Dear Group,

I am almost starting to get a handle on those mysterious new Iteration and
Colour
Formulas, I think. It's like having to learn Quat all over again.
A new image, 'Sea Shell'. INI included, it's a fast calculation in this case,
very small Z
value. (Interesting to play around with small Z values, I've only discovered
that
recently: it creates the etching-like effect in this image).
How is everyone doing?

PS  I still crave adulation, but will take "nice".

Aroha,

Charles

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charles_lips <lips@...>

Hi Charles,

It's good to see you've been busy making images. I haven't had much time
to play on the computer recently. I haven't even been home to check
email regularly! Oh well, I'm staying happy...

I downloaded your other images, but haven't had the chance to look at
them yet. I'm not sure what's wrong with the Yahoo system, but when I
link to your images, they come through as unknown entities that have to
be downloaded before I can look at them. I'm sure it has to do with some
detail in how the website is written. It's one of many details I don't
like about Yahoo's system... I will look at your images and comment on
them within a day or two. Thanks!


Charles/Marjolein Lips wrote:
>
> Dear Group,
>
> I am almost starting to get a handle on those mysterious new Iteration and
Colour
> Formulas, I think. It's like having to learn Quat all over again.
> A new image, 'Sea Shell'. INI included, it's a fast calculation in this case,
very small Z
> value. (Interesting to play around with small Z values, I've only discovered
that
> recently: it creates the etching-like effect in this image).
> How is everyone doing?
>
> PS  I still crave adulation, but will take "nice".
>
> Aroha,
>
> Charles
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                     Name: Sea Shell.ini
>    Sea Shell.ini    Type: Configuration Settings
(application/x-unknown-content-type-inifile)
>                 Encoding: quoted-printable

--
Sincerely,
Larry Berlin

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Dearest group,

A new image, 'Amulet', uploaded. Quite pleased with it, took ages to calculate
the
Z-buffer, and as long to play around with the colours.

Hiya Larry, good to hear from you again! Like this one?

Regards,

Charles

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Dearly beloved group,

I made myself another sea shell: 'Vanuatu Sea Shell', with gorgeous Quat
colours. I hope
you like it too; please react as I am having another lovely fruitful Quat
episode but am
feeling lonely. I am hoping we can inspire each other and have ourselves another
enjoyable
Quat group feast, which I remember so fondly.

Arohanui,

Charles

Charles writes:

> I made myself another sea shell: 'Vanuatu Sea Shell', with gorgeous
> Quat colours. I hope you like it too; please react as I am having
> another lovely fruitful Quat episode but am feeling lonely.

This is indeed a very gorgeous sea shell. The color formula really
works well. How long did it take you to get it just right? I am going
to play with this one a bit - different colors and in stereo of
course *{;-)

> hoping we can inspire each other and have ourselves another enjoyable
> Quat group feast, which I remember so fondly.

I have been too busy with other projects lately to do any Quat
playing. However my local pro lab is doing digital files to slides
for $7.50US each (I remember when these used to have cost $30.00US
each). I plan on doing a few large Quats in stereo and having them
put on slide film to include in my stereo shows.

David W. Kesner
Boise, Idaho, USA
drdave@...
http://www.dddphotography.com

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Ah David,

Good to hear from you mate!
It took me ages to get the colours right, but it was fun to do with this image.
I have
attached 4 other colour files I made for this image that didn't make the final
cut ... um,
I just decided to upload the Z-buffer so that you don't have to calculate the
thing, which
took my computer most of the day.

Did you see my other recent images? I'm hot!

What is this about slideshows? Tell me more.

Perhaps I should have another go at looking at the computer cross-eyed, I never
got the
hang of this stereo stuff.

I am starting to get some handle on these 'orbit' colour formulas, but still
have a lot to
discover. They are not intuitive to me, with the other formulas I have an
understanding of
what's going on(although there still are lots of surprises).I find myself
generally using
just one orbit expression, with 1 as the "variable". Dirk's long example formula
is beyond
me. I find myself often using a sort of 'test colour strip', just 6 primary
colours
without gradations, so I can see what the formula is doing with the colour band,
and where
the borders between colours lie.
I suppose math whizzes like Larry and Dirk do understand.
Them being so non-intuitive were actually a reason I had myself a Quat drought.

The x[n+1]=x[n]^p1-c formula (where you can define the four parameters) is also
very
interesting and challenging; again not easily understood, it's just more or less
systematic trial-and-error to explore different settings.

