... Daniel> Hi, I've been reading a lot about how to do "proper" REST Daniel> this week and the more I read, the more I'm lost, Daniel> especially the HATEOAS...
... This is serious mis-information, Berend. The intention behind using the REST architectural style is to create systems that have a well determined set of...
... Don't worry - it was the same for me. It takes your whole mind to shift. Mostly, dumping off OO-brain damage :-) ... Yes, just like a browser works. ... ...
Sometimes, we can go on and develop a client solution using web apps, but sometime there is no way out and we need to do a native application. I read some...
I agree that Berend is wrong to suggest not worrying about HATEOAS. It's very powerful if you can finally get your head around it. However, I don't agree...
... Jan - let's not do this to REST. It is a constraint-driven development of software architecture for networked apps. There are many many ways to get certain...
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Jul 28, 2011 6:36 pm
... My usual caveats still apply -- this isn't quite REST, because intermediaries won't understand the media type (which should be registered as...
Are there any intermediaries that really care about specific media types? If so, it must be the devil's own work trying to keep them up to date as the set of...
... Because it's a media type that provides a graphical user interface for humans. It carries a lot of unnecessary baggage and under-delivers as a machine...
No offense, sincerely, but I disagree. HTML is a content-type meant to be rendered by a web browser and its semantics are of (almost) no use for any ...
... Subbu - I am not saying that not doing REST is a bad thing, but REST is (and surely you know that) defined as a set of constraints. And it is exactly these...
... english, but I would not send a wav file either. Even more, using mime-type is necessary because we are using HTTP as our protocol This is badly worded, a...
The only significant intermediary processable content is html + ESI... which doesn't even have a media type identifier. It probably should though, I mentioned...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 7:26 pm
... I take the view that there's no way to know; therefore, I make it as easy as possible for such intermediaries to evolve by not precluding their use. Did...
... I don't necessarily buy such a classification for several reasons. It may be good as a learning aid, but no more. In fact, meeting certain qualities takes...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 7:29 pm
... Ummm, images? Many ISP-targeted Web accelerator products will muck about with ubiquitous image types, i.e. will compare the displayed size with the raw...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 7:34 pm
... XForms is easily machine-driven, provided the machine user can be made to understand the markup, which is possible via annotation with RDFa or microdata;...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 7:45 pm
... Disagree. I see REST as the long-term goal of an evolving system, an ideal against which to measure development. If REST mismatches are ignored, what...
... Fair enough. ... There is no pretension. There are folks who are blindly looking at these classifications trying to comply without understanding why they...
... Right, that is a lot of baggage just to cover the basic hypertext requirements of most machine applications. Generally, people want to make adoption of...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 9:53 pm
... I've found the semantics of HTML quite useful in a variety of contexts; for example, <ul> and <ol> are universally understood methods of presenting lists...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 9:59 pm
... While overlooking the fact that REST considers intermediaries to be consumers, too, not just user-agents. I agree, more work needs to be done on...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 10:03 pm
... Pretty much anything can be a hypertext type, consider a .wav served with Link headers. XML is also hypertext, provided the linking is XInclude or...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 11:04 pm
... I have a sneaking hunch that a framework could be created for either, which could parse existing web pages (or widgets) and create nifty apps out of them,...
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Eric J. Bowman
eric@...
Jul 28, 2011 11:17 pm
... REST's uniform interface constraints aren't meant as classification tools. My take on REST comes more from Chapter 6, e.g. "REST... capture[s] all of...
Well, everything is possible, really, but this would essentially be reinventing the browser. Performance-wise, it would probably be dog-slow without...
