiences, I think UG's want 'Gyan' and some time to chit-chat on a 'Particular technology', kind of a BOF. I guess we could start with the Java Group and consider everyone's take on this. The best way to go about it is, have the first meet discuss the roadmap, and this way we could have a community view on 'how to shape it'.

Through this, we know the community and we know what's in store for coming month's as we can pick 2 speakers (1 confirmed and 1 backup) for every month.

Regarding the date, i guess 5th Dec is ok, but we also have Clubhack on the very same day, which should not affect the meet as they are separate domain all together.

Cheers,
Priyank



On Nov 21, 2009 9:52am, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey, Where did that come from??? Do you really think this is about me wanting to be President Pune Java? ROTF
> I dread that there might be others thinking on similar lines. Also as we are nowhere near consensus, pushing for a majority based decision anyway seems improper. So I would like to humbly withdraw my call for a vote. Thank you all for your comments participation.
>
>
>
> Ok... So now that the vote committee thing is out of the way, what next?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Ashish Kulkarni ashishkulkarni@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Harshad,
>
>  
>
> I am not sure what this voting is for. If it is to setup
> designations, my firm belief is that these are just for vanity and are not going
> to serve any real purpose. But if you want to be called the President of
> Pune-Java and it makes you happy, go for it.
>
>  
>
> Hi Saager,
>
>  
>
> Please feel free to kick-off meetings and do let me know if
> you need any help.
>
>  
>
> Dear all,
>
>  
>
> Are there any members in UK running a business and looking for
> help with their business? If so, please contact me.
>
>  
>
> Best Regards,
>
>  
>
> Ashish.
>
>
>
>
> From: pune-java@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:pune-java@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harshad
> Oak
>
> Sent: 20 November 2009 18:37
> To:
> pune-java@yahoogroups.com; JavaPune@googlegroups.com;
> Pune-Java@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: Charting The
> Future Of The Pune Java User Group
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
>
> Have shared a page with the current vote count. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tPzF6Yqz41Da-ODoGTt7c7A&single=true&gid=0&output=html
>
>
>
>
>
> Please note that there are votes on javapune@googlegroups as
> well. 
>
>
>
>
> The current standing is Plus 5 Minus 4. Not sure if Navin's
> vote is a plus or minus. 
>
>
>
>
> Let the vote run till maybe Monday end of day and then let's take a call. 9
> votes is anyway a paltry figure for a group of 1000. Our voting % are even worse
> than the recent state elections :-)
>
>
>
>
> If we are not having a committee, there are a lot of topics we need to
> discuss. Perhaps starting with which web group / forum to create/keep
> which ones will terminate / redirect to the main group.  Who would own
>  / moderate etc.
>
>
>
>
> My current status is -
>
> 1) Moderator pune-java @yahoo (Moderators on yahoo have surprisingly few
> rights apart from message approval). 
>
> 2) Owner javapune@googlegroups 
>
>
>
>
> @Saager - IMHO, if guilt were to lead to action, with over a 1000
> guilty on board, the Pune JUG should never have gone inactive. I think that
> many regret that Pune does not have an active JUG but very very few have the
> time enthusiasm to contribute to the activity. 
>
>
>
>
> I would be happy if the JUG were to thrive, with committee or no committee.
> It's just that IMHO and based on past experiences; I believe that without a
> driving force, it won't sustain. 
>
>
>
>
> - Harshad
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Saager Mhatre saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Harshad Oak harshad.lists@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> @Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets
> and after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a
> meet in Dec.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You're welcome :)
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is
> unlikely to sustain beyond 4-6
> months. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I disagree. I've been to a few
> bosug, bojug bfpug meets and they do just fine without managerial
> structure.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not
> like the the office bearers will be heading  BCCI and would have crores
> at their disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so
> that a lot of people will get an opportunity to learn drive a
> community, while they also give a tiny boost to their
> resumes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Just my $0.02 of pop-psy, but I believe that designations shift
> guilt. Right now, about 200 Java users in the city are guilty about not having
> organized a meet; once you designate 4 people to be responsible for this, the
> remaining 196 have less of a reason to feel guilty.
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free
> tshirts, free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is
>  'President - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from
> Pune'.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not really, most of this comes through personal contacts. TW Pune
> ended up hosting the OSDG, Ruby FunDay and several BarCamps out of people
> having met individual TWers and kept in touch with them.
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A very important point to note is that the office bearers will become
> accountable to the
> community.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IMHO, it works better when each
> one of us feels individually accountable to the
> community.
>
>
>
> Having personally helped organize several events
> at ThoughtWorks (both internal and external), I understand why you feel the
> need to impose specific accountability, but I've seen those structures fail
> all too often.
>
> Parting note:
> I've seen Conway's Law prove its case
> so many times that I don't shy away from using it as a guideline.
> So if we,
> as a community, do choose to appoint a committee to manage this group, I'll be
> seriously disappointed.
>
> -- 
> Saager Mhatre
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM, ashishkulkarni_uk
> ashishkulkarni@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi Harshad,
>
>
>
>
>
> As you can see, vast majority are opposed to the idea. And if we push
> something that the vast majority are opposed to, we end up alienating the
> majority.
>
> As the current group owner, I would not be in favour of
> that.
>
> I can see where you are coming from with regards to
> accountability. Yes, there needs to be some accountability.
>
> For
> approaching companies for freebies, we can simply mention that their brand
> will be displayed by over a 1000 people. Are they interested in such free
> publicity? I am sure most businesses will jump at such an
> opportunity.
>
> What I can say from my experience is that if people get
> something out of a group, they are more likely to put something back
> in.
>
> I heard someone was looking to organise meetings. Can we start the
> process with kicking off the first meeting please?
>
> I would like people
> to discuss how they want to take the group forward. I am happy to nominate one
> person in-charge of organising the meetings. And one more person can take on
> the task of maintaining the online content at www.pune-java.com.
>
> Any volunteers?
>
> Best
> Regards,
>
> Ashish.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Harshad Oak
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you all for your
> participation in this discussion.
> >
> > @Saager - I am fine with
> creating a committee after a couple of meets and
> > after we have put
> some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet
> > in
> Dec.
> >
> > I believe that unless there is a core team driving the
> thing, it is unlikely
> > to sustain beyond 4-6 months.
> >
> > I
> don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not
> like
> > the the office bearers will be heading BCCI and would have crores
> at their
> > disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year
> so that a lot
> > of people will get an opportunity to learn drive a
> community, while they
> > also give a tiny boost to their resumes.
> >
>
> > If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free
> tshirts,
> > free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he
> is 'President
> > - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from
> Pune'.
> >
> > I think the people driving the thing will get lot more
> done if they have
> > designations. A very important point to note is that
> the office bearers will
> > become accountable to the
> community.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ashish Kulkarni
>
> E-Business Software Solutions Ltd.
>
>
> http://www.ebizss.com
>
> http://www.ashishkulkarni.com
>
> http://www.scottishtechnologies.com
>
> http://www.sapforbusiness.com
>
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#5106 From: Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:22 am
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		harshadoak
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Hey, Where did that come from??? Do you really think this is about me wanting to be President Pune Java? ROTF

I dread that there might be others thinking on similar lines. Also as we are nowhere near consensus, pushing for a majority based decision anyway seems improper. So I would like to humbly withdraw my call for a vote. Thank you all for your comments & participation.

Ok... So now that the vote & committee thing is out of the way, what next?


On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Ashish Kulkarni <ashishkulkarni@...> wrote:
Hi Harshad,
 
I am not sure what this voting is for. If it is to setup designations, my firm belief is that these are just for vanity and are not going to serve any real purpose. But if you want to be called the President of Pune-Java and it makes you happy, go for it.
 
Hi Saager,
 
Please feel free to kick-off meetings and do let me know if you need any help.
 
