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Sort of a joke question, but is DELETE ReSTful? If REST is about 'state transfer' and GET/PUT/POST transfer state, what does DELETE do?...
S. Mike Dierken
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What do people think of this syntax/pseudo-code for describing http operations? // get content = server.resource("someURI"); // put server.resource("someURI")...
S. Mike Dierken
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... It's a convenient shortcut for the null PUT. ;-) (Only half kidding...) jb...
Jeff Bone
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... From: "Jeff Bone" <jbone@...> ... Yeah, I thought of that, but HTTP supports a resource with no content so 'PUT null' is separate from DELETE. ...
S. Mike Dierken
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I agree with GET and PUT, but not POST. How about instead: content = server.resource("someURI") << content; Since POST can get content back, that's why I...
Seairth Jacobs
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Sep 4, 2002
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... From: "Seairth Jacobs" <seairth@...> ... Also, ... "<<"). ... Brilliant!...
S. Mike Dierken
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It also highlights the phenomenon of trying to extract all the meaning behind "Representational State Transfer" from just those three words, something more...
Mathews, Walden
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Sep 5, 2002
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Oh yes and by the way, REST is an architectural style, not an architecture, so RESTafarians are not really *web developers*, they're more like *web stylists*...
Mathews, Walden
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... From: "Mathews, Walden" <waldenm@...> ... Yes - like how SQL can do an 'update' even though 'Q=query' implies read-only operations......
S. Mike Dierken
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... Could you please outline why you feel that distributed containment is som important? You seem to put a much stronger emphasis on this than does Roy's...
Paul Prescod
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Sep 23, 2002
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Mark, Could you please point me (again) to your RDF document in which you begin to formalize the concepts of your "Abstract Model for HTTP Resource State"...
Mathews, Walden
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Sep 25, 2002
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... http://www.markbaker.ca/2002/03/RestRDF/ ... Sounds good. The model is incomplete there, plus has some glaring errors that I haven't fixed. Talk to me...
Mark Baker
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Sep 25, 2002
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... POST "means" "post" in all cases, but that's an uninteresting level of abstraction. The full meaning has to take into account the full impact on the...
Mathews, Walden
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I'm heading down to Florida this weekend, so I went to weather.com to check out the situation. After submitting a zip code in a form on the weather.com ...
Phil Eskelin
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Sep 25, 2002
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[I've move this over here to rest-explore (and tried to cobble together some of the relevant messages below)] This issue seems to have died on the vine. Did...
Jeffrey Winter
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Sep 25, 2002
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Can someone please give an example of a resource that on one POST invocation acts as a "processor" and on another acts as a state-preserving container? And how...
Lee Fife
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Sep 25, 2002
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(moved to rest-explore) I think this is a corrolary of Roy's PUT/DELETE comment. Remember, PUT isn't defined to be the generic "state setter" that we...
Mark Baker
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OK, so that brings me back to my original question. How should one deal w/ the "smart" image situation? Assume a resource that returns SVG, JPG, PNG in...
Lee Fife
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... You would need to use multiple URIs to represent the different content types: PUT /some-resource.svg PUT /some-resource.jpg PUT /some-resource.png But you...
Jeffrey Winter
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... Hopefully Content-Location discloses the URI of the SVG representation. Do a PUT on that. ... I don't know the early history of PUT, but I imagine that it...
Mark Baker
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... Ok, sure. I was contemplating how to tie in StatePreservingContainer to a 201 response, but never did anything. Any thoughts on that? ... Unless the...
Mark Baker
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... Can't think of one off the top of my head. ... How about a resource which is both a StatePreservingContainer and an EternityArchiver? That would make more...
Mark Baker
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Sep 25, 2002
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... Yes. ... SOAPAction! What the... I thought we were trying to model REST, or at least HTTP. Nobody said anything about SOAP. I'm gonna quit this job. ...
Mathews, Walden
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... Ok, so let's call it "Action", and use it with RFC 2774 such that it's mandatory. I've said it many times, SOAP - the spec, not how people use it - adds ...
Mark Baker
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OK, I've (re-)read the uri threads again, checked back against the http spec, and still have some questions. Help understanding would be appreciated. First,...
Lee Fife
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... From: "Mark Baker" <distobj@...> ... invocation acts as a "processor" and on another acts as a state-preserving container? And how the resource would...
Lee Fife
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... I didn't see that claim being made. ... I don't disagree. One of my biggest frustrations has been that I feel like the only way for me to really...
Chuck Hinson
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Sep 27, 2002
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... Right. He just says you don't want PUT if you want multiple representations, because after a PUT there can be only one. That's not a REST or HTTP...
Mathews, Walden
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Sep 27, 2002
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That sounds different than what I was explaining, because in my scenario the user was explicitly requesting that the message be permanently archived. ... -- ...
Mark Baker
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