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Re: [radio-dev] static servers

Kate, we came to a similar conclusion. We are switching the static server --
to Windows NT 4.

Here's why. We have a system that was doing nothing called Nirvana2. We had
removed it from Exodus a few months ago to make room for another box. It was
the server that ran My.UserLand.Com. It's already seasoned, taken a lot of
hits, and we know how to admin it. It also can be seen by all the other
servers we have, which is where we got caught on Linux, we have two subnets
at Exodus, and the Linux server is only visible on one of the subnets. We
spent two full days trying to get it visible on the other subnet. There
surely is a way to do it, because Bierman was able to do it, but Jake,
Lawrence and myself and a half-dozen volunteers couldn't figure out how. We
gave up on that last night. (And then as a detour thought that the static
server we were using had been hacked, it's pretty clear it hasn't.)

But we don't want to run IIS. No one here knows how to admin that, and
further all our config files and processes are built around Apache. So we're
going to run Apache 2.0 on Windows.

We thought about FreeBSD (no experience) and Mac OS X (we have a spare cube)
but opted for tried-and-true. This is a very unglamorous but important
machine, it's like our community's printer. We're also upgrading the drive
to 100GB so we can grow the base of content.

Dave



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From: "masukomi" <masukomi@...>
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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: [radio-dev] static servers


> considering all the problems you're having might it be time to consider
> switching them to openBSD ?
> I don't mean this from the "oh bsd is so amazing and linux sucks"
> standpoint, as I like both, I mean it from the standpoint that it's
> unquestionably the most secure OS on the planet and considering how many
> people are relying on the static servers wouldn't it make sense to make
them
> as secure as possible?
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considering all the problems you're having might it be time to consider switching them to openBSD ? I don't mean this from the "oh bsd is so amazing and linux...
masukomi
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May 3, 2002
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... Or at least Debian stable, leveraging the Linux experience without losing much, if any, of the security. I agree in general, though; not trying to flamewar...
Jeremy Bowers
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May 3, 2002
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OpenBSD is NOT "unquestionably the most secure OS on the planet". This is factually incorrect. Unless it can be said that openBSD (and/or Debian) has NEVER...
jt
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May 4, 2002
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... Entirely true. The security of an OS depends on the experience of the admin with that OS. An openbsd machine adminned by me would probably crack fast,...
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May 4, 2002
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I can't agree more, with all you said Rahul. I've been meaning to fire up the old blog (but can't see much point to a blog that has maybe one or two posts per...
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May 5, 2002
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Kate, we came to a similar conclusion. We are switching the static server -- to Windows NT 4. Here's why. We have a system that was doing nothing called...
Dave Winer
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May 4, 2002
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... This is a good call. Apache on Windows is pretty good, without all the "here, own my box!" "features" of IIS. If you're concerned about security on NT, a...
Faisal Jawdat
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May 4, 2002
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Faisal, Rahul Sorry... I just saw these early this evening. Thanks for the replies. I'm just now getting around to eating and will probably be retiring...
jt
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May 5, 2002
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I Stand corrected or... sit corrected. I agree about an os only being as secure as it's admins and users, but I think that with a co as small as userland, and...
masukomi
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May 5, 2002
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... True, just an example. Here's another one: as long as companies (in general, not UserLand) hire scum for programmers and admins, a "secure OS" is a...
jt
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... Curious, jt, who wants to pay for OS/400? The BigCos, maybe? WebSphere Commerece Suite Pro Edition for AS/400 V4.1 is priced at $10k to $120k. WebSphere...
robert@...
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... There is one issue with this: the track record is based on "nothing reported for which we had not already released a patch" - if you find a hole in the...
Faisal Jawdat
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Hi, Faisel! ... One has to place the blame where it belongs, not on the OS, but at the feet of the system administrator. The patches have to be applied. ...
robert@...
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... Yes, but one could hope for a system that doesn't have to be constantly patched, or makes it easy when it does. One of the things that OpenBSD does right...
Faisal Jawdat
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May 5, 2002
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you know, this may quite possibly be the first recorded incident of a "you should use this os" or "this os is better" on a mailing list that hasn't quickly...
masukomi
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May 5, 2002
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... Mebbe you're speaking too soon... I don't think so, though. I'm half-way through a response, but Sleep Apnea's gotten the better of me, and things to do...
jt
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May 5, 2002
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... If Userland's game, I'd help. I (shhh!!!) enjoy that sort of thing, but don't get to do it often, legally. And I know better then to do it illegally!...
Jeremy Bowers
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May 5, 2002
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I'm huffed. But I will post a quick reply to say I'd be VERY interested in this, but probably of limited help. Never done this sort-a thing (and look dumb ...
jt
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Of course we support it, as long as you guys keep the white hats on. ;-> Dave ... From: "Jeremy Bowers" <jerf@...> To: <radio-dev@yahoogroups.com> Sent:...
Dave Winer
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