Dear all,
 
Are there any members in UK running a business and looking for help with their business? If so, please contact me.
 
Best Regards,
 
Ashish.

From: pune-java@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pune-java@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harshad Oak
Sent: 20 November 2009 18:37
To: pune-java@yahoogroups.com; JavaPune@googlegroups.com; Pune-Java@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group

 

Hi,


Please note that there are votes on javapune@googlegroups as well. 

The current standing is Plus 5 & Minus 4. Not sure if Navin's vote is a plus or minus. 

Let the vote run till maybe Monday end of day and then let's take a call. 9 votes is anyway a paltry figure for a group of 1000. Our voting % are even worse than the recent state elections :-)

If we are not having a committee, there are a lot of topics we need to discuss. Perhaps starting with which web group / forum to create/keep & which ones will terminate / redirect to the main group.  Who would own  / moderate etc.

My current status is -
1) Moderator pune-java @yahoo (Moderators on yahoo have surprisingly few rights apart from message approval). 
2) Owner javapune@googlegroups 

@Saager - IMHO, if guilt were to lead to action, with over a 1000 guilty on board, the Pune JUG should never have gone inactive. I think that many regret that Pune does not have an active JUG but very very few have the time & enthusiasm to contribute to the activity. 

I would be happy if the JUG were to thrive, with committee or no committee. It's just that IMHO and based on past experiences; I believe that without a driving force, it won't sustain. 

- Harshad

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
@Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet in Dec.

You're welcome :)
 
I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely to sustain beyond 4-6 months. 

I disagree. I've been to a few bosug, bojug & bfpug meets and they do just fine without managerial structure.

I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like the the office bearers will be heading  BCCI and would have crores at their disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they also give a tiny boost to their resumes.

Just my $0.02 of pop-psy, but I believe that designations shift guilt. Right now, about 200 Java users in the city are guilty about not having organized a meet; once you designate 4 people to be responsible for this, the remaining 196 have less of a reason to feel guilty.
 
If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts, free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is  'President - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.

Not really, most of this comes through personal contacts. TW Pune ended up hosting the OSDG, Ruby FunDay and several BarCamps out of people having met individual TWers and kept in touch with them.
 
A very important point to note is that the office bearers will become accountable to the community.

IMHO, it works better when each one of us feels individually accountable to the community.

Having personally helped organize several events at ThoughtWorks (both internal and external), I understand why you feel the need to impose specific accountability, but I've seen those structures fail all too often.

Parting note:
I've seen Conway's Law prove its case so many times that I don't shy away from using it as a guideline.
So if we, as a community, do choose to appoint a committee to manage this group, I'll be seriously disappointed.

-- 
Saager Mhatre


On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM, ashishkulkarni_uk <ashishkulkarni@...> wrote:
 Hi Harshad,


As you can see, vast majority are opposed to the idea. And if we push something that the vast majority are opposed to, we end up alienating the majority.

As the current group owner, I would not be in favour of that.

I can see where you are coming from with regards to accountability. Yes, there needs to be some accountability.

For approaching companies for freebies, we can simply mention that their brand will be displayed by over a 1000 people. Are they interested in such free publicity? I am sure most businesses will jump at such an opportunity.

What I can say from my experience is that if people get something out of a group, they are more likely to put something back in.

I heard someone was looking to organise meetings. Can we start the process with kicking off the first meeting please?

I would like people to discuss how they want to take the group forward. I am happy to nominate one person in-charge of organising the meetings. And one more person can take on the task of maintaining the online content at www.pune-java.com.

Any volunteers?

Best Regards,

Ashish.



--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your participation in this discussion.
>
> @Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and
> after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet
> in Dec.
>
> I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely
> to sustain beyond 4-6 months.
>
> I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like
> the the office bearers will be heading BCCI and would have crores at their
> disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot
> of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they
> also give a tiny boost to their resumes.
>
> If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts,
> free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is 'President
> - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.
>
> I think the people driving the thing will get lot more done if they have
> designations. A very important point to note is that the office bearers will
> become accountable to the community.
>


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#5105 From: Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		dnene
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Jumping in a little late on this one .. but here's my thoughts.

Activating and recharging the group : +100
Designations : Avoidable. Makes sense to go with the decision being made based on the preferences of the people who are ready to commit time, energy and effort to the activity. However I don't believe a designation is required or makes things easier (even for getting CDs, TShirts etc.) or that designation encourages either commitment or accountability. Having said that there is already a precedence where the List Administrator (for the yahoogroup) identifies one person different from everyone else and allows URLs to be inserted at the end of each mail in the mailing list. So that makes the case to treat everyone equally and not have designations and privileges a little harder ??

Dhananjay
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
 

Thank you all for your participation in this discussion.

@Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet in Dec.

I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely to sustain beyond 4-6 months. 

I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like the the office bearers will be heading  BCCI and would have crores at their disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they also give a tiny boost to their resumes.

If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts, free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is  'President - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'. 

I think the people driving the thing will get lot more done if they have designations. A very important point to note is that the office bearers will become accountable to the community. 




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#5104 From: "Ashish Kulkarni" <ashishkulkarni@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:41 pm
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Hi Harshad,
 
I am not sure what this voting is for. If it is to setup designations, my firm belief is that these are just for vanity and are not going to serve any real purpose. But if you want to be called the President of Pune-Java and it makes you happy, go for it.
 
Hi Saager,
 
Please feel free to kick-off meetings and do let me know if you need any help.
 
Dear all,
 
Are there any members in UK running a business and looking for help with their business? If so, please contact me.
 
Best Regards,
 
Ashish.

From: pune-java@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pune-java@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harshad Oak
Sent: 20 November 2009 18:37
To: pune-java@yahoogroups.com; JavaPune@googlegroups.com; Pune-Java@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group

 

Hi,


Please note that there are votes on javapune@googlegroups as well. 

The current standing is Plus 5 & Minus 4. Not sure if Navin's vote is a plus or minus. 

Let the vote run till maybe Monday end of day and then let's take a call. 9 votes is anyway a paltry figure for a group of 1000. Our voting % are even worse than the recent state elections :-)

If we are not having a committee, there are a lot of topics we need to discuss. Perhaps starting with which web group / forum to create/keep & which ones will terminate / redirect to the main group.  Who would own  / moderate etc.

My current status is -
1) Moderator pune-java @yahoo (Moderators on yahoo have surprisingly few rights apart from message approval). 
2) Owner javapune@googlegroups 

@Saager - IMHO, if guilt were to lead to action, with over a 1000 guilty on board, the Pune JUG should never have gone inactive. I think that many regret that Pune does not have an active JUG but very very few have the time & enthusiasm to contribute to the activity. 

I would be happy if the JUG were to thrive, with committee or no committee. It's just that IMHO and based on past experiences; I believe that without a driving force, it won't sustain. 

- Harshad

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@gmail.com> wrote:
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet in Dec.

You're welcome :)
 
I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely to sustain beyond 4-6 months. 

I disagree. I've been to a few bosug, bojug & bfpug meets and they do just fine without managerial structure.

I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like the the office bearers will be heading  BCCI and would have crores at their disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they also give a tiny boost to their resumes.

Just my $0.02 of pop-psy, but I believe that designations shift guilt. Right now, about 200 Java users in the city are guilty about not having organized a meet; once you designate 4 people to be responsible for this, the remaining 196 have less of a reason to feel guilty.
 
If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts, free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is  'President - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.

Not really, most of this comes through personal contacts. TW Pune ended up hosting the OSDG, Ruby FunDay and several BarCamps out of people having met individual TWers and kept in touch with them.
 
A very important point to note is that the office bearers will become accountable to the community.

IMHO, it works better when each one of us feels individually accountable to the community.

