We sometimes say that whatever unobservable is meaningless. Aside from the fact
that what has been considered unobservable a few hundred years ago is now
observable, can we prove that certain variables are unobservable in principle?
What role does light (EMR) play in determining Schrödinger's cat state (dead or
alive)? Is light itself the only important factor closing the loop, or is the
observer's conscious acknowledgment which causes the final determination of the
cat's fate? In other words, is the wave packet collapse a function defined by
the structures of matter, a result from the interactions and relationships of
its parts, independent from human observers, or is objective reduction a
function of the mind? The answer is yes to both questions, there is no
contradiction, self-observation is a function intrinsic to all self-organized
systems.
Perception is key to the crystallization of 3D reality. Every particle and
object is accompanied by a wave that in-forms it about its shape and
environment. The particle exists in 3D only during actuality, at the now moment.
EMR feeds molecules with information about the environment (information that
represents the molecule's past as it exists in a rock-like 3D actuality).
Solidity and volume manifest only at present or actuality in a spacetime
continuum, there is no material past nor future.
Light particles transcend time and space. Photons bring us the past. Because
traveling at the speed of light causes time to virtually stop, information from
the past is locked into photons. This is how we can see what the Universe was
like billions of years ago. Our capacity to see is closely related to
consciousness and our ability for self-reflection, just as EMR is closely
related to state vector reduction and matter's ability for self-reflection.
We are constantly choosing the present out of an infinitude of possibilities
through a mechanism of quantum wave superposition. Thoughts are formed very much
in the same manner particles are, and just like particle systems depend on
matter waves and wholeness in space and time, so does our mind. Processes
forming ideas are very much like the processes that form matter. Mind and matter
both depend on phenomena like wave superposition, non-locality and parallel
information processing. Phenomena which ultimately gives all matter the
possibility and the ability to self-organize into ever more energy efficient
systems.
Holistic awareness, or self-reference, emerges from an inward necessity which is
satisfied as information is chosen from the context in which a system evolves.
That is why experience/perception is fundamental in the development of all
matter, but especially in sentient matter; because we need it in order to be
able to choose. This is why Nature (self-organized matter) transformed into
brains with eyes; to more efficiently carry out this self-reference function.
How could matter get organized if it could not observe itself? Matter, in order
to evolve, had to communicate in any way naturally possible (e.g., surface
vibrations, air vibrations, EM radiation and non-local communication).
Biological organisms evolved to use light to their benefit very slowly. As we
already know, it took Nature billions of years (from the Precambrian to the
Cambrian era) just to develop eyesight.
Human consciousness evolved from the same holistic awareness property all matter
has shown to possess. The evidence suggests that the objective Universe was here
before human observers and that wave function collapse is an old function of
matter which, through a self-reference mechanism inherent in self-animated
matter, evolved to what our consciousness is today.
Human consciousness is spacetime dependent, just like matter. No brain equals no
consciousness. First there had to be matter before there could be any brains,
and matter is spacetime dependent. Brains emerged from the evolution of
information that existed in spacetime. Thus, consciousness appears with the
emergence of matter, not before. Spacetime is where experience takes place.
There can be no evolution outside of spacetime. Now, after billions of years,
this information exchange between matter and the environment in which it evolves
has produced ever more complex self-organized systems. Human beings have evolved
to take full advantage of this holistic awareness function of Nature, which is
what enables us to think outside the grip of time. Allowing us at the same time,
to remember the past and imagine the future. Thought and self-awareness can then
be conceived as the products of that same holistic awareness function through
which all matter started self-organizing 14 billion of years ago. Consciousness
comes from the same holistic awareness function found in all matter.
The difference between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom is self
awareness; not even primates can recognize their faces on a mirror. Animals,
with the exception of human beings, are bound by time, they exist frame by frame
and react accordingly. Humans, on the other hand, have the ability to go back
and forth in time, we call it imagination, foresight, or insight, and that is
what gives us our sense of wholeness in space and time... which is what human
consciousness is all about.
Human consciousness is the ultimate product of a natural, energy balancing
mechanism, determined and regulated by the laws of Thermodynamics. Because
energy is finite, each object's energetic requirements has to be measured before
entering any given spacetime metric; before going from its subtle quantum matter
state, or wave state, to its objective material state or particle state. These
information requirements are met through wave interactions and the mechanisms
governing wave superposition, as described by Quantum Mechanics.
Brains are these little bio-mechanical tools that emerged with evolution for the
only purpose of enabling us to interpret and interface with reality. In order to
become more thermally efficient, the Universe needed to improve its ability to
observe and perceive the environment, so matter evolved into brains that could
take advantage of the properties of spacetime. Brains exist because there is
spacetime, not the other way around. Human sentience is the actual evolutive
result of all the sensing matter has been doing through time. Matter is aware of
its surroundings, but that does not mean it can think, unless it had previously
been formed into a brain.
Nature would still be able to exist and observe itself without the human
observer... it would just be a more primitive process. Our brains then, are seen
as Nature's best developed self-reference tool on this part of the Universe.
Human consciousness is an extension of the same holistic awareness function
self-organized matter always utilized to observe itself. Therefore, in a very
real way, consciousness still is Nature observing itself.
Experience is fundamental to existence, but it is not reality, Berkeley was
wrong. Reality is the process through which Nature is constantly becoming. As
Sir Roger Penrose explains quasicrystal development in The Emperor's New Mind
(p. 564), he writes that it appears as if the whole crystal is observing itself,
registering all atom configuration patterns embedded into its pilot wave, using
a self-reference mechanism, limited by the system's tendencies or
potentialities, by which their present state is compared to past states and all
the possible rock-like outcomes, all at once, until the right atom
configurations are found while constructing their "randomly forbidden, very
complex icosahedral symmetries".
Experience plays an important role in the correct development of the crystals,
as well as in all self-organized systems. The crystals are able to carry out
their self-observation by following information contained in their pilot wave
(Bohm-de Broglie) which contains past and even future information about the
crystal as a whole. Proto-qualia, or state, for a quasicrystal, would be how all
the possible atom configurations would feel like, as they remain in
superposition, until the right one is found. Then and only then, could the
collapse of the wave packet finally occur. Build a machine which can follow its
pilot wave and fully register its quantum state, and we may have a
self-organized and maybe even a self-aware machine.
From the moment the first self-organizing systems appeared in Nature to the
moment the first human brain appeared it has been a few billion years, but in
both occasions the function has been the same: to experience existence.
Penrose's quasicrystals don't have a brain but they follow their morphic matter
wave as the measure by which they must exist, and if by any reason they were to
stop following it as they add new atoms to their body, they would end up
becoming a totally different type of material. The objective state a human being
follows... or the measure by which a human being exists... is also defined by
its brain wave-function.
The collapse of the wave packet on the EPR and Aspect experiments doesn't just
come from human knowledge acquired during the measuring process but from a
holistic awareness property intrinsic to all matter. And, as Eugene V.
Stefanovich contends: interactions, not forces, are instantaneously registered
throughout space.
Many are amazed at Wheeler's Delayed Choice experiment results, but that's
because they want to understand it from their own perspective. They want to
understand it applying spacetime rules, and that's the problem. At the quantum
level, you need to toss away the notions of time and distance. For you, who live
at the spacetime level, the photon has maybe traveled billions of miles and
taken millions of light years to arrive, but at the quantum level, its emission,
detection, and measurement, has happened instantaneously. In our world, it
appears that, as we measure the particle, we are deciding the path the photon
had taken millions of years before; when in reality, the emission and detection
of the particle happened instantaneously. After emitted, the photon remains
timelessly suspended in hyperspace until detected or measured. Then, as its
state is decided and the state vector collapses, it materializes into spacetime;
our level in existence. So, it isn't our knowledge which collapses the state
vector, it is perception. What perceives it could be anything, dead or alive,
the particle's state will be defined either way.
