Refer this for instructions to use it:

http://henrik.nyh.se/2008/01/rails-truncate-html-helper


On 28-Jul-08, at 11:30 AM, Nilesh Chaudhari wrote:

> Shalmali,
>
> This is what you need:
>
> http://pastie.textmate.org/145402
>
> -Nilesh
>
> On 25-Jul-08, at 2:45 PM, shalmali kale wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I want to user auto_link tag in my project. But when I use truncate
>> method on that text and then use auto_link tag, then its not working.
>> Can anyone tell me the reason of it not working or any other remedy
>> for it?
>> Error that I am getting is,
>>  ActionView::TemplateError (undefined method `+' for nil:NilClass)
>> on line #12 of app/views/account/_groups.rhtml:
>> 9: <%= link_to truncate_html_strip_textual_wrap(grp_user.group.name,
>> 40,270),
>> {:controller
>> =>'groups', :action=>'home_page', :id=>grp_user.group.id} %>
>> Thanks,
>> Shalmali
>>
>



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Hey Guys,

I would like to convince a friend of mine to chose RoR for his
University final year project, instead of using Java or .NET

I was just wondering whether anyone here has great links or resources
as to why he should do it. Things like
  * salary statisctics
  * graphs of uptake of RoR vs. Java or .NET
  * best sites comparing RoR with other technologies
  * quotes of 'important people or companies' evangelizing RoR
  * etc

I am just 'crowdsourcing' some of the information gathering here, so
if you guys have any resources, fire away!

Thanks!

Best

Anthony

Come to think of it, I was also thinking about the same. Why should one choose
Ruby or Ruby frameworks over J2EE or .NET?
 
Any arguments, for or against would be helpful.
 
I was looking at learning a scripting language this year and python and ruby are
the choices I have in front of me.
 
-Nikhil

--- On Sun, 8/3/08, almightyscrotum <anthony@...> wrote:

From: almightyscrotum <anthony@...>
Subject: [puneruby] Why to chose ruby?
To: puneruby@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 6:53 PM






Hey Guys,

I would like to convince a friend of mine to chose RoR for his
University final year project, instead of using Java or .NET

I was just wondering whether anyone here has great links or resources
as to why he should do it. Things like
* salary statisctics
* graphs of uptake of RoR vs. Java or .NET
* best sites comparing RoR with other technologies
* quotes of 'important people or companies' evangelizing RoR
* etc

I am just 'crowdsourcing' some of the information gathering here, so
if you guys have any resources, fire away!

Thanks!

Best

Anthony


















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi guys,

Some interesting thread this is :)

I started my career as a C developer and slowly drifted towards Python for
my itch scratching projects. Python was neat, cool and very productive. I
even was looking at TurboGears... - but then Ruby happened to me - and I
fell in love with RoR instantly!

Though there's nothing wrong with Python (to me, Ruby and Python are sorta
siblings) - but RoR is I guess what set Ruby apart. When I had a tough
choice to make between TurboGears, Django and RoR - the single most driving
factor was - why not learn "the thing" which every other framework tries to
immitate!

18 months down the line, I am very happy with the choice I made.
Stuff that I have built with RoR (though is still in its infancy) - was
something I never imagined building by myself.

Productivity just shoots up with RoR (and Ruby). If you are not satisfied
with just that, plugins and gems and gazillions of tutorials would just blow
you away. And then - even with all the goodness, there's no issue with
scalability (Bumper Sticker on Face Book peaked at 1.7B
pageviews<http://www.google.com/search?q=bumper+sticker+scaling+&sourceid=navcli\
ent-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS280US280&aq=t>per
month - and is a rails app).

When it comes to corporates and job scene, RoR is definitely better than the
Django/TurboGears. Truthfully speaking, a lot of technical decision makers
today know about RoR and hence prefer it over Python based frameworks.
Contrasting this scenario to Java/.Net frameworks - Indian industry has so
many developers for these frameworks that the demand vs supply ratios almost
always tend to favour the supply factor. So as I see it, RoR developers are
in quite a demand and would remain for time to come. This translates to good
work and good benefits alike.

A quick (and untrusted) salary survey can be found on one of Orkut's RoR
community<http://www.orkut.com/CommPollResults.aspx?cmm=1198032&pct=1180664736&p\
id=2086771922>
.

But in the end - as a programmer, it all boils down to your personal
preference. If you are a good Ruby programmer, RoR would ofcourse be your
choice. If you are a Python programmer, TurboGears or Django would be the
way to go...

If you are starting afresh, I'd suggest try Ruby first if you have web
development in mind. Documentation, examples and community would go a long
way in helping you out.
But if you have Desktop apps for linux in mind, give Python a shot. A lot of
apps on today's linux distros are running on PyGTK. So that means a pretty
matured app framework and a ton of docs/examples/community-help.