Having personally helped organize several events at ThoughtWorks (both internal and external), I understand why you feel the need to impose specific accountability, but I've seen those structures fail all too often.

Parting note:
I've seen Conway's Law prove its case so many times that I don't shy away from using it as a guideline.
So if we, as a community, do choose to appoint a committee to manage this group, I'll be seriously disappointed.

-- 
Saager Mhatre


On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM, ashishkulkarni_uk <ashishkulkarni@hotmail.com> wrote:
 Hi Harshad,


As you can see, vast majority are opposed to the idea. And if we push something that the vast majority are opposed to, we end up alienating the majority.

As the current group owner, I would not be in favour of that.

I can see where you are coming from with regards to accountability. Yes, there needs to be some accountability.

For approaching companies for freebies, we can simply mention that their brand will be displayed by over a 1000 people. Are they interested in such free publicity? I am sure most businesses will jump at such an opportunity.

What I can say from my experience is that if people get something out of a group, they are more likely to put something back in.

I heard someone was looking to organise meetings. Can we start the process with kicking off the first meeting please?

I would like people to discuss how they want to take the group forward. I am happy to nominate one person in-charge of organising the meetings. And one more person can take on the task of maintaining the online content at www.pune-java.com.

Any volunteers?

Best Regards,

Ashish.



--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your participation in this discussion.
>
> @Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and
> after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet
> in Dec.
>
> I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely
> to sustain beyond 4-6 months.
>
> I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like
> the the office bearers will be heading BCCI and would have crores at their
> disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot
> of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they
> also give a tiny boost to their resumes.
>
> If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts,
> free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is 'President
> - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.
>
> I think the people driving the thing will get lot more done if they have
> designations. A very important point to note is that the office bearers will
> become accountable to the community.
>



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#5103 From: Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:36 pm
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Hi,


Please note that there are votes on javapune@googlegroups as well. 

The current standing is Plus 5 & Minus 4. Not sure if Navin's vote is a plus or minus. 

Let the vote run till maybe Monday end of day and then let's take a call. 9 votes is anyway a paltry figure for a group of 1000. Our voting % are even worse than the recent state elections :-)

If we are not having a committee, there are a lot of topics we need to discuss. Perhaps starting with which web group / forum to create/keep & which ones will terminate / redirect to the main group.  Who would own  / moderate etc.

My current status is -
1) Moderator pune-java @yahoo (Moderators on yahoo have surprisingly few rights apart from message approval). 
2) Owner javapune@googlegroups 

@Saager - IMHO, if guilt were to lead to action, with over a 1000 guilty on board, the Pune JUG should never have gone inactive. I think that many regret that Pune does not have an active JUG but very very few have the time & enthusiasm to contribute to the activity. 

I would be happy if the JUG were to thrive, with committee or no committee. It's just that IMHO and based on past experiences; I believe that without a driving force, it won't sustain. 

- Harshad

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
@Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet in Dec.

You're welcome :)
 
I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely to sustain beyond 4-6 months. 

I disagree. I've been to a few bosug, bojug & bfpug meets and they do just fine without managerial structure.

I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like the the office bearers will be heading  BCCI and would have crores at their disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they also give a tiny boost to their resumes.

Just my $0.02 of pop-psy, but I believe that designations shift guilt. Right now, about 200 Java users in the city are guilty about not having organized a meet; once you designate 4 people to be responsible for this, the remaining 196 have less of a reason to feel guilty.
 
If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts, free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is  'President - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.

Not really, most of this comes through personal contacts. TW Pune ended up hosting the OSDG, Ruby FunDay and several BarCamps out of people having met individual TWers and kept in touch with them.
 
A very important point to note is that the office bearers will become accountable to the community.

IMHO, it works better when each one of us feels individually accountable to the community.

Having personally helped organize several events at ThoughtWorks (both internal and external), I understand why you feel the need to impose specific accountability, but I've seen those structures fail all too often.

Parting note:
I've seen Conway's Law prove its case so many times that I don't shy away from using it as a guideline.
So if we, as a community, do choose to appoint a committee to manage this group, I'll be seriously disappointed.

-- 
Saager Mhatre


On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM, ashishkulkarni_uk <ashishkulkarni@...> wrote:
 Hi Harshad,


As you can see, vast majority are opposed to the idea. And if we push something that the vast majority are opposed to, we end up alienating the majority.

As the current group owner, I would not be in favour of that.

I can see where you are coming from with regards to accountability. Yes, there needs to be some accountability.

For approaching companies for freebies, we can simply mention that their brand will be displayed by over a 1000 people. Are they interested in such free publicity? I am sure most businesses will jump at such an opportunity.

What I can say from my experience is that if people get something out of a group, they are more likely to put something back in.

I heard someone was looking to organise meetings. Can we start the process with kicking off the first meeting please?

I would like people to discuss how they want to take the group forward. I am happy to nominate one person in-charge of organising the meetings. And one more person can take on the task of maintaining the online content at www.pune-java.com.

Any volunteers?

Best Regards,

Ashish.



--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your participation in this discussion.
>
> @Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and
> after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet
> in Dec.
>
> I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely
> to sustain beyond 4-6 months.
>
> I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like
> the the office bearers will be heading BCCI and would have crores at their
> disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot
> of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they
> also give a tiny boost to their resumes.
>
> If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts,
> free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is 'President
> - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.
>
> I think the people driving the thing will get lot more done if they have
> designations. A very important point to note is that the office bearers will
> become accountable to the community.
>



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#5102 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:34 pm
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My offer to host a meet on the 5th of December still stands. Could one of the mods please set up a poll on our Y! Groups group to register their intent to attend? Or make me a mod so that I could do that? :P
Thanks

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:54 PM, ashishkulkarni_uk <ashishkulkarni@...> wrote:
 

Hi Harshad,

As you can see, vast majority are opposed to the idea. And if we push something that the vast majority are opposed to, we end up alienating the majority.

As the current group owner, I would not be in favour of that.

I can see where you are coming from with regards to accountability. Yes, there needs to be some accountability.

For approaching companies for freebies, we can simply mention that their brand will be displayed by over a 1000 people. Are they interested in such free publicity? I am sure most businesses will jump at such an opportunity.

What I can say from my experience is that if people get something out of a group, they are more likely to put something back in.

I heard someone was looking to organise meetings. Can we start the process with kicking off the first meeting please?

I would like people to discuss how they want to take the group forward. I am happy to nominate one person in-charge of organising the meetings. And one more person can take on the task of maintaining the online content at www.pune-java.com.

Any volunteers?

Best Regards,

Ashish.



--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your participation in this discussion.
>
> @Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and
> after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet
> in Dec.
>
> I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely
> to sustain beyond 4-6 months.
>
> I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like
> the the office bearers will be heading BCCI and would have crores at their
> disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot
> of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they
> also give a tiny boost to their resumes.
>
> If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts,
> free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is 'President
> - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.
>
> I think the people driving the thing will get lot more done if they have
> designations. A very important point to note is that the office bearers will
> become accountable to the community.
>




--
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#5101 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:41 pm
Subject: Job postings on user group list (!) (was: [JOBS] For-Pune Java Developer (3-5 yrs.) with our client - a US based Software Product Company.) 		meet_simon
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I'm a little late joining this community, so I'll stop short of ranting; but, do we allow job posts on our *user* group mailing-list?
A quick search for '[JOBS]' on the yahoo groups shows about 700 posts, a good 13% of our posts(!) I couldn't get a sense of the time distribution 'cause Yahoo! Groups' message search is broken.

Nevertheless, I'm usually unappreciative of the practice, but that could be just me.
However, if the rest of the community doesn't mind it, I'll tolerate the noise and filter it out at my end.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Manisha,Talent Bricks <terrafirmajobs@...> wrote:
 

Do not hit reply button, reply to: terrafirmajobs@...
______________________________________________________

We have Java Developer (3-5 yrs.) with our client – an US based Software Product Company.