As we already know, matter and space are one and the same thing (Einstein),
matter tells space how to bend and space tells matter where to go (Mach). The
way science sees it, matter is nothing more than condensed space. And, in my
view, when I talk about a particle, I might as well be talking about a human
being. To me, a man is nothing more than an uber particle, so to speak. And
that's because I believe in the evolution of matter. Matter, to me, is
synonymous to information; active information, to be precise.
Also, as we should know, there is a wave-particle duality (de Broglie,
Schrödinger, Bohm). The particle is always accompanied by a self scanning wave,
or standing wave, where all the information concerning the geometrical
properties of the particle is contained. This wave is called a matter wave and
can be mathematically described by a wave function. Each time the wave function
collapses, or we have a state vector reduction, the rock-like state of that
particle is defined in spacetime, as required by spacetime laws. The particle
existing in a rock-like state only at the now moment. That is why it is
vibrating.
At the quantum level, motion occurs the way it is created on a TV screen. As you
may know, a TV screen refreshes 60 times per second or so, that's how motion is
created. Imagine the fundamental particle as a vibrating 3D system refreshing
its structure over a trillion of times per second (Planck time). A standing,
self-scanning, spherical wave with a rock-like particle at the center.
So, each time there is wave packet collapse, the now state of the particle is
defined, then, and only then, it can materialize into spacetime; where the laws
of Thermodynamics and Relativity apply. Without the information required for the
wave packet to collapse there can be no particle in spacetime; it may exist
virtually, but not in spacetime.
Now, there are the Bose-Einstein condensates; a state of matter where groups of
particles exist under the guidance of one single pilot wave, as a whole. Also
known as super atoms and superwave functions. These were Bohm's main concern as
he wondered about the relationship between human consciousness, the body and the
Universal Mind; a realm he liked to Plato's realm of ideals and forms.
OK, so we now have that each particle's existence in spacetime is defined by the
information contained within its pilot wave, and that state is instantaneously
registered throughout space. Each particle going from state to state, with each
new state superseding the previous one. Learning and evolution being possible
thanks this super fast, continuous succession of states.
Now, is the brain accompanied by a unifying superwave function (unified
consciousness field) or not? The field where memes are contained. There is
evidence that points to an affirmative answer. As we already know, the human
brain is divided in two hemispheres connected by the corpus callosum, the
structure through which both hemispheres communicate. Well, there is a procedure
for the treatment of some cases of epilepsy where the two halves are separated,
and people who have gone through this procedure still think as one single
individual. Meaning that consciousness may be such a higher function that it
needs to exist as a non-localized whole, or field, where this field's features
are determined by the matter in the brain, like a hologram. Information being
processed in a way similar to how a 3D image is reproduced out of a holographic
plate, where each point contains some information of the whole. The brain being
the holographic plate and your thoughts or imagination being the reproduced
images on the hologram or field. State being instantaneously related to its
surroundings as e-motions. This, I believe, is how meditation can help with the
control of some bodily functions and even healing.
And there you have it; particles and cells have a self-scanned nucleus and we
have self-scanned brains.
Have you heard the Dalai Lama talk about compassion? I like to visualize
consciousness as a field around your head, a field with a given circumference. A
sociopath's field may have a circumference, or radius, of a few inches. For
people who, like the Dalai Lama, are full of compassion, this field may have a
much greater radius (as they reach Nirvana), like a circle whose center is
everywhere and circumference nowhere... (Zeno, Pascal, Bruno).
--
Laurent Duchesne
www.aether-is-one.com
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Mike <maineiac48@...> wrote:
> "If the universe is expanding, is it believed to be expanding outwardly,
> into something (the "aether"?), or is it believed to be expanding within
> itself (like the inside of a balloon)?"
We know that the universe is expanding by observing the distance
between galaxies. This distance is expanding, but the distance between
the stars inside a galaxy is relatively constant. The stars are moving
relative to the center of galaxy but they are not going away from each
other.
So I believe the answer is "expanding within itself".
>
> If the answer above were the latter, then we can establish the two
> points of reference, like two marks on the inside of a balloon which
> move apart as the balloon is inflated. If this is the answer, however,
> then we have to consider that a single photon of light moving between
> these two points would have to exceed the speed of light (accepted as
> not possible), because the actual space between the two points is
> expanding, not the movement of the points themselves, thus resulting in
> light crossing a greater distance than possible at normal light speed.
The speed of light is always constant regardless of the speed of the
frame of reference. This is the first principle of the special theory
of relativity.
howl
There have been several interesting comments regarding the
characteristics of space/time and the "aether" made here by others who
have a much better understanding of the subject than I. To help better
understand the concept, I would like to pose the following question to
any who may care to respond:
"If the universe is expanding, is it believed to be expanding outwardly,
into something (the "aether"?), or is it believed to be expanding within
itself (like the inside of a balloon)?"
If the answer is the former, how do we define this emptiness or
"aether"? Since motion (the expansion) is relative to to two points, and
this "aether" is considered absolute nothingness, it cannot provide a
"point". In otherwords we could not expand "into" it, we would already
be beyond it.
If the answer above were the latter, then we can establish the two
points of reference, like two marks on the inside of a balloon which
move apart as the balloon is inflated. If this is the answer, however,
then we have to consider that a single photon of light moving between
these two points would have to exceed the speed of light (accepted as
not possible), because the actual space between the two points is
expanding, not the movement of the points themselves, thus resulting in
light crossing a greater distance than possible at normal light speed.
One answer may be that if the photon were traveling through expanding
space, it may actually go backward in time rather than exceed normal
light speed, in which case it would arrive at point B in the same amount
of time it would have taken in non-expanding space.
Conceptionalizing this expansion, and trying to visualize it's reversal
from the present stage of expansion all the way back to it's initial
stage as a singularity, seems to show that either concept (or a
combination of both), may be partially correct, however neither seems to
offer a complete answer.
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I tend to believe that “space and time” is “something”. And
nothingness is “nothing”.
In supersting theories, for example, it was proposed that the strings
actually lives in 11 dimensions. We can only observe 4 (3 space, 1
time), because the rest is curled or compactified. Assuming that these
7 dimensions are more or less have some common properties as
space-time, then we can asked ourseves: How come something which is
not matter or energy be curled or compactified?
In general relativity, it has been explained that the presence of
large mass will “curved” space time. Notice that we don’t say “the
gravitational field is curved in otherwise flat space-time”. Instead
we say that it is space-time itself that is curved. Again, how come
space and time be curved?
In the black hole, we know that light cannot escape its event horizon.
Again this happens because space and time is curved extreemly, to the
point of singularity.
Back to the original question: How can we perceive nothingness if
everything has been taken away? “Everything” being matter, energy,
space and time (plus the other curled 7 dimensions if you believe
superstring theories)? (note: by matter/energy we also include dark
matter and/or dark energy).
From physics point of view we cannot say anything if there is no
possibility of observing it.
Light can travel through space-time, but light cannot travel through
nothingness. If you imagine that there is a boundary of this universe
where outside of this boundary is complete nothingness (not even
space-time), then light cannot penetrate this boundary, hence our
inability to observe.
light travel through space-time. If space-time is curved, than the
path of the light is curved also. This has nothing to do with any
interaction between the light and matter that created the curve. It
simply because space and time itself is curved.
Now imagine that there is nothingness where space-time is sitting. If
the curving of space-time does not affect the light, then we can
imagine that light can still travel if we “take away” the space and
time.
One of the model of our universe is “closed universe”. In this model,
if you shoot out light to one direction, it will eventually come back
to you. In other word, light cannot escape this closed universe. Why?
Because light cannot escape the bound of space and time.
The shortest distance between 2 points in curved spacetime is not a
straight line. My understanding is that light travel following the
shortest distance.
One way of look at this problem is by looking at curved mirror where
straight objects appears to be curved. Here we can say that light
itself is following straight line while the object only appear to be
curved.
This analogy does not apply to the curved spacetime, because we are
not looking at the reflection. What happen is that light goes through
a region of curved spacetime and got deflected because of that.
howl
"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle." -
George Orwell
Rybo, You cannot know any of that for a fact, or from personal
experience... And referencing Bucky Fuller is no authority with
respect to this topic.