If you - or anyone - has understandings and discoveries about those colour and
iteration
formulas, do share them here!

Greetings and regards,

Charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "David W. Kesner" <drdave@...>
To: <quat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 14:22
Subject: Re: [quat] Vanuatu Sea Shell


> Charles writes:
>
> > I made myself another sea shell: 'Vanuatu Sea Shell', with gorgeous
> > Quat colours. I hope you like it too; please react as I am having
> > another lovely fruitful Quat episode but am feeling lonely.
>
> This is indeed a very gorgeous sea shell. The color formula really
> works well. How long did it take you to get it just right? I am going
> to play with this one a bit - different colors and in stereo of
> course *{;-)
>
> > hoping we can inspire each other and have ourselves another enjoyable
> > Quat group feast, which I remember so fondly.
>
> I have been too busy with other projects lately to do any Quat
> playing. However my local pro lab is doing digital files to slides
> for $7.50US each (I remember when these used to have cost $30.00US
> each). I plan on doing a few large Quats in stereo and having them
> put on slide film to include in my stereo shows.
>
> David W. Kesner
> Boise, Idaho, USA
> drdave@...
> http://www.dddphotography.com
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Hello Charles,

> It took me ages to get the colours right,

I thought it might. If it took you so long I am sure that it take me
10 times longer. You really seem to have a knack for getting great
color schemes.

> I have attached 4 other colour files I made for this image

I saved them, thanks.

> that didn't make the final cut ... um, I just decided to upload the
> Z-buffer so that you don't have to calculate the thing, which took my
> computer most of the day.

Thanks, that is a great help. Too bad you didn't render it as a
stereo z-buffer *{;-). The strange thing is that when I go to
download it (by right clicking the file name and doing a "save target
as") it reads the file as .zpn but will only save it as a .png. I
then have to go into the file manager and rename it, which works just
fine.

> Did you see my other recent images? I'm hot!

Yes, I have an entire folder on my computer with your images and
files.

> What is this about slideshows? Tell me more.

My main focus in life is stereo photography (just a hobby not a job).
I am very involved in all aspects of this including clubs,
international and local organizations, sharing images through postal
folios, entering international exhibitions, and just about everything
else. One of those things is doing projected stereo shows. This is
where you put on the polarizing glasses and see 3D on the screen.
Just like the new 3D Imax movies and such, but not the old anaglyph
red/blue glasses movies from the 50's.

> Perhaps I should have another go at looking at the computer
> cross-eyed, I never got the hang of this stereo stuff.

Definitely. It adds a whole new dimension to Quat images (pun
intended).

> The x[n+1]=x[n]^p1-c formula (where you can define the four
> parameters) is also very interesting and challenging;

Yes, this was a great improvement to Quat. I have had fun 'playing'
around with this. It sure does take a lot longer to render images
from this formula though.

> If you - or anyone - has understandings and discoveries about those
> colour and iteration formulas, do share them here!

I will try.

When I opened your z-buffer in Quat 1.1 it said that it was created
in a newer version. Is there an upgrade that I don't know about?

Thanks,

David W. Kesner
Boise, Idaho, USA
drdave@...
http://www.dddphotography.com

Hi David,

Well, I downloaded my Quat from Dirk's website
http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/phy11733/index_e.html and it is v1.11, so
have a look.

With these polarised glasses do you look at these colour-shifted single images
or two
stereo images? And say, I wouldn't mind seeing stereo Quats on those viewers I
used to
play with as a kid, what were they called again, you had to insert these round
cardboard
things with stereo slides on them. Have you made any of those?

Hope to see some new work soon David, get busy!

Fond regards,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "David W. Kesner" <drdave@...>
To: <quat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 1 March 2002 03:09
Subject: Re: [quat] Vanuatu Sea Shell


