... It's nonsense I'm affraid. Lots of REST applications are built with simple XML; many examples are with simple XML; lots of other apps are with twisted or...
6583
Jan Algermissen
algermissen1971
Oct 1, 2006 8:54 am
... In the interview Mark does differentiate between a completely open system (where messages types *must* be standardized) and intra- organisational scenarios...
6584
Jan Algermissen
algermissen1971
Oct 1, 2006 8:55 am
... I wonder if we shouldn't then have a new 'family' of media types, e.g. '+xhtml' so clients can dispatch correctly or use the fall-back if the compound type...
6585
Jan Algermissen
algermissen1971
Oct 1, 2006 9:02 am
... Hmm...no, Mark is completely right about that. Message self- descriptiveness is an architectural constraint of REST and thus, if your messages are not ...
6586
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Oct 1, 2006 11:24 am
... I strongly disagree with this assertion. I don't have a link to Mark's article where he makes a claim that "self-descriptive" means "standardized" so I...
6587
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Oct 1, 2006 11:33 am
... How would that describe an entity containing the calendars of a group? Such an entity would be marked up with hcard and hcal uformats. I really don't see...
6588
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Oct 1, 2006 12:11 pm
... That bit sounds a bit grumpy. I just mean that REST is a home for fugitives from SOAP/WSDL where specification has taken over all reason. On of the reasons...
6589
Jan Algermissen
algermissen1971
Oct 1, 2006 1:20 pm
... Here is the quote: "InfoQ: So to be clear about this - does this mean that if I want to develop a RESTful application, I can only use standardized message ...
6590
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Oct 1, 2006 2:30 pm
... Here's an entity: <document> <item> <link>http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk/index.html</link> <description>tapsell-ferrier's homepage with information about...
6591
Jan Algermissen
algermissen1971
Oct 1, 2006 2:54 pm
... That is exactly the problem: without the media type, I have absolutely no idea what it means Jan...
6592
Bob Haugen
bob.haugen@...
Oct 1, 2006 3:35 pm
... So, Mark, does that mean you have given up on RDF Forms? http://www.markbaker.ca/2003/05/RDF-Forms/ And is a message sufficiently self-descriptive if it...
6593
Benjamin Carlyle
fuzzybsc
Oct 1, 2006 9:56 pm
... Well, standard and standardised are two different words. REST constrains content types to be standard. Approximately, understood by everyone who would want...
6594
Roy T. Fielding
roy_fielding
Oct 1, 2006 10:10 pm
... Well, so do I. Self-descriptive means that the type is registered and the registry points to a specification and the specification explains how to process...
6595
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Oct 1, 2006 10:49 pm
... Thanks for this clarification. One point about this is that you can use a registered type such as application/xml but that doesn't really specify anything...
6596
Roy T. Fielding
roy_fielding
Oct 1, 2006 11:43 pm
... Right, I would not use "application/xml" for anything useful. The argument that people can look inside at the root element died a long time ago (shortly...
6597
Elliotte Harold
elharo@...
Oct 2, 2006 11:11 am
... Would that that were true. Fact is, most (all?) existing web browsers implement only about half of what's necessary for a full REST implementation: GET and...
6598
Elliotte Harold
elharo@...
Oct 2, 2006 11:22 am
... Data doesn't have intent. Producers may have intent and consumers may have intent, but those are by no means the same thing. There's certainly no intent in...
6599
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Oct 2, 2006 11:57 am
... Before I had heard of REST I had written RESTfull-like systems with SQL stored procs. All data access is wrapped through get procs which either return ...
6600
Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Oct 2, 2006 3:42 pm
... Ok, which one is it? 8-) "REST enables intermediate processing by constraining messages to be self-descriptive: interaction is stateless between requests,...
6601
Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Oct 2, 2006 4:14 pm
... Nope! That reuses RDF/XML, which has a standard media type (application/rdf+xml). And by Roy's most recent definition, it is self-descriptive because you...
6602
Lucas Gonze
lucas_gonze
Oct 2, 2006 4:17 pm
So what does "standard"; mean again? Can you be specific about which set of bureaucrats I have to tithe to before my messages can be self-descriptive?...
6603
Bob Haugen
bob.haugen@...
Oct 2, 2006 4:33 pm
... Why not? What diff does it make if the form came from the form processing resource or was (for example) a standard invoice form, as long as both client...
6604
Mark Baker
gonga_thrash
Oct 2, 2006 4:45 pm
... I guess I don't understand what you're asking. A standard invoice form could be used, of course, as long as it had a media type. ... If I understand you,...
6605
Bob Haugen
bob.haugen@...
Oct 2, 2006 5:21 pm
... I sorta assumed that getting a media type adopted wd be more difficult than a form. So the combination of a media type and a form (which form cd just go by...
6606
Benjamin Carlyle
fuzzybsc
Oct 2, 2006 8:46 pm
Nic, ... I think what REST provides is an information layer that sits on top of object-orientation, but also on top of relational data models. Just as ...
6607
Benjamin Carlyle
fuzzybsc
Oct 2, 2006 9:03 pm
... Web browsers don't support the minimum methods[1] because the forms standards don't permit them to. This is a fault of the forms standards that needs to be...
6608
Benjamin Carlyle
fuzzybsc
Oct 2, 2006 9:13 pm
... I don't think we can successfully negotiate between different microformatted documents, and even identifying whether a particular html document is...
6609
Nic James Ferrier
nferrier_tap...
Oct 2, 2006 9:19 pm
... Note that I am not talking about the relational model. I am talking about the common architectural practice of writing RESTfull stored procs on top of the...
6610
Jan Algermissen
algermissen1971
Oct 2, 2006 9:27 pm
Benjamin, ... That is an excellent observation and comparision! 100% agreed. ... As long as one can usefully implement client software that has built-in ...
6611
Benjamin Carlyle
fuzzybsc
Oct 2, 2006 9:36 pm
... At the moment I don't think there is strong evidence that RDF Schema or OWL form useful descriptions of the semantics their corresponding documents convey....