There is no such thing as "supernatural"
And "metaphysical" does not mean "mystical" or "magical" (in the
ordinary sense) -- but refers solely to the higher frequency/energy
phase order coenergetic fields in non material, yet "physical"
hyperspace.
All processes of consciousness and mind are perfectly natural
occurrences that cannot violate any of the fundamental cyclic based
laws of electrodynamics, harmonics, and information storage and
transfer through ALL fractal involved hyperspherical fields of
metaphysical and physical spacetime...
<http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Cyclic-paths-cosmogenesis.jpg>
Since its perfectly obvious to me (through personal experience and
mind experiments coupled with hyperspherical geometric logic) -- that;
(1) Individual consciousness (awareness, will, qualia, perception,
intention, etc.) is located at an unconditioned (static) zero point
of (timeless and dimensionless) absolute space -- that is outside of
all multidimensional space and time.
(2) This ground (absolute) space substance has *infinite* potential
energy in the form of angular spin momentum (primal G-force).
(3) The basis of both metaphysical and physical spacetime is the
finite singularity of that G-force prior to the initial radiation
and expansion of the universal gravitational field and its
subsequent fractal involutions and evolutions.
(4) Physical/material spacetime originates from the near infinite
(yet finite) "singularity" after the third iteration of the initial
cosmogenesis fractal involved coenergetic (resonant) hyperspherical
energy fields.
<http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Chakrafield-spherical-col_3.jpg>
(5) Individual consciousness is linked directly to the spin-momentum
origin of the triune monad or soul (rational mind, intuitive memory,
spirit) in higher order physical (non material) hyper space.
<http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg>
(6) Everything is conscious in one degree or another, and individual
consciousness is entangled with the remote consciousness of every
cell in the body -- which also have their own mind-memory fields.
Cellular memory is essential for skilled musicians, athletes, etc.
(7) All fields of consciousness interpenetrate each other... And the
universe (and everything in it) is a hologram. -- with all its
constructive and memory information contained in every zero point
singularity, carried on the surface of all radiant fields as
modulated wave interference patterns, and transmitted between fields
by phase conjugate adaptive resonance.
There are no exceptions to these rules... And ALL phenomenal in the
universe is governed by the fundamental cyclic laws of
electrodynamics and harmonics rooted in original spin momentum.
Thus, there are three interconnected fundamental aspects underlying
phenomenal reality -- (A) consciousness, (B) matter, and (C)
information -- plus absolute space... The unconditioned ground and
source of ALL.
(More comments below)
On Jan 31, 2009, at 1/31/091:23 PM,
SPACETIMEandCONSCIOUSNESS@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rybo6 <rybo6@...>
> To: SPACETIMEandCONSCIOUSNESS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 9:05 am
> Subject: Re: [SPACETIMEandCONSCIOUSNESS] Re: [Zen] Death and the Bardo
>
> Leon, "metaphysical" explanations are not the answer.
They certainly are -- at least partially -- to all questions of
consciousness and mind-memory.
>
> At best, supernatural would be a word to explain some extraodinary
> phenomena.
As said, there is no such thing as supernatural. And ALL
"extraordinary phenomena" are subject to the fundamental laws of
nature -- which apply uniformly through all levels of physical and
metaphysical spacetime. No exceptions.
>
> Rain man and other idiot savant types may have supernatural / extra-
> ordinary physical abilities, is not "metaphysical".
Their extra-ordinary abilities are simply the direct access to the
higher order (metaphysical) past life or cosmic memory fields -- due
to the failure of certain electrochemical blocking mechanisms of the
brain, that also allow normal reasoning processes.
Imagine the trouble you might have, in thinking straight, with your
mind filled with constant bombardments of visual information -- that
is absolutely useless in carrying out normal thought processes or
responses to sensory information. That is why some such savants
claim to actually see strings of numbers and other information as if
they were seeing them through someone-else's eyes.
There are a number of "hyperspace field" explanations for this --
such as accessing past life memories, or telepathic connections with
ancients or others who actually read advanced mathematical books,
etc. Who knows what was known before the burning of the Alexandria
library? ;-) And, if anyone read the books there, who's to know
whether it was not in one of the the past lives of the idiot savant?
The same thing goes, BTW, for child prodigies, or ordinary people
born with abnormal or "special talents" -- including psychic abilities.
Nothing mysterious or supernatural in any of that.
> Any "hyper-space fields", at best, will be associations with
> gravities 2D flatten geodesic tubes.
That's about as meaningless as saying the "Internet is a series of
pipes" ';-)
>
> The 4 circular equaltorial planes of the cubo-octah edron, are the
> closet geometric explanation of 2D holographic scenarios, that we
> know to exist, at least in pure metaphysics of mathematics.
>
> http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/figs/plate31.html
And, what does that have to do with OBE's, consciousness or
"holographic scenarios"?
So that's no explanation of anything.
Holographic information can only be carried as modulated wave
interference patterns on the surfaces of any higher frequency
electromagnetic field, magnetically receptive crystal layers, or
electrochemically receptive photographic films. Such information can
only be retrieved holographically by a coherent "white" radiation at
the same frequency order of the original image carrying field... And,
its perfectly obvious that every radiant information field must be of
a substantially higher frequency phase order than the highest
frequency information it carries.
Trying to explain such processes by intersecting solid or planar
geometry is an exercise in futility.
The only solid geometry that fits the fractal involved fields of
total spacetime is the 6n hex-octahedron and their tetrahedral voids
<http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Fract-Exp-Lt-Dk-matter-text.jpg>
(Note the connections between light and dark matter/energy, and
between the higher order seven point-centered fractal fields -- with
each field surrounding a potential 6n hex-octahedron, ad infinitum.)
This fractal geometry of everything and the fundamental
hyperspherical nature of all radiant energy fields is the a priori
basis of the near infinitely hyperdimensional holographic Cosmos, and
the analogously hyperdimensional and holographic lower order physical
universe -- that appears phenomenally (from its singularity) at the
big bang, after breaking of symmetry on its lower order ponderable
material plane.
>
> The zero-volume tetrahedron above will be the closet you will ever
> come to 0k temperature.
How can a solid geometrical object have any relationship to
temperature or thermodynamics?
0°K simply refers to absolute zero motion... And is the temperature
at the absolutely static zero-point, everywhere. That is what
enables consciousness to detect and experience the finest vibrational
patterns on the highest order fields of mind and memory... The
highest one being the spiritual field closest to the frequency of the
cosmic singularity. Thus -- accounting for all altered states of
consciousness -- up to absolute samadhi meditation... (Where one's
individual consciousness can become united with cosmic consciousness).
>
> Fuller shows, conceptually speaking, dynamic spin, accounts for 720
> degrees --ergo one tetrahedron-- of surface area gain.
>
> See following link.
> http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s09/p86480.html#986.500
>
> The question for me, is whether this 720 degrees of surface gain,
> will match the surface gain ration between the 4 planes of the cubo-
> octahedron when going from hexagon to20conceptually spun circle.
>
> 4 * pi * r^2 = surface area of sphere and those 4 Great Circle Planes.
How does any of the above have any relationship to the topic under
discussion? Fuller only pictures and describes the 2d linear
structural surface characteristics of spherical fields, and their
tetrahedral inner structure -- based on ponderable *material* forms
only.
In actual reality the insides of any such radiant energy spheres,
rooted in absolute space, can only be an infinite series of
progressively smaller spherical surfaces fractally involving down to
their common zero point centers of origin. Each fractal inner fields
surface is a "membrane" at progressively higher order frequencies as
they descend down toward their zero-point centers. This is also
analogous to the initial 7, 14, etc, internal field structure of the
entire cosmos as well as inside every black hole, galaxy, star,
particle, etc.