> Hello Charles,
>
> > It took me ages to get the colours right,
>
> I thought it might. If it took you so long I am sure that it take me
> 10 times longer. You really seem to have a knack for getting great
> color schemes.
>
> > I have attached 4 other colour files I made for this image
>
> I saved them, thanks.
>
> > that didn't make the final cut ... um, I just decided to upload the
> > Z-buffer so that you don't have to calculate the thing, which took my
> > computer most of the day.
>
> Thanks, that is a great help. Too bad you didn't render it as a
> stereo z-buffer *{;-). The strange thing is that when I go to
> download it (by right clicking the file name and doing a "save target
> as") it reads the file as .zpn but will only save it as a .png. I
> then have to go into the file manager and rename it, which works just
> fine.
>
> > Did you see my other recent images? I'm hot!
>
> Yes, I have an entire folder on my computer with your images and
> files.
>
> > What is this about slideshows? Tell me more.
>
> My main focus in life is stereo photography (just a hobby not a job).
> I am very involved in all aspects of this including clubs,
> international and local organizations, sharing images through postal
> folios, entering international exhibitions, and just about everything
> else. One of those things is doing projected stereo shows. This is
> where you put on the polarizing glasses and see 3D on the screen.
> Just like the new 3D Imax movies and such, but not the old anaglyph
> red/blue glasses movies from the 50's.
>
> > Perhaps I should have another go at looking at the computer
> > cross-eyed, I never got the hang of this stereo stuff.
>
> Definitely. It adds a whole new dimension to Quat images (pun
> intended).
>
> > The x[n+1]=x[n]^p1-c formula (where you can define the four
> > parameters) is also very interesting and challenging;
>
> Yes, this was a great improvement to Quat. I have had fun 'playing'
> around with this. It sure does take a lot longer to render images
> from this formula though.
>
> > If you - or anyone - has understandings and discoveries about those
> > colour and iteration formulas, do share them here!
>
> I will try.
>
> When I opened your z-buffer in Quat 1.1 it said that it was created
> in a newer version. Is there an upgrade that I don't know about?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David W. Kesner
> Boise, Idaho, USA
> drdave@...
> http://www.dddphotography.com
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Dear group (mainly David at the moment, I had contact with both Dirk and Larry
and they
are both extremely busy, too busy to make Quats, but they are monitoring the
list),

I thought it was time perhaps that the Quat Artist's Forum on Dirk's web page
were
updated. Dirk said that was fine but he didn't have the energy to spare right
now to do
that himself, and suggested some possible means to do that, which I don't know
enough to
understand (quote follows: "You could create an own forum, or take the pages
from
my site (if you want) and extend it. Then I could link to your site, or
something like that. I think I'll manage it to change one link. (But not more
- it's not only the time I don't have, it's also the lack of energy to do
intellectual work. Sometimes I feel like I had a swamp in my head these
days....)")
So, never mind the how for now, first some images are needed to represent Quat
in its
current full capacity. I hope that David especially, who should definitely be
represented
on Dirk's page, will come up with some new images to complement his old ones;
Larry too,
when he gets the time! I thought this might be a nice incentive for some group
creativity
in this period.

I am working on a new image, watch this space.

Arohanui,

Charles

Hi all!!!

I'm Miriana, I'm from Italy and I have 29 years old.
I love fractals programs very much, especially Quat 1.11 and I'm
finding parameters.

Can you help me tell me where I can find parameters?

Thanks... :)

Bye!

Miriana

Dear Miriana,

You should be able to find all the files ever posted on the Quat group site of
Yahoo!
groups. Look under 'Files', but also look through the 'Messages': the ones with
attachments will often be INI files or PNG thumbnails, both of which Quat can
read.
The group is a little quiet right now, some members are having a busy patch in
their
lives, I myself am working on a new quat at present but it is taking a lot of
tweaking and
time to get it right.
Looking forward to further contributions (and artwork) from you,

Greetings,

Charles (from Aotearoa - New Zealand)


----- Original Message -----
From: "xmarlene11" <dada_a@...>
To: <quat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2002 09:04
Subject: [quat] Hi all!!


> Hi all!!!
>
> I'm Miriana, I'm from Italy and I have 29 years old.
> I love fractals programs very much, especially Quat 1.11 and I'm
> finding parameters.
>
> Can you help me tell me where I can find parameters?
>
> Thanks... :)
>
> Bye!
>
> Miriana
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Quat (in older versions) used to have an icon. Does anybody still have one?
Thanks
Marcus

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Dear group,

I finally finished my project of the past several weeks: 'Inkwash Seashell'. It
was hard
to get it near to where I wanted it, I mucked around endlessly with the Bailout
settings.
Then lighting and colour, I tried everything. I rather like the current effect
(which
reminds me of ink falling in water, hence the name) but cannot say that I am
completely
happy with it. Then, of course, this may well be what Rembrandt used to feel.
Ah, sweet
agony of Art.