About Company: The company has their Pune based development centre, with a team of 20 developers. It is a product development company with big clients using their products, so they do not need developers in numbers as common services company needs to get revenue. The company earns revenue on license and IP rights.
The company is offering enriched learning environment, wide range of professional development tools, cutting edge technology with which would definitely help you to grow in your career. Salary is not a constraint for a potential candidate.

Job location: Kothrud, Pune

Qualification: Engineering Graduate/MCA or equivalent certificate course

Designation: Java Developer

Experience: 3-5 Yrs.

Skill sets:
• Core Java,
• DBMS(MS SQL),
• XML, Exposure to manufacturing IT systems like MES, SCADA and LIMS

Excellent written and verbal communication skills with strong analytical skills is a MUST.

Please refer your friends with the names and contact nos. or apply if you are interested in the above mentioned opening.

Contact details:
Manisha Fuge
Senior Executive Recruitments,
Talent Bricks HR Services Pvt. Ltd.
(Formerly known as ' Terra Firma ')
Email me at: manisha.fuge@...
Work: 91-020-65004355
Let’s connect@ Linkedin or Ning or yahoo group or google group
OnlineIM:Yahoo: manisha_terrafirma, Gtalk manishaf.terrafirma
_____________________________________________________
Job posted by: Talent Bricks




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#5100 From: "ashishkulkarni_uk" <ashishkulkarni@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		ashishkulkar...
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Hi Harshad,

As you can see, vast majority are opposed to the idea. And if we push something
that the vast majority are opposed to, we end up alienating the majority.

As the current group owner, I would not be in favour of that.

I can see where you are coming from with regards to accountability. Yes, there
needs to be some accountability.

For approaching companies for freebies, we can simply mention that their brand
will be displayed by over a 1000 people. Are they interested in such free
publicity? I am sure most businesses will jump at such an opportunity.

What I can say from my experience is that if people get something out of a
group, they are more likely to put something back in.

I heard someone was looking to organise meetings. Can we start the process with
kicking off the first meeting please?

I would like people to discuss how they want to take the group forward. I am
happy to nominate one person in-charge of organising the meetings. And one more
person can take on the task of maintaining the online content at
www.pune-java.com.

Any volunteers?

Best Regards,

Ashish.

--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your participation in this discussion.
>
> @Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and
> after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet
> in Dec.
>
> I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely
> to sustain beyond 4-6 months.
>
> I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like
> the the office bearers will be heading  BCCI and would have crores at their
> disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot
> of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they
> also give a tiny boost to their resumes.
>
> If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts,
> free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is  'President
> - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.
>
> I think the people driving the thing will get lot more done if they have
> designations. A very important point to note is that the office bearers will
> become accountable to the community.
>

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#5099 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		meet_simon
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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
@Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet in Dec.

You're welcome :)
 
I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely to sustain beyond 4-6 months. 

I disagree. I've been to a few bosug, bojug & bfpug meets and they do just fine without managerial structure.

I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like the the office bearers will be heading  BCCI and would have crores at their disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they also give a tiny boost to their resumes.

Just my $0.02 of pop-psy, but I believe that designations shift guilt. Right now, about 200 Java users in the city are guilty about not having organized a meet; once you designate 4 people to be responsible for this, the remaining 196 have less of a reason to feel guilty.
 
If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts, free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is  'President - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'.

Not really, most of this comes through personal contacts. TW Pune ended up hosting the OSDG, Ruby FunDay and several BarCamps out of people having met individual TWers and kept in touch with them.
 
A very important point to note is that the office bearers will become accountable to the community.

IMHO, it works better when each one of us feels individually accountable to the community.

Having personally helped organize several events at ThoughtWorks (both internal and external), I understand why you feel the need to impose specific accountability, but I've seen those structures fail all too often.

Parting note:
I've seen Conway's Law prove its case so many times that I don't shy away from using it as a guideline.
So if we, as a community, do choose to appoint a committee to manage this group, I'll be seriously disappointed.

--
Saager Mhatre

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#5098 From: Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		harshadoak
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Thank you all for your participation in this discussion.

@Saager - I am fine with creating a committee after a couple of meets and after we have put some faces to names. Thanks for the offer to host a meet in Dec.

I believe that unless there is a core team driving the thing, it is unlikely to sustain beyond 4-6 months. 

I don't quite understand why designations will be a problem. It's not like the the office bearers will be heading  BCCI and would have crores at their disposal. We can keep the office bearers term to just 1 year so that a lot of people will get an opportunity to learn & drive a community, while they also give a tiny boost to their resumes.

If one wants to contact a company for say space for a meet, free tshirts, free CDs ... or maybe the press, wouldn't it be easier if he is  'President - Pune Java' rather than 'A java developer from Pune'. 

I think the people driving the thing will get lot more done if they have designations. A very important point to note is that the office bearers will become accountable to the community. 


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#5097 From: "Manisha,Talent Bricks" <terrafirmajobs@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:28 am
Subject: [JOBS] For-Pune Java Developer (3-5 yrs.) with our client - a US based Software Product Company. 		terrafirmajobs
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Do not hit reply button, reply to: terrafirmajobs@...
______________________________________________________

We have Java Developer (3-5 yrs.) with our client – an US based Software Product
Company.

About Company: The company has their Pune based development centre, with a team
of 20 developers. It is a product development company with big clients using
their products, so they do not need developers in numbers as common services
company needs to get revenue. The company earns revenue on license and IP
rights.
The company is offering enriched learning environment, wide range of
professional development tools, cutting edge technology with which would
definitely help you to grow in your career. Salary is not a constraint for a
potential candidate.

Job location: Kothrud, Pune

Qualification: Engineering Graduate/MCA or equivalent certificate course

Designation: Java Developer

Experience: 3-5 Yrs.

Skill sets:
• Core Java,
• DBMS(MS SQL),
• XML, Exposure to manufacturing IT systems like MES, SCADA and LIMS

Excellent written and verbal communication skills with strong analytical skills
is a MUST.

Please refer your friends with the names and contact nos. or apply if you are
interested in the above mentioned opening.

Contact details:
Manisha Fuge
Senior Executive Recruitments,
Talent Bricks HR Services Pvt. Ltd.
(Formerly known as ' Terra Firma ')
Email me at: manisha.fuge@...
Work: 91-020-65004355
Let’s connect@ Linkedin or Ning or yahoo group or google group
OnlineIM:Yahoo: manisha_terrafirma, Gtalk manishaf.terrafirma
_____________________________________________________
Job posted by: Talent Bricks

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#5096 From: "Vipul Agarwal - Zend Consulting Services" <vipul@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:47 am
Subject: RE: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		avipul
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Dear All,
 
I am recruiter on this forum (did i hear some gasps) since its inception. Used to have good interaction with Satish in those years as I am from a technical background myself. My vote too is against the idea of designations. I am one of the founders and managers of a not-for-profit HR body where we are running the organization with some 8000 members without any designations. We are six founders of the group and all of us have divided some responsibilities informally amongst ourselves. What Ashish says resonates with me strongly.
 
Having said this, the idea itself is a very positive thought. For one, it got out a lot of people to respond on the group. There is a huge potential in the idea and I am ready to provide support in whatever way I can - though I am in Mumbai.
 
Lets not kill the idea of reviving of the group - the Pune IT community (professionals and employers) will benefit from it tremendously. We saw it earlier when there were organizations ready to host this groups meeting and organizations ready to provide product information. Once the community develops - there will be a potential to develop the members at no cost or minimal cost.
 
Lets go with it...
 