See cross section diagram of a spherically polarized photon particle:
<http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/PhotonField.gif>
This is simply another proof of the hyperspherical holographic nature
of all reality, and the harmonic electrodynamics that is necessary
for the storage and transmission of structural as well as
consciousness information. Fuller may have known this unity of all
fields, but he could not, like Einstein, prove it using conventional
reductive physical mathematics, or by contradicting the materialist
basis of conventional science that Fuller rests all his structural
mechanics on.
The true nature of fundamental reality can only be known by direct
experience and deductive reasoning based on the cyclic laws inherent
in fundamental circular spin -- which is "empty" of all form or
linear directional dimensions.
I can't imagine any other clear and unequivocal explanation for the
mechanisms of consciousness and mind leading to OOB, NDE or any other
psychic experiences.... and, so far, science hasn't even come close.
Leon Maurer
ABC model of spacetime and consciousness explained:
http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13
>
> Rybo
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:22 AM, Leon Maurer wrote:
>> So, far, none of those experiences can be satisfactorily explained
>> by physical process of the brain. And, there is no reason to
>> believe that consciousness is a function or epiphenomena of the
>> brain's neural system.
>>
>>
>> This theory makes it self evident that higher states of
>> consciousness, like dreams, visions, epiphanies , etc., are real
>> experiences of the in formation carried (as modulated wave
>> interference patterns) on higher order hyperspace fields... And
>> that our individual self consciousness, as the fundamental quality
>> or aspect of the underlying *static* absolute (0°K) space, is
>> connected with the primal highest order triune (hyperspherical)
>> fields** surrounding each of us -- that do not disappear when the
>> brain-body dies. Thus, verifying the reality of OOBE and NDE, and
>> explaining all possibilities of psi phenomena, as well as the
>> possibility of both the laws of karma and reincarnation being an
>> interrelated reality. IOW, there is the possibility of "life after
>> death" and ultimate rebirth in a new body that has no accessible
>> memory of its past lives... (That are not a direct part of the new
>> body's hyperspace fields, such as suppressed archetypal memories,
>> etc.).
>> ** http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Chakrafielddiag-fig.c
> ol.jpg
>>
>> In addition to all the above, this configuration of
>> multidimensional space time, coupled with the universal laws of
>> electrodynamics, and how all information is carried by such fields
>> within fields within fields, etc., as modulated wave interference
>> patterns -- indicates that the entire universe is a hologram, and
>> that all its information is contained in every zero-point spin
>> momentum (singularity) located everywhere. It also offers a
>> rational basis to explain how perceptive consciousness accesses the
>> information from the brain's sensory image fields as well as the
>> higher order fields of short term mind and long term memory -- and
>> how will, governed by intention or desire, whether attentive or
>> inattentive, can guide, through the brain's neurology, all the most
>> delicate and precise neuromuscular controlled positions of the body.
>> http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13
>>
>> Leon Maurer
>> http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:01 am ((PST)) "yanniru@..."
>> yanniru@... yanniru wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually another Edgar, Edgar?Mitchell
>>>
>>> got objective evidence for OBE
>>>
>>> and published it in the Proc. IEEE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The CIA, who I once had contracts for
>>>
>>> did OBE studies as well but its still secret.
>>>
>>> They released their Remote Sensing work.
>>>
>>> So the OBEs studies may be released
>>>
>>> sometime in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have never had one, but=2
> 0encountered many
>>>
>>> at the Esalen Inst in CA who did and one
>>>
>>> was able to verify or objectify her experience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NDEs will be explained by you in the same way.
>>>
>>> But they are more easily objectified.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yanniru
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
>>>
>>> To: SPACETIMEandCONSCIOUSNESS@yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:46 am
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [SPACETIMEandCONSCIOUSNESS] Re: [Zen] Death and the
>>> Bardo
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For purposes of determining a scientific theory of everything --
which must include all aspects of total matter-energy, space,
information, and consciousness (awareness, will qualia, etc.) -- I
would like to suggest the following definition:
At the most fundamental level of subjective experience (by all
sentient beings) -- consciousness is the subjective ability of an
organism to perceive, and respond appropriately to external stimuli.
At a higher level of neural and mental development -- in addition to
those capabilities -- consciousness gains the added ability to
intentionally access, recall and perceive short and long term memory
information, in order to consider, integrate, differentiate, and
combine them into comprehensible thought images, so as to gain
knowledge and/or to sort, select and determine appropriate responsive
action.
Phenomenal consciousness, apparently being a continuous (i.e.,
eternal) property of unconditioned absolute space (see Note below**)
can function (based on its access to memory and/or sensory
information along with the appropriate neural interconnections)
attentively, inattentively, overtly, subliminally and/or
autonomically... Whether in wakeful, sleeping, dreaming, or
sensorially/responsively-blocked states of awareness and intent
(e.g., anesthetized, knocked out, brain-nerve damaged, etc.).
**Note: Since consciousness must be capable of discriminating and
differentiating between the finest vibrations of radiant energy -- in
order to allow the perception of the subtlest sensory information
(such as the smell of a wolf, the hearing of a porpoise, or the sight
of an eagle, etc.) -- in itself, it must be entirely inert and
motionless.
Therefore, it can only be a fundamental quality of the entirely
unconditioned absolute space underlying all physical spacetime
(aether) and ALl its ponderable material forms -- whose zero point
centers of origin ("singularities") are located everywhere in the
Planck vacuum... (At the centers of all the "virtual particles,"
microleptons or sub quantum ZPE fields -- some of which, on the
cosmic level, could extend harmonically into the higher frequency
phase orders of hyperspace surrounding or adjacent to all radiant
fields of metric space.)
For an illustrated overview of these possibilities, and an
explanation of how subjective consciousness might interface with
objective matter on the level of information -- carried as wave
interference patterns on radiant electromagnetic fields throughout
"total space" -- see:
http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/4
Beat wishes,
Leon Maurer
http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/
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On Nov 25, 2008, at 11/25/083:29 PM, macromitch wrote:
> --- In moderncosmology@yahoogroups.com, "Rachel"
> <dustballdustball@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> As of recently, I finished "Endless Universe:[...]--Rewriting Cosmic
>> History," (I think I recall someone suggesting the book on this site;
>> if so, thank you) a book pitting Big Bang and cyclic model together
>> and giving insight into this up-and-coming theory. The book was
>> captivating, informative and full, yet relatable. But I digress....
>>
>> What I intended was to start a discussion on the two. Which of the
>> two do you think is the better theory and why (I support cyclic
>> model more myself)?
>>
>
> Cosmologists observe spatial expansion accelerating. This implies an
> infinite future and there is no crunch ahead. If there is no crunch
> ahead there can be no prior universe that collapsed.
But, if the universe expands so far that all its forms dissipate and
dissolve back into the aether from whence they came -- then all their
formative information will still remain in the higher order
hyperspace fields until they dissolve back into their zero-point spin
momentum origins -- the source of all cyclic laws governing universal
electrodynamics.
Thus, the entire cosmos would eventually have returned to its
"singularity" origin -- with all its structural information intact.
If such is the case, then, at the end of a certain period of cyclic
rest, the cosmos could reanimate into a cosmogenesis similar to the
original start of the present cosmos.** This would imply that cosmic
consciousness, as an aspect of the unconditioned Aether, would use
its awakened will to impel the new emanation, fractal involution, and
ultimate big bang, inflation, and evolution on the lowest order
physical/material level of overall spacetime.
IOW, the cosmos along with the physical universe -- with all its
galaxies, stars, planets, sentient beings, down to the fundamental
sub quantum and quantum particles -- would all have to be analogously
cyclic in nature... And, periodically come in and out of existence at
whatever frequency level they each exist on. In parallel, rach
individual phenomenal consciousness would also periodically come in
and out of existence as living beings, along their evolutionary paths
toward higher and higher perfected degrees of perception, thought,
understanding, response, knowledge and experience. The driving force
of all such "creative evolution" being the will of consciousness
empowered by desire to experience and learn. What better way than
for the cosmic consciousness to split itself up into infinite
varieties of multiple levels of sentient beings -- from cellular
biota to humans (made up of cellular bioya:), and perhaps even
through other higher order angels and god-like or devilish beings
living and experiencing in hyperspace (along, perhaps, with our
spiritually awakened dead friends and family waiting for rebirth.) ;-).