Still, I'd be curious to see if others could come up with alternatives, if any
of you feel
like it.
Developing it from (enclosed) INI took me a full day, because of the high
antialias.

Dirk, are you through your exams? How are you, still swamped in the head? Larry,
still too
busy to play?

Fondest regards,

Charles

Dear Marcus,

Here they are; I think that 'Quat.ico' may be a variation I made myself at the
time. The
other two were the icons of v0.92b.

Greetings,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "marcus rezende" <marcusadriana@...>
To: <quat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 10:09
Subject: [quat] Where is the ancient icon


> Quat (in older versions) used to have an icon. Does anybody still have one?
> Thanks
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Hi Charles and others tuned in...,

Your recent images have been very intriguing. Partially that's because
of a new formula you're playing with that didn't exist in earlier
versions. You're getting excellent results and it looks fun. The process
you describe is the inevitable 'way to learn'. Keep up the good work!

Charles/Marjolein Lips wrote:
>
> Dear group,
>
> I finally finished my project of the past several weeks: 'Inkwash Seashell'.
It was hard
> to get it near to where I wanted it, I mucked around endlessly with the
Bailout settings.
> Then lighting and colour, I tried everything. I rather like the current effect
(which
> reminds me of ink falling in water, hence the name) but cannot say that I am
completely
> happy with it. Then, of course, this may well be what Rembrandt used to feel.
Ah, sweet
> agony of Art.
>
> Still, I'd be curious to see if others could come up with alternatives, if any
of you feel
> like it.
> Developing it from (enclosed) INI took me a full day, because of the high
antialias.
>
> Dirk, are you through your exams? How are you, still swamped in the head?
Larry, still too
> busy to play?
>
> Fondest regards,
>
> Charles
> ..................


Sincerely,
Larry Berlin

Dear Larry,

Well, ARE you still too busy to play? Thanks for the kind words by the way.
Could you still be interested in a spot of programming on Quat? (Or was there
something
about an incompatible compiler or something?) I hope Dirk will have his head
free enough
soon to work up some interest in this one: at the top of my wishlist for Quat,
after
having played with these new formulas, would be the ability to construct my own.
I noted
that the v1.11 INIs refer to the in-built formulas by number, I had hoped I
could tweak
them there, but no. Do you think it would be an awful job to include that
option? You
know, with a small set of optional variables, like you can do in the colour
formulas?
Another one would be a lighting 'knob', where you can pull the lighting position
with your
mouse, with a button for front/back, like I have seen in some other programs. Or
even, the
ability to have more than one light, with different colours. But I don't want to
appear
greedy. Although I am. I can wait until Christmas.

Jingle bells,

Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Berlin" <lberlin@...>
To: <quat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 15:24
Subject: Re: [quat] Fun with seashells #3: 'Inkwash Seashell'


> Hi Charles and others tuned in...,
>
> Your recent images have been very intriguing. Partially that's because
> of a new formula you're playing with that didn't exist in earlier
> versions. You're getting excellent results and it looks fun. The process
> you describe is the inevitable 'way to learn'. Keep up the good work!
>
> Charles/Marjolein Lips wrote:
> >
> > Dear group,
> >
> > I finally finished my project of the past several weeks: 'Inkwash Seashell'.
It was
hard
> > to get it near to where I wanted it, I mucked around endlessly with the
Bailout
settings.
> > Then lighting and colour, I tried everything. I rather like the current
effect (which
> > reminds me of ink falling in water, hence the name) but cannot say that I am
completely
> > happy with it. Then, of course, this may well be what Rembrandt used to
feel. Ah,
sweet
> > agony of Art.
> >
> > Still, I'd be curious to see if others could come up with alternatives, if
any of you
feel
> > like it.
> > Developing it from (enclosed) INI took me a full day, because of the high
antialias.
> >
> > Dirk, are you through your exams? How are you, still swamped in the head?
Larry, still
too
> > busy to play?
> >
> > Fondest regards,
> >
> > Charles
> > ..................
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry Berlin
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Hi Charles,

I like all the ideas you mentioned!

Yes, it is possible for you to enter your own formulas, IF, and that's a
big IF, the programming code were written that would understand your
formula. That's where the complication lies. When you have the
opportunity to enter your own formulas, the entire realm of math comes
into play, and they all have to be accounted for inside the program
before it reads your formula. When it does read, it needs to understand
what you mean at each step.

