Hi guys, I was just wondering if something I thought was the most correct way to handle ESI in a RESTful way. I'm just to represent some resources as webpages,...
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Mike Kelly
pleb1985
Feb 21, 2011 11:30 am
Hi Alessandro, I think that's a decent idea, I've been mulling over this for a while.. By doing this you are increasing the visibility of the responses which...
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Alessandro Nadalin
alessandro.n...
Feb 21, 2011 12:05 pm
Hi Mike, ... yes ... right ... Thanks, great hints. I should have thought about a mixed html/esi type. ... You mean writing a DTD, or something similar? Is...
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Mike Kelly
pleb1985
Feb 21, 2011 12:46 pm
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Alessandro Nadalin ... I meant standardize/specify: - The media type identifiers for documents that contain ESI stuff (i.e....
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Alessandro Nadalin
alessandro.n...
Feb 21, 2011 1:46 pm
... mmm ok, I gotta confess I'm a bit lost here, my fault. Did you mean writing a draft like http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/? Or a DTD? Both? Just forgive my...
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mike amundsen
mamund
Feb 21, 2011 2:39 pm
Alessandro: FWIW, here's the pattern I have been following in cases where I design new media types: - create a basic design - use it in local implementations,...
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Alessandro Nadalin
alessandro.n...
Feb 21, 2011 5:21 pm
... Thank you so much mike, you clarified a lot of doubts I had. ... -- Nadalin Alessandro www.odino.org www.twitter.com/_odino_...
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mike amundsen
mamund
Feb 21, 2011 6:06 pm
glad it helps. I forgot to include a ref link to the RFC process for registering a media-type in the standard tree. It is: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288 ...
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Alessandro Nadalin
alessandro.n...
Feb 22, 2011 2:05 pm
... Just a question: why using a profile attribute over there? I don't understand it very well. What does the profile let you do? I' formalizinf some stuff...
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Jo Størset
jostorset
Feb 22, 2011 2:32 pm
Hi, I seem to keep finding myself in a position where I find it difficult to choose the "right" level of restful-ness and granularity, and how to represent...
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Mike Kelly
pleb1985
Feb 22, 2011 2:57 pm
If you served application/vnd.xhesiml+xhtml to a browser then the browser won't render it and will display a download prompt instead, so the reason I used a...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Feb 22, 2011 8:01 pm
... Well, first, the profile parameter must be defined for the media type in question -- which it isn't for text/html. Perhaps Mike meant ...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Feb 22, 2011 8:04 pm
Further, no media type ends in '+xhtml' or '+html'. If your media type may be processed via XML as a fallback for those components which don't understand your...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Feb 22, 2011 10:18 pm
... Any ideas on what to call the opposite of this award? I have a first recipient in mind; I'll be spending some time this weekend checking out their...
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Alessandro Nadalin
alessandro.n...
Feb 23, 2011 12:08 am
... Is there a way I can find a sum up of this stuff? Thank you so much Eric, definitely great advices. ... -- Nadalin Alessandro www.odino.org ...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Feb 23, 2011 12:46 am
... Summary? No. The relevant RFCs explain the syntax, but knowing that RFC 3023 is currently the only definition of any suffix (+xml) is just something one...
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Subbu Allamaraju
sallamar
Feb 23, 2011 4:47 am
Yes, it is the right thing to do. If ESI ever gets revved up (copying to Mark, who I think is interested based on some work we did internally), specifying a...
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Stuart Charlton
stuartcharlton
Feb 23, 2011 5:03 am
An idea that's been needling in my head for a while, just want to float it out there. This likely has been discussed before and I've just missed the thread. ...
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Stuart Charlton
stuartcharlton
Feb 23, 2011 5:06 am
gah, a typo "Steps 1 - 3 are "design time", steps 4-5 are "runtime" in the traditional sense of the term;" should read "Steps 1 - 4 are "design time", steps...
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Jo Størset
jostorset
Feb 23, 2011 5:24 am
Sorry, this was sent a bit early, and I see it's hardly read worthy as it is. SInce it got sent in the first place, let me add a tl;dr version (so you can at...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Feb 23, 2011 6:09 am
... Ad-hominem insinuations against those who teach about architectural constraints you fail to understand, helps others learn REST, how? If the value of your...
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Mike Kelly
pleb1985
Feb 23, 2011 10:00 am
... Yes, you got me. These cunning insinuations were designed to deliberately and sinisterly mislead the poor helpless reader. I apologise profusely to...
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wahbedahbe
Feb 23, 2011 3:49 pm
... <snip> ... Stu, The amount of runtime flexibility depends on the hypermedia controls that are available. For example, if there were no links or forms in...
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Mike Kelly
pleb1985
Feb 23, 2011 4:11 pm
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Stuart Charlton ... Do you mean RESTful applications consumed by automated clients? If so, +1 I think it's a key consideration...
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Stuart Charlton
stuartcharlton
Feb 23, 2011 8:59 pm
Comments inline ... Yes that's what I meant. ... Right; the media type itself needs to provide guidance on expectations of how it will be used. For example, I...
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mike amundsen
mamund
Feb 23, 2011 9:56 pm
Stu: the idea of using RFC 5829 is interesting. on a similar track, iv'e been toying w/ using the RFC 2119 words (MUST, MAY, etc.) as a way to decorate...
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Stuart Charlton
stuartcharlton
Feb 24, 2011 2:10 am
comments inline ... Yes, I agree. ... Well, the question is, should domain-specific data be tightly coupled to a generic media type or not. Let's assume a...
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Stuart Charlton
stuartcharlton
Feb 24, 2011 2:17 am
comments inline ... Yeah, I mean why not, right? I know it was designed for content management, but representations that include forms really could use...