Vipul Agarwal
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: Ashish Kulkarni [mailto:ashishkulkarni@...]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:06 AM
To: pune-java@yahoogroups.com; pune-java@googlegroups.com; javapune@googlegroups.com; discuss@...; organizers@...
Cc: 'SatishTalim'
Subject: RE: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group

Hi guys,
 
Satish and I ran this group for a few years and we never got involved in having any such designations.
 
What is important to note is that we need to get some momentum back into the group.
 
Satish has moved to Ruby and although I do a lot of Java and other Open Source technologies, my major involvement is now in UK Java User Group and I also do a lot on Business Networking side now-a-days and work on helping businesses become successful.
 
And I am based in UK, so my input to the Pune-Java group is limited.
 
I still sponsor the websites of the group and provide any financial support needed by such group. But I am happy for someone else to take over.
 
I would, however, be very much opposed to the idea of designations. I would like volunteers instead. That is how we ran the group and that is how we would like it to continue. That was the original vision of both Satish and me.
 
What is important here is to realise that we are doing this to help people. Having designations like President and Vice President is going to be counter-productive for a user group.
 
This is my opinion.
 
Thanks to Harshad for starting this discussion. Now that we have got these emails flowing, I would recommend everyone to introduce themselves to the group.
 
I will start off.
 
I am Ashish Kulkarni. I am Director of Kulkarni Software Ltd. We create websites, web applications and bespoke software. Our clients are Small, Medium and Large Businesses based in UK.
 
Currently I am doing some work for J.P.Morgan and Chase Bank.
 
I am 38, married with a 12 year old son.
 
I stay in the historic city of Stirling in Scotland.
 
I use Java, Groovy and Scala. I also use a wide variety of other technologies.
 
 
I am very much involved with helping local businesses to network and become successful. One of the regular events I organise is http://www.meetup.com/Glasgow-Entrepreneur-Meetup
 
This group is not as big as Pune-Java. But is very active. And member are many different and interesting business people from Glasgow.
 
I am also member of many other Business Networking groups here in UK.
 
Thats a bit about me.
 
Please feel free to share about yourselves.
 
Best Regards,
 
Ashish.

From: pune-java@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pune-java@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harshad Oak
Sent: 19 November 2009 10:33
To: pune-java@googlegroups.com; pune-java@yahoogroups.com; javapune@googlegroups.com; discuss@...; organizers@...
Subject: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group

 

Dear Pune Java,

I have lately had several discussions with Java enthusiasts in Pune about how the Java community in the city is scattered and inactive and how it could be revived. 

The Pune JUG has been around for a very long time and various individuals have contributed to driving the JUG activities in the past. However the current state of affairs is pretty bad. Despite 1000s of passionate Java users in Pune, not even one mail appears on the Pune Java mailing lists every week. I do not see that as a waning of interest in Java but just that considering the inaction on PJUG, developers are using other forums.

I am sure most members on this group want a vibrant Java community in Pune. So thought why not put up a PJUG revival proposal up for voting on the entire group. 

I have dropped this mail to all the 4 Pune Java groups I am aware of. To the best of my knowledge, none of the groups are active.

Here's my proposal -

Let's elect an official Pune Java managing committee for 2009-2010. I am not suggesting that we create any complicated legal entities, but just a team that will be primarily responsible for Pune Java activities. 

Designations are important as they give credit for the voluntary work these guys would put in. The designations could be -
  1. President 
  2. Vice-president 
  3. Secretary 
  4. Student Representative
As a 1000 members would have as many or more ideas on what the JUG activities should be, let's not get into that at this time. It would really be up to the elected team to decide on activities in consultation with the group.

Vote on the proposal by just replying with the Apache voting convention -
  • +1 :   'Yes lets create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • -1 :    'No let's not create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • +0 :   'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
  • -0 :   'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.'
  • -0.5 :   'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification for my feelings.'
  • ++1 :   'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!'
  • -0.9 :   'I really don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
  • +0.9 :  'This is a cool idea and i like it, but I don't have time/the skills necessary to help out.'
Thanks,
Harshad


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#5095 From: Vinit Bhagwat <vinit_bhagwat@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:15 am
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		vinit_bhagwat
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Harshad,
 
First I want to thank Harshad for taking initiative in reviving this group.
 
I vote ++1.
 
I think by creating managing committee there will be some kind of ownership for
this group which will help getting some momentum back into the group.
 
Thanks and Regards,
 
Vinit Bhagwat

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:


From: Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...>
Subject: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group
To: pune-java@googlegroups.com, pune-java@yahoogroups.com,
javapune@googlegroups.com, discuss@...,
organizers@...
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 4:02 PM


 




Dear Pune Java,



I have lately had several discussions with Java enthusiasts in Pune about how
the Java community in the city is scattered and inactive and how it could be
revived. 


The Pune JUG has been around for a very long time and various individuals have
contributed to driving the JUG activities in the past. However the current state
of affairs is pretty bad. Despite 1000s of passionate Java users in Pune, not
even one mail appears on the Pune Java mailing lists every week. I do not see
that as a waning of interest in Java but just that considering the inaction on
PJUG, developers are using other forums.


I am sure most members on this group want a vibrant Java community in Pune. So
thought why not put up a PJUG revival proposal up for voting on the entire
group. 


I have dropped this mail to all the 4 Pune Java groups I am aware of. To the
best of my knowledge, none of the groups are active.


Here's my proposal -


Let's elect an official Pune Java managing committee for 2009-2010. I am not
suggesting that we create any complicated legal entities, but just a team that
will be primarily responsible for Pune Java activities. 

Designations are important as they give credit for the voluntary work these guys
would put in. The designations could be -


President 
Vice-president 
Secretary 
Student Representative

As a 1000 members would have as many or more ideas on what the JUG activities
should be, let's not get into that at this time. It would really be up to the
elected team to decide on activities in consultation with the group.


Vote on the proposal by just replying with the Apache voting convention -



+1 :   'Yes lets create a Pune Java managing committee'
-1 :    'No let's not create a Pune Java managing committee'
+0 :   'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
-0 :   'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.'
-0.5 :   'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification
for my feelings.'
++1 :   'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!'
-0.9 :   'I really don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if
everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
+0.9 :  'This is a cool idea and i like it, but I don't have time/the skills
necessary to help out.'
Thanks,
Harshad




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#5094 From: Navin Kabra <navin@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:16 am
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		ngkabra
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
 Since this community has been dormant for so long, I suggest we start by setting up a random series of small meet so that we can atleast meet face-to-face.

I'm willing to set up the first meet. I propose we meet at the ThoughtWorks office in Yerawada on 5th Dec.
It could serve as a nice precursor to IndicThreads where we can pre-discuss topics listed here => http://j09.indicthreads.com/sessions/



+1 to Harshad's idea that something needs to be done (but not necessarily to the designations)
+1 to Saager's idea of re-starting the meets

navin.
 


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#5093 From: "Ashish Kulkarni" <ashishkulkarni@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:36 am
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Hi guys,
 
Satish and I ran this group for a few years and we never got involved in having any such designations.
 
What is important to note is that we need to get some momentum back into the group.
 
Satish has moved to Ruby and although I do a lot of Java and other Open Source technologies, my major involvement is now in UK Java User Group and I also do a lot on Business Networking side now-a-days and work on helping businesses become successful.
 
And I am based in UK, so my input to the Pune-Java group is limited.
 
I still sponsor the websites of the group and provide any financial support needed by such group. But I am happy for someone else to take over.
 
I would, however, be very much opposed to the idea of designations. I would like volunteers instead. That is how we ran the group and that is how we would like it to continue. That was the original vision of both Satish and me.
 
What is important here is to realise that we are doing this to help people. Having designations like President and Vice President is going to be counter-productive for a user group.
 
This is my opinion.
 
Thanks to Harshad for starting this discussion. Now that we have got these emails flowing, I would recommend everyone to introduce themselves to the group.
 