Leon Maurer
**http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/
>
> Mitch Raemsch
>
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Leon Rosenfeld (1933, 1963) considered:
G_uv = 8pi(T^uv)psi
Where PSI is the quantum state of the matter fields and:
· Gravitation is the beginning of a semi-deterministic process. The
gravitational force is a product of the electromagnetic properties of the
medium, and is a classical, non-quantized phenomena.
· Gravity and wave packet collapse are interrelated. There is state-wave
collapse because there is gravity, gravity being the product of electromotive
forces generated within matter.
· Gravitation is caused by a space pressure differential created by the inward,
radial space flow that occurs as a result of the object's state-wave continuous
collapsation.
· Quantization and organization of space is orchestrated by matter fields
(pilot-waves) which originate from and follow exclusive dimensions (information)
already existing as matter (particles).
If there were no wave collapse there would be no matter, simple as that.
Stopping or reversing gravity would require the stopping or reversing of the
state-wave flow, and that would cause matter to disintegrate. All matter is wave
and particle at the same time (de Broglie, et al.), that is why there is
gravity.
--
Laurent
http://www.aether-is-one.com
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Leon Rosenfeld (1933, 1963) considered:
G_uv = 8pi(T^uv)psi
Where PSI is the quantum state of the matter fields and:
· Gravitation is the beginning of a semi-deterministic process. The
gravitational force is a product of the electromagnetic properties of
the medium, and is a classical, non-quantized phenomena.
· Gravity and wave packet collapse are interrelated. There is state-
wave collapse because there is gravity, gravity being the product of
electromotive forces generated within matter.
· Gravitation is caused by a space pressure differential created by
the inward, radial space flow that occurs as a result of the object's
state-wave continuous collapsation.
· Quantization and organization of space is orchestrated by matter
fields (pilot-waves) which originate from and follow exclusive
dimensions (information) already existing as matter (particles).
If there were no wave collapse there would be no matter, simple as
that. Stopping or reversing gravity would require the stopping or
reversing of the state-wave flow, and that would cause matter to
disintegrate. All matter is wave and particle at the same time (de
Broglie, et al.), that is why there is gravity.
--
Laurent
http://www.aether-is-one.com
Leon Rosenfeld (1933, 1963) considered:
G_uv = 8pi(T^uv)psi
Where PSI is the quantum state of the matter fields and:
· Gravitation is the beginning of a semi-deterministic process. The
gravitational force is a product of the electromagnetic properties of
the medium, and is a classical, non-quantized phenomena.
· Gravity and wave packet collapse are interrelated. There is state-
wave collapse because there is gravity, gravity being the product of
electromotive forces generated within matter.
· Gravitation is caused by a space pressure differential created by
the inward, radial space flow that occurs as a result of the object's
state-wave continuous collapsation.
· Quantization and organization of space is orchestrated by matter
fields (pilot-waves) which originate from and follow exclusive
dimensions (information) already existing as matter (particles).
If there were no wave collapse there would be no matter, simple as
that. Stopping or reversing gravity would require the stopping or
reversing of the state-wave flow, and that would cause matter to
disintegrate. All matter is wave and particle at the same time (de
Broglie, et al.), that is why there is gravity.
--
Laurent
http://www.aether-is-one.com
On Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:34 am ((PST)) "rybo6" rybo6@... os_jbug
wrote:
>
> On Dec 17, 2008, at 1:41 AM, Leon Maurer wrote:
>>
>> This would imply that cosmic consciousness, as an aspect of the
>> unconditioned Aether, would use its awakened will to impel the new
>> emanation, fractal involution, and ultimate big bang, inflation,
>> and evolution on the lowest order physical/material level of
>> overall spacetime.
>
> Leon, cosmic consciousness is mapped onto the gravitational
> spacetimes, 5-fold Icosahedron and its derivatives ergo the 31
> primary Great Circle-like Polygonal Geodesics( GrCPG's ) and because
> the 5-fold Icosahedron contains the 4-fold Cubo-octahedron's
> pattern/map ergo the 4-fold's 25 primary GrCPG's.
>
> http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/Lynn/LynnS54.html
>
> Our physical reality is the overlapping interference of the 5-fold in
> 4-fold and 5-fold derivative patterns.
>
> http://home.usit.net/~rybo6/rybo/id12.html
>
> Reality also brings into focus the left or right skewing of the 5-
> fold ergo we have 31 left skew GrCP's and 31 right-skew GrCPG's.
>
> The geodesics are 3D flatten tetrahedral tubulars with an associated
> central axis. imho
LM: So, where does consciousness come from in that derivative view
of the surface geometry of a sphere? None of that even gives us the
faintest idea of the actual origin and genesis of the physical space-
time continuum. Interesting structural geometries, to be sure... But
a waste of time for finding any correlation with cosmogenesis or
consciousness, imho. To think so, is to live in a dream world where
nothing that occurs need an explanation which makes logical sense.
The basis of actual radiant field spatial reality is a fractal
involved hyperspherical (toroidal) geometry, originating from the
spin momentum of the conscious zero-point of absolute space -- that
has no inherent geometry except the abstract motion of infinite
cyclic spins... All of which are located in the same place -- and
together, containing infinite holographic information of previous
existences of many worlds (galaxies, star systems, organic life
forms, etc.) eventually spread out everywhere in metric physical/
material spacetime -- all within a surrounding and interpenetrating
hyperspacetime (and fractal involving down to the smallest ZPE fields
in the false vacuum). See how this fundamental pre cosmic spin might
look -- if you can twist your imagination down into the Aether level
(where the localized G-force spinergy manifests as ZPE at less than
1.6 x 10^-35 cm and near infinite mass):
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/BuddhaBabyGordianKnot.jpg
According to this model, the initial spherically inscribed internal
geometry is an octahedron (3 axes, six directions, eight sides, 12
edges) that can divide and multiply fractally into infinite
octahedrons in units of six (hex-octahedrons) -- which in turn can be
reduced to cubic lattices within each fractal octahedron shape (with
8 tetrahedral voids per hex-octahedron unit). The overall
octahedrons can then be each further projected into surrounding
icosahedrons and dodecahedrons to completely fill the spherical
surrounding space. For a look at how it all began, see:
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Fract-Exp-Lt-Dk-matter-text.jpghttp://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Chakrafield-spherical-col_3.jpg
(cosmogenesis)
Incidentally, some years ago (around 1975) I built a complete model
of this projective geometry (out of toothpicks) -- starting from a
cube inside an octahedron, inside an icosahedron out to an
dodecahedron inside a geodesic sphere.-- with a total diameter of
about 12 inches. Unfortunately, it got crushed a couple of years
later by my dog who mistook it for a ball;-( after I showed it to B.
Fuller -- who was an adjunct prof at NYIT -- where I was consulting
in the CG Lab coordinating CGI SFX, motion capture, and 3D animation
developments -- while also teaching a motion picture special effects
course in the communication arts grad school. (Too bad I didn't get a
picture of it next to a photo he showed me of the one he had made.)
>
>> The driving force of all such "creative evolution" being the will
>> of consciousness empowered by desire to experience and learn.
>
> Free-will is an illusion.
LM: How can it be, when it is a function of the absolute space that
is at the center of every hyperspace and metric spacetime field --
and everyone can make choices of action based solely on their
conscious intention? No matter that such actions are dependent on
the laws of nature. For example, one cannot will themselves to rise
against the force of gravity, or see through a brick wall.
What's free is the intention to act or not act (when permitted by
natural laws). And, at the primal beginning, why wouldn't the cosmic
consciousness be totally in control of its will to observe the great
show opening around it? ... While knowing full well that its laws
were immutable, and that after everything is reconstructed back to
what and where it was -- whatever will be will be, and evolution will
proceed as usual (dependent on local conditions)... And, also
knowing that because of the unpredictability of individual
consciousness, an entirely different new day of its experience and
learning will occur over the next zillions of our years. (If I were
that cosmic awareness, that's just the way I would like it to be...
