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Re: [renewable-energy] Re: The true cost of grid v. solar/wind power

Lamar, Harsh words for this group. Not everyone knows the complete benefits
of being off grid. They don't understand because of the way we were
taught. We still look at gas prices and never wonder why 9/10 of a penny. I
asked
the EIA about that one. No one knows why it is like that. Well not too
many people can see the benefits of being 100% off grid. I understand your
point of view. I also know people will fight you all the way because they
really think they have to pay for electric power. They think net metering is
the way to go. Well the truth be known net metering can be a problem. Simple
when the grid is not operating the people net metering have to shut down.
If they don't the grid still has electric power and can kill a line worker.
But not everyone knows these facts. They think that the grid is the only
solution. The smart grid is going to stimulate jobs which is not true. Sure
there may be some new jobs but when the smart grid us up and running; the
jobs will go away again. We need to forget about short term work. I hate the
say this but this also is true for solar and wind projects. Once they are
done, that's it. But wind has more promise. Wind generators break down a
lot. No one is talking about thermal systems. Not solar thermal, but earth
thermal. We use a lot of energy for heating and cooling. Shallow thermal
systems can keep even the worst air leaking home more stable than a electric
furnace or a heating oil furnace. I have been told that 40% of our energy uses
is for heating and 30% for cooling. It is simple shallow trenches water
tight large PV and pump the air into the air handlers of the home or
building, office or what have you. The best way to save money on gas is not to
drive so much. Plan your trips and reduce your time driving. Simple but for
some reason we need to drive for stupid reasons. I can not talk about some of
the products that are coming soon. Sure some are dumb but some are great for
everyone. Lamar I fully agree with you. Some people just don't understand.
Instead they want to put you down or even worse argue over dumb things. I
see your home as a sustainable life style. It may not have water fountains,
and pools but it is your home. I respect that. I also respect what you do
by educating others on how to live within their means. Some people here
have $650.00 a month electric bills. They want the sure fix solution now and
it must be cheap or cost affective. They are looking for ROI's and not
really looking at not having a electric bill for 25 more years. Investors look
here to see if something is worthwhile to invest in. My answer to them is
invest in your self. Lamar did! See what I mean? I just see no purpose
hammering each other via e-mails.
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Lamar, LOL, you say most off-gridders use propane because its cheap and available. True, but the SAME could be said about users of electricity off the grid. ...
ardoucette
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Aug 19, 2009
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Lamar, Harsh words for this group. Not everyone knows the complete benefits of being off grid. They don't understand because of the way we were taught. We...
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Jul 6, 2009
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The gas price has 9/10 cent because the dealers can get almost another cent per gallon. Consumers don't balk because it's less than a penny. Frank ...
Frank Leslie
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Jul 23, 2009
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Sorry for harsh words group! just get tired of a few people in the group that is trying to discuss and learn about alternative energy attacking the very people...
lamar5292
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Jul 31, 2009
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LOL...Lamar, "free" is the key word here. My wife gets her vacation check later this month, and we intend to use it to get our first HF panel kit, then since...
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Jul 23, 2009
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Hey wolfman, you know i and others have your back and will support you anyway we can! LaMar www.simplesolarhomesteading.com...
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Lamar, These guys really get to you all the time. Please don't get upset. **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! ...
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Theres always a few idiots in a group that want to push their political agenda instead of learning and discussing what the topic the group is set for. It is my...
lamar5292
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Aug 12, 2009
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Lamar, You are right again but I know that a 100% electric home has a huge draw of electric power over a home that uses natural gas appliances. My home...
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Aug 19, 2009
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I know humidity and heat is an issue where you are and you might consider a passive air roof turbine and vents on cool side of house or in floor to reduce ac...
lamar5292
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Aug 31, 2009
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Arthur, Are you a banker, oil guy, investor or invested in electric utility? Arthur just think about this. How much money have you spent on electric power over...
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Nope, I'm a software designer and I work from my home. I pay for gas and electricity like everyone else and would always like to figure out to pay less. As...
ardoucette
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Aug 31, 2009
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Ard, I looked at your solar calculator and you are missing some very important components. Grid connection for new homes is very costly and must be included in...
lamar5292
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Sep 8, 2009
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Lamar, In the Off Grid version of the Calculator, cell F-181 is the Monthly Connection Fee for electrical service. (In my area, there is no separate Monthly...
ardoucette
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Sep 17, 2009
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LaMar: Just a thought, one of the things that Arthur stated was that for him, the numbers did not add up and that he set up the calculator for his situation. ...
Michael
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Sep 17, 2009
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Thanks for looking at this rationally. By the way, the PV Cost calculator does include a place to input a Monthly Service fee, if your electric company charges...
ardoucette
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Sep 23, 2009
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Thank you Michael, Just to correct a point- even when you buy a home already connected to the grid you are paying for that connection. The cost was included in...
solarman
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Sep 23, 2009
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Solarman: I understand that cost of connecting to the grid is intrinsically associated with a home and that you don't escape that cost if you buy an existing...
Michael
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Sep 25, 2009
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Yes Michael but you are avoiding the fact that new homes are built everyday and the home owner and builder now has the option of using grid, grid tied or an...
solarman
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Oct 2, 2009
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Art, I have been watching your post and have not responded to your attacks to Lamar. Art it seems that you are one that does not want change. Your last attack...
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Lamar, No one wants to argue with pure good logic. But we have been told all our lives that the only way to get electric power is to buy it form a company that...
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Sep 25, 2009
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... Somehow there really hasn't been a real look at history here. This concept of electrical grid is actually quite new!! As late as the 1920's there still ...
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Oct 13, 2009
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Very true, and right now our children are being taught in school and through the media that the grid is a good thing and should be our only power connection. ...
solarman
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Oct 20, 2009
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I call BS on this entire post by Lamar. I've been all over the St George city council meetings and NADA to support anything like this story that Lamar spins. ...
ardoucette
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Oct 25, 2009
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ASd once again you prove yourself incapable of understanding or even reading posts completely! I very specifically said it was the school district and one...
solarman
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Nov 3, 2009
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Lamar, I claim your post about the school having to remove the PV system because of the Power Company is BS and write: "So Lamar, let's see something...
ardoucette
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Nov 6, 2009
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OK, If off grid is done right you have no need for a back-up generator. Simple. Off-Grid applications have been around longer than home installed systems. Look...
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Oct 2, 2009
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Lamar, Again you are letting them get your goat. Why bother? There are many people that don't understand off grid at all. They think wires are the only way to...
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Oct 13, 2009
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I bother because he is using my topic post to spread bad information and accusing me of misleading people. I take that personally and that is why I will keep...
solarman
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Oct 20, 2009
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Arthur, Do you not know of any off grid systems in use today? Would you like to see photos of off grid applications. These off grid systems have been in use...
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