Whatever you do - just put 100% into it and it'll be all worth it in the end
:)

--
Maku
http://www.makuchaku.info





On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Nikhil Palshikar <npalshikar@...>wrote:

>   Come to think of it, I was also thinking about the same. Why should one
> choose Ruby or Ruby frameworks over J2EE or .NET?
>
> Any arguments, for or against would be helpful.
>
> I was looking at learning a scripting language this year and python and
> ruby are the choices I have in front of me.
>
> -Nikhil
>
> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, almightyscrotum <anthony@...<anthony%40entrip.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: almightyscrotum <anthony@... <anthony%40entrip.com>>
> Subject: [puneruby] Why to chose ruby?
> To: puneruby@yahoogroups.com <puneruby%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 6:53 PM
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I would like to convince a friend of mine to chose RoR for his
> University final year project, instead of using Java or .NET
>
> I was just wondering whether anyone here has great links or resources
> as to why he should do it. Things like
> * salary statisctics
> * graphs of uptake of RoR vs. Java or .NET
> * best sites comparing RoR with other technologies
> * quotes of 'important people or companies' evangelizing RoR
> * etc
>
> I am just 'crowdsourcing' some of the information gathering here, so
> if you guys have any resources, fire away!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best
>
> Anthony
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh, missed this part...
My mail meant no offense to Python/Java/.NET developers and the communities
- and I hope none was taken :)

Regards,
Maku
http://www.makuchaku.info


On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM, मयंक जैन (makuchaku)
<maku@...>wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Some interesting thread this is :)
>
> I started my career as a C developer and slowly drifted towards Python for
> my itch scratching projects. Python was neat, cool and very productive. I
> even was looking at TurboGears... - but then Ruby happened to me - and I
> fell in love with RoR instantly!
>
> Though there's nothing wrong with Python (to me, Ruby and Python are sorta
> siblings) - but RoR is I guess what set Ruby apart. When I had a tough
> choice to make between TurboGears, Django and RoR - the single most driving
> factor was - why not learn "the thing" which every other framework tries to
> immitate!
>
> 18 months down the line, I am very happy with the choice I made.
> Stuff that I have built with RoR (though is still in its infancy) - was
> something I never imagined building by myself.
>
> Productivity just shoots up with RoR (and Ruby). If you are not satisfied
> with just that, plugins and gems and gazillions of tutorials would just blow
> you away. And then - even with all the goodness, there's no issue with
> scalability (Bumper Sticker on Face Book peaked at 1.7B
pageviews<http://www.google.com/search?q=bumper+sticker+scaling+&sourceid=navcli\
ent-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS280US280&aq=t>per month - and is a rails app).
>
> When it comes to corporates and job scene, RoR is definitely better than
> the Django/TurboGears. Truthfully speaking, a lot of technical decision
> makers today know about RoR and hence prefer it over Python based
> frameworks. Contrasting this scenario to Java/.Net frameworks - Indian
> industry has so many developers for these frameworks that the demand vs
> supply ratios almost always tend to favour the supply factor. So as I see
> it, RoR developers are in quite a demand and would remain for time to come.
> This translates to good work and good benefits alike.
>
> A quick (and untrusted) salary survey can be found on one of Orkut's RoR
>
community<http://www.orkut.com/CommPollResults.aspx?cmm=1198032&pct=1180664736&p\
id=2086771922>
> .
>
> But in the end - as a programmer, it all boils down to your personal
> preference. If you are a good Ruby programmer, RoR would ofcourse be your
> choice. If you are a Python programmer, TurboGears or Django would be the
> way to go...
>
> If you are starting afresh, I'd suggest try Ruby first if you have web
> development in mind. Documentation, examples and community would go a long
> way in helping you out.
> But if you have Desktop apps for linux in mind, give Python a shot. A lot
> of apps on today's linux distros are running on PyGTK. So that means a
> pretty matured app framework and a ton of docs/examples/community-help.
>
> Whatever you do - just put 100% into it and it'll be all worth it in the
> end :)
>
> --
> Maku
> http://www.makuchaku.info
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Nikhil Palshikar <npalshikar@...>wrote:
>
>>   Come to think of it, I was also thinking about the same. Why should one
>> choose Ruby or Ruby frameworks over J2EE or .NET?
>>
>> Any arguments, for or against would be helpful.
>>
>> I was looking at learning a scripting language this year and python and
>> ruby are the choices I have in front of me.
>>
>> -Nikhil
>>
>> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, almightyscrotum
<anthony@...<anthony%40entrip.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: almightyscrotum <anthony@... <anthony%40entrip.com>>
>> Subject: [puneruby] Why to chose ruby?
>> To: puneruby@yahoogroups.com <puneruby%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 6:53 PM
>>
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> I would like to convince a friend of mine to chose RoR for his
>> University final year project, instead of using Java or .NET
>>
>> I was just wondering whether anyone here has great links or resources
>> as to why he should do it. Things like
>> * salary statisctics
>> * graphs of uptake of RoR vs. Java or .NET
>> * best sites comparing RoR with other technologies
>> * quotes of 'important people or companies' evangelizing RoR
>> * etc
>>
>> I am just 'crowdsourcing' some of the information gathering here, so
>> if you guys have any resources, fire away!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Interesting comments. Thanks Mayank.