What a great adventure. :-)
That is why the future cannot be predicted, and when we try to see
down to the Planck space between the particles, everything becomes
indeterminate... And also why, on the classical level, the future
condition of any particular atom and molecule (or conscious living
being as well as their groups) cannot be predicted. Thus, due to
separated individual consciousness and free will, the future is
neither predetermined nor predictable. This is also obvious when we
examine the differences in the physical bodies of each human being --
although the general model is pretty much the same over a very broad
range (discounting all the different possibilities of outright
genetic failures).
>
>> What better way than for the cosmic consciousness to split itself
>> up into infinite varieties of multiple levels of sentient beings --
>> from cellular biota to humans (made up of cellular bioya:), and
>> perhaps even through other higher order angels and god-like or
>> devilish beings living and experiencing in hyperspace (along,
>> perhaps, with our spiritually awakened dead friends and family
>> waiting for rebirth.) ;-).
>
> Ultra-micro gravitational spacetime is celluar ergo we have cells of
> macro-biologicals.
LM: Only because you are talking about the fourth lowest frequency
phase order physical spacetime, where every particle standing wave
starts out from a particular spin momentum ZPE source. At the ultra
micro level (0°K), however, there is no linear motion, spacetime
doesn't exist, the absolute space, along with the aether, along with
all its primary higher order hyperspace fields, act as a BEC, and are
perfectly symmetrical -- with the speed of light stepping up from c
to c^8 and approaching infinity in the primary human spiritual field
(i.e., its outer sphere analogous to the all surrounding cosmic
spiritual field at the 1st logos) See:
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg
Compare to illustration of "cosmogenesis" at:
http://leonmaurer.info/ABCimages/Chakrafield-spherical-col_3.jpg
Since the human consciousness is at the center of the initial highest
order triune field (monad), and since absolute space is
indestructible, it would remain totally functional (awareness, will,
qualia, etc,) for as long as the surrounding cosmic gravitational
field exists. Thus, after all the lowest order physical body and
cells die, the individual center of consciousness and its monad
(soul) remains intact -- until it is forced by its karma to enter
into a new body at conception... Unless, as the Buddha pointed out,
the conscious soul, if previously enlightened (its karma transcended)
chooses to remain in the Nirvana state until the next cosmic cycle of
manifestation. The existence of the soul in this pre physical,
bodiless state, would not be much different than the dream state we
all experience when our body goes to sleep.... Except, I presume, it
could be much more real (but we can't wake up to avoid any monster
demons we have created.;-)
Naturally, all of that is deductive speculation, but it rests firmly
on the ABC model -- which itself, not only rests on unconditioned and
inert absolute space, but also could be the basis of all the recent
new physics such as as String, Membrane, Loop Quantum Gravity,
Quantum Graphity, Quantum Einstein Gravity, Holographic Paradigm,
etc., as well as the new paradigm of physics to come (when they are
all finally consolidated into a fundamental unified field theory of
everything).
Right now its all still a mathematical game, in which no one holds
the key to the mystery. But, I'm certain that once they all realize
the fundamental nature of the ubiquitous absolute space and its
inherent infinite cyclic angular momentum, along with its built in
holographic fractal nature -- they will come to a mutual agreement
about how this entire cosmos periodically comes in and out of
existence -- with each birth of the lowest order physical universe
(as it comes out of the womb of hyperspace) appearing as the result
of a "big bang." ;-))
Best Wishes,
Leon Maurer
http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13 (if all 7 illustrations do not
appear, click on "include review" button in left column)
http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/
>
> Rybo
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Rybo and Yanni,
Could it be that the problem in semantics you both have is not
recognizing the differences (and similarities) between "physical" and/
or "metaphysical," and "material" and/or "substantial"?
Material things are physical and objective but not metaphysical, yet
both physical and metaphysical things are substantial in one degree
or another. Therefore a BEC can be both physical and metaphysical --
but not necessarial material. For instance, a metaphysical hyperspace
field is not material, but is susbstantial (or objective)
Perhaps -- for a logical (rational) universe to forever remain one
thing-in-itself -- the actual causal progression of anything between
nothing and everything, could be:
1. Formless but not forceless (insubstantial) absolute space or Aether;
2. metaphysical (subtly substantial) nonmetric, higher order
(fractally involved) hyperspacetime radiant energy fields;
3. physical (less subtly substantial) metric spacetime radiant energy
fields, And
4. physical/material (grossly substantial or solid) mass-energy
standing wave concentrations and combinations (all inorganic and
organic forms or as Einstein said, "Ponderable matter").
Leon
'Energy is space in motion." - Einstein
"The (immaterial) fields of consciousness are coadunate but not
consubstantial." - Blavatsky
"The (phenomenal) consciousness and the matter are dependently
arising." - Buddha
"I and my Father are one." - Christ
"The Tao is an empty vessel; it is used, but never filled." - Lao Tsu
On Tue Oct 7, 2008 5:02 pm ((PDT)), "rybo6" rybo6@... os_jbug
wrote:
>
>
> Yanni, communication is dependent on having common agreements of
> definitions.
>
> Yanni, there are things existent as metaphysical and things existent
> as physical i.e. there is metaphysical existence and there is
> physical existence.
>
> I think you are hung on semantic, whatever that is.
>
> The problem is that do appear to be able to distinguish between
> things of metaphysical existence and the existence things of physical
> existence.
>
> You ask new questions but your responded to none of those I asked
> you.
>
> You gave contradictory statements also.
>
> If we both agree, that we accept there exist things we call physical
> aspects of universe, then gas, plasma, liquid and solid fall into
> that catagory.
>
> That appears to be simple conclusion to me.
>
> Rybo
> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:37 AM, yanniru@... wrote:
>
>>
>> Rybo,
>>
>> Do metaphysical things exist?
>>
>> I think you are hung up on semantics.
>>
>> Yanni
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:02 PM, John Clem wrote:
>>> Rybo, A BEC is just a state of a plasma, a gas, a liquid or a solid
>>> which could be either physical or not.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sorry Yanni, we appear to have a fundamental differrence of
>> definition here.
>>
>> In no way can a state of plasma, gas, liguid or a solid not be
>> considered as physical.
>>
>> Physical and metaphysical are the first generalized sub-
>> catagorizations of Universe with a capital "U".
>>
>> If we can not come to some aggreements on this then it will only make
>> all future communications more difficult.
>>
>> A gas can kill a person or make them laugh uncontrolably.
>>
>> Plasma can definitely kill any biological.
>>
>> Liguids also can kill or keep biologicals alive.
>>
>> Solids can have many varied affects on biologicals, so Yanni, please
>> do not try and tell me those four are not physical as you appear to
>> suggest at top of this message.
>>
>> Please try and explain yourself as that kind of statement makes no
>> sense to me.
>>
>> Its kinda of like people who say EM-radiation is not physical, oh
>> yeah
>> (!) well sit out naked in sun for a long enough time to burn some
>> skin and then have those people tell me how EM-Radiation is not
>> physical.
>>
>> Hey, have then stare into a bright sun, without protection, for even
>> shorter periods of time and then have them tell me that visibleEM-
>> radiation is not physical.
>>
>> I think you may get my drift here.
>>
>> If you want me to get yours, again, it will take a whole lot of
>> explaining, by you or someone, tho I doubt anyone can ever convince
>> me that those four, are in anyway, *not* physical.
>>
>> Sincerely, Rybo
>> P.S. more below but my tiime is almost out.
>>>
>>> Ultimately I believe everything is physical. But it is convenient to
>>> say that the known particles and forces are physical and the unknown
>>> particles and forces, are not physical.
>>>
>>
>> Well, if they exist, unknown to humans or not, then they are
>> physical.