It's been done before in other programs so we know it can be done. It
takes time because it's basically an extension of what's already written
and it's a complicated matter to integrate the new operation with the
existing code smoothly. It's a time consuming task, though one that can
be fun.

I don't know what the current compiler is and I don't have time to
explore what it takes to create a compatibility.

You mentioned wanting to 'tweak' the formulas that exist in the current
version. Here's how you could actually do it.

Obtain the right libraries and compiling tools, and feed it the current
code until it compiles and creates a new copy of the program. That's the
educational part.

Then you visit the places in the code where the formula is 'hard wired'
into the program by being written specifically in the program. Some
changes would be easy to make and would not create any problems when you
atttempt to compile the code again. It's much more involved than
selections in a pop up window, but it allows changes to the formula in
this program.

Of course I would recommend that you proceed slowly and make minor
changes only. Sometimes there may be several places in the code that
might be impacted by a change in how you write the formula. Thus major
changes have a chance of not working at all, unless you get lucky or
spend the time following all the loose strings of code till it's smooth
again.

It's relatively easy for Dirk because he has this code running inside
his head, but you and I might have to spend a lot of time getting
acquainted with where things are. There is logic to the process though
and through patience you could be rewarded with a new career! ;)

Thanks for the pictures!



Charles/Marjolein Lips wrote:
>
> Dear Larry,
>
> Well, ARE you still too busy to play? Thanks for the kind words by the way.
> Could you still be interested in a spot of programming on Quat? (Or was there
something
> about an incompatible compiler or something?) I hope Dirk will have his head
free enough
> soon to work up some interest in this one: at the top of my wishlist for Quat,
after
> having played with these new formulas, would be the ability to construct my
own. I noted
> that the v1.11 INIs refer to the in-built formulas by number, I had hoped I
could tweak
> them there, but no. Do you think it would be an awful job to include that
option? You
> know, with a small set of optional variables, like you can do in the colour
formulas?
> Another one would be a lighting 'knob', where you can pull the lighting
position with your
> mouse, with a button for front/back, like I have seen in some other programs.
Or even, the
> ability to have more than one light, with different colours. But I don't want
to appear
> greedy. Although I am. I can wait until Christmas.
>
> Jingle bells,
>
> Charles
> ..............


Sincerely,
Larry Berlin

Hey Larry,

Nice to hear from you, and thanks for the explanations and suggestion. I don't
know the
first thing about programming, not even enough to judge how big a task it would
be to do
what you suggested; and I don't think I am interested at the moment in
committing to
learning how. Hmm. Hopefully Dirk will experience a renewed enthusiasm; if you
yourself
ever do follow up on your ideas, I'd love you to send me a tweaked Quat version
to
test-drive a new formula or two. In the meantime I'll just play with what is
there.

Not a propos of anything, but I've just come across a rather nice and different
fractal
proggie, 'Mage', check it out on http://www.dreamnation.co.uk/mage/  .

Greetings to you and all around,

Charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Berlin" <lberlin@...>
To: <quat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 10:41
Subject: Re: [quat] Fun with seashells #3: 'Inkwash Seashell'