I will start off.
 
I am Ashish Kulkarni. I am Director of Kulkarni Software Ltd. We create websites, web applications and bespoke software. Our clients are Small, Medium and Large Businesses based in UK.
 
Currently I am doing some work for J.P.Morgan and Chase Bank.
 
I am 38, married with a 12 year old son.
 
I stay in the historic city of Stirling in Scotland.
 
I use Java, Groovy and Scala. I also use a wide variety of other technologies.
 
 
I am very much involved with helping local businesses to network and become successful. One of the regular events I organise is http://www.meetup.com/Glasgow-Entrepreneur-Meetup
 
This group is not as big as Pune-Java. But is very active. And member are many different and interesting business people from Glasgow.
 
I am also member of many other Business Networking groups here in UK.
 
Thats a bit about me.
 
Please feel free to share about yourselves.
 
Best Regards,
 
Ashish.

From: pune-java@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pune-java@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harshad Oak
Sent: 19 November 2009 10:33
To: pune-java@googlegroups.com; pune-java@yahoogroups.com; javapune@googlegroups.com; discuss@...; organizers@...
Subject: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group

 

Dear Pune Java,

I have lately had several discussions with Java enthusiasts in Pune about how the Java community in the city is scattered and inactive and how it could be revived. 

The Pune JUG has been around for a very long time and various individuals have contributed to driving the JUG activities in the past. However the current state of affairs is pretty bad. Despite 1000s of passionate Java users in Pune, not even one mail appears on the Pune Java mailing lists every week. I do not see that as a waning of interest in Java but just that considering the inaction on PJUG, developers are using other forums.

I am sure most members on this group want a vibrant Java community in Pune. So thought why not put up a PJUG revival proposal up for voting on the entire group. 

I have dropped this mail to all the 4 Pune Java groups I am aware of. To the best of my knowledge, none of the groups are active.

Here's my proposal -

Let's elect an official Pune Java managing committee for 2009-2010. I am not suggesting that we create any complicated legal entities, but just a team that will be primarily responsible for Pune Java activities. 

Designations are important as they give credit for the voluntary work these guys would put in. The designations could be -
  1. President 
  2. Vice-president 
  3. Secretary 
  4. Student Representative
As a 1000 members would have as many or more ideas on what the JUG activities should be, let's not get into that at this time. It would really be up to the elected team to decide on activities in consultation with the group.

Vote on the proposal by just replying with the Apache voting convention -
  • +1 :   'Yes lets create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • -1 :    'No let's not create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • +0 :   'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
  • -0 :   'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.'
  • -0.5 :   'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification for my feelings.'
  • ++1 :   'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!'
  • -0.9 :   'I really don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
  • +0.9 :  'This is a cool idea and i like it, but I don't have time/the skills necessary to help out.'
Thanks,
Harshad


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Oracle ACE Director, Sun Java Champion
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#5091 From: Priyank Kapadia <priyankomnipotent@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:16 pm
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My views,

Designations

-1 as they have certain ego attached to them. We could recognize the volunteers/organizer's by have a brief about them on either popular site such as Indic Threads/Groups/Twitter etc. But I like the idea of Student representative a lot, very important for a UG to be successful.

As discussed several times, guess having schedule/speaker's for certain sessions at our disposal should be the highest priority. Can we have a group of 3-4 committed people who would initiate the session's and take interest in this? Once we have this in, we could pump in people from various sources and get the community talking, which i guess is not happening as we have too many events/meets/unconf's happening in Pune.



Cheers,
Priyank




On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
 

Dear Pune Java,

I have lately had several discussions with Java enthusiasts in Pune about how the Java community in the city is scattered and inactive and how it could be revived. 

The Pune JUG has been around for a very long time and various individuals have contributed to driving the JUG activities in the past. However the current state of affairs is pretty bad. Despite 1000s of passionate Java users in Pune, not even one mail appears on the Pune Java mailing lists every week. I do not see that as a waning of interest in Java but just that considering the inaction on PJUG, developers are using other forums.

I am sure most members on this group want a vibrant Java community in Pune. So thought why not put up a PJUG revival proposal up for voting on the entire group. 

I have dropped this mail to all the 4 Pune Java groups I am aware of. To the best of my knowledge, none of the groups are active.

Here's my proposal -

Let's elect an official Pune Java managing committee for 2009-2010. I am not suggesting that we create any complicated legal entities, but just a team that will be primarily responsible for Pune Java activities. 

Designations are important as they give credit for the voluntary work these guys would put in. The designations could be -
  1. President 
  2. Vice-president 
  3. Secretary 
  4. Student Representative
As a 1000 members would have as many or more ideas on what the JUG activities should be, let's not get into that at this time. It would really be up to the elected team to decide on activities in consultation with the group.

Vote on the proposal by just replying with the Apache voting convention -
  • +1 :   'Yes lets create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • -1 :    'No let's not create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • +0 :   'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
  • -0 :   'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.'
  • -0.5 :   'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification for my feelings.'
  • ++1 :   'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!'
  • -0.9 :   'I really don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
  • +0.9 :  'This is a cool idea and i like it, but I don't have time/the skills necessary to help out.'
Thanks,
Harshad


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Oracle ACE Director, Sun Java Champion
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#5090 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:23 pm
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Since this community has been dormant for so long, I suggest we start by setting up a random series of small meet so that we can atleast meet face-to-face.
I'm willing to set up the first meet. I propose we meet at the ThoughtWorks office in Yerawada on 5th Dec.
It could serve as a nice precursor to IndicThreads where we can pre-discuss topics listed here => http://j09.indicthreads.com/sessions/

This may be just me, but the idea of going straight to faceless body without having put faces to names just doesn't appeal to me.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
-1


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
 

Dear Pune Java,

I have lately had several discussions with Java enthusiasts in Pune about how the Java community in the city is scattered and inactive and how it could be revived. 

The Pune JUG has been around for a very long time and various individuals have contributed to driving the JUG activities in the past. However the current state of affairs is pretty bad. Despite 1000s of passionate Java users in Pune, not even one mail appears on the Pune Java mailing lists every week. I do not see that as a waning of interest in Java but just that considering the inaction on PJUG, developers are using other forums.

I am sure most members on this group want a vibrant Java community in Pune. So thought why not put up a PJUG revival proposal up for voting on the entire group. 

I have dropped this mail to all the 4 Pune Java groups I am aware of. To the best of my knowledge, none of the groups are active.

Here's my proposal -

Let's elect an official Pune Java managing committee for 2009-2010. I am not suggesting that we create any complicated legal entities, but just a team that will be primarily responsible for Pune Java activities. 

Designations are important as they give credit for the voluntary work these guys would put in. The designations could be -
  1. President 
  2. Vice-president 
  3. Secretary 
  4. Student Representative
As a 1000 members would have as many or more ideas on what the JUG activities should be, let's not get into that at this time. It would really be up to the elected team to decide on activities in consultation with the group.

Vote on the proposal by just replying with the Apache voting convention -
  • +1 :   'Yes lets create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • -1 :    'No let's not create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • +0 :   'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
  • -0 :   'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.'
  • -0.5 :   'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification for my feelings.'
  • ++1 :   'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!'
  • -0.9 :   'I really don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
  • +0.9 :  'This is a cool idea and i like it, but I don't have time/the skills necessary to help out.'
Thanks,
Harshad


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Oracle ACE Director, Sun Java Champion
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#5089 From: Sachin Patil <sachin.patil81@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:16 pm
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+1

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--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:

From: Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...>
Subject: [Pune-Java] Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group
To: pune-java@googlegroups.com, pune-java@yahoogroups.com, javapune@googlegroups.com, discuss@..., organizers@...
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:32 AM

 

Dear Pune Java,

I have lately had several discussions with Java enthusiasts in Pune about how the Java community in the city is scattered and inactive and how it could be revived. 

