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Re: [rest-discuss] Re: Sun proposes to apply Web service standardization principles to REST

Jérôme Louvel wrote:
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> Hi Bill,
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> You can apply for an Expert Group Nomination at:
> http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/egnom?id=311
> <http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/egnom?id=311>

Thanks Jérôme. I've just submitted a nomination request.

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Bill
Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:29 pm

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Hi Bill, You can apply for an Expert Group Nomination at: http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/egnom?id=311 Thanks, Jerome...
Jérôme Louvel
jerome.louvel
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4:07 pm

... Thanks Jérôme. I've just submitted a nomination request. cheers Bill...
Bill de hOra
bdehora
Offline Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
6:29 pm

... I just did the same. Stefan -- Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/...
Stefan Tilkov
stilkov
Offline Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
6:40 pm

Does anybody know how the expert groups work? Is there a public mailing list where non-expert-group-members can be heard, or does this all take place on some...
Chuck Hinson
chucking24
Online Now Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
8:48 pm

Last time I participated on one, it was all private. There's a public review period though....
Mark Baker
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Offline Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
9:05 pm

... This is starting to change. A few are operating in public like JSR 305: http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=305 Most are still private with limited public...
Elliotte Harold
elharo@...
Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
9:37 pm

... I hope that the discussion is public. I am a .NET developer, so a Java implementation is not of primary interest to me, but I would certainly be interested...
Alan Dean
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9:55 pm

... As did I. Pete...
Peter Lacey
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10:46 pm

... Which Roy and I have both pointed out (in effect) is an oxymoron... ... I like Marc a lot. We worked together at Sun, and he's just a very pleasant...
Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Offline Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
4:44 pm

... Does the Expert Group include anyone who has written such an API already? For example, Jetty has had something similar for years. Also, you are...
Robert Sayre
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3:29 am

... This does seem a bit negative. I'm not sure I like REST-toolkits either... but only because REST is not a protocol or a platform, it's just a style. But...
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Offline Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
4:30 pm

I've exchanged emails with Marc Hadley, collected some reactions and published a news item here: http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/02/jsr-311-java-rest-api Stefan...
Stefan Tilkov
stilkov
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6:33 pm

... Stefan, good overview, thanks. Also gives me some hope :-) I think the JSR provides a good opportunity to discuss REST principles in a...
Jan Algermissen
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7:53 am

I think there may be some missunderstandings about the direction of this JSR, I just posted a blog entry that aims to clarify a couple of points: ...
marc_hadley
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9:35 pm

Thanks, Marc. Good to get some light amidst the heat. :-) Importantly, it doesn't really seem like they (you?) are trying to "standardize REST", but merely...
Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
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9:52 pm

Marc, I already explained to Rajiv last November that I would not allow Sun to go forward with the REST name in the API. It doesn't make any sense to name one...
Roy T. Fielding
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... Roy, I think we may have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, when you discussed this with Rajiv last November you certainly didn't rule out any name with...
Marc Hadley
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12:42 am

... o Why not just have an interface with the well known verbs on? I know Java5 makes annotations possible, but it is not clear they are always appropriate....
Steve Loughran
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2:06 pm

Hi Steve, You raise some interesting points, detailed discussion of which really belong in the expert group once it is formed. For now I'll take a shot at some...
Marc Hadley
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3:38 pm

... We're still waiting to hear if everyone is welcome in the expert group forum or if it will be a closed discussion. I hope it's the former, but if it's the...
Elliotte Harold
elharo@...
Send Email 		Feb 15, 2007
4:10 pm

... I would suggest that a critical use case is being able to manage this from a web-based interface; e.g. like WordPress is configured. That may not be part...
Elliotte Harold
elharo@...
Send Email 		Feb 15, 2007
4:15 pm

... You know, I think I trust Marc et all to come up with something worthwhile and put it in the hands of a lot of developers. What worries me most about REST...
Paul Downey
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9:48 pm

... I am trying to tackle exactly this issue. I certainly agree that as a general statement, REST isn't testable as it is an architectural style ... however...
Alan Dean
alan_james_dean
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10:07 pm

... Oh! that's excellent. Just the sort of thing I was thinking of. Well done. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier...
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Offline Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
10:29 pm

... The reason you can't make REST testable is that REST isn't one thing. It's an architectural style. HTTP allows highly RESTfull systems. But an HTTP app can...
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Offline Send Email 		Feb 14, 2007
10:27 pm

... That's either going to happen or we become the smug Lisp weenies of distributed systems. The question is are the REST community (us) and software designers...
Bill de hOra
bdehora
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11:22 pm

... Hey. I'm a smug lisp weenie. ... Certainly there are better HTTP toolkits that need to be written. I was doing some openid hacking the other day with...
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
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11:39 pm

... Try this one: http://bitworking.org/projects/httplib2/ cheers Bill...
Bill de hOra
bdehora
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12:03 am

... Yeah... it's nice. But the fact that there are good frameworks out there wasn't my point. urllib2 comes with python, a language that supposedly gets the ...
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
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12:25 am

... What's wrong with it? (he asks after just making the decision to focus the vast majority of his next language learning time on python...) -- -Mike Schinkel...
Mike Schinkel
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