> Hi Charles,
>
> I like all the ideas you mentioned!
>
> Yes, it is possible for you to enter your own formulas, IF, and that's a
> big IF, the programming code were written that would understand your
> formula. That's where the complication lies. When you have the
> opportunity to enter your own formulas, the entire realm of math comes
> into play, and they all have to be accounted for inside the program
> before it reads your formula. When it does read, it needs to understand
> what you mean at each step.
>
> It's been done before in other programs so we know it can be done. It
> takes time because it's basically an extension of what's already written
> and it's a complicated matter to integrate the new operation with the
> existing code smoothly. It's a time consuming task, though one that can
> be fun.
>
> I don't know what the current compiler is and I don't have time to
> explore what it takes to create a compatibility.
>
> You mentioned wanting to 'tweak' the formulas that exist in the current
> version. Here's how you could actually do it.
>
> Obtain the right libraries and compiling tools, and feed it the current
> code until it compiles and creates a new copy of the program. That's the
> educational part.
>
> Then you visit the places in the code where the formula is 'hard wired'
> into the program by being written specifically in the program. Some
> changes would be easy to make and would not create any problems when you
> atttempt to compile the code again. It's much more involved than
> selections in a pop up window, but it allows changes to the formula in
> this program.
>
> Of course I would recommend that you proceed slowly and make minor
> changes only. Sometimes there may be several places in the code that
> might be impacted by a change in how you write the formula. Thus major
> changes have a chance of not working at all, unless you get lucky or
> spend the time following all the loose strings of code till it's smooth
> again.
>
> It's relatively easy for Dirk because he has this code running inside
> his head, but you and I might have to spend a lot of time getting
> acquainted with where things are. There is logic to the process though
> and through patience you could be rewarded with a new career! ;)
>
> Thanks for the pictures!
>
>
>
> Charles/Marjolein Lips wrote:
> >
> > Dear Larry,
> >
> > Well, ARE you still too busy to play? Thanks for the kind words by the way.
> > Could you still be interested in a spot of programming on Quat? (Or was
there
something
> > about an incompatible compiler or something?) I hope Dirk will have his head
free
enough
> > soon to work up some interest in this one: at the top of my wishlist for
Quat, after
> > having played with these new formulas, would be the ability to construct my
own. I
noted
> > that the v1.11 INIs refer to the in-built formulas by number, I had hoped I
could
tweak
> > them there, but no. Do you think it would be an awful job to include that
option? You
> > know, with a small set of optional variables, like you can do in the colour
formulas?
> > Another one would be a lighting 'knob', where you can pull the lighting
position with
your
> > mouse, with a button for front/back, like I have seen in some other
programs. Or even,
the
> > ability to have more than one light, with different colours. But I don't
want to
appear
> > greedy. Although I am. I can wait until Christmas.
> >
> > Jingle bells,
> >
> > Charles
> > ..............
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry Berlin
>
>
>
>
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>
>

Dear group,

A variation on Inkwash Seashell: 'Blood Shell'. Based on the same colour
formula,
different colours and a slightly tweaked formula. I rather like it, and it sort
of
complements the effect of Inkwash, I feel happier about it now (as you will be
relieved to
hear). I've attached the COL file, also decided to upload the image, which I
wondered
might be too much of a good thing but then no-one else at the moment is taking
up much
space so I thought what the hell. Eh.
Not that I do not respect that people have other things going on in their lives
besides
playing with Quat; I do. Some would even regard this as a sign of balance.
Although I do
not necessarily subscribe to such a view, and even so what is so really, you
know, cool
about balance, balance gets bandied about a lot nowadays, in a careless manner,
but I
would say to those people, as I have said before in this forum, and I will say
it again,
if issues like work, family, friends, the whole gamut of physical endeavours
some get up
to, and I could go on, if such things get in the way of one playing with Quat
should one
not then re-examine one's priorities in life. I think one should. This is just
one view,
but it happens to be mine, and as such I will state it, as I have, just now,
above, if not
beyond, and with no intention to offend people of different creeds even though I
might
think privately these might be jolly silly sorts of creeds, and I am glad I got
this off
my chest and out in the open, as I am sure you all are. Look into your hearts.

Incoherent regards,

Charles

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Dear group,

Uploaded by your hard-working Quat rep in New Zealand, 'Death and Life', an
old-fashioned
Quat.
Enjoy!

Love,

Charles

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Stop bugging me with advertisers mails.
I love quat but I'm through with them coming in the same address of Quat.
Marcus Rezende

Marcus Rezende writes:

> Stop bugging me with advertisers mails.
> I love quat but I'm through with them coming in the same address of
> Quat.

Unfortunately Quat is an open group meaning that anyone can join
without being approved or moderated. This then means that advertisers
and spammers can join and use the group to send junk mail.

Unless the group owner changes this to a closed list we will continue
to receive more and more of this type of mail.

I will also have to either quit the group or set my prefferences to
web only mail and check it when I have the time if this continues.

David W. Kesner
Boise, Idaho, USA
drdave@...
http://www.dddphotography.com

> > Stop bugging me with advertisers mails.

Yes! Where do all these mails come from suddenly? It was good for a long
time, and now...

Once, when it was an egroups service, there has been an email address where
spam could be forwarded to. They said they would locate the sender and stop
delivering such mail.

I don't know if there's something similar with Yahoo... (I don't know much
about the service...)

> Unfortunately Quat is an open group [...]

In general, I wouldn't say "unfortunately". But with respect to spam it's a
disadvantage. I'll look whether there are other possibilities to stop spam.

Yours,
Dirk Meyer.

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