>>
>> You should have stopped with statement, that, "ultimately I believe
>> everything is physical" is best answer you can give, excepting
>> everything that is metaphysical, then we can move on with reasonable
>> conversation.
>>
>> I gotta go now and hope you will respond to this physical and
>> metaphysical definning. I will try to make it to your links at next
>> opportunity.
>>
>> Rybo
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding propagation speeds being limited to less than the constant
>>> called the speed of light c, there is a wealth of superluminal
>>> theorires and some data.
>>>
>>> Here is a link describing data where a pulse of light leaves a cell
>>> filled with a gas of cesium atoms before it enters it:
>>> http://www.aip.org/pnu/2000/split/pnu495-2.htm
>>>
>>> And here is a general discussion of superluminal
>>> light:http://www.wbabin.net/science/faraj8.htm
>>>
>>> So not only can light be superluminal, it can actually jump ahead in
>>> time. Don't ask me how or why.
>>>
>>> Yanni
>>>
>>> --- In SPACETIMEandCONSCIOUSNESS@yahoogroups.com, rybo6 <rybo6@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok Yanni,
>>>>
>>>> "soul" is a micro "gas" mirror of the more metaphysical concept
>>>> of "lifes a gas". :--)
>>>>
>>>> I think it is incorrect to think of Bose-Einstein Condensate as
>>>> *not* be being physical i.e.
>>>>
>>>> "gas", liquids, matter, plasma are aspects of the finite physical
>>>> universe.
>>>>
>>>> Gas, liquids, matter and plasma are limited to propagation speeds
>>>> ergo they are not only pure, instantaneous, metaphysically
>>>> intellectual concepts of Universe.
>>>>
>>>> Rybo
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-- In NuclearStructure@yahoogroups.com, "Millennium Twain"
<yonibluestar@...> wrote:
those who have studied the foundations of
physics will know that Milo Wolff is one
of the best institutional physicists the
corporate world has to offer.
it appears, however, from the review written
by Dan below, that Milo has offered nothing
new, and has not explored any of the frontiers
of physics, of natural philosophy, viz. the
superluminal cosmos, the electromagnetic
structure of the atomic nucleus ... let alone
the spiritual awakening of Global Consciousness
and each of us as individuals to hear and
sing along with the cosmic deities and all
our relations ... to indeed sing creation
ourselves.
Milo's previous book, too, had nothing to
add to his original paper from 1993:
Milo Wolff, "Fundamental Laws, Microphysics,
and Cosmology," Physics Essays, V6N2, p 181-
which in fact was much more detailed and
informative than his later, and larger, book.
in Dan's review of Milo's work, he states
that Milo has done nothing more than suck up
to the immense covert Physics money/power
machine represented by the Planck/Schrodinger
et al gangster machine.
clearly, the aging Milo will do well in
marketing this one ...
Millennium Twain
http://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/ratbag_antiphysics_rag94.htmlhttp://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/ratbag_antiphysics_rag95.htmlhttp://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/ratbag_antiphysics_rag96.htmlhttp://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/ratbag_antiphysics_rag97.html
-- In amateurastronomyonline, "Daniel P Fitzpatrick Jr"
<zeusrdx> wrote:
Schrodinger's Universe:
http://www.amperefitz.com/schrodi.htm
the new book written by Dr. Milo Wolff ...
..
The quantum refers to a quantum of energy or - a quatum of action. In other
words, an amount of energy... the smallest amount of energy as far as we know.
Information (geometry) starts with the quantum. Existence starts with the
quantum. Before the quantum there is the Aether. There can be an aether without
quanta but there can be no quanta without an aether. The Aether is before matter
and it is dimensionless, like a point... yet, it contains the Universe.
Matter is dependent on the Higgs field (AKA aether), but not relative to it.
Things move in relation to other things, not in relation to the background. They
depend on the background as an energy supply, hence particle complementarity.
Particles emerge as needed or, as expected... as dictated by spacetime
conditions. The aether has a non-zero vacuum expectation value.
Aether -> Spirit -> Will -> Energy -> Matter = mc^2
--
Laurent
aether-is-one.com
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--- In quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, Penni Gould
<pgould3256@...> wrote:
>
> Drug research and other research is done on rats and mice because
for some reason their systems and physical responses and are alot
like those of humans. More than most other animals.
>
> Can you imagine what there was before the "big bang"? Maybe two
or more foreign universes (encased in membranes) crashing together
caused ours to be born! Maybe the dying and disintegration of a
universe (particles coming apart and forming "bubbles") caused the
birth of our new universe (saw this on the Science Channel!) Maybe
that's how all universes are born. Now we would have to imagine what
causes these phenomena and what existed before any of these universes
first existed. No matter how far back you go, there's always one
more unanswerable question. We'll never know it all.....
>
> Penni
Get ready for the new hadron accelerator!
>
> Tjipto Juwono <tjipto2000@...> wrote:
> --- In
quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, "Laurent Duchesne"
> > Science is Truth
>
> No,
> Science is the best approximation to the truth.
>
> > QED (quantum electrodynamics) is the most accurate theory to
date.
> > The proof is right in front of you, you are looking at it. How
were
> > we able to reproduce images with such fidelity if it wasn't
because
> > of our understanding of the photoelectric effect, optics and QED?
>
> But there are other less accurate theories.
>
> > The guys who built the Hubble telescope said - if we point this
> > telescope for a prolonged period of time we will be able to
observe
> > the universe as it was 14 billion years ago - they tried it and
it
> > worked, we got the pictures of galaxies still in formation to
prove
> > it!
>
> Science is still limited by its ability to observe. Things that
cannot
> be observed, cannot be part of science. We cannot observe things
from
> before the big bang, for instance.
>
> > In respect to evolution, why is the most reliable drug research
done
> > on rats?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Penni Gould
> Producer, Melange Theatre, "Live"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
--- In quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, "Tjipto Juwono"
<tjipto2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, "Laurent
Duchesne"
> > Science is Truth
>
> No,
> Science is the best approximation to the truth.
I didn't say is THE truth.
>
>
> > QED (quantum electrodynamics) is the most accurate theory to
date.
> > The proof is right in front of you, you are looking at it. How
were
> > we able to reproduce images with such fidelity if it wasn't
because
> > of our understanding of the photoelectric effect, optics and QED?
>
> But there are other less accurate theories.
>
>
> > The guys who built the Hubble telescope said - if we point this
> > telescope for a prolonged period of time we will be able to
observe
> > the universe as it was 14 billion years ago - they tried it and
it
> > worked, we got the pictures of galaxies still in formation to
prove
> > it!
>
> Science is still limited by its ability to observe. Things that
cannot
> be observed, cannot be part of science. We cannot observe things
from
> before the big bang, for instance.
>
> > In respect to evolution, why is the most reliable drug research
done
> > on rats?
> >
>
The primates are most closely related to hedgehogs, bats and rodents, in
about that order..
mac
.
.
.
Penni Gould wrote:
> All mammals share a common ancestor. But more recent than that, I don't
know!
>
> Tjipto Juwono <tjipto2000@...> wrote:
> --- Penni Gould <pgould3256@...> wrote:
>
>
>> Penni Gould <pgould3256@...> wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Penni Gould <pgould3256@...>
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Alternative Thinking] Re:
>> AETHER: The Physicalists' God
>> To: quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com,
>> tjipto200@...
>>
>> Drug research and other research is done on
>> rats and mice because for some reason their
>> systems and physical responses and are alot
>> like those of humans. More than most other
>> animals.
>>
>
> Yes, you are right.
>
> One question, though: does that mean that human
> and rats share a common ancestor?
>
>
>> Can you imagine what there was before the
>> "big bang"? Maybe two or more foreign
>> universes (encased in membranes) crashing
>> together caused ours to be born! Maybe the
>> dying and disintegration of a universe
>> (particles coming apart and forming "bubbles")
>> caused the birth of our new universe (saw this
>> on the Science Channel!) Maybe that's how all
>> universes are born. Now we would have to
>> imagine what causes these phenomena and what
>> existed before any of these universes first
>> existed. No matter how far back you go,
>> there's always one more unanswerable question.