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, मयंक जैन ( <maku@...> wrote:
From: मयंक जैन ( <maku@...>
Subject: Re: [puneruby] Why to chose ruby?
To: puneruby@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:19 PM











             Hi guys,



Some interesting thread this is :)



I started my career as a C developer and slowly drifted towards Python for

my itch scratching projects. Python was neat, cool and very productive. I

even was looking at TurboGears.. . - but then Ruby happened to me - and I

fell in love with RoR instantly!



Though there's nothing wrong with Python (to me, Ruby and Python are sorta

siblings) - but RoR is I guess what set Ruby apart. When I had a tough

choice to make between TurboGears, Django and RoR - the single most driving

factor was - why not learn "the thing" which every other framework tries to

immitate!



18 months down the line, I am very happy with the choice I made.

Stuff that I have built with RoR (though is still in its infancy) - was

something I never imagined building by myself.



Productivity just shoots up with RoR (and Ruby). If you are not satisfied

with just that, plugins and gems and gazillions of tutorials would just blow

you away. And then - even with all the goodness, there's no issue with

scalability (Bumper Sticker on Face Book peaked at 1.7B

pageviews<http://www.google. com/search? q=bumper+ sticker+scaling+ &sourceid=
navclient- ff&ie=UTF- 8&rlz=1B3GGGL_ enUS280US280& aq=t>per

month - and is a rails app).



When it comes to corporates and job scene, RoR is definitely better than the

Django/TurboGears. Truthfully speaking, a lot of technical decision makers

today know about RoR and hence prefer it over Python based frameworks.

Contrasting this scenario to Java/.Net frameworks - Indian industry has so

many developers for these frameworks that the demand vs supply ratios almost

always tend to favour the supply factor. So as I see it, RoR developers are

in quite a demand and would remain for time to come. This translates to good

work and good benefits alike.



A quick (and untrusted) salary survey can be found on one of Orkut's RoR

community<http://www.orkut. com/CommPollResu lts.aspx? cmm=1198032&
pct=1180664736& pid=2086771922>

.



But in the end - as a programmer, it all boils down to your personal

preference. If you are a good Ruby programmer, RoR would ofcourse be your

choice. If you are a Python programmer, TurboGears or Django would be the

way to go...



If you are starting afresh, I'd suggest try Ruby first if you have web

development in mind. Documentation, examples and community would go a long

way in helping you out.

But if you have Desktop apps for linux in mind, give Python a shot. A lot of

apps on today's linux distros are running on PyGTK. So that means a pretty

matured app framework and a ton of docs/examples/ community- help.



Whatever you do - just put 100% into it and it'll be all worth it in the end

:)



--

Maku

http://www.makuchak u.info



On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Nikhil Palshikar <npalshikar@yahoo. com>wrote:



>   Come to think of it, I was also thinking about the same. Why should one

> choose Ruby or Ruby frameworks over J2EE or .NET?

>

> Any arguments, for or against would be helpful.

>

> I was looking at learning a scripting language this year and python and

> ruby are the choices I have in front of me.

>

> -Nikhil

>

> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, almightyscrotum <anthony@entrip. com<anthony%40entrip.
com>>

> wrote:

>

> From: almightyscrotum <anthony@entrip. com <anthony%40entrip. com>>

> Subject: [puneruby] Why to chose ruby?

> To: puneruby@yahoogroup s.com <puneruby%40yahoogr oups.com>

> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 6:53 PM

>

>

> Hey Guys,

>

> I would like to convince a friend of mine to chose RoR for his

> University final year project, instead of using Java or .NET

>

> I was just wondering whether anyone here has great links or resources

> as to why he should do it. Things like

> * salary statisctics

> * graphs of uptake of RoR vs. Java or .NET

> * best sites comparing RoR with other technologies

> * quotes of 'important people or companies' evangelizing RoR

> * etc

>

> I am just 'crowdsourcing' some of the information gathering here, so

> if you guys have any resources, fire away!