The Pune JUG has been around for a very long time and various individuals have contributed to driving the JUG activities in the past. However the current state of affairs is pretty bad. Despite 1000s of passionate Java users in Pune, not even one mail appears on the Pune Java mailing lists every week. I do not see that as a waning of interest in Java but just that considering the inaction on PJUG, developers are using other forums.

I am sure most members on this group want a vibrant Java community in Pune. So thought why not put up a PJUG revival proposal up for voting on the entire group. 

I have dropped this mail to all the 4 Pune Java groups I am aware of. To the best of my knowledge, none of the groups are active.

Here's my proposal -

Let's elect an official Pune Java managing committee for 2009-2010. I am not suggesting that we create any complicated legal entities, but just a team that will be primarily responsible for Pune Java activities. 

Designations are important as they give credit for the voluntary work these guys would put in. The designations could be -
  1. President 
  2. Vice-president 
  3. Secretary 
  4. Student Representative
As a 1000 members would have as many or more ideas on what the JUG activities should be, let's not get into that at this time. It would really be up to the elected team to decide on activities in consultation with the group.

Vote on the proposal by just replying with the Apache voting convention -
  • +1 :   'Yes lets create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • -1 :    'No let's not create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • +0 :   'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
  • -0 :   'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.'
  • -0.5 :   'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification for my feelings.'
  • ++1 :   'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!'
  • -0.9 :   'I really don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
  • +0.9 :  'This is a cool idea and i like it, but I don't have time/the skills necessary to help out.'
Thanks,
Harshad


---
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Oracle ACE Director, Sun Java Champion
+91-20-32907882 (o)
harshad @ rightrix . com

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#5088 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:17 pm
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-1

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...> wrote:
 

Dear Pune Java,

I have lately had several discussions with Java enthusiasts in Pune about how the Java community in the city is scattered and inactive and how it could be revived. 

The Pune JUG has been around for a very long time and various individuals have contributed to driving the JUG activities in the past. However the current state of affairs is pretty bad. Despite 1000s of passionate Java users in Pune, not even one mail appears on the Pune Java mailing lists every week. I do not see that as a waning of interest in Java but just that considering the inaction on PJUG, developers are using other forums.

I am sure most members on this group want a vibrant Java community in Pune. So thought why not put up a PJUG revival proposal up for voting on the entire group. 

I have dropped this mail to all the 4 Pune Java groups I am aware of. To the best of my knowledge, none of the groups are active.

Here's my proposal -

Let's elect an official Pune Java managing committee for 2009-2010. I am not suggesting that we create any complicated legal entities, but just a team that will be primarily responsible for Pune Java activities. 

Designations are important as they give credit for the voluntary work these guys would put in. The designations could be -
  1. President 
  2. Vice-president 
  3. Secretary 
  4. Student Representative
As a 1000 members would have as many or more ideas on what the JUG activities should be, let's not get into that at this time. It would really be up to the elected team to decide on activities in consultation with the group.

Vote on the proposal by just replying with the Apache voting convention -
  • +1 :   'Yes lets create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • -1 :    'No let's not create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • +0 :   'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
  • -0 :   'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.'
  • -0.5 :   'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification for my feelings.'
  • ++1 :   'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!'
  • -0.9 :   'I really don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
  • +0.9 :  'This is a cool idea and i like it, but I don't have time/the skills necessary to help out.'
Thanks,
Harshad


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#5087 From: Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:32 am
Subject: Charting The Future Of The Pune Java User Group 		harshadoak
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Dear Pune Java,

I have lately had several discussions with Java enthusiasts in Pune about how the Java community in the city is scattered and inactive and how it could be revived. 

The Pune JUG has been around for a very long time and various individuals have contributed to driving the JUG activities in the past. However the current state of affairs is pretty bad. Despite 1000s of passionate Java users in Pune, not even one mail appears on the Pune Java mailing lists every week. I do not see that as a waning of interest in Java but just that considering the inaction on PJUG, developers are using other forums.

I am sure most members on this group want a vibrant Java community in Pune. So thought why not put up a PJUG revival proposal up for voting on the entire group. 

I have dropped this mail to all the 4 Pune Java groups I am aware of. To the best of my knowledge, none of the groups are active.

Here's my proposal -

Let's elect an official Pune Java managing committee for 2009-2010. I am not suggesting that we create any complicated legal entities, but just a team that will be primarily responsible for Pune Java activities. 

Designations are important as they give credit for the voluntary work these guys would put in. The designations could be -
  1. President 
  2. Vice-president 
  3. Secretary 
  4. Student Representative
As a 1000 members would have as many or more ideas on what the JUG activities should be, let's not get into that at this time. It would really be up to the elected team to decide on activities in consultation with the group.

Vote on the proposal by just replying with the Apache voting convention -
  • +1 :   'Yes lets create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • -1 :    'No let's not create a Pune Java managing committee'
  • +0 :   'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
  • -0 :   'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.'
  • -0.5 :   'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification for my feelings.'
  • ++1 :   'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!'
  • -0.9 :   'I really don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
  • +0.9 :  'This is a cool idea and i like it, but I don't have time/the skills necessary to help out.'
Thanks,
Harshad


---
Founder - Rightrix Solutions, IndicThreads
Oracle ACE Director, Sun Java Champion
+91-20-32907882 (o)
harshad @ rightrix . com

Join me @ the 4th IndicThreads.com Conference On Java, Dec 11-12, Pune

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#5086 From: Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:45 am
Subject: [COMMERCIAL] Discounts and Quiz - 4th IndicThreads.com Conference On Java, Pune 		harshadoak
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Dear Pune Java members,

The 4th IndicThreads.com Conference On Java Tech will be held in Pune on 11-12 Dec 09. I believe we have a great line up of speakers & sessions this year. Please visit http://j09.IndicThreads.com for details.

I am writing to invite you to the conference. The conference is no fun without active participation from Pune developers & dev communities like Pune-Java. So I would like to extend a special 15% discount on individual registrations to Pune-Java members. 
You might also find the following of interest -
  1. Java Quiz - The book  'Coders At Work' is up for grabs.
  2. Blogger - Guru Passes for Conf 09
 I look forward to seeing you at the conference.

Thanks,
Harshad

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harshad @ rightrix.com
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#5085 From: Harshad Oak <harshad.lists@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:28 am
Subject: Sessions & Speakers @ 4th IndicTheads.com Conference On Java, Pune 		harshadoak
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Dear Pune-Java members,

Sessions & speakers for the 4th IndicThreads.com Conference On Java
Tech to be held in Pune on 11-12 Dec 09 are now up at
http://j09.IndicThreads.com .

Do have a look. Your feedback & suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
Harshad

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harshad @ rightrix.com

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#5084 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: JUG meet ? 		meet_simon
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unfortunately, even though i registered from this, i will not be able to attend as i will be in b'lore this weekend
but chandan jog from the pune TW office has volunteered to make this happen

you should hear from his soon on this list

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM, talktome_178 <mr.maheshsharma@...> wrote:
 

Finally here it is :)

http://punejug.eventbrite.com/

Please register and if anyone intrested in giving a talk, please ping me.

Saager is taking one, any other suggestions?



