... That would be a bad choice; for instance because it's incompatible with existing use of profile URIs. Best regards, Julian...
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Erik Wilde
drethoo
Mar 6, 2012 8:38 pm
hello erlend. ... thanks for the feedback, updated for -01. cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:dret@... - tel:+1-510-2061079 |...
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Markus Lanthaler
mark_lanthaler
Mar 7, 2012 10:44 am
Hi Erik, ... Great. Would be interested in hearing more about it :-) ... Fully agree and that's what I meant by make it clear in the I-D. As I've seen, you did...
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Glenn Block
glenn_block
Mar 7, 2012 6:10 pm
HI all One topic that keeps coming up in my recent conversations is about the scope of REST and whether it applies both to client and server i.e. is the ...
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mike amundsen
mamund
Mar 7, 2012 7:27 pm
<snip> If I have no clients actively consuming me can I say the application is RESTful? i.e. is the RESTfulness determined by the server. </snip> If you create...
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Erik Wilde
drethoo
Mar 7, 2012 10:23 pm
hello. ... well said. as illustration, imagine the many ways in which browsers can be broken and sometimes are. such as not making @src links on q/blockquote...
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Glenn Block
glenn_block
Mar 7, 2012 10:29 pm
What about the counter view that each client and server combo is the 'application' Sent from my Windows Phone From: Erik Wilde Sent: 3/7/2012 2:23 PM To: mike...
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mike amundsen
mamund
Mar 7, 2012 10:37 pm
... first, i'm not sure that is a "counter view" of what i said. IOW, how does this run "counter" to my POV? second, the term "application" can be applied lots...
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Erik Wilde
drethoo
Mar 8, 2012 6:26 am
hello markus. ... nothing fixed yet, but essentially a profile description should define how it is specializing a media type, so we may create some (fairly ...
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Mike Kelly
mikekelly876...
Mar 8, 2012 12:41 pm
... Ok so let's move away from 'application' and talk about a 'system'.. client behaviour has a direct impact on the nature of interactions in your system and...
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Markus Lanthaler
mark_lanthaler
Mar 8, 2012 3:21 pm
... Unfortunately I'm not aware of any. Haven't seen profile being used in practice so far. Cheers, Markus -- Markus Lanthaler @markuslanthaler...
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William Martinez Poma...
willmarpo
Mar 8, 2012 3:51 pm
Hi Mike, Mike and Glenn. This is my humble take: 1. Application is far more that just a component. My definition includes business goals and the like, so I...
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Will Hartung
gaminginparis
Mar 8, 2012 4:06 pm
As Mike says, and part of generic matra REST for me is that a bad client does not invalidate a good REST design. By the nature of REST, many of the aspects of...
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Glenn Block
glenn_block
Mar 8, 2012 4:31 pm
If you have an open application that many 3rd parties consume, you don't really have control to enforce how they use the system. It is not just a question of...
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Mike Kelly
mikekelly876...
Mar 8, 2012 4:33 pm
... No, the server has just as much to gain from hypertext, as it will have a direct impact on how it is able to improve/adjust/evolve its application. Cheers,...
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Mike Kelly
mikekelly876...
Mar 8, 2012 4:36 pm
There are strategies you can use within a system that mitigate the risk of poor client consumption. For example; your testing and/or sandbox environment can...
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Glenn Block
glenn_block
Mar 8, 2012 4:38 pm
Definitely. It frees it from being constrained by the client. Sent from my Windows Phone ... From: Mike Kelly Sent: 3/8/2012 8:33 AM To: Will Hartung Cc:...
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Glenn Block
glenn_block
Mar 8, 2012 4:40 pm
That's a good point. One of our internal teams is doing that on a very large publically consumed api. Sent from my Windows Phone ... From: Mike Kelly Sent:...
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Juan Lanus
juanmlanus
Mar 8, 2012 4:46 pm
Hi Mikes & All, IMHO the RESTfulness is a property of the published services and, as it was already said, it can't be affected by the clients. On the other...
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Will Hartung
gaminginparis
Mar 8, 2012 4:46 pm
... The parts that suffer from server change are the clients. Clearly, the server is better utilized when clients perform properly, and clearly, when the...
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Julian Reschke
julian.reschke@...
Mar 8, 2012 4:59 pm
... hcard. dc-html... They are even produced by rfc2629.xslt when you format your Internet Draft :-)...
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William Martinez Poma...
willmarpo
Mar 8, 2012 7:15 pm
Will, I completely agree with your thoughts about the client and the validation of the REST design, at least of what I understand. My point a subtlety...
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Glenn Block
glenn_block
Mar 8, 2012 7:38 pm
Thanks William I agree with everything you said. The true benefits of REST are only realized if both client and server understand the constraints. However the ...
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mike amundsen
mamund
Mar 8, 2012 7:52 pm
<snip> My point in all of this was to reach a better understanding of where the RESTFulness of a system is defined / exhibited and what defines the boundaries...
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William Martinez Poma...
willmarpo
Mar 8, 2012 8:29 pm
Hey, Mike. You just multiplied the exponent of the complexity by 2. A system is a set of components. An architectural style defines the structure, roles and...
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Steve Klabnik
steve@...
Mar 8, 2012 10:36 pm
... Transfer (REST) architectural style for distributed hypermedia systems, describing the software engineering principles guiding REST and the **interaction...
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Erik Wilde
drethoo
Mar 9, 2012 6:06 am
hello julian. ... http://dret.net/netdret/docs/draft-wilde-profile-link-00.html doesn't have that, but maybe that's because i produced it at the xml2rfc site ...
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Julian Reschke
julian.reschke@...
Mar 9, 2012 8:03 am
... Yes. xml2rfc is a different impl that generates different HTML. ... Best regards, Julian...
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developerbob
Mar 9, 2012 1:28 pm
I am working on a project that is attempting to implement a RESTful service layer (including HATEOAS) for a customer facing web application/portal (followed by...
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William Martinez Poma...
willmarpo
Mar 9, 2012 4:17 pm
Good points! But then we are talking about REST constrains to achieve REST goals, in an architecture. That is true. But REST does not say you can't build...