>

> Thanks!

>

> Best

>

> Anthony

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I need RoR developers or really good PHP developers in NYC.  Please send me your
resume so I can call you for an interview.  These are both contract and
permanent jobs.
 
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Nikhil Palshikar <npalshikar@...> wrote:
> Come to think of it, I was also thinking about the same. Why should one
> choose Ruby or Ruby frameworks over J2EE or .NET?
>

I'll put this to you as another set of choices:
- Which language - Ruby/Java/C#
- Which platforms - RoR/existing Java platforms/existing .NET platforms.

It's possible today to start writing a web application using RoR/Merb
and to make use to existing Java libraries and eco systems provided
you run your application on JRuby. At Thoughtworks, we have a product
based on RoR but delivered on JRuby.

So the developers express business logic using the Ruby language, make
use of the RoR framework to get the webapplication to work, and then
run the whole thing on JRuby.

I have not investigated the present day status of running
RoR/alternatives on IronRuby, but I am confident that good progress
must be made there.

> Any arguments, for or against would be helpful.
>

I've used Java for about 7 years and then used Ruby:
Pros:
- Express exactly what you want without worrying about syntax
- Easy to learn
- Can be used well as intended if you stop thinking about using the
syntax as you have in other languages (C, C++, Java), and start to
think about how various expresssions should be expressed as intended
by Rubists.

Cons (lack of awareness, really):
- RoR is the predominantly mentioned web framework.
    Other (and technically better) frameworks such as Merb are not mentioned.
- In the rush to use Rails, most folks forget about issues such as
lack of threading support and scalability
- Little or zero awareness of alternatives to httpd + mongrel (e.g.
haproxy + mongrel)
- Almost all of us forget that Ruby the language and RoR the platform
can be separate entities.
- Almost all of us forget that Java and C#/VB.NET the language are
different from the Java and the .NET platforms.
   You can write Java apps, and using existing Java API using the Ruby
language. You can run RoR/alternatives on JRuby + Tomcat and achieve
higher scalability and reuse of existing components.


> I was looking at learning a scripting language this year and python and ruby
> are the choices I have in front of me.
>

This is a difficult choice indeed. I'd love to write stuff in Ruby,
but the kind of projects that I am involved with (mostly opensolaris
work) involve other hacker minded people who prefer python and perl.
Also, a lot of existing tooling is based on python.

On the other hand, as of today, RoR and alternatives offer compelling
commercial reasons to use the Ruby language on the JVM so that you get
the best of concise code along with the availability of long existing
and well tested enterprise grade API available.

Learn the Ruby language and lurk around on the various Ruby based
lists. Later, when it's time to look at Python, remember that you
should have an open mind. It's already possible to mix Ruby and Python
code when you use JRuby and Jython on the JVM in the same process
space.


So take Ruby as a language, and then look at RoR as just one of the
application platforms that you could use.

> -Nikhil
>
-- Sriram

Thanks Sriram. This was indeed a balanced explanation.

That is the fundamental question I had, everywhere I hear people talking about
Ruby in context of RoR and creating some sort of web applications. I was more
interested in knowing how does Ruby as a programming language hold up.

I get some idea from your mail, but I guess I will have to explore more about
Ruby as a programming language without a bias for RoR based web applications.

Sincerely,
-Nikhil

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn@...> wrote:
From: Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn@...>
Subject: Re: [puneruby] Why to chose ruby?
To: puneruby@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:30 PM











             On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Nikhil Palshikar <npalshikar@yahoo.
com> wrote:

> Come to think of it, I was also thinking about the same. Why should one

> choose Ruby or Ruby frameworks over J2EE or .NET?

>



I'll put this to you as another set of choices:

- Which language - Ruby/Java/C#

- Which platforms - RoR/existing Java platforms/existing .NET platforms.



It's possible today to start writing a web application using RoR/Merb

and to make use to existing Java libraries and eco systems provided

you run your application on JRuby. At Thoughtworks, we have a product

based on RoR but delivered on JRuby.



So the developers express business logic using the Ruby language, make

use of the RoR framework to get the webapplication to work, and then

run the whole thing on JRuby.



I have not investigated the present day status of running

RoR/alternatives on IronRuby, but I am confident that good progress

must be made there.



> Any arguments, for or against would be helpful.

>



I've used Java for about 7 years and then used Ruby:

Pros:

- Express exactly what you want without worrying about syntax

- Easy to learn

- Can be used well as intended if you stop thinking about using the

syntax as you have in other languages (C, C++, Java), and start to

think about how various expresssions should be expressed as intended

by Rubists.



Cons (lack of awareness, really):

- RoR is the predominantly mentioned web framework.