>> We'll never know it all.....
>>
>
> Yes.
> One task of science is to turn our imagination
> into testable theories.
>
> Science is limited by what we can observe.
> But science also expands our ability to observe.
>
> --
> TJ
>
>
>
>
>
> Penni Gould
> Producer, Melange Theatre, "Live"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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All mammals share a common ancestor. But more recent than that, I don't know!
Tjipto Juwono <tjipto2000@...> wrote:
--- Penni Gould <pgould3256@...> wrote:
>
>
> Penni Gould <pgould3256@...> wrote:
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Penni Gould <pgould3256@...>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Alternative Thinking] Re:
> AETHER: The Physicalists' God
> To: quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com,
> tjipto200@...
>
> Drug research and other research is done on
> rats and mice because for some reason their
> systems and physical responses and are alot
> like those of humans. More than most other
> animals.
Yes, you are right.
One question, though: does that mean that human
and rats share a common ancestor?
>
> Can you imagine what there was before the
> "big bang"? Maybe two or more foreign
> universes (encased in membranes) crashing
> together caused ours to be born! Maybe the
> dying and disintegration of a universe
> (particles coming apart and forming "bubbles")
> caused the birth of our new universe (saw this
> on the Science Channel!) Maybe that's how all
> universes are born. Now we would have to
> imagine what causes these phenomena and what
> existed before any of these universes first
> existed. No matter how far back you go,
> there's always one more unanswerable question.
> We'll never know it all.....
Yes.
One task of science is to turn our imagination
into testable theories.
Science is limited by what we can observe.
But science also expands our ability to observe.
--
TJ
Penni Gould
Producer, Melange Theatre, "Live"
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--- Penni Gould <pgould3256@...> wrote:
>
>
> Penni Gould <pgould3256@...> wrote:
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Penni Gould <pgould3256@...>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Alternative Thinking] Re:
> AETHER: The Physicalists' God
> To: quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com,
> tjipto200@...
>
> Drug research and other research is done on
> rats and mice because for some reason their
> systems and physical responses and are alot
> like those of humans. More than most other
> animals.
Yes, you are right.
One question, though: does that mean that human
and rats share a common ancestor?
>
> Can you imagine what there was before the
> "big bang"? Maybe two or more foreign
> universes (encased in membranes) crashing
> together caused ours to be born! Maybe the
> dying and disintegration of a universe
> (particles coming apart and forming "bubbles")
> caused the birth of our new universe (saw this
> on the Science Channel!) Maybe that's how all
> universes are born. Now we would have to
> imagine what causes these phenomena and what
> existed before any of these universes first
> existed. No matter how far back you go,
> there's always one more unanswerable question.
> We'll never know it all.....
Yes.
One task of science is to turn our imagination
into testable theories.
Science is limited by what we can observe.
But science also expands our ability to observe.
--
TJ
Drug research and other research is done on rats and mice because for some
reason their systems and physical responses and are alot like those of humans.
More than most other animals.
Can you imagine what there was before the "big bang"? Maybe two or more
foreign universes (encased in membranes) crashing together caused ours to be
born! Maybe the dying and disintegration of a universe (particles coming apart
and forming "bubbles") caused the birth of our new universe (saw this on the
Science Channel!) Maybe that's how all universes are born. Now we would have to
imagine what causes these phenomena and what existed before any of these
universes first existed. No matter how far back you go, there's always one more
unanswerable question. We'll never know it all.....
Penni
Tjipto Juwono <tjipto2000@...> wrote:
--- In quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, "Laurent Duchesne"
> Science is Truth
No,
Science is the best approximation to the truth.
> QED (quantum electrodynamics) is the most accurate theory to date.
> The proof is right in front of you, you are looking at it. How were
> we able to reproduce images with such fidelity if it wasn't because
> of our understanding of the photoelectric effect, optics and QED?
But there are other less accurate theories.
> The guys who built the Hubble telescope said - if we point this
> telescope for a prolonged period of time we will be able to observe
> the universe as it was 14 billion years ago - they tried it and it
> worked, we got the pictures of galaxies still in formation to prove
> it!
Science is still limited by its ability to observe. Things that cannot
be observed, cannot be part of science. We cannot observe things from
before the big bang, for instance.
> In respect to evolution, why is the most reliable drug research done
> on rats?
>
Penni Gould
Producer, Melange Theatre, "Live"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- In quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, "Laurent Duchesne"
> Science is Truth
No,
Science is the best approximation to the truth.
> QED (quantum electrodynamics) is the most accurate theory to date.
> The proof is right in front of you, you are looking at it. How were
> we able to reproduce images with such fidelity if it wasn't because
> of our understanding of the photoelectric effect, optics and QED?
But there are other less accurate theories.
> The guys who built the Hubble telescope said - if we point this
> telescope for a prolonged period of time we will be able to observe
> the universe as it was 14 billion years ago - they tried it and it
> worked, we got the pictures of galaxies still in formation to prove
> it!
Science is still limited by its ability to observe. Things that cannot
be observed, cannot be part of science. We cannot observe things from
before the big bang, for instance.
> In respect to evolution, why is the most reliable drug research done
> on rats?
>
--- In quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, "Tjipto Juwono"
<tjipto2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, "Laurent"
> <cyberdyno@> wrote:
> >
> > How could God think or see with neither brains nor eyes?
> >
> > We are living in a time when uncertainty is widespread. A time
when
> >many are questioning current and mainstream dogma. Whether
Christian
> >or Muslim, Jewish or Hindu, many find no satisfaction, no
> >fulfillment. World population is ripe for change, for re-focusing.
> >Education needs to be re-directed at a worldwide scale. We need to
> >focus more on Science and less on Religion. We need to toss away
> >superstition and magic and stick to proven facts.
>
> What is religion? What is science?
> If all of scientific concepts in scriptures are deleted, maybe we
can
> really see the true message of religion.
>
> True religion should actually support science to work with its own
> method, to find that part of reality accessible to science. There is
> no conflict of interest there.
>
Science is Truth
QED (quantum electrodynamics) is the most accurate theory to date.
The proof is right in front of you, you are looking at it. How were
we able to reproduce images with such fidelity if it wasn't because
of our understanding of the photoelectric effect, optics and QED?
The guys who built the Hubble telescope said - if we point this
telescope for a prolonged period of time we will be able to observe
the universe as it was 14 billion years ago - they tried it and it
worked, we got the pictures of galaxies still in formation to prove
it!
In respect to evolution, why is the most reliable drug research done
on rats?
--- In quantumalternativethinking@yahoogroups.com, "Laurent"
<cyberdyno@...> wrote:
>
> How could God think or see with neither brains nor eyes?
>
> We are living in a time when uncertainty is widespread. A time when
>many are questioning current and mainstream dogma. Whether Christian
>or Muslim, Jewish or Hindu, many find no satisfaction, no
>fulfillment. World population is ripe for change, for re-focusing.
>Education needs to be re-directed at a worldwide scale. We need to
>focus more on Science and less on Religion. We need to toss away
>superstition and magic and stick to proven facts.
What is religion? What is science?
If all of scientific concepts in scriptures are deleted, maybe we can
really see the true message of religion.
True religion should actually support science to work with its own
method, to find that part of reality accessible to science. There is
no conflict of interest there.
How could God think or see with neither brains nor eyes?
We are living in a time when uncertainty is widespread. A time when many are
questioning current and mainstream dogma. Whether Christian or Muslim, Jewish or
Hindu, many find no satisfaction, no fulfillment. World population is ripe for
change, for re-focusing. Education needs to be re-directed at a worldwide scale.
We need to focus more on Science and less on Religion. We need to toss away
superstition and magic and stick to proven facts.
There is no Universal Consciousness nor Mind, God can neither think nor see
until it turns into brains with eyes. In this sense, we truly are God's
servants.
www.aether-is-one.com
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