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Re: [renewable-energy] Re: The true cost of grid v. solar/wind power


You know LaMar,

So now that your math is challenged, you resort to untrue personal
attracts. So much for a exchange of information regarding alternate energy
sources.

Everyone on this planet designs the entire built world on the AC power
supply created by the infrastructure of all the nations of the world. To call
the "conventional grid" it is the ONLY power supply we have that actually
works on a large scale. You are living in denial if you think that your
alternative energy plan will work flat out. IT WON'T.

So, in the real world, people use the resources of this great country to
power cool things like the Internet in which we are talking to each other.
If you truly want to be off grid, then get off it. Stop relying on this
"conventional" communication system that you so hate.

The only grudge I have is against people who refuses to stand on their own
two feet to pay for the things that they want in their lives. Anyone who
thinks they are owed something from the government to "Make the world a
better place" cares little about the people of this country.

If you are pushing your representative to pass the cap and trade taxation,
you are asking for the destruction of this country. My industry in
particular will be destroyed. But you don't care about that. You would rather
see people live like the Amish as long as you get a free ride to do it.

I'm over this group. It is people like you and the Government who thinks
they can dictate policy instead of maintain a republic form of government as
REQUIRED by the United States Constitution that make me sick!

I was willing to keep an open mind in helping your industry assimilate into
the real world, but with the Cap And Trade bill that wasn't even assembled
on the house of Representatives speaker's desk at the time of the vote,
you all give me now choice but to opposed everything you stand for.

You've picked a fight with the good American people and we won't take it
sitting down!

By the way, I'm not just a home designer, I'm an Architect who knows
exactly what you can and cannot do on the grid with the technology of today.
Apparently YOU DON'T.

As for my clients, I don't have any that are also Architects, so none of
them design their projects themselves. So I don't know what the hell you
are talking about. I do know that you are the ruddiest SOB I've ever met on
any of these informational chats. You consistently debase people who give
you accurate data regarding your misinformation. You refuse to learn from
your mistakes and you are no friend of the American People. You are out
for yourself on your little plot of property out in the middle of nowhere who
can't keep his mind off the world wide web - obviously seeking
companionship from the real world. So, when you hitch up your horses and come
to town,
you will see us regular folks who know the facts and are trying to live
within our means.

Donna

In a message dated 7/2/2009 3:44:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lamar5292@... writes:

Th costs and math are accurate and can be verified by anyone willing to
contact their utility company and get hook up costs for new utility lines.

You have already identified yourself as an out of work conventional grid
home designer who has a grudge against people not wanting to use your
services and do it for themselves. Nuff said!

LaMar
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Lamar, Please contact me @ _www.offgridsolar@..._ (http://www.offgridsolar@...) . I am not selling anything at all. I would just like to contact you...
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You know LaMar, So now that your math is challenged, you resort to untrue personal attracts. So much for a exchange of information regarding alternate energy ...
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Jul 6, 2009
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BLAH BLAH BLAH! If it can't be done how do you explain all the people around the world doing it ? Your looking for an excuse and trying to convince people to...
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Jul 23, 2009
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LOL, Lamar even YOU are not doing it. What's renewable about the Fossil Fuels you use for the MAJORITY of your energy needs in your TINY 14x14 cabin? The fact...
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ARDOUCETTE- Apparently you read only what you want and make up the rest. Most off-gridders use propane for large appliances because it is cheap and widely...
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Lamar, LOL, you say most off-gridders use propane because its cheap and available. True, but the SAME could be said about users of electricity off the grid. ...
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Lamar, Harsh words for this group. Not everyone knows the complete benefits of being off grid. They don't understand because of the way we were taught. We...
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Jul 6, 2009
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The gas price has 9/10 cent because the dealers can get almost another cent per gallon. Consumers don't balk because it's less than a penny. Frank ...
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Jul 23, 2009
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Sorry for harsh words group! just get tired of a few people in the group that is trying to discuss and learn about alternative energy attacking the very people...
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LOL...Lamar, "free" is the key word here. My wife gets her vacation check later this month, and we intend to use it to get our first HF panel kit, then since...
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Jul 23, 2009
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Hey wolfman, you know i and others have your back and will support you anyway we can! LaMar www.simplesolarhomesteading.com...
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Lamar, These guys really get to you all the time. Please don't get upset. **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! ...
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Theres always a few idiots in a group that want to push their political agenda instead of learning and discussing what the topic the group is set for. It is my...
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Lamar, You are right again but I know that a 100% electric home has a huge draw of electric power over a home that uses natural gas appliances. My home...
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I know humidity and heat is an issue where you are and you might consider a passive air roof turbine and vents on cool side of house or in floor to reduce ac...
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Arthur, Are you a banker, oil guy, investor or invested in electric utility? Arthur just think about this. How much money have you spent on electric power over...
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Nope, I'm a software designer and I work from my home. I pay for gas and electricity like everyone else and would always like to figure out to pay less. As...
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Aug 31, 2009
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Ard, I looked at your solar calculator and you are missing some very important components. Grid connection for new homes is very costly and must be included in...
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Sep 8, 2009
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Lamar, In the Off Grid version of the Calculator, cell F-181 is the Monthly Connection Fee for electrical service. (In my area, there is no separate Monthly...
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Sep 17, 2009
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LaMar: Just a thought, one of the things that Arthur stated was that for him, the numbers did not add up and that he set up the calculator for his situation. ...
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Sep 17, 2009
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Thanks for looking at this rationally. By the way, the PV Cost calculator does include a place to input a Monthly Service fee, if your electric company charges...
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Thank you Michael, Just to correct a point- even when you buy a home already connected to the grid you are paying for that connection. The cost was included in...
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Sep 23, 2009
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Solarman: I understand that cost of connecting to the grid is intrinsically associated with a home and that you don't escape that cost if you buy an existing...
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Sep 25, 2009
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Yes Michael but you are avoiding the fact that new homes are built everyday and the home owner and builder now has the option of using grid, grid tied or an...
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Oct 2, 2009
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Art, I have been watching your post and have not responded to your attacks to Lamar. Art it seems that you are one that does not want change. Your last attack...
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Lamar, No one wants to argue with pure good logic. But we have been told all our lives that the only way to get electric power is to buy it form a company that...
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Sep 25, 2009
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... Somehow there really hasn't been a real look at history here. This concept of electrical grid is actually quite new!! As late as the 1920's there still ...
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Oct 13, 2009
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Very true, and right now our children are being taught in school and through the media that the grid is a good thing and should be our only power connection. ...
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Oct 20, 2009
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I call BS on this entire post by Lamar. I've been all over the St George city council meetings and NADA to support anything like this story that Lamar spins. ...
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ASd once again you prove yourself incapable of understanding or even reading posts completely! I very specifically said it was the school district and one...
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