    Other (and technically better) frameworks such as Merb are not mentioned.

- In the rush to use Rails, most folks forget about issues such as

lack of threading support and scalability

- Little or zero awareness of alternatives to httpd + mongrel (e.g.

haproxy + mongrel)

- Almost all of us forget that Ruby the language and RoR the platform

can be separate entities.

- Almost all of us forget that Java and C#/VB.NET the language are

different from the Java and the .NET platforms.

   You can write Java apps, and using existing Java API using the Ruby

language. You can run RoR/alternatives on JRuby + Tomcat and achieve

higher scalability and reuse of existing components.



> I was looking at learning a scripting language this year and python and ruby

> are the choices I have in front of me.

>



This is a difficult choice indeed. I'd love to write stuff in Ruby,

but the kind of projects that I am involved with (mostly opensolaris

work) involve other hacker minded people who prefer python and perl.

Also, a lot of existing tooling is based on python.



On the other hand, as of today, RoR and alternatives offer compelling

commercial reasons to use the Ruby language on the JVM so that you get

the best of concise code along with the availability of long existing

and well tested enterprise grade API available.



Learn the Ruby language and lurk around on the various Ruby based

lists. Later, when it's time to look at Python, remember that you

should have an open mind. It's already possible to mix Ruby and Python

code when you use JRuby and Jython on the JVM in the same process

space.



So take Ruby as a language, and then look at RoR as just one of the

application platforms that you could use.



> -Nikhil

>

-- Sriram



























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

+1. RoR tends to muddy the waters and divert attention from what is an
excellent programming language in its own right.

  > salary statisctics
The best non-startup salaries in India do _not_ got to Ruby devs. There
will be exceptions, but this generalisation is broadly true.

  > graphs of uptake of RoR vs. Java or .NET
RoR vs. Java or .Net would be apples and oranges. It would be fairer to
compare RoR with Spring, MonoRail or ASP .Net MVC. A single datapoint I
can offer is over a third of ThoughtWorks is working on Rails.

  > best sites comparing RoR with other technologies
Nope, nothing here offhand.

  > quotes of 'important people or companies' evangelizing RoR
I wouldn't take this too seriously. RoR is famous for its marketing.

Additionally (and fairly randomly):
- Ruby offers far greater flexibility than Java/C# - open classes blah
blah. This is a double edged sword - hackers can be hugely productive
and produce elegant, eminiently readable and maintainable codebases;
inexperienced or incompetent developers can wreck a codebase beyond all
hope of recovery.

- Ruby is significantly slower than most other languages (
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all )

- Ruby has its quirks ( blocks for example:
http://blog.sidu.in/2007/11/ruby-blocks-gotchas.html ) - it's exceptions
can be annoying to those who value consitency in a language. To be fair,
by this standard Java and C# are far worse than Ruby. And lets not even
mention VB.Net.

- Ruby has a pretty active and vocal opensource community, certainly far
more active than .Net and comparable to Java.

- As Ram has already pointed out, a stable implementation of Ruby is
available on the JVM (and JRuby is actually faster than the C version in
most benchmarks) and will soon be available on the DLR/CLR for .Net.

- CRuby threading sux0r. Big time.
http://blog.headius.com/2008/02/rubys-threadraise-threadkill-timeoutrb.html


My 2p.

HTH,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in

Hi Sidu,

I think you have nailed it quite right here.

If we have a look at the TIOBE index at
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html, we
can see Java at number 1 position with about 21.6% of the market and
Ruby with about 3% at position 9 below Java, C, VB, C++, PHP, Python,
Perl and C#.

As you have rightly mentioned, Ruby has good marketing behind it.

I have been working with major banks for the last 5 years and they
don't want to touch Ruby for the following reasons:

1. Lack of available experienced manpower
2. Lack of experience with Ruby or RoR

What I would say is in this day and age, one cannot rely on knowing
just one language or framework. Java is clearly the market leader.
And with frameworks like JBoss Seam, it gives you the same features
as RoR....if not more.

My recommendation is learn Java and Ruby. And you can't be wrong.

Best Regards,

Ashish.

