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Re: [rest-discuss] Re: Sun proposes to apply Web service standardization principles to REST

On Feb 14, 2007, at 7:29 PM, Bill de hOra wrote:
> Jérôme Louvel wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > You can apply for an Expert Group Nomination at:
> > http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/egnom?id=311
> > <http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/egnom?id=311>
>
> Thanks Jérôme. I've just submitted a nomination request.
>
> cheers
> Bill
>
>

I just did the same.

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... Thanks Jérôme. I've just submitted a nomination request. cheers Bill...	Bill de hOra bdehora	Feb 14, 2007 6:29 pm
... I just did the same. Stefan -- Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/...	Stefan Tilkov stilkov	Feb 14, 2007 6:40 pm
Does anybody know how the expert groups work? Is there a public mailing list where non-expert-group-members can be heard, or does this all take place on some...	Chuck Hinson chucking24	Feb 14, 2007 8:48 pm
Last time I participated on one, it was all private. There's a public review period though....	Mark Baker gonga_thrash	Feb 14, 2007 9:05 pm
... This is starting to change. A few are operating in public like JSR 305: http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=305 Most are still private with limited public...	Elliotte Harold elharo@...	Feb 14, 2007 9:37 pm
... I hope that the discussion is public. I am a .NET developer, so a Java implementation is not of primary interest to me, but I would certainly be interested...	Alan Dean alan_james_dean	Feb 14, 2007 9:55 pm
... As did I. Pete...	Peter Lacey pete.lacey	Feb 14, 2007 10:46 pm
... Which Roy and I have both pointed out (in effect) is an oxymoron... ... I like Marc a lot. We worked together at Sun, and he's just a very pleasant...	Mark Baker gonga_thrash	Feb 14, 2007 4:44 pm
... Does the Expert Group include anyone who has written such an API already? For example, Jetty has had something similar for years. Also, you are...	Robert Sayre robertsayre2000	Feb 15, 2007 3:29 am
... This does seem a bit negative. I'm not sure I like REST-toolkits either... but only because REST is not a protocol or a platform, it's just a style. But...	Nic James Ferrier nferrier_tap...	Feb 14, 2007 4:30 pm
I've exchanged emails with Marc Hadley, collected some reactions and published a news item here: http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/02/jsr-311-java-rest-api Stefan...	Stefan Tilkov stilkov	Feb 14, 2007 6:33 pm
... Stefan, good overview, thanks. Also gives me some hope :-) I think the JSR provides a good opportunity to discuss REST principles in a...	Jan Algermissen algermissen1971	Feb 15, 2007 7:53 am
I think there may be some missunderstandings about the direction of this JSR, I just posted a blog entry that aims to clarify a couple of points: ...	marc_hadley	Feb 14, 2007 9:35 pm
Thanks, Marc. Good to get some light amidst the heat. :-) Importantly, it doesn't really seem like they (you?) are trying to "standardize REST", but merely...	Dr. Ernie Prabhakar sandhyaprabh...	Feb 14, 2007 9:52 pm
Marc, I already explained to Rajiv last November that I would not allow Sun to go forward with the REST name in the API. It doesn't make any sense to name one...	Roy T. Fielding roy_fielding	Feb 14, 2007 11:44 pm
... Roy, I think we may have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, when you discussed this with Rajiv last November you certainly didn't rule out any name with...	Marc Hadley marc_hadley	Feb 15, 2007 12:42 am
... o Why not just have an interface with the well known verbs on? I know Java5 makes annotations possible, but it is not clear they are always appropriate....	Steve Loughran steve_loughran	Feb 15, 2007 2:06 pm
Hi Steve, You raise some interesting points, detailed discussion of which really belong in the expert group once it is formed. For now I'll take a shot at some...	Marc Hadley marc_hadley	Feb 15, 2007 3:38 pm
... We're still waiting to hear if everyone is welcome in the expert group forum or if it will be a closed discussion. I hope it's the former, but if it's the...	Elliotte Harold elharo@...	Feb 15, 2007 4:10 pm
... I would suggest that a critical use case is being able to manage this from a web-based interface; e.g. like WordPress is configured. That may not be part...	Elliotte Harold elharo@...	Feb 15, 2007 4:15 pm
... You know, I think I trust Marc et all to come up with something worthwhile and put it in the hands of a lot of developers. What worries me most about REST...	Paul Downey sumnerdowney	Feb 14, 2007 9:48 pm
... I am trying to tackle exactly this issue. I certainly agree that as a general statement, REST isn't testable as it is an architectural style ... however...	Alan Dean alan_james_dean	Feb 14, 2007 10:07 pm
... Oh! that's excellent. Just the sort of thing I was thinking of. Well done. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier...	Nic James Ferrier nferrier_tap...	Feb 14, 2007 10:29 pm
... The reason you can't make REST testable is that REST isn't one thing. It's an architectural style. HTTP allows highly RESTfull systems. But an HTTP app can...	Nic James Ferrier nferrier_tap...	Feb 14, 2007 10:27 pm
... That's either going to happen or we become the smug Lisp weenies of distributed systems. The question is are the REST community (us) and software designers...	Bill de hOra bdehora	Feb 14, 2007 11:22 pm
... Hey. I'm a smug lisp weenie. ... Certainly there are better HTTP toolkits that need to be written. I was doing some openid hacking the other day with...	Nic James Ferrier nferrier_tap...	Feb 14, 2007 11:39 pm
... Try this one: http://bitworking.org/projects/httplib2/ cheers Bill...	Bill de hOra bdehora	Feb 15, 2007 12:03 am
... Yeah... it's nice. But the fact that there are good frameworks out there wasn't my point. urllib2 comes with python, a language that supposedly gets the ...	Nic James Ferrier nferrier_tap...	Feb 15, 2007 12:25 am
... What's wrong with it? (he asks after just making the decision to focus the vast majority of his next language learning time on python...) -- -Mike Schinkel...	Mike Schinkel mikeschinkel	Feb 15, 2007 5:46 am
... It's very complex and not as configurable as it should be. I have been doing something interesting with SSL lately and was using Python. Python's default...	Nic James Ferrier nferrier_tap...	Feb 15, 2007 10:27 am

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