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RE: [rest-discuss] Pros & Cons of Static URLs vs. URLs w/Query Params

Mark Baker wrote:
> On 1/9/07, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel@...> wrote:
> > However, the reason I was asking was because I was trying
> > to gather evidence to present to Ian Hickson to support adding
> > URI Template support to the action method of the form element
> > in Web Forms 2.0. I sent an email to uri@... to that
> > effect[1], but got to response.
>
> Though in theory that sounds like a great idea, it would
> break existing clients which is a non-starter when defining
> HTML extensions.

Excellent point! I hadn't considered that. Duh.

> You'd need a new parameter to get
> around that problem.

So by "parameter" do you mean attribute? For example, would this be
workable where newer browsers would use "template" instead of "action?"

<form method="get"
action="http://www.welldesignedurls.org/query">

template="http://www.welldesignedurls.org/{category}/{era}/">
<p>Where would you like to go?
<select name="category">
<option value="standards">Standards</option>
<option value="proposals">Proposals</option>
<option value="ideas">Ideas</option>
</select>/<select name="era">
<option value="past">Past</option>
<option value="present">Present</option>
<option value="future">Future</option>
</select>
<button type="submit">Go!</button>
</p>
</form>

--
-Mike Schinkel
http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/
http://www.welldesignedurls.org/
"It never ceases to amaze how many people will proactively debate away
attempts to make the web more usable..."






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... Though in theory that sounds like a great idea, it would break existing clients which is a non-starter when defining HTML extensions. You'd need a new...
Mark Baker
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... Excellent point! I hadn't considered that. Duh. ... So by "parameter" do you mean attribute? For example, would this be workable where newer browsers...
Mike Schinkel
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... Doh, yes. ... Yup. Mark. -- Mark Baker. Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. http://www.markbaker.ca Coactus; Web-inspired integration strategies...
Mark Baker
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... I understand how that should help search engines count how many references there are for calculating page rank, but could you elaborate how canonical URLs...
Bill Venners
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... Too hard to summarize. This might help explain it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale-free_network http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank Canonical URLs...
Roy T. Fielding
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... What are the tangible places that where having a single canoncial URL provides benefits? -- Search engine ranking -- Router and Proxy caches -- Anywhere...
Mike Schinkel
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... Think differently: The overall value of the graph of resources and links increases as hub value increases. It is not a technical or application question...
Jan Algermissen
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... Well, that answer effectively short circuits what I was trying to analyze. ... The research I am doing is telling me there are benefits to have multiple ...
Mike Schinkel
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Hi Mike, ... Could you elaborate on those "benefits to have multiple URL's"? I'm curious what they are. Thanks. Bill ... Bill Venners President Artima, Inc. ...
Bill Venners
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... I can give you one easy example, but the other I'm still researching and will require more background. I plan to cover them on the WDUI Blog[1] when I have...
Mike Schinkel
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... benefits to caching and search engine optimization too. Thanks in advance. Nice articles by Mark Nottingham: http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/ ...
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... This doc says: must-revalidate — tells caches that they must obey any freshness information you give them about a representation. HTTP allows caches to...
Bill Venners
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... Damn that's a lot to read!!! But seriously, thanks. :-) ... Interesting. I'm definitely going to check that out. Thanks. -- -Mike Schinkel ...
Mike Schinkel
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Hi Mike, ... I think I understand. Design is about making tradeoffs, and there are several of them here. First of all, as I think you've pointed out you could...
Bill Venners
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... Well, I want to explore why it is harder for search engines to find that page. And can we change that? Or consider the problem from a different ...
Mike Schinkel
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... This is simple. The search engine finds x pages which it deems equally good as a response to a given query. Which does it link to first? There's no way of...
Jon Hanna
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... You didn't answer "can we change that?" ... That is much like we are in a city planning meeting where I say "People need a bus to Harold's Cross" to which...
Mike Schinkel
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Mike, ... and ... It's not clear who reaps these "benefits". But I think you are trying to design a web in which clients learn you rules of hierarchy and then...
Walden Mathews
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Hi Walden, ... URIs are supposed to be opaque from the client program perspective, but may not be opaque from the client user perspective. People may use the...
Bill Venners
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... I'm starting to come to the conclusion that the resources I think are the same are actually different. Yes, they may have mostly the same content but they...
Mike Schinkel
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Hi Mike, ... That's a good point. Caching is valuable too from a usability perspective and a business one, because it will make the site seem faster to users....
Bill Venners
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... Fair points all. -- -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org/ "It never ceases to amaze how many people will...
Mike Schinkel
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Hello, ... You may also keep one URI for a page, display one set of possible breadcrumbs in that page representation, and for any other path the user takes,...
Laurian Gridinoc
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... Thanks. Since writing this I had thought of that as providing a better solution, but still not best. I believe that URL is part of the user interface so it...
Mike Schinkel
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Hi Laurian, ... I'm not sure this would work. I tried figuring out how to do give users customized versions of pages using JavaScript, as that approach was...
Bill Venners
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... Just because you navigated to a location circuitously doesn't mean you'd want to see that path reflected in your breadcrumbs. You probably want...
Hugh Winkler
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... To paraphrase Dan Connolly, I think you and I are on different planets. -- -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ ...
Mike Schinkel
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... My browser has a back button, so I'd rather use the "bread crumbs" from his planet than yours....
Jon Hanna
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... And I'm happy for you to do so. The different, however, is I'm not trying to keep you or Hugh from doing it your ways. ... I respectfully state that that...
Mike Schinkel
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... I don't disagree with either of those statements, but I don't understand what your point is either. Countering what I think about good UI design for...
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