--- In puneruby@yahoogroups.com, "C. K. Ponnappa" <ckponnappa@...>
wrote:
>
> +1. RoR tends to muddy the waters and divert attention from what is
an
> excellent programming language in its own right.
>
>  > salary statisctics
> The best non-startup salaries in India do _not_ got to Ruby devs.
There
> will be exceptions, but this generalisation is broadly true.
>
>  > graphs of uptake of RoR vs. Java or .NET
> RoR vs. Java or .Net would be apples and oranges. It would be
fairer to
> compare RoR with Spring, MonoRail or ASP .Net MVC. A single
datapoint I
> can offer is over a third of ThoughtWorks is working on Rails.
>
>  > best sites comparing RoR with other technologies
> Nope, nothing here offhand.
>
>  > quotes of 'important people or companies' evangelizing RoR
> I wouldn't take this too seriously. RoR is famous for its marketing.
>
> Additionally (and fairly randomly):
> - Ruby offers far greater flexibility than Java/C# - open classes
blah
> blah. This is a double edged sword - hackers can be hugely
productive
> and produce elegant, eminiently readable and maintainable
codebases;
> inexperienced or incompetent developers can wreck a codebase beyond
all
> hope of recovery.
>
> - Ruby is significantly slower than most other languages (
> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?
test=all&lang=all )
>
> - Ruby has its quirks ( blocks for example:
> http://blog.sidu.in/2007/11/ruby-blocks-gotchas.html ) - it's
exceptions
> can be annoying to those who value consitency in a language. To be
fair,
> by this standard Java and C# are far worse than Ruby. And lets not
even
> mention VB.Net.
>
> - Ruby has a pretty active and vocal opensource community,
certainly far
> more active than .Net and comparable to Java.
>
> - As Ram has already pointed out, a stable implementation of Ruby
is
> available on the JVM (and JRuby is actually faster than the C
version in
> most benchmarks) and will soon be available on the DLR/CLR for .Net.
>
> - CRuby threading sux0r. Big time.
> http://blog.headius.com/2008/02/rubys-threadraise-threadkill-
timeoutrb.html
>
>
> My 2p.
>
> HTH,
> Sidu.
> http://blog.sidu.in
>

Hello all,

Just a friendly reminder to keep checking our PuneRuby blog for the latest in
Ruby and Rails -
http://www.puneruby.com/blog/

Also, you learn Ruby for free on the web here - http://rubylearning.com/

Satish Talim

Hey,

I think, you are new to this group. This group is for Technical discussion.

If you want to post related to JOB OPENING, then add [JOBS] in your subject
line.


Regards,
Biju





On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Ted Prendergast <teddyp18@...> wrote:

>   I need RoR developers or really good PHP developers in NYC.  Please send
> me your resume so I can call you for an interview.  These are both contract
> and permanent jobs.
>
> teddyp18@... <teddyp18%40yahoo.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Thanks for advice.  I will do that next time. 
 
Ted

--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Bijesh Naidu <bijesh.naidu@...> wrote:

From: Bijesh Naidu <bijesh.naidu@...>
Subject: Re: [puneruby] Please send resume for open RoR jobs.
To: puneruby@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 7:10 PM






Hey,

I think, you are new to this group. This group is for Technical discussion.

If you want to post related to JOB OPENING, then add [JOBS] in your subject
line.

Regards,
Biju

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Ted Prendergast <teddyp18@yahoo. com> wrote:

> I need RoR developers or really good PHP developers in NYC. Please send
> me your resume so I can call you for an interview. These are both contract
> and permanent jobs.
>
> teddyp18@yahoo. com <teddyp18%40yahoo. com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Hi all,
Hope u all r doing well. I have a problem with uploading videos in my
application.
I
have to upload videos in my application which will be saved to the
database. Then these videos should be displayed in YouTube. That is
user's video should be submitted via a form in my application to
YouTube.
I have already started working on this. I found the link
 
"http://jimneath.org/2008/06/02/converting-videos-with-rails-installing-ffmpeg/"\
.
I followed all  the steps given in that.I have installed FFMpeg, paperclip,
state_machine. The problem i am
facing with is my video is not being saved in the database and the
action is being redirected to 'new' instead of 'show'.
Hope anyone of u guys would help me get out of this problem.
Thank you.
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Hi all,
Hope u all r doing well. I have a problem with uploading videos in my
application.
I
have to upload videos in my application which will be saved to the
database. Then these videos should be displayed in YouTube. That is
user's video should be submitted via a form in my application to
YouTube.
I have already started working on this. I found the link

"http://jimneath.org/2008/06/02/converting-videos-with-rails-installing-ffmpeg/"\
\
.
I followed all the steps given in that.I have installed FFMpeg, paperclip,
state_machine. The problem i am
facing with is my video is not being saved in the database and the
action is being redirected to 'new' instead of 'show'.
Hope anyone of u guys would help me get out of this problem.
Thank you.

See Hasmukh,

Storing Videos in Database is not a good option for a Programmer. When you will
try to see that Video, It will take time to load, and Our first concern is to
put as minimum load to the Database.

