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Re: The true cost of grid v. solar/wind power- now smart grid!

Wrong again Lamar.

You stated:

"Still going on protecting your precious grid power ARD ?
You better do some real investigating and research as over 80% of US power comes
from dirty coal generators"


So you said "US POWER", not ELECTRICAL power.

But it hardly matters since you were wrong in either case.

Only 50% of our Electrical power comes from coal.

Only 23% of our total power comes from coal.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epaxlfilees1.pdf

Oh, and there is no movement off the grid.

The VAST majority of new homes are grid connected.

Arthur


--- In renewable-energy@yahoogroups.com, "solarman" <lamar5292@...> wrote:
>
> Ard, you need to start actually reading posts before you argue that people are
wrong!
>
> I stated that over 80% of grid electricity comes from dirty coal power plants
and you just supplied the data that proves it.
>
> Grid power does not come from oil. You are giving national energy use profiles
and not data for grid electricity. Don't try to confuse people by using
incorrect data for non grid power as support (thats called lying).
>
> I have never said there will not be a grid but the grid of the future is not
what you have now and it going to cost YOU as a grid owner to pay for the
changes that are coming!
>
> Read these articles and then tell me you will have cheap grid electricity in
the future. Smart people are getting off the grid before the rates skyrocket and
grid homes are forced to use less power or pay higher rates.
>





Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:25 pm

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Ard, you need to start actually reading posts before you argue that people are wrong! I stated that over 80% of grid electricity comes from dirty coal power...
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Wrong again Lamar. You stated: "Still going on protecting your precious grid power ARD ? You better do some real investigating and research as over 80% of US...
ardoucette
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Nov 12, 2009
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Every post you make about the grid is wrong Lamar. Try doing some research before you post. While it is true that not a large percent of our Electric power...
ardoucette
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Nov 12, 2009
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What a crock Lamar. I never once disputed the fact that if it costs you a lot to connect to the Grid that that doesn't make generating your own power more cost...
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Sep 25, 2009
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you want to talk about a crock Ard! You just said and I quote "Even your own power company only charges $30 to connect and has no monthly connection fee, just...
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Except that was the SHORT version Lamar. In an EARLIER post about your power company I mentioned the difference between a turn on fee and a grid connection...
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Once again you have pulled your own covers of ignorance Ard! Those are monthly use and service fees not the CONNECTION fee. If you want a grid connection for a...
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Lamar, Can't you READ? See the last line of my post: "They also have a Line Extension Policy, which covers people who aren't close to existing lines, and they...
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Lamar, I took your advice, but I called YOUR power company. From your address on your web site your power company would be the Moon Lake Electric Assn which...
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Lamar, Please contact me @ _www.offgridsolar@..._ (http://www.offgridsolar@...) . I am not selling anything at all. I would just like to contact you...
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You know LaMar, So now that your math is challenged, you resort to untrue personal attracts. So much for a exchange of information regarding alternate energy ...
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BLAH BLAH BLAH! If it can't be done how do you explain all the people around the world doing it ? Your looking for an excuse and trying to convince people to...
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LOL, Lamar even YOU are not doing it. What's renewable about the Fossil Fuels you use for the MAJORITY of your energy needs in your TINY 14x14 cabin? The fact...
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ARDOUCETTE- Apparently you read only what you want and make up the rest. Most off-gridders use propane for large appliances because it is cheap and widely...
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Lamar, LOL, you say most off-gridders use propane because its cheap and available. True, but the SAME could be said about users of electricity off the grid. ...
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Lamar, Harsh words for this group. Not everyone knows the complete benefits of being off grid. They don't understand because of the way we were taught. We...
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The gas price has 9/10 cent because the dealers can get almost another cent per gallon. Consumers don't balk because it's less than a penny. Frank ...
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Sorry for harsh words group! just get tired of a few people in the group that is trying to discuss and learn about alternative energy attacking the very people...
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LOL...Lamar, "free" is the key word here. My wife gets her vacation check later this month, and we intend to use it to get our first HF panel kit, then since...
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Hey wolfman, you know i and others have your back and will support you anyway we can! LaMar www.simplesolarhomesteading.com...
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Lamar, These guys really get to you all the time. Please don't get upset. **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! ...
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Theres always a few idiots in a group that want to push their political agenda instead of learning and discussing what the topic the group is set for. It is my...
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Lamar, You are right again but I know that a 100% electric home has a huge draw of electric power over a home that uses natural gas appliances. My home...
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I know humidity and heat is an issue where you are and you might consider a passive air roof turbine and vents on cool side of house or in floor to reduce ac...
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Arthur, Are you a banker, oil guy, investor or invested in electric utility? Arthur just think about this. How much money have you spent on electric power over...
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Nope, I'm a software designer and I work from my home. I pay for gas and electricity like everyone else and would always like to figure out to pay less. As...
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Ard, I looked at your solar calculator and you are missing some very important components. Grid connection for new homes is very costly and must be included in...
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Lamar, In the Off Grid version of the Calculator, cell F-181 is the Monthly Connection Fee for electrical service. (In my area, there is no separate Monthly...
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LaMar: Just a thought, one of the things that Arthur stated was that for him, the numbers did not add up and that he set up the calculator for his situation. ...
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Thanks for looking at this rationally. By the way, the PV Cost calculator does include a place to input a Monthly Service fee, if your electric company charges...
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