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hAtomPub Re: Interface definition languages and service registries for REST services

Hi Mike,

On Aug 10, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
One thing I dislike about AtomPub, and I know I'm probably in the minority
here, is it requires special tools to interact with vs. just having a
browser, and it requires web services be created in addition to web pages.
I'd really advocate for exposing webservices as a default case via semantic
HTML instead of AtomPub though AtomPub could be the default second case in
"the world according to Mike."

I would love to see someone define/build a hAtom version of AtomPub, that worked in standard web browsers:


Any takers? :-)

-- Ernie P.
Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:54 pm

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Hi, I'm fairly new to all things REST (and Web Services in general), but I do have some questions for you. Namely: - What do you think of the idea of having an... 		Olivier Pernet
dodger2051
Offline Send Email 		Aug 3, 2007
2:17 am

... It'd be nice to have the ideas of HTML forms influence software-to-software HTTP-based-API design. The idea that if instead of hard-coding the ...
Josh Sled
joshsled
Offline Send Email 		Aug 3, 2007
2:49 am

... Forms indeed are a key piece that needs to be looked at. I have found it inspiring to think of forms as questions available for the user agent to answer....
Story Henry
hjsatdoc
Offline Send Email 		Aug 3, 2007
8:25 am

Hi Henry, ... Thanks! I've added it to my REST Service Descriptions page: http://microformats.org/wiki/rest/description#Proposals.2FExamples Best, -- Ernie P....
Ernest Prabhakar
sandhyaprabh...
Offline Send Email 		Aug 3, 2007
4:27 pm

... Now that sound good. It's still an IDL isn't it ? It's just distributed directly by the service provider and is not exportable. But this and WADL are...
Olivier Pernet
dodger2051
Offline Send Email 		Aug 3, 2007
9:24 am

... Somewhat. AIUI, WADL is still a development-/compile-time description. Once you've written software to the described API, you're tightly coupled to that ...
Josh Sled
joshsled
Offline Send Email 		Aug 3, 2007
2:03 pm

... http://bitworking.org/news/193/Do-we-need-WADL ... We have one failed approach (with UDDI) already; not sure why we'd need another one. For enterprisey...
Stefan Tilkov
stilkov
Offline Send Email 		Aug 3, 2007
8:06 am

... Well, this makes a case against WADL, based on - experience with WSDL showing that people will want to generate code from it - the fact that current schema...
Olivier Pernet
dodger2051
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9:40 am

... Olivier, 1. signature!=interface. The original definition by D.L. Parnas defined interface as signature+semantics. In the absence of a formal language to...
Steve Loughran
steve_loughran
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10:26 am

Steve Loughran ... Agreed, as implemented. ... Doesn't that just push the problem elsewhere? Now we have atom being used for lots of different things with the...
Mike Schinkel
mikeschinkel
Offline Send Email 		Aug 8, 2007
1:28 am

... But you have added a simple constraint. "use APP" -- Nic Ferrier http://prooveme.com - easy, simple, certificated OpenID...
Nic
nferrier_tap...
Offline Send Email 		Aug 8, 2007
2:09 am

... I don't follow your point... -- -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org http://atlanta-web.org -...
Mike Schinkel
mikeschinkel
Offline Send Email 		Aug 8, 2007
2:35 am

... If Atompub is a close enough match to your problem domain, then that part of the confusion gets resolved; the *rest* is pushed up the stack, but it’s a...
A. Pagaltzis
a22pag
Offline Send Email 		Aug 10, 2007
2:50 am

... Oh, I concur that AtomPub is useful in many contexts but, as you imply, not all. Advocating it to be only solution needed is shortsighted, IMO. Don't you...
Mike Schinkel
mikeschinkel
Offline Send Email 		Aug 10, 2007
6:04 pm

... With a caveat; namely that I think Atompub is applicable to many more contexts than people might realise. So I think it worthwhile to tell them to try it...
'A. Pagaltzis'
a22pag
Offline Send Email 		Aug 11, 2007
1:54 am

... And in the case where it is a good fit, there is then a need to again define the interacts for each use-case (beyond the nomimal case of "publish.") One...
Mike Schinkel
mikeschinkel
Offline Send Email 		Aug 11, 2007
3:24 am

... Sure, but they’ll have to define those anyway. Atompub just takes care of predefining the lower-level machinery so it doesn’t have to be reinvented...
'A. Pagaltzis'
a22pag
Offline Send Email 		Aug 11, 2007
8:30 am

... Of course, but there are still many things in the use-case domain AtomPub doesn't address so we end up having to deal with those. Hence back to the same...
Mike Schinkel
mikeschinkel
Offline Send Email 		Aug 11, 2007
6:58 pm

... No, not the *same* problem – just the *application-specific* part of the problem. The common parts of the problem are factored out to Atompub. But...
'A. Pagaltzis'
a22pag
Offline Send Email 		Aug 12, 2007
11:28 pm

... Sigh. I agree with your points here, but I can't seem to get you to understand mine. Maybe I'm just too tired and we'll just have to leave my points for...
Mike Schinkel
mikeschinkel
Offline Send Email 		Aug 13, 2007
3:37 am

Hi Mike, ... I would love to see someone define/build a hAtom version of AtomPub, that worked in standard web browsers: http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom Any...
Ernest Prabhakar
sandhyaprabh...
Offline Send Email 		Aug 11, 2007
4:55 pm

... I'm wondering if hAtom would be the simplest thing that could possibly work. Do we really need to burden the client with the ceremonial stuffing of the...
Assaf Arkin
assafarkin
Offline Send Email 		Aug 12, 2007
2:22 am

Hi Olivier, ... I think there is a conflation of ideas here. My most widely cited weblog entry (that started life as a post on this list) goes into this: ...
A. Pagaltzis
a22pag
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