The other Option to store Videos is into the Public Directory. Your Public
Directory will contain two folders. Uploaded Videos and Converted Videos. When a
User is uploading a Video, You have to find out a method which will convert that
particular video into FLV format. Displaying video into a flash is not a big
concern. You have installed FFMPEG, which is very important. You have finished
80% of Your work.

Now to proceed further, I am sending you some links, go through it. if you will
face problems, revert back to me. We will try to solve it later. I think you
will find some more Suggestions and helps from the programmers here.

Here are the links :-
http://www.websideattractions.com/2008/03/07/converting-video-to-flash-in-rails/
http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=19304
http://nubyonrails.wordpress.com/2007/08/19/converting-movies-to-flv-format/
http://www.danielfischer.com/2007/06/27/how-to-use-ffmpeg-to-convert-video-via-r\
uby-on-rails/


Thanks and Regards,  Puneet PandeySenior Software Engineer
http://www.puneetitengineer.wordpress.com

--- On Tue, 19/8/08, Hasmukh Rathod <hasmukh_ce2007@...> wrote:
From: Hasmukh Rathod <hasmukh_ce2007@...>
Subject: [puneruby] Problem in Video uploading
To: puneruby@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 19 August, 2008, 5:08 PM











             Hi all,

Hope u all r doing well. I have a problem with uploading videos in my
application.

I

have to upload videos in my application which will be saved to the

database. Then these videos should be displayed in YouTube. That is

user's video should be submitted via a form in my application to

YouTube.

I have already started working on this. I found the link

  "http://jimneath. org/2008/ 06/02/converting -videos-with- rails-installing
-ffmpeg/".

I followed all  the steps given in that.I have installed FFMpeg, paperclip,
state_machine. The problem i am

facing with is my video is not being saved in the database and the

action is being redirected to 'new' instead of 'show'.

Hope anyone of u guys would help me get out of this problem.

Thank you.

  ----



Hasmukh Rathod.

Developer,

Safew Technology Labs.

Hyderabd



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Hello all,

Just a friendly reminder to keep checking our PuneRuby blog for the latest in
Ruby and Rails -
http://www.puneruby.com/blog/

Also, you learn Ruby for free on the web here - http://rubylearning.com/

Satish Talim

Hello,

I am facing one strange problem with date_select tag. I am using it for getting
birth date from user.

I am using rails 2.0.2, and to save birth date in database, I am using DATETIME
as datatype. But when  I put year below 1970, it gives me database error as
"ActiveRecord::MultiparameterAssignmentErrors ".

What can be the problem for it? What is the solution for it?

Thanks,
Shalmali


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hi shalmali,
I think u r choosing  an invalid date in the standard Rails date
helper (i.e. 31 of February).

The proposed solution is:
1) Intercept ArgumentError if the class is Date (and only Date)
2) If ArgumentError is raised, create a Time object using the same parameters
3) Convert it to Date


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Hi all,
I have to upload videos to youtube via a form in my application. I
dont have much idea about Youtube API.
Can anyone of u suggest some idea for implementing this video uploading.
Waiting for suggestions.
Thank you..

Hi,

I'm not sure that to what extent
http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/overview.html can help you...
But it sure can be worth a look :)

Good luck (and do share your experience).

Regards,
Mayank
ApnaBill.com <http://www.apnabill.com>

On 8/29/08, rizwana_009 <rizwana_009@...> wrote:
>
>   Hi all,
> I have to upload videos to youtube via a form in my application. I
> dont have much idea about Youtube API.
> Can anyone of u suggest some idea for implementing this video uploading.
> Waiting for suggestions.
> Thank you..
>
>
>


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Hello all,

Just a friendly reminder to keep checking our PuneRuby blog for the latest in
Ruby and Rails -
http://www.puneruby.com/blog/

Also, you learn Ruby for free on the web here - http://rubylearning.com/

Satish Talim

Hello all,

I wanted to know which is best book for rails 2.1.0 for learning restful routes
in depth.



Thanks,


Sandip Ransing


          


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Sandip, AFAIK you'll just have to wait for the next edition of Obie's
'Rails Way'. The current edition deals with 1.2.6.

-Sidu
http://blog.sidu.in

Sandip Ransing wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to know which is best book for rails 2.1.0 for learning
> restful routes in depth.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sandip Ransing
>
>
>
> Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo!
> group at http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
> <http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Hi all, I'm forwarding you guys an invitation to a "Geek Night" by
ThoughtWorks Pune. The topic is Usability and UI Design. As Rails web
app developers, I guess being cognizant of "user experience" is a good
thing: it can help us develop more user-friendly interfaces, providing
more value to our end users.

Please do join in if you feel you can benefit from or even contribute
to this event (there are no fees but free food! *wink*).

Regards,
Aman

---------------
Hi there!