--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
>
> grooy/grails penetration in java shops
> scala penetration in java shops
> javafx and its potential
> ways to exploit jsr 223
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:21 PM, talktome_178 <mr.maheshsharma@...>wrote:

>
> >
> >
> > Well,
> > I had send this mail long back.
> > Mods please approve the mails fast :-)
> >
> > I was proposing for this weekend only ( Which was next weekend with respect
> > to last week, I guess on Thursday or so. Dont remember)
> >
> > I can ask for COEP, Wont be a problem, TW is fine too.
> >
> > Topic suggestions?
> >
> >
> > --- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com <pune-java%40yahoogroups.com>, Saager

> > Mhatre <saager.mhatre@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I could arrange for the ThoughtWorks Pune
> > > office<
> > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ThoughtWorks%2Bpune%2Bindia&ie=UTF8&hl=en&view=map&cid=1814146638862289421&hq=ThoughtWorks+pune+india&hnear=&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A
> > >.
> > > It's not exactly central, but we've got plenty of open space.
> > >
> > > As for the session, a discussion on promising new technologies running on
> > > JVM could fork quite a few future topics.
> > >
> > > And I second that we avoid Diwali weekend. The weekend after that sounds
> > > good.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Navin Kabra <navin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two suggestions:
> > > > 1. Don't keep the talk next weekend. That's Diwali, attendance will be
> > low.
> > > > 2. Also, I think, a more central venue might be better, PICT is too far
> > for
> > > > a number of folks. Can someone here get permission from COEP, or
> > Fergusson,
> > > > etc?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >> Though I am new to PuneJUG, I think it has been really long a meet has
> > > >> been organised anywhere.
> > > >> I would like to propose to have one on next weekend?
> > > >> I can get PICT's auditorium for the same.
> > > >>
> > > >> A nice-ice-breaking session for a new start?
> > > >>
> > > >> Chip in your thoughts and also let me know if you would like to give
> > any
> > > >> talk :)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Saager Mhatre
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Saager Mhatre
>




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#5083 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:37 am
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: JUG meet ? 		meet_simon
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why don't you go ahead and do one?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM, talktome_178 <mr.maheshsharma@...> wrote:
 

Finally here it is :)

http://punejug.eventbrite.com/

Please register and if anyone intrested in giving a talk, please ping me.

Saager is taking one, any other suggestions?



--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
>
> grooy/grails penetration in java shops
> scala penetration in java shops
> javafx and its potential
> ways to exploit jsr 223
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:21 PM, talktome_178 <mr.maheshsharma@...>wrote:

>
> >
> >
> > Well,
> > I had send this mail long back.
> > Mods please approve the mails fast :-)
> >
> > I was proposing for this weekend only ( Which was next weekend with respect
> > to last week, I guess on Thursday or so. Dont remember)
> >
> > I can ask for COEP, Wont be a problem, TW is fine too.
> >
> > Topic suggestions?
> >
> >
> > --- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com <pune-java%40yahoogroups.com>, Saager

> > Mhatre <saager.mhatre@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I could arrange for the ThoughtWorks Pune
> > > office<
> > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ThoughtWorks%2Bpune%2Bindia&ie=UTF8&hl=en&view=map&cid=1814146638862289421&hq=ThoughtWorks+pune+india&hnear=&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A
> > >.
> > > It's not exactly central, but we've got plenty of open space.
> > >
> > > As for the session, a discussion on promising new technologies running on
> > > JVM could fork quite a few future topics.
> > >
> > > And I second that we avoid Diwali weekend. The weekend after that sounds
> > > good.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Navin Kabra <navin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two suggestions:
> > > > 1. Don't keep the talk next weekend. That's Diwali, attendance will be
> > low.
> > > > 2. Also, I think, a more central venue might be better, PICT is too far
> > for
> > > > a number of folks. Can someone here get permission from COEP, or
> > Fergusson,
> > > > etc?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >> Though I am new to PuneJUG, I think it has been really long a meet has
> > > >> been organised anywhere.
> > > >> I would like to propose to have one on next weekend?
> > > >> I can get PICT's auditorium for the same.
> > > >>
> > > >> A nice-ice-breaking session for a new start?
> > > >>
> > > >> Chip in your thoughts and also let me know if you would like to give
> > any
> > > >> talk :)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Saager Mhatre
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Saager Mhatre
>




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#5082 From: "talktome_178" <mr.maheshsharma@...>
Date: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:34 pm
Subject: Re: JUG meet ? 		talktome_178
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Finally here it is :)

http://punejug.eventbrite.com/

Please register and if anyone intrested in giving a talk, please ping me.

Saager is taking one, any other suggestions?

--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
>
> grooy/grails penetration in java shops
> scala penetration in java shops
> javafx and its potential
> ways to exploit jsr 223
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:21 PM, talktome_178 <mr.maheshsharma@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Well,
> > I had send this mail long back.
> > Mods please approve the mails fast :-)
> >
> > I was proposing for this weekend only ( Which was next weekend with respect
> > to last week, I guess on Thursday or so. Dont remember)
> >
> > I can ask for COEP, Wont be a problem, TW is fine too.
> >
> > Topic suggestions?
> >
> >
> > --- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com <pune-java%40yahoogroups.com>, Saager
> > Mhatre <saager.mhatre@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I could arrange for the ThoughtWorks Pune
> > > office<
> >
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ThoughtWorks%2Bpune%2Bindia&ie=UTF8&hl=en&view=map\
&cid=1814146638862289421&hq=ThoughtWorks+pune+india&hnear=&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A
> > >.
> > > It's not exactly central, but we've got plenty of open space.
> > >
> > > As for the session, a discussion on promising new technologies running on
> > > JVM could fork quite a few future topics.
> > >
> > > And I second that we avoid Diwali weekend. The weekend after that sounds
> > > good.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Navin Kabra <navin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two suggestions:
> > > > 1. Don't keep the talk next weekend. That's Diwali, attendance will be
> > low.
> > > > 2. Also, I think, a more central venue might be better, PICT is too far
> > for
> > > > a number of folks. Can someone here get permission from COEP, or
> > Fergusson,
> > > > etc?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >> Though I am new to PuneJUG, I think it has been really long a meet has
> > > >> been organised anywhere.
> > > >> I would like to propose to have one on next weekend?
> > > >> I can get PICT's auditorium for the same.
> > > >>
> > > >> A nice-ice-breaking session for a new start?
> > > >>
> > > >> Chip in your thoughts and also let me know if you would like to give
> > any
> > > >> talk :)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Saager Mhatre
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Saager Mhatre
>

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#5081 From: Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...>
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Pune-Java] Re: JUG meet ? 		meet_simon
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grooy/grails penetration in java shops
scala penetration in java shops
javafx and its potential
ways to exploit jsr 223

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:21 PM, talktome_178 <mr.maheshsharma@...> wrote:
 

Well,
I had send this mail long back.
Mods please approve the mails fast :-)

I was proposing for this weekend only ( Which was next weekend with respect to last week, I guess on Thursday or so. Dont remember)

I can ask for COEP, Wont be a problem, TW is fine too.

Topic suggestions?



--- In pune-java@yahoogroups.com, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre@...> wrote:
>
> I could arrange for the ThoughtWorks Pune
> office<http://maps.google.com/maps?q=ThoughtWorks%2Bpune%2Bindia&ie=UTF8&hl=en&view=map&cid=1814146638862289421&hq=ThoughtWorks+pune+india&hnear=&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A>.

> It's not exactly central, but we've got plenty of open space.
>
> As for the session, a discussion on promising new technologies running on
> JVM could fork quite a few future topics.
>
> And I second that we avoid Diwali weekend. The weekend after that sounds
> good.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Navin Kabra <navin@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Two suggestions:
> > 1. Don't keep the talk next weekend. That's Diwali, attendance will be low.
> > 2. Also, I think, a more central venue might be better, PICT is too far for
> > a number of folks. Can someone here get permission from COEP, or Fergusson,
> > etc?
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Though I am new to PuneJUG, I think it has been really long a meet has
> >> been organised anywhere.
> >> I would like to propose to have one on next weekend?
> >> I can get PICT's auditorium for the same.
> >>
> >> A nice-ice-breaking session for a new start?
> >>
> >> Chip in your thoughts and also let me know if you would like to give any
> >> talk :)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Saager Mhatre
>




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