As some of you may know, we at ThoughtWorks have been organizing
something called a 'Geek Night' for some time now. A Geek Night is an
informal gathering where we pick a hot technology topic and proceed to
discuss it and learn from each others' experience and perspectives.
The meeting takes about two hours inclusive of eating/drinking (soft
drinks only *wink*) and heckling the presenters. We generally plan it
on Saturday evenings so that our peers from other organizations can
join us too.

The topics for these Geek Nights may range from cutting-edge
technologies like JRuby to proven open source tools like Hibernate or
Spring. And sometimes we indulge in Code Jams where we get our laptops
in the room and go about solving a problem and discuss our solutions
till the food is over.

For our Geek Night this month we plan to bring up an interesting topic
  -  Usability Design

ThoughtWorks Pune is proud to host Abhijit Thosar - Usability Guru

Abhijit has over 20 years experience in the design and development of
products based on emerging technologies. He joined Human Factors
International, India in 2000 and worked as a project director on over
50 usability projects for clients across domains. Abhijit now works
for Capgemini Pune. His other interests include designing accessible
systems and interfaces for members of the elderly and disabled
population as well as designing research for products and services for
upcoming markets. Abhijit is looking forward to an interactive session
where he wants to share case studies from his experience.

Date: Saturday 20th September
Time: 2:00 pm to 4:00 pm
Venue:
ThoughWorks Pune Office
ThoughtWorks Technologies (India) Pvt. Ltd.
GF -01 Block -C, Panchshil Tech Park
Yerwada, Pune – 411006
Map:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=18.5528375&lon=73.8926911&z=17&l=0&m=a&v=2&search=thou\
ghtworks%20pune

If you are interested in attending the event, please register yourself
on our wiki at http://thoughtworks.wikispaces.com/Confirm+Presence (it
is a free event but we'd like to know who's coming)
For other FAQs, refer http://thoughtworks.wikispaces.com/FAQ

Btw, feel free to let your friends know about the event. The more the merrier!

Do join our Google Group
<http://groups.google.com/group/thoughtworks-events?lnk=srg> and we
shall keep you posted on the topics and dates for our upcoming
sessions.

See you soon!

Regards,
Your friendly neighbourhood ThoughtWorkers
http://www.thoughtworks.com

Dear Sidu/Sandip,

The Rails Way for Rails 2 is out already at the start of this year.
Don't know if it is available in India yet but no reason why it
shouldn't. I have a copy purchased in the US. And yes, it is a
fantastically comprehensive book for Rails 2.0.

If you love video tutorials, which we do, I'd also recommend Peepcode:
http://peepcode.com/products/rest-for-rails-2

Video tutorials are like instant noodles. Easy to cook and eat when
you are hungry. :-)

-Nilesh

On 12-Sep-08, at 11:20 AM, C. K. Ponnappa wrote:

> Sandip, AFAIK you'll just have to wait for the next edition of Obie's
> 'Rails Way'. The current edition deals with 1.2.6.
>
> -Sidu
> http://blog.sidu.in
>
> Sandip Ransing wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I wanted to know which is best book for rails 2.1.0 for learning
> > restful routes in depth.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sandip Ransing
> >
> >
> >
> > Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo!
> > group at http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
> > <http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>



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Thanks, Guys!

   ...
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  (M)+919860648108
          

--- On Fri, 12/9/08, Nilesh Chaudhari <nileshc@...> wrote:
From: Nilesh Chaudhari <nileshc@...>
Subject: Re: [puneruby] Rails 2.1.0 book help needed.
To: puneruby@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 12 September, 2008, 6:21 PM











             Dear Sidu/Sandip,



The Rails Way for Rails 2 is out already at the start of this year.

Don't know if it is available in India yet but no reason why it

shouldn't. I have a copy purchased in the US. And yes, it is a

fantastically comprehensive book for Rails 2.0.



If you love video tutorials, which we do, I'd also recommend Peepcode:

http://peepcode. com/products/ rest-for- rails-2



Video tutorials are like instant noodles. Easy to cook and eat when

you are hungry. :-)



-Nilesh



On 12-Sep-08, at 11:20 AM, C. K. Ponnappa wrote:



> Sandip, AFAIK you'll just have to wait for the next edition of Obie's

> 'Rails Way'. The current edition deals with 1.2.6.

>

> -Sidu

> http://blog. sidu.in

>

> Sandip Ransing wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I wanted to know which is best book for rails 2.1.0 for learning

> > restful routes in depth.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Sandip Ransing

> >

> >

> >

> > Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo!

> > group at http://in.promos. yahoo.com/ groups/

> > <http://in.promos. yahoo.com/ groups/>

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

> >

>

>



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